>> Welcome back to It Is
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Written Canada.
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Thank you for joining us here
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on location in Peace River,
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Alberta where Paul and Tammy
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Hebert now live.
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[RENÉ] Today we are joining
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Paul and Tammy whose
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three-year-old son, Kienan,
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was kidnapped in September
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of 2011.
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Paul and Tammy, welcome to
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It Is Written Canada.
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[BOTH] Thank you.
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[MIKE] I wanna talk to both of
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you about your conversion
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years before, how God was
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preparing your hearts to be
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able to deal with something
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like this.
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>> As a young child I grew up
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in a faith where the Word was
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taught to us, but as I
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challenged the Word, it didn't
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seem familiar, from what I was
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taught and what I read in the
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Bible were two different
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things.
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So I kind of walked away from
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Christianity thinking,
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"These guys aren't practising
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what they're preaching."
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And it wasn't 'til years later
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that my children started
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looking into the Word and they
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were asking questions about
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God and it kinda made me go
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back to kind of revisiting
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the Word.
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And at that time I was in the
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military in the Canadian Armed
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Forces here and I didn't
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really know how to answer my
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children so I talked with a
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padre, a chaplain of the
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Canadian Armed Forces that we
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had and he introduced us to
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the church system on base, but
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it was-- when you'd go one
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Sunday it was one thing and it
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was a Presbyterian one Sunday,
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it was a Baptist another time
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and so we...
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I moved our kids over to a
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more predominant church, it
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was a Baptist church in
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Edmonton where we started
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getting into the Word.
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So God was working in a few
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different angles at that time
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and a few different men in my
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life as well.
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And so another man in the
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[unintelligible] business at
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the time, when we were also
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there, his name was Frank
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Miklas and successful in that,
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but I looked at Frank and I
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said, "What was this look in
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your eyes," like, he was
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well-dressed, he was well-- he
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carried himself well, but
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there was this confidence
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about Frank that was
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attractive as a man.
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And I asked him one day, I
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said, "What is this look that
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you have," you know, "Was it
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money, was it the cars," and
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he said, "No," he says, "it's
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content," and I'm like, "OK,"
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you know, "Content in what?"
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And he says, "In Jesus Christ,"
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and there was another seed
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that had been planted.
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I was a tough man, I was in
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the world, I didn't need
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anybody so I kinda shrugged
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those off and it wasn't 'til
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Tammy and I, as we were living
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in the world and coming to the
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Lord, you know, we were being
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attacked several different
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ways from Satan's army, you
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know, because that's usually
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what happens.
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And so when we were separated,
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we were separated to work on
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ourselves and to develop who
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we were 'cause we were-- you
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know, in the world way, right,
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and not...
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And so I was in a pretty dark
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place at that time, I fell to
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alcohol, I was addicted to
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pain medicine at that time,
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and it was a time when my
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family was upset with me, my
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friends were upset with me
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because I, you know, I took a
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separation from my wife and it
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wasn't because I didn't love
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her, it was because I didn't
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want to hate her.
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It was probably the best
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things that ever happened to
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us because we were able to
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build on our relationship with
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God, learn who He was as a
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couple in submitting to Him.
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It wasn't 'til almost a year
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later from our separation when
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I decided to do this one last
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time with God.
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It was that or suicide, right?
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It was, you know, what else do
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you live for, you know, the
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world didn't give me anything,
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it took everything away.
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God has put so many seeds
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along those paths and I'm a
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stubborn man so it took a long
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time for Him to break through
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and chisel through the rock to
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get to the soft heart, right,
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but best thing in the world
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for me.
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>> My conversion journey began
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when my husband left me with
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four small children and I had
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to take a good look at myself
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and see that it wasn't all
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him, that I had issues that I
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needed to deal with and I went
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to a doctor and I was
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diagnosed with OCD and
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manic-depressive and it was
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bad, I would have to clean
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under my fridge, like, three
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times a day and heaven forbid
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anybody move anything 'cause I
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would just, like, break down
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in tears.
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And that's part of the reason
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why we had to separate so that
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I could fix me and in that
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process, I continued going to
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church and grew in my faith
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and was baptized while we were
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separated.
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Four years ago I was diagnosed
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with breast cancer and ended
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up getting both removed so
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bilateral mastectomy.
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When my hair fell out, I
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figured, "OK, well, I lost all
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"my beautiful long hair, I'm
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"just gonna do something fun
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and funky and..."
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One side is "Blessed" with the
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breast cancer butterfly and I
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got "Believe" on the other
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side with a phoenix for, like,
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new birth because I'm this
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whole new person than I
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was before.
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Stickin' with the pink hair
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though, I don't know, it's
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better than the Gray.
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Yeah, but, every day there's a
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new struggle, it's just every
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day you have to recommit it to
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God and don't worry about it.
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>> So take us back to that
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morning when you went to
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Kienan's bedroom and he
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wasn't there.
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>> Well, it took a little bit
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to realize he wasn't there
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because it was a normal
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morning.
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The kids were-- the rest of
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them were in jumping on our
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bed, playing, and Kienan's
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usually a late sleeper so it
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wasn't a big deal that he
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wasn't there until I got up to
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go make his bed and his
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blankets weren't there which I
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thought was kind of odd and I
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said, "Well, where's Kienan,"
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and they're like, "Well, he's
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downstairs."
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So I went down the stairs and
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I see the two teenage kids at
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their computers doing their
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schoolwork and asked them,
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like, "Where's Kienan?"
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And they're, "Upstairs
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sleeping, I haven't seen him."
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And then my heart started to
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race and checked the basement
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and went through and was
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flipping beds and opening
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closets and drawers and all
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those places where you'd think
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a three-year-old would fit, I
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was opening and tearing it out
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and he wasn't there and then
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run upstairs and Kienan's
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not here.
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And I know immediately, like,
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Drew was out the door and he
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was outside looking and went
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upstairs and told Paul that
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Kienan wasn't there and...
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[PAUL] It was a big day for me,
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I was getting ready for work.
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There was a big sale that was
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happening and I was preparing
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myself mentally for this big
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day so as I'm in the shower,
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Tammy comes running over to--
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into the bathroom and she's
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like, "Paul, Kienan's missing."
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And I thought she was, you
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know, just playing around,
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joking and trying to, you
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know, lighten the mood so I
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wasn't so stressed for the day.
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And I was like, "No," you know
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"I don't need this right now,
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"I need to think, concentrate
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on work," and she's, "No,
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seriously, Kienan's missing."
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So I was like, "What?"
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And she was like, "Yeah, I
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"tore the house apart, I can't
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find him anywhere."
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So we started looking for
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Kienan and then we started
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phoning around and saying,
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"Hey," you know, like, "we
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need to shut the equipment
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down," 'cause we're in the
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middle of a development right
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now, construction development
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and we weren't sure if he was
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sleep-walking or anything
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'cause who would think,
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honestly, that somebody could
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just come and stole your son
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out of his room, right?
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So as we started phoning
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people and looking for him,
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more and more people started
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showing up, you know, to help
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and look for Kienan and next
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thing you know we have about
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2,400 people, this is like 9:00
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in the morning and by noon
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there's like, you know, 2000,
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3000 people searching in this
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small community, right, and
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it's like, "Wow!"
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So it was-- everything was
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developing really fast.
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And RCP had showed up and they
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were bringing the dogs down,
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the K-9 unit, and helicopters
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and, you know, they had to
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stop stop everybody to
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organize a proper search, a
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better plan for what was
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happening and at that time it
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was, you know, pushing closer
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towards supper time and that's
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when they pulled us in, Victim
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Services had come along.
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>> It became real when Victim
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Services, when they showed up
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and introduced themselves as
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Victim Services.
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I remember that moment.
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It's like everything-- it's
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like, "This just got real."
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And I remember going across
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the street and just sitting on
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the step and just crying.
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And then the kids came over to
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me and then they would start
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crying and then it's, "OK..."
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That's when it's like, "OK,
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"God, this is Yours because I
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"can't do this on my own and I
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"have to be strong for the kids
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"I can't be crying 'cause they
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still need me."
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And that's what kept it
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together is, like, from that
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moment was whatever happens,
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happens, but I have to be
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strong for them.
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>> They had told us that there
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was a possibility that an
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individual who had just been
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released from jail weeks prior
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to this might be part of this
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program, but they couldn't for
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sure give us that information.
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So we prayed and we prayed for
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the kidnapper was to return
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'cause they've assumed now
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Kienan was kidnapped and so we
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prayed that, you know, if he
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was kidnapped that God would
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protect our son, protect
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Kienan and that...
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because Mr. Hopley at the time
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was known as a molester, right,
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and a pedophile so
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we wanted to pray
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with everybody that was in
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there, the search and rescue
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teams, we wanted to pray for
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safety for them, for Kienan
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safety, also for the gentleman
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who had Kienan, wanted to pray
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that he was impotent and that
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he had compassion for Kienan,
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that he fell in love with him
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and just overall would take
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care of Kienan while he had
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him and to know that
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eventually he would, you know,
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find in his heart that what he
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was doing was wrong.
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And so we were pretty occupied
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with everything that was going
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on, at the same time we were
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still trying to take care of
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our family, people were asking
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us questions, our child is
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missing...
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...and we're still in
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prayer, right, and we're
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saying, "God..." you know.
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And by the third day, the RCP
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had asked if we could do
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a plea on the network, on TV.
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We're just gonna ask him to
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bring him into somewhere open,
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we don't really-- it didn't
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matter to us if he got caught,
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our whole purpose was that we
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had Kienan back.
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On the fourth day, on
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September 11th, we were
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looking outside and we see
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these people kinda running
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around our house, but it was
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actually an RCP undercover
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that was looking at the house.
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And I'm like, "What are you
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guys doing here?"
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And he's like, "We just got a
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"phone call stating that Kienan
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was returned."
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>> I didn't know who was out
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there so I went and I woke up
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our son-in-law, like, "Daniel,
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Paul's-- somebody's outside
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our house and Paul went out
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there to check and he's not
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back yet, can you go see
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what's wrong?"
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And then he was gone for,
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like, maybe five minutes and
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he comes back, just white as a
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ghost, and he's like,
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"He's back."
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"What do you mean 'he's back?'
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Who's back? What's happening?"
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He's like, "Kienan's back."
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>> But they weren't telling me
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anything, they were just, that
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he's here.
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I'm like, "Is he dead?
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"Is he alive?
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What's going on?"
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And I can see Kienan's
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blankets folded on the floor
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and I was like, "There's his
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blankets."
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And then they're like, "No,
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he's alive, he's sleeping."
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I was like, "What?!"
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[TAMMY] I just remember
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running over to the house and
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my legs were like Jell-O and I
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walk in the door and I see
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Paul standing there holding
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Kienan and, you know, the
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Bible says, "Every knee will
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bow," I know that feeling,
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every knee will bow, because
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my legs were not holding me
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and I was on my knees, my face
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was on the floor and I was
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just like, "Thank You, Lord,
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thank You, Lord," that's all I
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could say, "Thank You, Lord."
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And then I grabbed Kienan and
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I didn't let go of him until
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I'm sure we were at-- probably
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at the hospital for a while
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before-- 'cause they picked
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him up in the ambulance and
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took us to the hospital and
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they did, like, the whole rape
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kit on him and everything and,
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yeah, it was something.
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And I remember bringing him
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home that day and we-- there
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was-- unbelievable, there was,
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like, people everywhere.
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We went through Tim Horton's
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for coffee and they're like,
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they're climbing through the
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drive-in-- out from the
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drive-thru windows and hugging
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us and, you know, we pull up
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into Sparwood and the police
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are, like, holding back tears,
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just waving us through and it
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was, like, so unreal.
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>> So he was returned unharmed
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[TAMMY] Unharmed, yeah.
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>> ...and you had an
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opportunity now to meet with
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the kidnapper.
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What was that conversation like?
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>> I didn't know if I'd be
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strong enough, you know, RCP
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had phoned me and they say,
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"Hey, Paul, we would like for
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you to come down and help with
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the interrogation with Mr.
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Hopley and they said, "Do you
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"think you think you can
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handle that?"
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I was like, "I think so," you
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know, and then so they said,
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"OK, we're gonna come pick
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you up."
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I looked at Tammy, I said,
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"I don't know," I can feel my
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heart literally pounding out
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of my chest and I thought, "Oh
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"man, Lord, I don't know if I'm
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"gonna break down in my flesh
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and wanna do the--" you know,
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just get angry with him and it
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was a real struggle, I
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didn't-- I was afraid, I
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didn't know where I would be
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at at that stage.
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I get to the police station
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and I open the door, the
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inspector opens the door and
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as I'm coming in, I can feel
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the calmness set over top of me
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before I walked into the room.
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And it's a small room, I don't
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know, an 8-by-10 interrogation
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room, it's a pretty small
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little room and me and Mr.
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Hopley now are sitting
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face-to-face, about two feet
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in front of each other.
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We sat down and as he was
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asking him questions, we were
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wanting to know if he had done
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anything with Kienan or why he
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was doing this and so I was
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able to ask, like, "Why would
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you return him home?"
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You know, when we put the plea
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out, it was to bring him to a
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gas station or to an open
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place or a public place where
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Kienan could be seen and then
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brought home.
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And he said, "Well, I didn't
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"want him to be kidnapped so I
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"brought him home, I brought
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him where I knew he'd be safe."
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He said, "I don't know, I fell
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in love with him, you know, he
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was this good kid and I
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couldn't hurt him," and we
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asked him, like, "Did you do
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anything to him?"
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And he's like, "No, it was
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impotent."
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And the detective that was
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beside me, I could see he
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was-- it was almost the
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instant that he was there at
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the prayer at the beginning
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the first day and I think it
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kinda hit him pretty hard in
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the heart at that time and it
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was like, "OK, God, You were
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listening."
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'Cause everything we were
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talking about, he repeats back
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in this interrogation.
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And it was just, after that I
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couldn't help but talk about
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the Lord with him, you know,
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and then they left us alone,
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me and Mr. Hopley in the room
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together.
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And after we were done
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discussing, as I was walking
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out, everybody in the
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detachment was, you know...
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It was just a surreal moment,
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it was an eye-opener.
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I know God was very present in
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that building.
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I know some people that had
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been changed because of that.
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It's a terrible moment, but
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there was miracles upon
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miracles at that same time.
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So how can you be upset when
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you see such beauty?
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>> Exactly.
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So, Paul and Tammy, we are
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joined by your son, Kienan,
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and he's not the little
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three-year-old he once was.
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Kienan, take us back to that
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time, do you remember anything
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that happened?
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>> Thank you.
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Yes, I actually do.
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When it was night time, I
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remember waking up in my
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kidnapper's arms, wrapped in
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blankets so I asked him,
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"Where are we going?"
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So he answered, "To a walk."
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So then I fell back asleep.
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I woke up a while later at a
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white car and I asked him,
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"Where are we going now?"
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He said that we're going for a
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drive so I said, "OK," and I
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fell back asleep.
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A while later, I woke up in
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this house and I saw a huge
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hole on the wall.
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I thought it was scary so I
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asked him what that hole was.
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He said that giant rats lived
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in there and I believed him
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so I didn't wanna go in there.
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So he brought me back upstairs
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and sat me on this big Teddy
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bear and once he did, he gave
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me a peanut-butter-jam
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sandwich.
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I didn't like
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peanut-butter-jam so I decided
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not to eat that.
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And then he walked me over to
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the bedroom and we fell asleep.
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>> Mmm.
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And you were pretty tired, it
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was the middle of the night,
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right?
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>> Yes.
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>> Did you think it was
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someone else who was taking
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you out of your bed?
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>> Yes, I thought it was my mom.
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[MIKE] Oh, you thought it was
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your mom.
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>> Yeah.
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>> And so was there any harm?
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I mean, you were with him for
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four days.
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>> I don't recall any harm
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being done because I only
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remember the first night and
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from what I remember, no harm
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was done.
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>> Very thankful to God that,
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and I know your parents were,
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that you were brought home.
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Now that was a faith-building
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moment, obviously, your child
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was returned and you just have
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kept growing and growing over
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the years and now you're very
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active in the Peace River
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community.
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What are you doing in the
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community?
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[PAUL] When we left Sparwood, we
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wanted to rebuild our family
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again and just to start fresh
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again and get things-- but for
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about a year, year and a half,
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we're kinda going, like, we
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weren't doing anything.
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And we're like, "Lord, why
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would we go through all these
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challenges and to do nothing
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with it."
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I've never been a biker, I was
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never interested in biking,
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but Tammy has, she was
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always-- she grew up on dirt
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bikes and everything and she's
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always asked for a motorcycle.
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And I don't know what came
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over me...man, but [chuckles]
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I was searching one day and I
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see this motorcycle for sale
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and it was a beautiful yellow
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bike and I thought, "I'm gonna
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get ahold of this lady."
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And so I messaged her and I
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said, "I see your bike is for
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"sale, I don't really have the
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"finances to buy this bike
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"right now, but if I could do
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"it in payments, that would be
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"great, you know, my wife has
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"gone through a real hard time
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"in the last couple years, the
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"last five, six years and I
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"would like to buy her
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"something special that she's
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always wanted."
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And she was right away, she's
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like, "Absolutely," you know.
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"How 'bout you come and get it
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and you can bring it to her."
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And so we went and picked it
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up and she trusted us to pay
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it whenever, but God put
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enough money in our bank
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account that we were able to
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pay for it and
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bought her a bike.
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Then I felt kinda, "Well,
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"if she's on a bike, I should
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"probably get on a bike
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with her."
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So then I decided, I went and
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bought myself this motorcycle
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and I thought, "Oh, this is a
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bad thought."
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Get on it and I just fell in
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love, I've never been off a
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bike ever since.
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And the reason I'm talking
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about this story is it grows
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into a ministry.
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'Cause we were searching for
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different types of outreaches
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and we wanted something where
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we can get to the hurt, to the
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really hurt people because
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people don't understand when
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there's no hope, there's
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Christ, you know, when
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everything else has failed,
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there's Christ.
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And it was where I was in my
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walk, it's where Tammy-- we
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found Christ at the bottom of
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the pit.
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And that's where I wanted our
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ministry, was...
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for people who...
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have nothing left.
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And so searching for that
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ministry wasn't very easy.
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And I come across this website
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called "Bikers for Christ" and
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I was searching that and I was
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looking at that and they were
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like, "Set in a rescue shop in
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their yards of hell."
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And I'm thinking, "This is
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"perfect, this is what I'm
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looking for!"
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And then I phone up one of the
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elders for Bikers for Christ
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on the website and it was Mike
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Anthony and I phoned him up
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and I said, "Hi, my name is
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Paul Hebert," and he's like,
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"Paul Hebert from Sparwood?"
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And I'm like, "Yeah."
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"Wow!" he says, "We've been
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praying about you guys!"
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And we just hit it off like
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that and God just made us
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brothers instantly, you know,
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we're kingdom brothers, the
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Holy Spirit connected and here
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we are, right, we're just--
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And we knew this was something
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I really wanted to get into so
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I started learning the culture
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and how to bring God into this
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culture and it just opened up
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so many more things.
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And Pastor Nathan was doing a
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sermon one day about loving
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your neighbour and instead of
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having a barbecue in your
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backyard, you bring it to your
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front yard and you invite your
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neighbours to come out and you
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barbecue together and you
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fellowship and you share
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Christ with them.
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And we live out in the country
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so it was like, "Well, my
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"neighbour's 402 miles away,
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it would be kinda hard," so we
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decided to have a barbecue in
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a park, in Riverfront Park
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here.
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And it started with 15 people
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one Sunday, er, on a Thursday
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night, the next it was 56, 60
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people and then by the third
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week, there was 200, 250
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people.
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And we had-- Domino's Pizza had
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just said, "Hey, if you guys
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"want pizza, we have unlimited
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amounts, here's 30 pizzas."
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And then we're like, "Wow!"
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Yeah, and the women's shelter,
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they were bringing chilis and
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we were handing out hot dogs
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and that was just how it
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started, it was a-- our
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ministry just started growing
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and God started putting
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leadership in there, started
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putting mentors and
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role-models I needed in my
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life, financial supports, and
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we, come Christmas time we
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had, like, 500 people
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coming out.
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We have no budget, but God
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just kept pouring and pouring
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and He opened up His heavenly
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account, right?
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And we were building these
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relationships with people and
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we were like, "This is
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awesome," you know, we're
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meeting street people, we're
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meeting people who are
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having-- who don't know how to
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build relationships, they have
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nowhere to go so they started
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coming to Picnic in the Park
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to meet friends and people
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were getting baptized, people
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were finding their new
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future-spouses there, people
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were just building relationships
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with new friends.
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So it started becoming, "Come
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"and meet a friend you haven't
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met yet."
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Coming onto our fifth year,
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COVID come into play last
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year, we started a charity
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group now called "Servant's
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Heart Initiative."
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And now we, last year we have
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a wonderful cooking team, they
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fed over 10,000 meals last
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year to kids, a nutrition
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program for kids that were in
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school, we would deliver meals
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right to their homes.
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We were able to help elderly
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people, single parents, we
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started Celebrate Recovery now
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here also through our ministry
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to help people with addictions,
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with their sin-life in general.
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We're looking at starting up a
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treatment centre now.
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We went from our family as a
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ministry to over 140
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volunteers, it's grown to a
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few different communities now
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and it just keeps growing and
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it's like God is going,
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"You wanted a ministry?
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I've got you a ministry."
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The community did so much for
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us in Sparwood that there's
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never a way you could repay
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that, you know, we'll always
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be thankful to the people
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of Sparwood.
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[NATHAN] Hi there, I'm Nathan
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Friedt, I'm the lead pastor
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here at First Baptist Church
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in Peace River, Alberta.
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When I think about Paul and
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Tammy Hebert, one of the Bible
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verses that comes to my mind
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comes from the book of James,
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chapter 1, it says...
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The reason that I like this
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verse for Paul and Tammy is
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that they've had so many
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different trials that they've
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walked through in their life
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and each one has actually
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caused them to have a
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stronger faith.
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Seeing Paul and Tammy come
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alongside the church's
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ministries and not just
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serving within our church, but
00:25:49.58\00:25:51.11
going out into the community
00:25:51.11\00:25:52.78
and making the Lord's name
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great, it's an incredible
00:25:54.18\00:25:55.65
privilege to watch what God
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has been doing in their life.
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I am so excited for the next
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steps in their journey and to
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see how God is continuing to
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be faithful to them.
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>> Before we go, I wonder if
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you could please pray for us,
00:26:10.00\00:26:12.30
Paul?
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>> That'd be awesome.
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Thank you.
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Lord, we just wanna say thank
00:26:16.34\00:26:18.34
You for this time today, Lord,
00:26:18.34\00:26:20.28
as we get to share a story,
00:26:20.28\00:26:22.14
Lord, and it's not about us,
00:26:22.14\00:26:23.88
but it's about You, Lord.
00:26:23.88\00:26:26.08
That we can walk in our own
00:26:26.08\00:26:29.22
ways or we could walk with
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You, Lord, in that way.
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And, Lord, I just want to...
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put a special blessing out
00:26:38.29\00:26:39.56
there for everybody who's
00:26:39.56\00:26:40.96
watching this program, Lord,
00:26:40.96\00:26:42.46
through It Is Written Canada
00:26:42.46\00:26:44.60
and, Lord, that they can
00:26:44.60\00:26:46.17
spread your gospel and Your
00:26:46.17\00:26:47.67
word and Your love and bring
00:26:47.67\00:26:50.07
hope to a nation that's
00:26:50.07\00:26:52.24
listening, Lord, that can make
00:26:52.24\00:26:54.34
an impact on people who may
00:26:54.34\00:26:56.78
feel that there's nothing left
00:26:56.78\00:26:58.31
in the world, that they hear a
00:26:58.31\00:27:00.68
testimony through this
00:27:00.68\00:27:02.22
program, Lord, that they go,
00:27:02.22\00:27:04.15
"There's God," and they have
00:27:04.15\00:27:06.32
this seeking for who You are,
00:27:06.32\00:27:08.59
Lord.
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Lord, I just appreciate every
00:27:10.63\00:27:12.26
moment that we have that we
00:27:12.26\00:27:13.70
can serve in Your kingdom here
00:27:13.70\00:27:15.50
on earth at this time and,
00:27:15.50\00:27:17.23
Lord, in Your name we pray,
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amen.
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[MIKE & RENÉ] Amen.
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>> Thank you so much for
00:27:21.04\00:27:22.80
joining us, Kienan and Paul
00:27:22.80\00:27:24.77
and Tammy.
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>> Thank you.
00:27:25.94\00:27:27.04
Thank you guys for coming.
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>> Friends, Paul and Tammy
00:27:29.41\00:27:31.01
discovered how to forgive
00:27:31.01\00:27:33.21
their son's kidnapper and yet
00:27:33.21\00:27:35.02
some struggle to forgive.
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When emotions run too deep and
00:27:37.09\00:27:39.52
forgiveness feels like an
00:27:39.52\00:27:41.36
impossibility, what do you do?
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>> Our free offer for you is
00:27:45.56\00:27:47.50
What To Do When You Can't
00:27:47.50\00:27:48.90
Forgive.
00:27:48.90\00:27:50.97
This little book will provide
00:27:50.97\00:27:52.30
practical answers that will
00:27:52.30\00:27:54.17
help you forgive when you feel
00:27:54.17\00:27:56.20
like you can't.
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>> Friends, we want you to
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experience the truth that is
00:28:03.71\00:28:05.55
found in the words of Jesus
00:28:05.55\00:28:07.58
when He said, "It is written,
00:28:07.58\00:28:10.42
"'Man shall not live by bread
00:28:10.42\00:28:12.29
"'alone, but by every word
00:28:12.29\00:28:14.02
"'that proceeds out of the
00:28:14.02\00:28:15.79
mouth of God.'"
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¤¤
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