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>> Hello and thank you for
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joining us on It Is Written
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Canada.
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Today we are visiting
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Professor Pekka Määtänen who
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is an assistant professor of
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biology at Burman University
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in Lacombe, Alberta.
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And as a professor of biology,
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his hope is to ignite within
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his students a love for
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science that can propel them
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to push the boundaries of
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discovery and develop
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innovative ways to promote
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health and healing.
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>> Professor Määtänen has
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presented his scientific work
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at international and national
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science conferences.
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Professor Määtänen, welcome to
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It Is Written Canada.
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>> Thanks so much for having
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me, it's a pleasure to be here
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with you.
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>> So, Professor Määtänen, I
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know that you love science and
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you also love nature and
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studying living things and how
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they reveal God.
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But before we go there, tell
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us a bit about yourself, about
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your children, about your wife
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and also go back a little bit
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and tell us about your name
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and what that means.
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>> Well, I'll start with my
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name.
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So my name's actually
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Velipekka which is "brother
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Pekka" and probably because
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I'm the brother to my older
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siblings and "Pekka" is just
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another version, a Finnish
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version of "Peter."
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So my parents are both from
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Finland, they immigrated from
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Finland directly to Canada,
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but I was born in Canada so I
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grew up here, but I did learn
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the language a little bit as a
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child and yeah, I then went on
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after that to get married to
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my lovely wife, Sarah.
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She is the mother of our three
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wonderful children, Isaac,
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Lilia, and Mina.
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Isaac is 8, Lilia is 5, and
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Mina is 2, so they're really
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the joy of my life.
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>> So, Professor Määtänen, I
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understand that you have PhD
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in Biochemistry from McGill
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University.
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What spurred your interest
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in sciences?
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>> Well, that goes back to
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when I was a young kid going
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out camping with my parents a
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lot, we spent a lot of
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weekends out on Georgian Bay
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which is a bay, a large bay
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off of Lake Huron, as you
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might be aware, beautiful
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islands there, we would go
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claim an island for a weekend.
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We would spend time there and
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I could just search that
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island thoroughly, I could
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find frogs and crayfish and so
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I would collect those and look
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at them, try to understand
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them, race them as kids do, a
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lot of things like that.
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And so just looking at those
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animals, just seeing just how
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they move, how they breathe,
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how they-- all the things they
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did, I always wondered how do
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they work inside?
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How do these function at a
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more basic level?
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And so, yeah, later in life I
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really wanted to study that
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deeper and deeper.
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>> So, Pekka, once I had
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someone ask me this question:
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"How come you believe in
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scripture?"
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Because he said to me, "I used
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"to believe in scripture,
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"I used to go to church,
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"but that's faith.
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I now believe in science."
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So what do you say to someone
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like that with a mindset
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like that?
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>> Hmm.
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So yeah, I definitely have run
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into some people like that.
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I think the most important
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thing I look at initially is,
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you know, who are they
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personally?
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What is their life story?
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Where do they come from?
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Where do they-- what are their
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interests?
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Why do they believe what they
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believe?
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You know, the reality is every
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single one of us has our
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preconceptions and our
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understandings of life and the
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way things work and so just to
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get a better understanding of
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their background and get that
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understanding.
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And then from that point, I
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would dig a little bit deeper
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try to see, OK, well, what is
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it about science that you see
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as being so factual as
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compared to something that's
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more faith-based?
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What is the basis of that
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belief?
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And so usually I find when
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people open up that way, you
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know the Bible says in Isaiah,
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"Come let us reason together,"
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right, so coming together,
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having that time together,
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learning to know that person
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allows me then to open up a
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little bit more about why I
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have some issues with certain
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areas of science.
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The other thing that I usually
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point out to them is what is
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science, right, I ask the
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question: what is science?
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And science is really about
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being able to observe and
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experiment on things in the
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natural world, to better
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understand them.
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You know, that's a bit of a
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quick definition, but that's
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essentially what it is.
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So if you cannot observe or
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experiment on something, you
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can't then say this is how it
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is or this is a fact, even
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though it may be called
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"scientific."
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So this is where, for example,
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the origin of life is a great
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example because it is an area
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that we cannot observe or
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experiment on because it was
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historical, it happened a long
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time in the past.
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So at this point in time, we
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can only surmise as to what
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happened back then.
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And so I typically will bring
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that person to an understanding
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that yes, even science doesn't
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have the answers for these
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basic things.
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It's important for us to
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recognize as scientist that we
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don't know everything, we're
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faced with uncertainties and
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that's why we're scientists,
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we're learning more, we're
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researching about the world
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around us, so...
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>> So as you've mentioned,
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Professor Määtänen, the
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mainstream thinking in science
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is quite different from the
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Biblical perspective.
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So how did you navigate a
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secular post-secondary
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education?
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>> So, you know, that's a good
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question.
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I think, you know, having
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gone-- as a child, I went
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through Christian grade school,
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Christian high school and then
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I moved on to a secular
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university so it was a very
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big shift and when I entered
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university, I had professors
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who were extremely brilliant
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individuals.
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Like I had one professor who
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was a-- he was a professional
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musician he had gone to the
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Aspen Music Festival, he was
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playing violin there, he had
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also been accepted into
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medical school, he saw the
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mountains and he saw the trees
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on the mountains and that
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there were different colours
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in the trees and thought,
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"Wow, really interesting.
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"Why are the trees lower down
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"different from the ones
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"higher up?
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"Hmm, let me go do a PhD at
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"UBC on, you know, plant growth
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"in relation to the soil
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"chemistry that's going on and
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understand how that works."
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And so then he went on and got
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his PhD, came back, became a
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professor and so this kind of
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a person is just basically
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telling me evolution is fact.
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Right, so very charismatic,
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very well-spoken, and just,
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you know, a person who you
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look at and you're like, "Wow,
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how could he be wrong?"
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Right?
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And so that was my experience
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and I had to really come to
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the point where I need to
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think for myself and better
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understand what is this that
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I'm believing.
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Do I actually still believe in
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God, do I believe in science,
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if you will, going back to the
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first question.
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[MIKE] Mmm, so how did you
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solve that problem?
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>> Well, I don't think I
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solved the problem, you know,
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it was really more of a
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continuous process, but I have
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to say it came to a head when
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I faced some of my own
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personal challenges seeing how
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my-- members of my own family,
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my brother started to drift a
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little bit, seeing how I
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needed to ask God-- 'cause he
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asked a lot of questions, he--
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and which is good, you know,
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that's what scientist do is
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ask questions.
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So he asked a lot of questions
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He said, "Well, why doesn't
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God just show Himself to me?"
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And as I was having these same
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questions, you know, saying,
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"OK, well, God, why don't You
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"just reveal Yourself to me?
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"I mean, can't You just show
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"Yourself?
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Speak down from heaven."
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You know, as I kept on begging
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God to just show Himself to
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me, He said in a very still
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voice to me, He said, "Why
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"don't you read the letters
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that I've written you?"
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And I said, "Well...
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OK, I suppose."
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And I was pretty grudging, I
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don't think I was particularly
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excited 'cause I thought,
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"Well, I've-- haven't I read
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"the Bible?
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I know this stuff."
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But the reality was I needed
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to know it for myself.
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And so I did make a
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commitment to read my Bible.
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And, you know, it's so
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incredible when you read the
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Bible, as you probably know,
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it either changes you or you
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wanna get rid of it, right?
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There's two different reactions
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and for me I think it was the
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former, it really-- I could
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tell that God was speaking to
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me for each situation each day
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and so I realized, "OK,
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"there's more to You than I
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"originally thought and I need
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to listen."
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So God did speak to me.
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He answered that prayer.
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Maybe not in the way that I
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expected, but, you know, God
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has to be the authority figure
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He can't do it exactly the way
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that you want, right?
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So...yeah.
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>> So, Professor Määtänen,
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did you have any challenges in
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your thinking while you were
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doing your doctorate?
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>> Yeah, so certainly, you
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know, again, at a secular
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university I had-- I was
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surrounded by people who
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pretty much, you know,
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believed the narrative of
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evolution.
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However, there was a lot of
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respect there and I have to
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say that honest scientists,
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generally speaking, they will
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not dig deep into pushing
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different areas that are not
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known scientifically, they are
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more interested in pushing the
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envelope in terms of science,
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you know, can we learn
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greater, deeper truths from
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experimentation and observation
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as we talked about earlier.
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So yeah, I actually felt very
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supported and they knew I
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never showed up to the lab on
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Saturdays 'cause that was when
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I was, you know, at church, I
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would be worshipping God on
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those days.
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I didn't push it into them,
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but they didn't push their
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ideologies into me.
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And I did have one interaction
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that was really incredible
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actually, my supervisor, who
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was the chair of biochemistry
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at the time there, he came to
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me and he said, "Last night I
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"watched the Nova documentary
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"on the origin of life and the
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creation/evolution debate."
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And it's very pro-evolution.
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And he said, "You know,
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"there's an argument though
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"from the intelligent-design
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"view that I don't have an
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"answer for and that's
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irreducible complexity."
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So the idea that things,
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biological organisms, they
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have within them systems that
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require every part to function.
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If one part is missing,
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it doesn't work.
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How do you evolve that?
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This was the question and he
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said, "I don't have an answer
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for that."
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And I thought that was
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incredible how he had that
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intellectual honesty, that
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scientific honesty to say,
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"You know what, I recognize
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"we don't have an answer to
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"this and that's actually a
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good argument in your favour."
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And I thought that was really
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humble of him and I still
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appreciate it to this day that
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he came forward with that, so,
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yeah, I felt very supported.
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>> Very good and very honest,
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right?
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So you talked about the book
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that God speaks to us through,
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the Bible, what about the book
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of nature?
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[PEKKA] Right.
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Yeah, so that is where, you
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know, phase two comes in, I
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guess I would say, in--
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You know, sometimes we
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look at scripture and we say,
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"Well that's the only thing
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"that God reveals Himself to
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us in," but that's really
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not true.
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We have the life of Christ, we
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have nature.
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And so as I was getting to the
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end of my thesis, it was about
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year four, I was preparing, I
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was writing it, I was doing
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some work on that, I had some
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papers out and stuff and I
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realized, it was 4:00 in the
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morning on a Thursday, I'll
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never forget this, I woke up
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and I was just like, "Wow, I
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"cannot believe this whole
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pathway I've been studying,"
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the pathway of protein folding
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quality control, which we can
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get into more detail later,
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but basically, that whole
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pathway is the story of the
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gospel and I just could not
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get over the fact that God had
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revealed Himself in that
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pathway in so many different
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details within it and I just--
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it had been right in front of
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me and I never saw it.
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So I think a lot of times it's
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perspective again, human
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interpretation, looking at
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nature and if we see God in it
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you know, it's partly the
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lenses we're wearing that
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allow us to do that, it's not
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that it's not there, it's just
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that we're not necessarily
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seeking after that.
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So yeah, it was incredible.
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Really solidified in my mind
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that God is showing Himself in
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nature in a multitude of ways
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and God's design is huge.
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The beauty of the earth, just
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the way that He's created
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everything, it's just grand.
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And so I'm just blessed to
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recognize that God is that
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beautiful designer and He
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wants to make everything clear
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to us, even about His
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character from nature.
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¤For the beauty of the earth¤
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¤For the glory of the skies
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¤For the love which
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¤from our birth
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¤Over and around us lies
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¤Lord of all, to Thee we raise
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¤This our grateful
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¤song of praise
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¤For the gift of Thy dear son
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¤For the hope of
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¤heaven at last
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¤For the Spirit's victory won
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¤For the crown
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¤when life is past
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¤Lord of all, to Thee we raise
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¤This our grateful
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¤song of praise
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¤This our grateful
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¤song of praise
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¤¤
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>> The earth truly is full of
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beauty and, Professor Määtänen,
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you are involved in scientific
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research.
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Do you have any other examples
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from nature that reveal God?
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>> Well, I'm so glad you asked
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I think the more I teach and
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the more I study, the more
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examples come out.
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So there's a lot, but I wanna
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share a few of them here
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quickly with you.
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So why don't we look in our
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Bibles, actually.
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If we look in Luke chapter 6
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and verse 45, it says...
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Now, we see that as a
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character trait, right, that
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our heart is our, our mind is
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our character.
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But interestingly, in
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developmental biology, there
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are two heart fields that the
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heart develops from.
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These are the progenitor cells
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that the heart comes from.
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Those two heart fields, one
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becomes certain parts of the
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heart, the other one becomes
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parts of the heart, but also
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your facial muscles, your
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lungs and parts of the heart
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as well.
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So, quite literally, out of
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the heart the mouth speaks.
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It's quite incredible.
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Even in the developmental
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biology textbook it says, "In
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a remarkable way," that's how
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they phrase it, "this is what
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happens."
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So it's just another example
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of how God has written into
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nature the way that He's
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created us.
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The other thing that I wanna
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share quickly is, you know,
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many of us, I'm sure you and
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others, have thought about
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ministry and how best,
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especially in marriage as well
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people can work together,
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right, so how do we work
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together best?
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And there's a principle that
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actually is illustrated to us
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through muscle development
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that teaches us how ministry
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works best and you might think
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this is odd, but if you
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consider a muscle fibre, a
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muscle fibre is just one cell,
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but a muscle fibre has many,
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many nuclei within it, so
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many, many nuclei within that
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one cell.
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How did that come to be?
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How come there are so many
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nuclei within one cell and how
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can they all work together?
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Well, for many years they
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didn't know for sure whether a
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large cell would form and then
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more nuclei would form within
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it or whether individual cells
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would come together with their
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nuclei and then fuse to form
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that one long fibre.
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But after working on this,
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they found that indeed the
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individual forms first so the
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identity of the individual,
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the nucleus of that individual
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cell will form first, and
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then, only then when they
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reach a certain density, those
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cells will come together to
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form that muscle fibre.
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This process, I believe, very
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much aligns with the way
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marriage should happen where
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you should have your own
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identity already in Christ,
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you should have your own clear
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who you are and have your
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happiness, right, we know that
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if you're happy before you're
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married, it's better chance
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you're gonna be happier after,
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right, you guys probably have
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even talked about this.
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So that happiness coming
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together needs to happen after
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you've established yourself.
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So the text I wanted to share,
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this is Proverbs chapter 24:27
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says...
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So don't try and go too--
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go ahead of the game, get
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yourself settled, figure
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things out, know that you're
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gonna be prepared and then go
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forward with either marriage
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or ministry as well.
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So there's a lot of different
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ways our individuality can
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contribute to ministry, but we
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first, we have to recognize
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the power and the importance
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of our individuality, but also
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recognize that we have to not
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come together prematurely,
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put it that way.
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OK, the other example I wanna
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share, so, many of you are
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probably familiar with omega-3
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fatty acids, right, omega-3
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polyunsaturated fatty acids,
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these are probably the most
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taken supplement of all
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actually.
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Now the thing about omega-3's
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is it is not the omega-3
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itself that's the actually the
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active agent so it is
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molecules that are derived
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from omega-3 that are the
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active agents of resolution of
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inflammation.
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And I want to propose to you
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this idea that there's another
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symbol used for the Holy
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Spirit, right, we know what
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that symbol is, oil, right,
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oil and omega-3 is an oil.
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The oil of the Holy Spirit,
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what is the Holy Spirit's role?
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That is found in John 16:8.
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It says, "And when He is come,
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referring to the Holy Spirit,
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the Comforter, "He will
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"reprove the world of sin, of
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"righteousness, and of
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judgment," so there's three
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aspects to the Holy Spirit's
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work.
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Now, interestingly, the oils
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that we take into our bodies,
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they provide the precursor
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molecules or they provide the
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necessary building blocks for
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prostaglandins, these are
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actually helping us to
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identify a problem and inflame
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in that area.
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Inflammation is not necessarily
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bad, right, because if you're
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injured, you need inflammation
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to bring healing so that
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inflammation happens and then
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knowing the sin, right, being
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conscious of where the pain is
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specifically and then having a
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remedy for that, bringing in
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the troops, bringing in the
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macrophages, bringing in the
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neutrophils, bringing in all
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those cells are gonna come in
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and help clean up and help fix
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that, there's a lot of
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involvement of these fats in
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that process and then,
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amazingly, there's resolution
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and resolution comes when
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those omega-3-derived
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pro-resolving lipid mediators,
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they're actually called SPM's,
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pro-resolving lipid mediators,
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they will come in there and
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they will help to clear,
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actively clear the debris,
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clear the infection and bring
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resolution to that inflammation.
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So there's a three-part
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process so the Holy Spirit
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doesn't just convict us of our
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problems, He also empowers us
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to do what's right which is
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beautiful.
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So that's another alignment.
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And the final example I wanted
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to give to you is an area that
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I'm studying more recently now
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and that is the microbiome
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and these are the bacteria,
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but not just the bacteria, any
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organism, any micro-organism
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living in or on you and the
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vast majority of them do live
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in your gastrointestinal tract,
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primarily in your colon,
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however, there are many also
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on your skin, many in other
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places, right?
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Now you may have noticed in
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the news and in the media that
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the microbiome is getting more
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and more press because
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everybody's recognizing this
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is like another organ, it's
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another part of our body.
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The bacteria produce hormones,
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the bacteria produce all kinds
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of different neuropeptides,
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different molecules that
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affect our functioning.
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And so this area has become
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quite hot and now there are a
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lot of therapies that are
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targeting the microbiome,
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trying to figure out how can
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we change those bacteria and
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make them potentially change us.
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Well, this whole idea of the
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microbiome has brought out to
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the research community that
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there are both good and bad
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microbes, right?
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You have the good and the bad
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and there's this battle
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between good and evil, if you
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will, happening inside of you.
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Hmm, does that sound familiar?
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Right?
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So the origin of evil,
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actually, if you look back to
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Ezekiel 28, it started within,
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it was inside, it was not
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something that happened from,
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you know it wasn't an external
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force that came in, it was an
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internal struggle that brought
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this to fruition.
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So one of the challenges that
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we're facing as humanity is we
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have lost the old microbes,
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the good microbes that we used
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to have and they're getting
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eradicated.
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One thing that we can do to
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improve our microbiome is to
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eat foods that promote the
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good bacteria, right?
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And so a person might ask,
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"Well, how do you eat the
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"right foods?
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"What are the right foods?
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What promotes good bacteria?"
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Well, fibre, right, I'm sure
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you've talked about fibre,
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fibre is what those bacteria
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will actually ferment and make
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byproducts that will you, but
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what is the original fibre?
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What's the first fibre that
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gets your body making-- or gets
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your body in tune?
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>> Oh, uh, breast milk?
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[PEKKA] Breast milk, right.
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Well, breast milk contains,
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believe it or not, something
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very much like fibre.
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We call these "human milk
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oligosaccharides."
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Now human milk oligosaccharides,
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they are food, not for us
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because we can't digest them
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directly, they're food for
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these bacteria, the good ones,
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and those bacteria will
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convert that-- those human
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milk sugars into beneficial
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byproducts that our colon can
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use as energy.
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So this process of building
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the good microbiome within us,
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begins actually with milk,
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with mother's milk.
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Well, is there a Bible text
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that talks about milk?
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>> Yeah, I think of feeding on
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the milk of the word.
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[PEKKA] The milk of the word.
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So let's take a look at
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1 Peter chapter 2, verses 2
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and 3 and it says...
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So God wants us to have that
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pure milk and that's gonna
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combat, if you read the first
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verse before that, it's gonna
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combat that bad stuff.
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It's gonna be the good
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promotion of good bacteria
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within us, the promotion of
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good thoughts, the promotion
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of God within us, the Word
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dwelling within us and I think
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that's really what this
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program is about, right?
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>> Exactly and that's what
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Jesus said, right?
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"It is written, 'Man shall not
00:25:50.98\00:25:52.11
live by bread alone,'" which
00:25:52.11\00:25:53.11
we need, "'but by every word
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"'that proceeds out of the
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mouth of God.'"
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And so there is this
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compatibility between science
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and a faith in God and they're
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very compatible.
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So we've come to the end of
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our time together and I
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wonder, Pekka, if you could
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close with a word of prayer
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for us?
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>> I'd be happy to do that.
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Our Father in heaven, Lord, we
00:26:14.87\00:26:16.17
are just so thankful that You
00:26:16.17\00:26:17.81
reveal Yourself to us in ways
00:26:17.81\00:26:19.61
we can understand, through
00:26:19.61\00:26:21.61
Your Word, but also through
00:26:21.61\00:26:23.55
the book of nature.
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Lord, we know that each one of
00:26:25.35\00:26:26.75
us needs You, we need You to
00:26:26.75\00:26:29.18
change our hearts for Your
00:26:29.18\00:26:30.82
Holy Spirit to come into us
00:26:30.82\00:26:32.29
and just show us where the bad
00:26:32.29\00:26:34.29
things are and help us resolve
00:26:34.29\00:26:36.83
those things, for us to be
00:26:36.83\00:26:39.66
continually in Your Word, to
00:26:39.66\00:26:41.13
build up the good side in that
00:26:41.13\00:26:43.00
battle that's within us.
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I just pray that You would
00:26:44.80\00:26:46.53
continue to help us seek You,
00:26:46.53\00:26:49.00
whether in nature or in Your
00:26:49.00\00:26:50.44
Word, help us to know that
00:26:50.44\00:26:52.14
You're there, that You want
00:26:52.14\00:26:53.38
the best for us and that
00:26:53.38\00:26:54.64
You're coming soon.
00:26:54.64\00:26:55.81
We thank You for all these
00:26:55.81\00:26:56.91
things and we pray this in
00:26:56.91\00:26:57.85
Jesus' name, amen.
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[MIKE] Amen, amen.
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>> Professor Määtänen, thank
00:26:59.95\00:27:01.15
you so much for joining us
00:27:01.15\00:27:02.45
today on It Is Written Canada.
00:27:02.45\00:27:04.15
It was such an honour to have
00:27:04.15\00:27:05.72
you with us.
00:27:05.72\00:27:07.12
>> It's been my pleasure.
00:27:07.12\00:27:08.39
Thanks so much for having me.
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>> Friends, as Professor Pekka
00:27:12.09\00:27:13.36
Määtänen shared with us today,
00:27:13.36\00:27:15.66
we see scientific evidence of
00:27:15.66\00:27:18.20
design in nature which means
00:27:18.20\00:27:20.00
that there must be a designer.
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views on the origins of life,
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important it is to keep an
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>> We want you to experience
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the truth that is found in the
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words of Jesus when He said,
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"It is written, 'Man shall not
00:28:09.08\00:28:11.42
"'live by bread alone, but by
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"'every word that proceeds out
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of the mouth of God.'"
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