[MIKE] Welcome to It Is
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Written Canada.
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Thank you for joining us in
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beautiful Kelowna, British
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Columbia.
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Our special guest again is Don
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Straub, a practising clinical
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counsellor who helps people
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struggling with everyday
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problems by giving them
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powerful, practical solutions.
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>> Don is going to look at
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healthy and unhealthy ways of
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expressing anger and is also
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going to examine the question:
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Are we in the hands
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of an angry God?
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Don, welcome back to It Is
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Written Canada.
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>> Thank you.
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I'm pleased to be able to
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share with you today.
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>> Don, we're gonna be talking
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about anger, do a lot of your
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clients come to you with
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anger issues?
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>> Actually, I get a lot of
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clients that come because they
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don't know how to manage their
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anger, it seems to be out
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of control.
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But I get a lot of other
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clients that come for other
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reasons like depression,
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anxiety, and even couples who
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come for counselling.
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But after we get into the
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counselling process, many of
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them discover that anger is
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probably the root or cause of
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these other symptoms, we could
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call it.
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[RENÉ] So you're saying that
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anger is the source, don't
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people know that they're angry?
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>> Well, there's some that do,
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but-- and they're too ashamed
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to admit it, they don't like
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to talk about their anger, but
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there's others that I believe
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they don't even know
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they're angry.
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Have you ever heard someone
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go, "I'm not angry!"
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You see, some of us pretend
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we're not angry, we suppress
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it, we're not mindful of this
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anger and then there are
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others that don't have the
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typical fireworks kind of
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anger, you know, like, just...
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"bang," you know, yelling,
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screaming anger.
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There are people who hold
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their anger in, they stuff it,
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they keep it hidden.
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Some of those people can hold
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that anger in for years.
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And then there's others that,
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you know, like, you shake a
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can of pop and explodes?
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So they'll stuff it and then
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they'll explode with their
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anger and stuff it some more
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and then explode and usually
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they explode it on innocent
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people that haven't really
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done much, you know,
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to hurt them.
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You know, I've had an
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experience where it really
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opened my eyes to the power of
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the anger that I have, the
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potential that I have
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within me.
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>> Don, are you willing to
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share that?
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>> Sure I would.
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I had asked one of my son's
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teachers to let me know if my
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son was struggling in math and
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one day he came home with his
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report card and there was an
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"F" on his report card.
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And I became angry, but I
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didn't want my son to see me
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angry so I stuffed my anger
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and went on with the rest of
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the evening.
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Then I realized I was a little
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late for a church meeting that
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I was the platform chairman
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for so I dashed out to the
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garage, got in my car, looked
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at my rear view mirror and I
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just shoved it in reverse and
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backed out as fast as I could
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and I-- "Bang!"
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I looked to my left and I had
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bent my car door backwards as
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it struck the garage door.
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>> You left it open.
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[DON] I had left it open.
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And that's when I become aware
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of the fact that anger is like
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being drunk.
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And then later when I did my
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studying in counselling, I
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began to realize that when
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we're angry, our heart rate's
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up, we're flooded, we don't
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see everything, we don't hear
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everything, and we're
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certainly not thinking
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logically or rationally in
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those moments.
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>> So, Don, you have titled
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what you're sharing with us
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right now, "In the Hands of"
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"an Angry God."
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Is God really an angry God?
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>> I don't believe He is in
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the sense that He's constantly
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enraged or something like that.
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The thing about scripture is
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there are 44 verses that tell
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us that God has this emotion
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of anger and I'm gonna talk
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about why that is in a bit.
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But the reason I titled this
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talk with "In the Hands of"
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"an Angry God," is because it
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comes from the title of a
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sermon by Pastor Jonathan
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Edwards back in 1741.
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Apparently this sermon started
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a revival around the world.
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But I have to agree with Brian
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Zahnd who said that,
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I wanna share with you one
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paragraph from this
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famous sermon.
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He says, "The God that holds"
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>> Wow, so how do you
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reconcile that with what the
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scriptures teach about God
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being love?
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[DON] I can't.
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When I think of being a
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father, like, how can any kind
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of a God take pleasure
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torturing his children
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like this?
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How can any father even think
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of his children like this?
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I mean, I'm the father of
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four, the grandfather of
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twelve, there's no way I
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picture any of my children or
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grandchildren like this.
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It does not makes sense.
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>> So, Don, what is anger?
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Isn't it an emotion?
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[DON] That's all anger is.
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It's simply an emotion.
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The thing about emotions is
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that all the emotions, except
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for shame which I'll talk
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about later, have a purpose.
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Every emotion can be thought
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of as an action signal.
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It's a signal to take some
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kind of action.
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Anger is an action signal to
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protect yourself and the
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people you love from injustice.
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Whenever there's an injustice,
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such as, let's say I see
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racism happening, if I don't
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have the emotion of anger when
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I see that injustice, in
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counselling we would call that
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sociopathic or psychopathic
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because I have no feelings
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of injustice.
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So it's appropriate to be
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angry when there's injustice.
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And then I have to think, no
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wonder God get's angry, no
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wonder there are 44 verses
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that say God has the emotion
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of anger.
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I mean, who but God sees so
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much injustice going on in
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this world?
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See, it's not about the anger,
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it's how we express that anger
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that really counts.
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>> So, Don, are you saying
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that there are different ways
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in which we can express
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this anger?
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[DON] Yes.
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>> So can you explain
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what that looks like?
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>> There are actually four
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ways of expressing anger.
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Three of them are very
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unhealthy usually and
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inappropriate usually,
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and one very healthy, almost
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always appropriate.
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Let's talk about passive anger
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an unhealthy expression of
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anger generally, passive anger
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is when you stuff it, you hold
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it in, hold it down and you
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kinda pretend you're not angry.
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People who express anger
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passively, they're not really
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respecting themselves, they're
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just respecting everybody else
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'cause they're not willing to
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speak up for themselves, to
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protect themselves, to set a
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boundary to protect themselves.
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Let's take aggressive anger,
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that's kind of the one we're
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familiar with, right?
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The fireworks, the loud.
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The aggressive anger doesn't
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respect other people, only the
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person who's expressing it.
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The aggressive, angry person
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wants to have control, they
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wanna control others, they
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want to intimidate them.
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Then there's this insidious
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combination of the two called
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passive-aggressive expressions
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of anger, kind of a
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combination of the worst parts
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of both of those.
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And the thing about
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passive-aggressive anger is it
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can be couched or hidden.
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Like, it can be hidden as
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humour: "I was only joking."
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Or sarcasm, they think they're
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funny by being sarcastic, but
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it's really cutting.
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Or gossip, gossip is really a
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passive-aggressive because
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you're not willing to express
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your anger to the person
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you're angry at, but you'll
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talk about 'em behind
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their back.
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Or some kind of anonymous
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forms of anger all come under
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the heading of
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"passive-aggressive anger."
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>> So, Don, what is the
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healthy, appropriate way of
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expressing your anger then?
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>> There is an appropriate way
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and we call it "assertiveness."
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Now, a lot of people are
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afraid of that word because
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they think assertiveness is
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like an aggressive kind of
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anger, but it's not at all.
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Assertiveness is not a way to
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get your own way.
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An assertive person really
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believes that they're only in
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charge of their own behaviour
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and that others are in charge
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of their behaviour.
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So the assertive person
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respects them self and
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others equally.
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The assertive person is
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willing to put boundaries on
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themselves to protect
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themselves from being harmed,
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but they're willing to speak
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their truth, but when they do
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speak their truth, they speak
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it respectfully and they
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respect other people's
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opinions as well.
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>> So can it really be that
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simple, just be assertive all
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the time?
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>> It's not simple, to tell
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you the truth, it's not simple
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and I have-- I'm being very
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sort of short here.
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My book goes into great detail
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about all of these four types
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of expressions of anger.
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But just to say a little bit
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about that; you see, sometimes
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it's appropriate to be passive.
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If someone really has a gun to
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your head and says, "Hand me"
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"your wallet," be passive,
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give him your wallet.
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This is not a time for an
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assertive conversation.
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And you know that police
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sometimes have to become
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aggressive to take down
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dangerous people to protect us.
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So it's not always that easy.
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The other problem is this:
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assertiveness is a skill to be
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learned and practised and
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they're not teaching this in
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schools, unfortunately.
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So most of us don't know much
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about how to be assertive.
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I do workshops on
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assertiveness skills.
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But you can learn all the
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skills, how to say the right
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words, when to say them,
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etcetera, etcetera.
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But there's another problem as
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we talked about in prior
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episodes, we get flooded, we
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get triggered, we get into
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this "fight, flight, or freeze"
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in an instant and our
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heart-rates go up, we're
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flooded, we don't see
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everything, we don't hear
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everything, we're not thinking
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rationally and our emotions
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take over and we become
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flooded, aggressive,
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passive-aggressive or
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even passive.
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Fight, flight, or freeze is
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really what those three are.
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>> So, Don, can you tell us
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more about how this works?
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>> Sure.
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I developed the iceberg model
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because the iceberg, as you
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probably know, we only see
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10 to 15% of an iceberg, 85 or
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90% of the iceberg is below
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the surface.
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What we see is what we call it
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"the tip of the iceberg" and
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these are our behaviours.
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We see people behave in
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certain ways.
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Self-defeating behaviours,
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what the Bible calls, "sin,"
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are things like your
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addictions, fighting, fight,
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flight, and freeze often are
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self-defeating behaviours,
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whereas life-enhancing
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behaviours are loving actions,
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caring, honouring, respecting.
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But behind or below the
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surface of self-defeating
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behaviours is the emotion
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of anger.
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Now it's just below the
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surface, we can't see anger
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because it's an emotion, we
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only see how it's expressed
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in our behaviours.
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But anger is really a
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secondary emotion most of the
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time, which means there are
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primary emotion or emotions
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behind the anger; fear,
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sadness, guilt, shame is the
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big one.
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Shame is an emotion that often
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affects how the anger comes
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out, how it's expressed.
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Now, I could have put the
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word, "guilt," here as well as
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the word, "shame," because the
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Bible really doesn't
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differentiate between these
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two words, "guilt" and "shame."
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They feel the same.
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They feel identical.
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So it's really a matter of
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definitions here because guilt
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is when I've done something to
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hurt somebody, it's an action,
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it's a behaviour, I do
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something so I feel guilt.
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However, shame is false guilt.
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I haven't done anything wrong,
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but I feel guilty.
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So you can see that would
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serve no purpose, remember I
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said shame is the one emotion
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that serves no purpose.
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Why would false guilt serve
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any purpose?
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But shame is that big culprit
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because shame isn't about what
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I have done, shame is about a
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belief of who I am and so we
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go back to those negative
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beliefs, those untruthful lies
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that we come to believe, like,
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"I'm not important, I'm not"
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"worthy, I'm not good enough,"
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"I'm stupid, I'm ugly."
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All of these beliefs, these
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negative beliefs, actually
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create the emotion of shame.
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If you wanna define shame it's
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basically a very painful
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emotion or experience that we
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get when we believe we're not
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good enough or we're flawed
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and we don't belong.
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But the thing about these
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negative beliefs is they come
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from some kind of experience
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that we've had in the past.
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We call them "core wounds."
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Remember Johnny when his dad
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yelled at him and told him
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these scary things that Johnny
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was so hurt by?
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And Johnny had this core wound
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from his father and he started
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to believe he was stupid, that
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he was not a good person, and
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when those beliefs come up in
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our minds, they create the
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emotion of shame and anger is
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actually an anaesthetic to pain,
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an anaesthetic to pain and
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shame is actually a pain and
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the unconscious brain does not
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differentiate between physical
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pain and emotional pain.
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I mean, our logical brains do,
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but the conscious brain reacts
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from this emotion of pain with
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this emotion of anger because
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it's just like we touched a
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hot stove, we immediately go
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to anger and when there's
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shame behind the anger, that
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anger comes out in these
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self-defeating methods or
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expressions.
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>> So where does sadness and
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fear and guilt come into the
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iceberg model?
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>> So what we need to know
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here is that our society has
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sort of programmed us,
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especially men, for a man to
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feel sad is shaming, it's like
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I'm not-- I'm weak,
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I'm not good enough.
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For a man to feel afraid
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creates shame, "I'm not strong"
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"enough, I should be a man."
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"Real men don't get afraid."
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You see?
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And so when we-- we can go
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from sadness, immediately to
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shame, and then to anger.
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>> So, Don, let me see if I
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understand the definitions
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between shame and guilt and
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how they differ.
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So guilt-- so what you're
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saying, really, is that guilt
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is how you're feeling, like
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you're guilty 'cause you've
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done something bad, but shame
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is a label: "You are bad,"
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"I am bad, I'm not a"
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"good person."
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[DON] Exactly.
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And the reason it's important
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to get this difference is
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because we have to treat each
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of these differently.
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So as a counsellor, I need to
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help my clients, if they're
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actually feeling true guilt,
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this is where they need to
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forgive, they need to
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apologize, make amends
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because this is how we
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heal guilt.
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But you can't treat false
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guilt that way, you have to
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treat it differently.
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Remember shame is false guilt,
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it's based on labels, who I
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believe I am and those are
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lies, that is where we have to
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tell ourselves the truth,
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that's how we treat shame,
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we recognize that I'm
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believing a lie right now, I
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need to say the truth about
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myself, "I am important,"
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"I do matter, I am worthy,"
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"I'm a child of God."
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>> So this is, like you said,
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really treated differently in
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your counselling.
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So how has this helped and how
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do you treat this as a
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counsellor?
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>> Actually, it's very much
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more complicated than even how
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I've expressed it, but that's
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one of the things I do, that
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type of therapy, right?
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I use forgiveness therapy as a
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way of letting go and I'm
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gonna talk about that in depth
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in a future episode, and I use
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cognitive behavioural therapy
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to address the shame.
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But, you see, besides this
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core wound, we get this core
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wound, right, from somebody,
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and sometimes, in fact most
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often, a core wound is
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traumatizing and we get
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different levels of PTSD, Post
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Traumatic Stress Disorder,
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from some of the wounds that
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people have caused us.
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And so, as a counsellor, I
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have to treat the root of this
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shame, the root of the
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negative belief and that's
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generally some kind of trauma.
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And I have special therapies
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that I've been trained in as a
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trauma counsellor to help
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people get free of the pain of
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that trauma, it's another
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layer even below that needs to
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be treated so they don't get
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triggered.
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>> And you've talked about a
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lot of that in your book and
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how effective that is.
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So before we close, can we
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talk about God's anger?
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[DON] Right, we need to come
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back to that.
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So we know that God has anger,
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but you could also see right
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now that surely God does not
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feel shame or guilt or fear,
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these aren't the things that
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are below God's anger.
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So God has the ability to
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express anger appropriately,
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assertively, if you will,
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and really, what does God do
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with His anger?
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He forgives.
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Let me share something
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with you.
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This is the heart of God.
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Jesus said...
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Jonathan Edwards talked as if
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God was our worst enemy,
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but God says, "I wanna be"
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"your friends, not just your"
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"father, but your friend."
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So this is so important to
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understand the character
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of God.
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The truth is God loves us
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and God's love is a
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sacrificial love, a love
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that will never let us go.
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¤Oh love that will not
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¤let me go
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¤I rest my weary soul in thee
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¤I give thee back
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¤the life I owe
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¤That in thine ocean depths
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¤its flow
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¤May richer, fuller be
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¤Oh joy that seekest me
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¤through pain
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¤I cannot close my heart
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¤to thee
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¤I trace the rainbow
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¤through the rain
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¤And feel the promise
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¤is not vain
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¤That morn shall tearless be
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¤Ooo
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¤Oh cross that liftest up
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¤my head
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¤I dare not ask to fly
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¤from thee
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¤I lay in dust's life's
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¤glory dead
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¤And from the ground
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¤there blossoms red
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¤Life that shall endless be
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>> So we know that God is love
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and we know that God has
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chosen to run His universe on
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this principle of love and
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freedom because without
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freedom there can be no love.
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And we know that God has the
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emotion of anger and what I've
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found in the book of Romans,
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chapter 1 is kind of a series
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of verses that really shows us
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how God prefers to show His
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anger, to express His anger.
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And it starts with this,
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it says...
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And then there are verses that
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tell how He shows it.
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It goes on like this...
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Another verse...
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And a third one...
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That is a God of freedom
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because God knows you can't
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force people to love Him.
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Love must only come when you
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have freedom, the choice
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to choose.
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Jesus showed us what it means
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to love when He said, "Father,"
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"forgive these people, they do"
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"not know what they're doing."
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He said those words when they
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were nailing Him to a cross.
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These are the words of a
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loving God, a God that wants
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to be our friend.
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He wants to reconcile with us.
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You see, we're not talking
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about an angry father
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torturing His son for our sins.
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Never.
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Listen, it says...
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That's the God who wants to be
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our friends.
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Is God an angry God?
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No, a thousand times no!
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We are in the hands of a
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loving God.
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>> Don, thank you so much for
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that beautiful picture that
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you have painted of God's love
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and Him wanting to be our
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friend because He loves us so
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much and cares for us so much.
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Before we end, I wonder if you
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could please pray for us.
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>> For sure.
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Father God, You have revealed
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Your character through Your
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Son, Jesus Christ, who came
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and lived on this earth as a
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man and yet as God.
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Thank You for this offer of
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friendship that you've
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extended to us.
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I just pray for all those
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listening would reach out
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and take Your hand and choose
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this friendship.
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In Jesus name, I pray, amen.
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[MIKE] Amen, amen.
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Don, thank you so much for
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presenting such a beautiful
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picture of God and next time
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we're gonna be talking about
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how to deal with deep hurt.
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>> Mm-hmm.
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>> Friends, as Don Straub
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shared with us, God is not
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only a God of love, but a God
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of freedom and we want to give
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you a chance to learn more
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about this freedom by sending
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you our free offer today which
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is Don Straub's book entitled,
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Bridges To Freedom: Creating
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Change Through Science and
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Christian Spirituality.
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>> So you can move closer to
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the Lord, get past your
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mistakes, and learn life
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lessons with the essential
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bridges to freedom described
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in this book.
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>> We want you to experience
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the truth that is found in the
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words of Jesus when He said,
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"It is written, man shall not"
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"live by bread alone, but by"
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"every word that proceeds out"
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"of the mouth of God."
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