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>> Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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Thank you for joining us here
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in beautiful Langley, British
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Columbia at the Church in
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the Valley.
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Our special guest is
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Craig Cleveland.
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>> Whenever we think of Craig,
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we think of music.
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God has blessed Craig with the
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gift of being able to play,
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write, orchestrate, and
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conduct music.
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Craig, we are really looking
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forward to spending time with
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you today.
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Welcome to It Is Written
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Canada.
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>> It's my pleasure to be here.
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>> So, Craig, tell us about
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yourself and how you became
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interested in music.
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>> Well, it's kinda like,
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where do you begin, but I
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guess my first recollections
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of music are just my dad
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playing lots of music and
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every Sabbath morning or
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whenever he had the stereo
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going it was music, music, and
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usually violin music which was
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interesting to me because in
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high school he'd played the
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trumpet, or kinda played
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the trumpet.
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So, yeah, then I think Dad got
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pretty intentional about it,
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started taking me to concerts
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and I always liked the ones
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with the violins and so I have
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my parents to thank for that.
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My mother plays the piano
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beautifully and she would sing
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and Dad's a pastor so she
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would sing in church and
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that's kinda where it began.
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>> So what did your parents do?
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>> My dad's a pastor, my mom's
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a nurse and she always dreamed
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of being a missionary nurse
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and going off far, far away
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and marrying a pastor.
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So she married the pastor and
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then we were pastoring in
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North America and then finally
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Dad got a call Brazil and that
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didn't work out and then we
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got a call to Africa and to
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Africa we went.
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So it was pretty exciting.
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And at that point I had a
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violin and it went with me,
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but that's a different story.
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>> Tell us about the violin.
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Where did that come from?
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[CRAIG] OK, so, yeah we were
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living in New Hampshire for a
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few years of my life and Dad
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was taking me to these
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concerts and one time we went
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to a string quartet concert
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and I just remember we had a
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really close seat right up at
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the front and I just loved it,
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you know, it was so awesome,
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just great music, and we're
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driving home and I said to my
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dad, I said, "You know what?"
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"I really think I'd like to"
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"play the violin."
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Dad's like, "OK, I'll buy"
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"you one."
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And I remember that kind of
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shocked me 'cause it was like,
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you know, we didn't have a lot
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of money and buying me a
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violin, that was a big deal.
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So Dad was pretty resourceful
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and got looking around and
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calling around and he actually
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called a music guild rummage
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sale and they said,
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"We really don't sell"
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"instruments, but oh, there"
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"is one violin here and it'll"
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"be up in the auction."
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So he's like, "OK, I'm gonna"
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"come see it."
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So he grabbed a friend that
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was musical, played violin,
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and took me and this friend
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and we went down and looked at
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it and the friend's like,
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"Yeah, it seems like a pretty"
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"good violin."
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You know, I mean...
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So Dad put-- Dad couldn't be
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at the auction so I put in a
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sealed bid for $101 in an
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envelope and I asked them if
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they'd bid for him and they
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said, "Well, we really don't,"
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"but sure, I could do that."
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"Why not?"
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And they called us the night
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after the auction and said,
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"Hey, come and get"
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"your violin."
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>> Hundred and one dollars.
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[CRAIG] Hundred and one
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dollars.
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>> So tell us about
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that violin.
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>> Well, I played it for many,
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many, many years and it's a
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German-made copy of an Italian
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and, ultimately, when my wife
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and I had four children and
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they started playing violin,
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too, you know, it's a long way
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down the story, but my oldest
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son needed a great violin and
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he became concert master of an
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orchestra and so I let him use
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that violin and at some point
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it was appraised at around
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five to ten thousand dollars.
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And the bow, the bow that came
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with it is appraised for two
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or three thousand dollars.
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So it was a very
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well-spent $101.
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>> Wow, that's amazing.
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So, Craig, tell us how you
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passed this passion for music
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on to your children.
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>> Well, yeah, I mean, I was
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leading an orchestra and music
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was my whole life and teaching
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singers and all that kind of
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thing so in one way it was
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just by osmosis, I mean, you
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know, the kids went on tour
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everywhere we went, my wife
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came along and she plays
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cello, I play violin, my wife
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plays piano, too, and so, I
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mean, how could you avoid it,
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but we did really want them to
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get into it and I started
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violin when I was 11 and I
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know scientifically that if
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you start violin when you're
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three or four or five, you can
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go so much farther with it.
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So we started all of our kids
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at the age of four on violin.
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Our third kid was supposed to
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play cello, that was kind of
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our family arrangement, being
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in a string quartet, right, or
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close to it, but the contract
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cello teacher we had working
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with the orchestra at that
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time said, "I don't do"
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"children, I'm really sorry."
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"I have struggled to do teens."
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So we're driving home and our
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third son said, "Oh, don't"
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"worry, I wanna play violin"
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"like my brothers anyway,"
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"so I'll play violin."
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So we have four violinists.
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>> So James, when did he get
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his first violin?
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Like, how did that happen?
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He was four years old.
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>> Yeah, James was four years
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old so, you know, it's kinda
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like that oldest kid syndrome,
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Mom and Dad are thinking,
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"OK, how do we make this work"
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"and how do you get the kid"
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"to practice and what's this"
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"all gonna be like," so we
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said, "Look, you see the"
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"orchestra every night,"
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"you come down to practice,"
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"you go on tours with us,"
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"you know all about this,"
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"but if you wanna be a part"
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"of all that fun and games,"
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"then you should really make"
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"some money and buy a violin."
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And I kinda laugh now because
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I'm thinking, you know, we
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never even thought of doing
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that for our second son or our
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third son or our daughter, and
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of course we didn't have to
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because James' violin was
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already paid for, it was just
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sitting in the closet, but
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anyway, he did it at four
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years old, he started making
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bread and selling it to the
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neighbours and making muffins
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and selling in the dormitory
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and, you know, pretty soon
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he had $60 and we bought
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him an eBay violin.
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And, great little violin,
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it made four violinists.
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[MIKE] Wow, so he earned it at
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the age of four.
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So I know that you use your
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passion for music to draw
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people to Christ, to the
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gospel, to God, but you also
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now use it to produce songs
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that are scripture songs to
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help people to memorize the
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scriptures.
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Tell us about that.
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>> Well, to me, everything to
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do with the gospel is about
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God's word.
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God's word is, we'll read John
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1:1, 1-3, you know...
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And I believe it's not, and I
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know this is true, we all can
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see this in scripture, not
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only is God-- does God have
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the power to make the world
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that we're riding on right
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now, but to recreate a new
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heart inside you and me and
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that's the biggest thing
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because life is not about the
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here and now, life is about
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eternity, life's about
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eternity with Jesus and that's
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the most exciting thing and
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that experience can begin now
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if we invite Jesus into our
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hearts and this is all simple
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Christian fundamentals, but
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what better way to have that
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re-creative, life-giving power,
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the same power that made the
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world out of nothing is what
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makes a new heart in me every
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day if I simply invite Jesus
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into my heart.
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And so all that power is in
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His word and so if you can
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combine your passion for music
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with the Word, it's, to me
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it's the most exciting thing
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there is.
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>> Mm-hmm.
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So, Craig, you have a lot of
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people that have helped you to
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make this project a reality.
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[CRAIG] Mm-hmm.
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One of them that jumps out at
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me is Jodi Eulene Patterson
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and when I got the violin,
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I was living in New Hampshire,
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we lived there for five years,
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and during that period of
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time, we had a neighbour who
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was this older lady who loved
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to write scripture songs.
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And I remember once she was
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visiting in Alabama and she's
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out on a walk and it was
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raining and she gets this
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great inspiration of a melody
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and so she grabbed a stick and
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she wrote in the Georgia-- in
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the Alabama clay, you know,
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wrote out the notes and then
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came back later when it was
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done raining with a notebook
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and copied it all down.
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So Jodi and I go way back to
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when I was six years old,
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she's still alive, she's still
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just passionate about music
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and so over the years she
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wrote hundreds and hundreds
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and hundreds and hundreds of
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songs and about five years ago
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I approached her and said,
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"We have a youth congress"
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"coming up and they want the"
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"book of James set to music."
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"Could you do it?"
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>> The whole book of James?
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[CRAIG] The whole book of
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James.
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[MIKE] Wow!
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[CRAIG] And we never thought
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about it, I mean, she had
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written all of 1 Corinthians
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13 to music and some large,
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you know, Psalms 91 and some
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of the larger portions, but a
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whole book, that was
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a big deal.
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But she said, "Well, I'll"
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"pray about it."
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And she called me back a few
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days later, she said, "I think"
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"God wants me to do that."
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So, and that has been on our
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Scripture Singer app for a
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long time, it's still there, I
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love it, it takes about 25
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minutes to sing the whole book.
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And I say that so you
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understand when I came back to
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her a few years later and
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said-- I always call her
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Eulene because that's the name
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I use, her name is Jodi Eulene
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Patterson, but she went by
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Eulene when I was younger, so
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I said, "Eulene..."
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"I know that James is a big"
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"project, but I love history"
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"and when we read history,"
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"we learn that the Waldensian"
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"children could recite the"
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"entire gospel of Matthew,"
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"every one of them, by the"
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"age of four, and if they"
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"needed it in the dark ages,"
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"we certainly need it at the"
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"end of time, so would you"
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"write the entire book of"
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"Matthew to music?"
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And she says, "Oh, I needed a"
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"few days to pray about"
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"writing James, let me have"
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"a few weeks to think about"
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"this one," so...
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So she finally got back to me,
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she says, "Well, I don't--"
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"I won't say 'yes,' but I'll"
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"say, 'I'll try.'"
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And you have to understand
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that, like, chapter 26, we've
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just got the audio track for
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it done and it's like 45
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minutes long, one chapter.
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So one chapter from the gospel
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of Matthew is almost twice as
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long as the entire book of
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James, anyway, and there's 28
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chapters in Matthew.
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So, anyway, it's a work in
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progress, but praise God, she
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wrote the entire thing, I
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believe it's just phenomenal
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music, the first seven
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chapters are on the app, the
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next five are soon to be on
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the app and we have a team
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this summer recording more and
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more of the audio for it and
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we hope in a year or two to
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have it done.
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And I say a year or two and
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that may sound like a long
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time, but it's a massive
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project.
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>> Craig, you already referred
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to John chapter 1, very
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important chapter, "In the"
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"beginning was the word..."
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And so why don't we just
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listen to that right now, one
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that you produced and listen
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to the guys singing that song.
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>> That'd be great.
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>> In the beginning...
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In the beginning...
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¤In the beginning was the Word
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¤and the Word was with God
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¤and the Word was God
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¤the Word was God
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¤The same was in the
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¤beginning with God
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¤All things were made by Him
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¤And without Him
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¤was not anything made
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¤not anything
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¤In Him was life
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¤and the life was the
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¤light of men
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¤in Him was life
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¤and the life was the
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¤light of men
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¤and the light shineth in
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¤darkness and the darkness
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¤comprehended it not
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¤In the beginning was the Word
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¤and the Word was with God
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¤the Word was God
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¤Amen
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>> Craig, that was such a
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powerful song and such an easy
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way to learn and to memorize
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scripture.
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>> Yeah, well, that's why our
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tagline is "All you've got"
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"to do is listen."
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And it's true, I mean, if
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people will just open the app
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and listen to it while they
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drive to work or while they're
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jogging or while they're doing
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laundry or while you're eating
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dinner or any time you got
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down time, just turn it on and
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there's easy playlists so you
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can set it up to learn
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whatever you wanna learn,
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"Oh, here's all the ones I"
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"wanna learn," or there's
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different topics, "I wanna"
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"learn this topic or that"
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"topic or this interests me"
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"or that interests me,"
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it's set up so you can just
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get it to play that to you
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all the time.
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All you've gotta do is listen
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and pretty soon you've got
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God's word memorized.
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It really is that simple.
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You can sing along, too,
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that's great, too.
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You can read along, too, that
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doesn't hurt and we're not
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against that, but I'm just
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saying that we've realized
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that a lot of people have busy
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lives like I do and, I mean, I
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don't have time to sit on the
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couch and watch it.
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Oh, maybe in worship we'll
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sing with our kids or
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whatever, but most of my time
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for Scripture Singers is when
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I'm driving and so I can't
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look at it or do anything but
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hear it and yet, it's easy.
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[MIKE] It does go in, yes, and
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it works very much for myself,
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René and I would go downstairs
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and, you know, where we have a
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place where we can exercise
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and we do that in the morning,
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first thing, and we just play
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Scripture Singer and...
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>> Wow.
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>> That's the thing for me and
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it just, you know, I hear
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God's word.
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[CRAIG] Amen.
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>> So what is the mission of
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Scripture Singer?
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>> Our mission is to take
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God's word and just make it
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personal, really personal.
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I mean, why did the
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Waldensians teach their
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children by the age of four to
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have in memory the entire
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gospel of Matthew?
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It's because they knew
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they would need it and we
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need it, too.
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And when I think of your
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ministry, It Is Written, where
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does that come from?
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Those are the words of Jesus
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to Satan in the temptation
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and what was He quoting?
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"It is written," the Bible.
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And so the Bible, I mean,
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we're told that God's word is
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so powerful, it's God speaking
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to us as if we could listen to
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His voice.
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And so when we believe that
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and we know that, then why not
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take Bible study as far as we
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can, let's put it right in our
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minds so that we don't even
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have to open the pages, we
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have it there.
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And that's because every
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single verse in every chapter
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of the Bible is a revelation
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of Jesus and Jesus is our
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saviour and Jesus is our
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inspiration and Jesus gives us
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that life power, I mean, the
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Bible says that we're washed
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by the Word, you know, we're--
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doctrine comes from the Word,
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all good things come from the
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Word, the creative power to
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make me new, on and on.
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We keep-- I don't wanna re-say
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everything I've already said,
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but if the word of God is that
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good, and it is, then why not
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get it as close to us as
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possible so it's always there,
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always available, no one can
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ever take it away.
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They could put you in prison or
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they could do anything to you,
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as history tells us, but if
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you have God's word stored in
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your mind, you have that
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life-giving power right there.
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Why not?
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>> And it's almost like you're
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having a two-way conversation
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with God, not just you
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speaking to Him, but He's
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actually speaking to you
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through His word and so it
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makes it so personal.
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>> Absolutely, yeah.
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And all scripture is
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profitable, right, for
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doctrine, for reproof, yeah,
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for correction, for teaching
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in righteousness,
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all scripture.
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>> Yeah, yep.
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It's interesting, that one
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scripture you just mentioned,
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I was at work one time, and I
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do all kinds of things for
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work these days and I was
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actually doing dry wall and I
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was thinking, "This is just,"
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"like, really boring."
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And I was working all alone
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and if you know me, I hate to
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be alone, but anyway, and I
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actually just said, "Lord,"
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"what am I doing this for?"
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And immediately God
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impressed me, "Well..."
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"what about scripture?"
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I'm like, "Oh, yes, I need a"
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"melody for this."
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So I'm like, "Lord, if You can
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"do something for me today, I"
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"really need it," and I'm
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drywall-sanding away, you
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know, "Give me a melody for"
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"that 'All scripture is given"
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"by inspiration,'" and He did.
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And so God is good and that's
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the thing, when you talk about
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scripture singing, you have to
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recognize there's miracle
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after miracle after miracle
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and it's not just me, there
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are volunteers all over that
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make this thing happen and
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miracle after miracle, whether
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it's giving money so we can
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film it or inspiring, you
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know, giving money so we can
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pay somebody to sing it or
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whatever it is, God has opened
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many, many, many doors and
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it's just really exciting.
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>> So, Craig, can you tell us
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where this idea of singing
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scripture came from?
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>> Well, for me, I mean, I--
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the first recollections I ever
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have of it was Jodi Eulene
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Patterson, she was our
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neighbour, I'm six years old
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and she's writing scripture
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songs all the time and she'd
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come to church or to vespers
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and always teaching new songs
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so that's where the idea there
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came in.
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When I was in my early 30's,
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that's when I got the idea
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that, "Wait a minute, with"
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"the advance of technology,"
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"cassettes are outdated,"
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"forget that," that's the only
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place that her music was,
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"we need it on an app."
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Forget CD's, let's go right to
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the app, you have the app then
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it's free to everybody and so
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that was-- and I took that
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idea to the youth orchestra in
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Canada where I was working at
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that point and said to the
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kids, "Hey, I know you guys"
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"are all talented and if"
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"there's anybody that can do"
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"media stuff it's gonna be"
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"you guys in your generation."
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"Is there anybody that could"
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"make an app?"
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And I said, "If you think so,"
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"come and see me."
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And afterwards, a young fellow
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by the name of Matthew Dietel
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came forward and said,
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"You know, I've never done"
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"anything like this before,"
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"but I do like computers so"
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"I'd like to give it a try."
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And I'll tell you something,
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we have paid a lot of money to
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a lot of developers in the
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years that have followed since
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that very early beginning, but
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Matthew Dietel's app went to
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Apple and was never ever
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rejected and Matthew Dietel's
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app worked really, really well.
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So God blessed a 16-year-old
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with the gifts he'd never had
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before to do it.
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So it's exciting to partner
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with God and do something like
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this because you have to, you
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can't do it by yourself, only
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God can inspire people to give
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and do all these things or
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give the melodies or whatever
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it is or to give the ability
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to write the app, but that's
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part of the exciting part is
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that you see God leading.
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>> And it's not just you, it
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is much bigger, there's so
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many people involved.
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[CRAIG] That's right.
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>> And so let's listen to
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another song where we can see
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some young people singing again
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a scripture song.
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[gentle guitar music]
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¤The Lord is my light
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¤and my salvation
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¤Whom shall I fear
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¤The Lord is the strength
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¤of my life
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¤Of whom shall I be afraid
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¤When the wicked
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¤even mine enemies and my foes
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¤came upon me
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¤they stumbled and fell
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¤Though an host should
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¤encamp against me
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¤my heart shall not fear
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¤Though war should rise
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¤against me
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¤in this will I be confident
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¤One thing have I
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¤desired of the Lord
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¤that will I seek after
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¤That I may dwell
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¤in the house of the Lord
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¤all the days of my life
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¤To behold the beauty
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¤of the Lord
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¤and to enquire in His temple
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¤For in the time of trouble
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¤He shall hide me
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¤in His pavilion
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¤In the secret of His
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¤tabernacle shall He hide me
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¤He shall set me up
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¤upon a rock
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¤He shall hide me
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>> I just love listening to
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scripture and it really does
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speak to my heart.
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So how has it spoken to you
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personally, Craig?
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When you listen to these
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songs, I mean, you produced
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them, but I know you also
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listen to them.
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How have they benefited you?
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>> Well, it really is a
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blessing to be involved
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because, you know, every
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single song that's come
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through I've had the privilege
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of editing it or listening to
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it or proofing it or, you
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know, and-- but honestly, it
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is such a blessing.
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I just went through Matthew 8,
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so many truths are just
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leaping out at you and I know
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even the young people involved,
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they're singing it or playing
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the piano for it or filming it
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and they say, you know, we--
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it's changing, which is
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powerful.
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And I know for me, personally,
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if I ever get discouraged...
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I've just always found that if
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I just go and turn on the app
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and let it start playing,
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there's power and it's God
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speaking and God always speaks
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peace and He speaks hope and
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He speaks joy and it's
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that simple.
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So I just praise God for
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Scripture Singer and I know
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for me, personally, too, when
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it comes to, you know, if
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you're talking with people and
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I work with people of all
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walks of life, many
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non-Christians, and yet you
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get talking about things that
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are spiritual or they ask you,
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why you're a Christian or
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whatever, I find, personally,
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it's the verses that I've
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memorized that come to mind
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and again, that's just
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logical, that's why Scripture
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Singer exists, to put in our
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minds so it's right there.
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If someone asks you a
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question, you say, "Oh, I got"
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"a book in my car, just a"
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"minute," and you run get your
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Bible, no, you're gonna say,
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"Hey, didn't you know that it"
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"says this in the Bible," or
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this or that.
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And for me, personally, it's
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been the book of James.
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I really love the book of
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James, having memorized all of
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that as a family together and,
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you know, it's-- the book of
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James is just the succinct
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picture of the whole gospel
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and so just about everything
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you need can be found in the
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book of James and since we, as
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a family, memorized the whole
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thing, that was a real
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blessing.
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And I know even, just a
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practical tip, too, as a
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family, we wanna have family
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worship and we did a lot of
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travelling, a lot of times we
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would have worship in the
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dark, driving, and we just
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sing the book of James.
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And so it's just so handy.
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And then you stop, you get
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done with the whole thing, 25
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minutes later and you say,
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"Alright, what did we learn?"
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And the kids are talking,
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"Oh, this, that or whatever,"
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and it's there; how to treat
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other people, what to deal
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with pride, giving offerings,
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and where does everything
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good come from?
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Well, it's from God, it's all
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in the book of James, but
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whatever passage you want to
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memorize, it's just-- once
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you've got it right there in
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your mind, it's such a
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blessing.
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I did have a friend at work
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who came to me and said,
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"I've left the faith of my"
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"childhood and I know that's"
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"not the answer, but I would"
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"like to know, how can I get"
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"from here to heaven and"
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"avoid hell," and so I said,
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"Well, the Bible's the answer."
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And then, you know, we work
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together every day and a few
00:25:46.74\00:25:47.98
weeks later he realized I am
00:25:47.98\00:25:49.24
involved with Scripture Singer
00:25:49.24\00:25:50.71
and it's my passion and I
00:25:50.71\00:25:52.05
spend all my free time doing
00:25:52.05\00:25:53.62
it and so he's like,
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"Well, hey, I need the app!"
00:25:55.42\00:25:57.09
"You said the Bible's the"
00:25:57.09\00:25:58.35
"answer, so I should be"
00:25:58.35\00:25:59.65
"listening to Scripture Singer"
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"while I drive to work!"
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And I said, "Yes, you should,"
00:26:02.09\00:26:03.29
"that'd be great!"
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So what a blessing and-- but,
00:26:04.86\00:26:06.66
again, it's not just that it's
00:26:06.66\00:26:08.40
God's word, but music.
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I mean, Jesus sang the
00:26:09.90\00:26:11.20
scriptures, David sang the
00:26:11.20\00:26:12.57
scriptures, the Israelites
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sang so this is Biblical.
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>> It's so much easier to
00:26:17.04\00:26:18.71
store up God's word in your
00:26:18.71\00:26:20.11
heart, right, when you're
00:26:20.11\00:26:21.71
listening to it as a song,
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right?
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>> Yes.
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>> And so Jesus, He used it as
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a weapon against temptation
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in the wilderness with Satan.
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And so He said, "It is"
00:26:33.15\00:26:34.86
"written, man shall not live"
00:26:34.86\00:26:36.29
"by bread alone, but by every"
00:26:36.29\00:26:37.73
"word that proceeds out of"
00:26:37.73\00:26:39.13
"the mouth of God."
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>> Amen, amen.
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>> Craig, this has been so
00:26:41.50\00:26:43.00
much fun, but unfortunately we
00:26:43.00\00:26:44.20
have come to the end of
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our program.
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I wonder if you could please
00:26:47.14\00:26:48.24
pray for us.
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>> Sure.
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Heavenly Father, thank You so
00:26:51.87\00:26:53.64
much for Your Holy Word and
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thank You for this opportunity
00:26:55.68\00:26:56.85
to share about Scripture
00:26:56.85\00:26:58.31
Singer and, Lord, I just pray
00:26:58.31\00:26:59.58
that others can be inspired to
00:26:59.58\00:27:01.58
sing and memorize Your Holy
00:27:01.58\00:27:03.72
Word, Lord, and may it
00:27:03.72\00:27:04.95
bless them.
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We thank You and we pray all
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these things in Jesus'
00:27:07.36\00:27:08.62
precious name, amen.
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[MIKE] Amen.
00:27:10.49\00:27:12.49
Craig, you've really blessed
00:27:12.49\00:27:13.86
us and thank you for sharing
00:27:13.86\00:27:15.30
with us about Scripture Singer
00:27:15.30\00:27:17.20
and also sharing your
00:27:17.20\00:27:18.47
own story.
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>> It's been my pleasure.
00:27:19.73\00:27:21.10
>> Friends, as Craig shared
00:27:23.41\00:27:25.34
with us today, the Word of God
00:27:25.34\00:27:27.81
is the source of wisdom and
00:27:27.81\00:27:29.94
truth that we can always
00:27:29.94\00:27:31.51
count on.
00:27:31.51\00:27:32.95
So we want to help you
00:27:32.95\00:27:34.55
understand God's word, the
00:27:34.55\00:27:36.45
Bible, for yourself,
00:27:36.45\00:27:38.05
even better.
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Our free offer for you today
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is a set of Bible study guides.
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word or Bible prophecy, these
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We want you to experience the
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words of Jesus when He said,
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"It is written..."
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