[RENÉ] Welcome to It Is 00:00:47.28\00:00:48.61 Written Canada. 00:00:48.61\00:00:50.55 Thank you for joining us in 00:00:50.55\00:00:52.21 beautiful Kelowna, British 00:00:52.21\00:00:54.08 Columbia. 00:00:54.08\00:00:55.38 Our special guest again is Don 00:00:55.38\00:00:57.65 Straub, a practising clinical 00:00:57.65\00:00:59.89 counsellor who helps people 00:00:59.89\00:01:01.69 struggling with everyday 00:01:01.69\00:01:03.32 problems by giving them 00:01:03.32\00:01:05.23 powerful, practical solutions. 00:01:05.23\00:01:07.83 >> Don is going to look at the 00:01:07.83\00:01:09.30 topic of acceptable addictions 00:01:09.30\00:01:11.13 Don, welcome back to It Is 00:01:11.13\00:01:13.17 Written Canada. 00:01:13.17\00:01:14.44 >> Thank you for this 00:01:14.44\00:01:15.60 great opportunity to be on 00:01:15.60\00:01:16.71 your program. 00:01:16.71\00:01:18.24 >> Don, let me begin by asking 00:01:18.24\00:01:20.44 you, what do you mean by an 00:01:20.44\00:01:22.58 acceptable addiction? 00:01:22.58\00:01:24.68 >> Our society, unfortunately, 00:01:25.25\00:01:27.32 stereotypes addiction and 00:01:27.32\00:01:29.12 especially people with 00:01:29.12\00:01:30.39 addictions. 00:01:30.39\00:01:32.12 So many people just look down 00:01:32.12\00:01:33.52 their noses at people with 00:01:33.52\00:01:34.99 addiction when really the 00:01:34.99\00:01:36.52 truth is most of us are 00:01:36.52\00:01:38.33 addicted to something. 00:01:38.33\00:01:40.16 It may be food, gambling, 00:01:40.16\00:01:42.80 shopping, social media, 00:01:42.80\00:01:46.03 TV-watching, Netflix, video 00:01:46.03\00:01:48.47 games, and my acceptable 00:01:48.47\00:01:50.54 addiction: work. 00:01:50.54\00:01:52.77 >> So, Don, would you say that 00:01:53.64\00:01:56.34 some addictions are worse 00:01:56.34\00:01:58.11 than others? 00:01:58.11\00:02:00.12 [DON] I would probably lean 00:02:00.12\00:02:01.68 that direction because, like I 00:02:01.68\00:02:03.45 said, some of the addictions 00:02:03.45\00:02:05.59 that people have are necessary 00:02:05.59\00:02:07.29 things in our life, like we 00:02:07.29\00:02:08.99 eat, we work, we shop, and not 00:02:08.99\00:02:12.73 everybody develops addictions 00:02:12.73\00:02:14.56 to these. 00:02:14.56\00:02:15.46 So in the field of 00:02:15.46\00:02:16.93 counselling, what we do is we 00:02:16.93\00:02:19.10 question the person and we 00:02:19.10\00:02:20.27 determine if they have an 00:02:20.27\00:02:21.67 addiction or not by how 00:02:21.67\00:02:23.74 adverse their... 00:02:23.74\00:02:25.91 their life is as a result of 00:02:27.04\00:02:28.51 that behaviour. 00:02:28.51\00:02:29.98 Like, are they functioning 00:02:29.98\00:02:30.98 well at work, are they 00:02:30.98\00:02:32.21 functioning well physically, 00:02:32.21\00:02:33.48 physical health, their 00:02:33.48\00:02:34.68 marriages, are they being 00:02:34.68\00:02:35.75 adversely affected by their 00:02:35.75\00:02:37.19 behaviours? 00:02:37.19\00:02:38.52 And when a person's life and 00:02:38.52\00:02:41.06 any part of their life, is 00:02:41.06\00:02:42.69 adversely affected by their 00:02:42.69\00:02:44.16 behaviour, we would label that 00:02:44.16\00:02:45.29 an addiction. 00:02:45.29\00:02:46.80 Because, see, what happens 00:02:46.80\00:02:48.40 with addiction is people will 00:02:48.40\00:02:50.17 continue this behaviour in 00:02:50.17\00:02:51.83 spite of whatever pain it 00:02:51.83\00:02:53.90 causes them, whatever adverse 00:02:53.90\00:02:55.47 affects it has on them. 00:02:55.47\00:02:57.71 In fact, people have lost 00:02:57.71\00:02:59.27 marriages, they've lost their 00:02:59.27\00:03:00.54 job, they've lost their money, 00:03:00.54\00:03:02.28 they've even lost their 00:03:02.28\00:03:03.58 children to the ministry, and 00:03:03.58\00:03:05.45 they've even lost their 00:03:05.45\00:03:06.72 physical health because they 00:03:06.72\00:03:08.92 cannot seem to find control 00:03:08.92\00:03:10.69 over this behaviour. 00:03:10.69\00:03:12.25 >> So, Don, what causes people 00:03:12.25\00:03:13.86 to develop addictions? 00:03:13.86\00:03:16.56 >> Well, let me start with 00:03:17.06\00:03:18.49 what the research says it's 00:03:18.49\00:03:20.30 not, OK, because there 00:03:20.30\00:03:22.73 are myths. 00:03:22.73\00:03:24.10 For instance, there is no 00:03:24.10\00:03:25.70 genetic cause for addiction. 00:03:25.70\00:03:28.30 They thought it was because it 00:03:28.30\00:03:29.80 seemed to run in families, but 00:03:29.80\00:03:31.57 with all the gene mapping that 00:03:31.57\00:03:33.01 scientists do, we've never 00:03:33.01\00:03:34.38 found any kind of genetic 00:03:34.38\00:03:35.98 connection to addiction in the 00:03:35.98\00:03:37.71 sense that there's a genetic 00:03:37.71\00:03:39.21 gene for addiction. 00:03:39.21\00:03:41.05 The second myth about 00:03:41.05\00:03:42.32 addiction is that it's a moral 00:03:42.32\00:03:43.55 failure, you know, "Just say" 00:03:43.55\00:03:45.15 "no to drugs." 00:03:45.15\00:03:47.06 If people could just say "no" 00:03:47.06\00:03:48.36 to drugs and that would be the 00:03:48.36\00:03:49.52 end of it, we wouldn't have 00:03:49.52\00:03:50.63 the problems we have. 00:03:50.63\00:03:52.09 But people can't say "no," 00:03:52.09\00:03:53.36 that's the problem. 00:03:53.36\00:03:55.36 The third myth about addiction 00:03:55.36\00:03:58.07 has to do with the fact that 00:03:58.07\00:04:00.27 not every substance, not every 00:04:01.50\00:04:04.54 behaviour is addictive. 00:04:04.54\00:04:07.24 For instance, thousands of 00:04:07.24\00:04:08.81 people take opiates for 00:04:08.81\00:04:10.51 surgeries, for pain, only a 00:04:10.51\00:04:12.18 certain percentage of those, a 00:04:12.18\00:04:14.02 small percentage, actually 00:04:14.02\00:04:15.18 become addicted to that 00:04:15.18\00:04:16.65 substance or that-- or the 00:04:16.65\00:04:18.49 different behaviours. 00:04:18.49\00:04:19.99 So that's what we know about 00:04:19.99\00:04:21.36 what doesn't cause addiction. 00:04:21.36\00:04:23.43 But the research clearly shows 00:04:23.43\00:04:25.66 what does cause addiction 00:04:25.66\00:04:27.93 is pain. 00:04:27.93\00:04:29.56 You see, pain is pain. 00:04:29.56\00:04:31.83 It could be physical pain, it 00:04:31.83\00:04:33.44 could be emotional pain. 00:04:33.44\00:04:35.10 The conscious brain knows the 00:04:35.10\00:04:36.34 difference, but the 00:04:36.34\00:04:37.47 unconscious brain treats all 00:04:37.47\00:04:38.64 pain the same. 00:04:38.64\00:04:39.74 I could have the pain of 00:04:39.74\00:04:40.91 touching a hot stove or I can 00:04:40.91\00:04:42.31 have the pain of shame or 00:04:42.31\00:04:43.91 anxiety or depression and pain 00:04:43.91\00:04:46.51 causes the addiction. 00:04:46.51\00:04:48.55 Gabor Maté who is kind of a 00:04:48.55\00:04:50.49 guru and a researcher of 00:04:50.49\00:04:52.59 addiction who used to work 00:04:52.59\00:04:54.39 with people in addiction in 00:04:54.39\00:04:56.26 east side Vancouver, has 00:04:56.26\00:04:58.23 written several books and 00:04:58.23\00:04:59.66 talks about this problem and 00:04:59.66\00:05:01.23 he would say it this way... 00:05:01.23\00:05:03.03 You see, pain comes in 00:05:08.87\00:05:10.41 many forms. 00:05:10.41\00:05:12.07 What I've discovered is that 00:05:12.07\00:05:14.51 people in addiction and I'm 00:05:14.51\00:05:15.94 probably talking 99% of people 00:05:15.94\00:05:17.91 in addiction, have one or 00:05:17.91\00:05:19.98 usually more additional mental 00:05:19.98\00:05:22.45 health diagnosis. 00:05:22.45\00:05:24.09 They have depression, they 00:05:24.09\00:05:25.45 have high anxiety, they have 00:05:25.45\00:05:27.39 personality disorders, they 00:05:27.39\00:05:28.79 have ADHD, they have 00:05:28.79\00:05:30.09 schizophrenia, they have 00:05:30.09\00:05:31.49 bipolar, there's all of these 00:05:31.49\00:05:33.66 mental health issues that 00:05:33.66\00:05:36.03 cause them pain 'cause these 00:05:36.03\00:05:37.50 are not easy things to live 00:05:37.50\00:05:39.20 with and they're things that 00:05:39.20\00:05:40.84 medical science is really 00:05:40.84\00:05:43.30 sometimes at a loss to help. 00:05:43.30\00:05:45.64 And so they suffer from the-- 00:05:45.64\00:05:47.38 not only the pain of these 00:05:47.38\00:05:48.64 mental disorders, but there's 00:05:48.64\00:05:50.28 so much shame that's carried 00:05:50.28\00:05:52.05 by having a mental disorder. 00:05:52.05\00:05:53.58 They're shunned by family 00:05:53.58\00:05:54.98 members, people don't know how 00:05:54.98\00:05:55.98 to treat them. 00:05:55.98\00:05:57.09 And then when you have these 00:05:57.09\00:05:58.35 mental disorders, we often end 00:05:58.35\00:05:59.72 up with job loss which leads 00:05:59.72\00:06:02.12 to homelessness, which leads 00:06:02.12\00:06:03.99 to hunger, poverty, and all of 00:06:03.99\00:06:07.20 this even adds more shame to a 00:06:07.20\00:06:09.13 person's life and this all 00:06:09.13\00:06:11.13 adds up to even more pain. 00:06:11.13\00:06:14.17 >> So, Don, if addiction is 00:06:14.17\00:06:17.67 not genetic, why does it run 00:06:17.67\00:06:20.08 in the family? 00:06:20.08\00:06:21.44 >> You know, it took us a 00:06:22.21\00:06:23.68 while to figure that out 00:06:23.68\00:06:25.45 because it does seem to run in 00:06:25.45\00:06:27.32 families, but what we've 00:06:27.32\00:06:29.55 studied is that families 00:06:29.55\00:06:31.49 perpetuate their lifestyle and 00:06:31.49\00:06:33.96 their abuse to their children. 00:06:33.96\00:06:35.69 There's a principle that goes: 00:06:35.69\00:06:37.66 We also know that addiction 00:06:39.79\00:06:41.40 runs in certain cultures 00:06:41.40\00:06:43.47 such as First Nations, 00:06:43.47\00:06:45.07 as an example. 00:06:45.07\00:06:46.57 It's not genetic in the sense 00:06:46.57\00:06:48.00 that it's passed on 00:06:48.00\00:06:49.37 genetically, but they have 00:06:49.37\00:06:51.04 this history, and a chronic 00:06:51.04\00:06:53.58 history, of being marginalized 00:06:53.58\00:06:56.38 by main-stream society and 00:06:56.38\00:06:58.08 that's painful so it is passed 00:06:58.08\00:07:00.35 on this way. 00:07:00.35\00:07:02.05 And then when I thought of 00:07:02.05\00:07:03.65 this, I thought of a verse in 00:07:03.65\00:07:04.82 scripture, it's in the Ten 00:07:04.82\00:07:06.25 Commandments, Exodus 20, 00:07:06.25\00:07:08.79 where God says... 00:07:08.79\00:07:10.56 And I've always read that and 00:07:17.90\00:07:19.30 wondered, what does that mean? 00:07:19.30\00:07:20.97 I mean, does God actually 00:07:20.97\00:07:22.57 punish innocent people for 00:07:22.57\00:07:24.14 somebody else's sins? 00:07:24.14\00:07:25.27 That does not fit the 00:07:25.27\00:07:26.44 character of God. 00:07:26.44\00:07:27.91 But then, you see, I 00:07:27.91\00:07:29.11 remembered, like I said in the 00:07:29.11\00:07:30.65 previous episodes, that in the 00:07:30.65\00:07:33.08 Bible it speaks like God 00:07:33.08\00:07:35.55 actually causes what He 00:07:35.55\00:07:37.62 doesn't prevent. 00:07:37.62\00:07:40.19 And so when you think about 00:07:40.19\00:07:41.69 it, He chooses to operate this 00:07:41.69\00:07:43.46 universe on the law of freedom 00:07:43.46\00:07:45.33 and love and so if you just 00:07:45.33\00:07:47.56 allow freedom, which He does, 00:07:47.56\00:07:49.36 then that's how hurt people 00:07:49.36\00:07:50.77 hurt people. 00:07:50.77\00:07:52.07 And these habits, these 00:07:52.07\00:07:53.40 behaviours, these painful 00:07:53.40\00:07:54.80 hurts, these traumas, are 00:07:54.80\00:07:56.14 passed on generationally. 00:07:56.14\00:07:58.07 But there's hope. 00:07:58.07\00:07:59.47 Jesus came to break that cycle. 00:07:59.47\00:08:02.14 The cycle doesn't have to keep 00:08:02.14\00:08:03.65 perpetuating if we introduce 00:08:03.65\00:08:05.78 into that cycle, help. 00:08:05.78\00:08:09.28 Most of us live pretty 00:08:09.28\00:08:11.45 sheltered lives and it wasn't 00:08:11.45\00:08:13.46 until I became a clinical 00:08:13.46\00:08:14.69 counsellor and dealt with 00:08:14.69\00:08:15.92 people in addiction that I 00:08:15.92\00:08:17.56 began to see what goes on 00:08:17.56\00:08:19.46 behind closed doors. 00:08:19.46\00:08:21.60 I could not begin to tell you 00:08:21.60\00:08:24.07 the pain that I hear every day 00:08:24.07\00:08:26.50 coming from clients that 00:08:26.50\00:08:27.80 come to me. 00:08:27.80\00:08:29.34 I-- it's triple-X, I could not 00:08:29.34\00:08:31.47 even talk about it in public. 00:08:31.47\00:08:33.44 [MIKE] So you're dealing with 00:08:33.44\00:08:34.88 a lot of this pain, how do you 00:08:34.88\00:08:35.91 manage it yourself? 00:08:35.91\00:08:37.38 >> Well, to start with, I go 00:08:37.38\00:08:39.08 to my own counsellor, I take 00:08:39.08\00:08:41.15 trauma counselling because 00:08:41.15\00:08:42.68 there's secondary trauma. 00:08:42.68\00:08:44.15 I can become traumatized by 00:08:44.15\00:08:45.45 listening to the trauma. 00:08:45.45\00:08:47.52 But in a nutshell, and I'm 00:08:47.52\00:08:48.99 gonna talk a lot about this in 00:08:48.99\00:08:50.19 a future episode, I have 00:08:50.19\00:08:52.63 learned from my own addiction 00:08:52.63\00:08:54.30 to think differently about 00:08:54.30\00:08:55.66 myself and to take care 00:08:55.66\00:08:58.20 of myself. 00:08:58.20\00:08:59.83 [RENÉ] So, Don, you have been 00:09:01.07\00:09:03.94 in addiction, too, and yet you 00:09:03.94\00:09:07.11 were raised in a Christian 00:09:07.11\00:09:08.68 family and worked for 00:09:08.68\00:09:10.11 the church. 00:09:10.11\00:09:11.38 How did that happen? 00:09:11.38\00:09:13.21 >> Well, I did mention before 00:09:14.68\00:09:17.65 that I was actually the leader 00:09:17.65\00:09:19.55 of two organizations. 00:09:19.55\00:09:21.92 I was principal of a school 00:09:21.92\00:09:24.13 and pastor of a church and 00:09:24.13\00:09:26.19 with these positions comes a 00:09:26.19\00:09:27.93 lot of work, a lot of stress. 00:09:27.93\00:09:30.03 Actually, it was two 00:09:30.03\00:09:31.20 full-time jobs. 00:09:31.20\00:09:32.93 So in that sense, I was 00:09:32.93\00:09:35.64 under stress. 00:09:35.64\00:09:37.44 In addition to that, my wife, 00:09:37.44\00:09:40.21 Penny, as I mentioned in a 00:09:40.21\00:09:41.81 previous episode, was really 00:09:41.81\00:09:44.01 living on the edge of death 00:09:44.01\00:09:45.55 for many years, 12 years. 00:09:45.55\00:09:47.98 Keeping-- being kept alive by 00:09:47.98\00:09:49.85 intravenous feeding within our 00:09:49.85\00:09:51.45 own home, it was like a 00:09:51.45\00:09:53.05 hospital, knowing that she 00:09:53.05\00:09:54.92 would die any day and could 00:09:54.92\00:09:57.83 be any day. 00:09:57.83\00:09:59.13 This went on for 12 years. 00:09:59.13\00:10:01.33 And on top of that, when 00:10:01.33\00:10:02.83 you're a leader and you decide 00:10:02.83\00:10:04.70 to follow where Jesus is 00:10:04.70\00:10:06.30 leading and taking you in this 00:10:06.30\00:10:07.57 life, not everybody likes your 00:10:07.57\00:10:09.47 decisions, sometimes you have 00:10:09.47\00:10:10.94 to make some pretty hard 00:10:10.94\00:10:12.34 decisions and you can't 00:10:12.34\00:10:13.48 please everybody. 00:10:13.48\00:10:15.04 And, of course, you know, 00:10:15.04\00:10:16.51 there's criticism, there's 00:10:16.51\00:10:18.05 judgment, there's gossip, 00:10:18.05\00:10:19.58 even lies can be passed 00:10:19.58\00:10:21.28 around, gossip is a really 00:10:21.28\00:10:22.82 awful thing. 00:10:22.82\00:10:24.29 And this adds to the pain. 00:10:25.02\00:10:26.59 After my wife, Penny, died, 00:10:26.59\00:10:29.92 my-- one of my daughters gave 00:10:29.92\00:10:32.23 birth to our first grandchild 00:10:32.23\00:10:34.46 and he was born with, we 00:10:34.46\00:10:36.10 didn't know what, it was-- he 00:10:36.10\00:10:37.60 almost was gonna die, he was 00:10:37.60\00:10:39.00 living on the edge of death 00:10:39.00\00:10:40.30 himself, now he's 16, but he 00:10:40.30\00:10:41.84 still can't talk, he can't 00:10:41.84\00:10:43.54 communicate, he wears diapers. 00:10:43.54\00:10:46.31 It's heart-breaking to see 00:10:46.31\00:10:48.68 your grandchild and then your 00:10:48.68\00:10:50.51 daughter and her husband going 00:10:50.51\00:10:52.35 through the pain of this. 00:10:52.35\00:10:54.18 You feel the pain yourself, 00:10:54.18\00:10:55.62 I just felt all this pain. 00:10:55.62\00:10:58.02 >> So, Don, tell us about your 00:10:58.02\00:11:00.79 healing process and about 00:11:00.79\00:11:02.66 your discoveries. 00:11:02.66\00:11:04.83 >> The details are in my book, 00:11:04.83\00:11:06.23 but to keep it short, 00:11:06.23\00:11:08.10 basically I came to a place in 00:11:08.10\00:11:10.17 my life where I reached a 00:11:10.17\00:11:11.63 burn-out, they call it a 00:11:11.63\00:11:13.07 "burn-out," it's actually called 00:11:13.07\00:11:14.60 an "adrenal burn-out." 00:11:14.60\00:11:16.54 'Cause what was happening 00:11:16.54\00:11:18.04 there, to cope with my pain, I 00:11:18.04\00:11:20.01 was keeping myself busy 00:11:20.01\00:11:21.78 all the time. 00:11:21.78\00:11:23.35 Wouldn't let myself stop and 00:11:23.35\00:11:24.91 take a break and rest. 00:11:24.91\00:11:26.28 I had to keep working to keep 00:11:26.28\00:11:27.92 my mind going in a good place. 00:11:27.92\00:11:30.65 And when you're continuously 00:11:30.65\00:11:32.15 working, your adrenal glands 00:11:32.15\00:11:33.66 are continuously pumping out 00:11:33.66\00:11:35.12 adrenaline. 00:11:35.12\00:11:36.89 So actually what was going on 00:11:36.89\00:11:38.49 is I was high on my own 00:11:38.49\00:11:41.50 adrenaline. 00:11:41.50\00:11:43.10 I was addicted to the 00:11:43.10\00:11:45.07 chemical, adrenaline. 00:11:45.07\00:11:46.40 In fact, we know now that 00:11:46.40\00:11:47.70 every addiction, whether it's 00:11:47.70\00:11:49.27 a substance addiction or a 00:11:49.27\00:11:51.17 process addiction, like 00:11:51.17\00:11:52.94 gambling or work, is actually 00:11:52.94\00:11:54.78 still a chemical addiction. 00:11:54.78\00:11:56.78 And my body was just pumping 00:11:56.78\00:11:58.88 out adrenaline and I was just 00:11:58.88\00:12:00.72 riding the wave until I 00:12:00.72\00:12:02.62 started to get symptoms. 00:12:02.62\00:12:04.69 And it was a friend and 00:12:04.69\00:12:06.05 colleague of mine who suffered 00:12:06.05\00:12:07.39 a burn-out himself as a pastor 00:12:07.39\00:12:09.16 years before me, who came to 00:12:09.16\00:12:10.63 me and said, "Don, I'm" 00:12:10.63\00:12:12.13 "noticing some symptoms." 00:12:12.13\00:12:13.63 And, of course, my wife, 00:12:13.63\00:12:15.10 Juanita, she was noticing some 00:12:15.10\00:12:16.63 things were off, too. 00:12:16.63\00:12:18.30 And so they asked me if I 00:12:18.30\00:12:20.77 would go to see a doctor so I 00:12:20.77\00:12:22.30 promised them I would go to 00:12:22.30\00:12:23.64 the doctor and I would tell 00:12:23.64\00:12:24.94 them exactly what my symptoms 00:12:24.94\00:12:26.37 were, what I was experiencing, 00:12:26.37\00:12:28.44 what my wife was experiencing, 00:12:28.44\00:12:30.11 what my friend was noticing. 00:12:30.11\00:12:32.51 And there I was telling the 00:12:32.51\00:12:33.92 doctor and he reached for his 00:12:33.92\00:12:35.52 prescription pad and he 00:12:35.52\00:12:37.12 started to write and I started 00:12:37.12\00:12:38.35 to go, "Oh no!" 00:12:38.35\00:12:40.32 "I don't want pills." 00:12:40.32\00:12:42.16 Ripped it off his pad and he 00:12:42.16\00:12:43.86 handed me this piece of paper 00:12:43.86\00:12:46.13 and it said, "Clean out your" 00:12:46.13\00:12:47.50 "desk and do not report to" 00:12:47.50\00:12:48.53 "work until I give you" 00:12:48.53\00:12:49.76 "permission." 00:12:49.76\00:12:50.87 And I said, "Uh, I have" 00:12:50.87\00:12:52.27 "two desks." 00:12:52.27\00:12:53.47 "I'm both a principal" 00:12:53.47\00:12:54.54 "and a pastor." 00:12:54.54\00:12:55.84 He snatched it back and he 00:12:55.84\00:12:57.01 scratched it and rewrote, 00:12:57.01\00:12:59.11 "Clean out both desks and do" 00:12:59.11\00:13:01.08 "not go to work until I give" 00:13:01.08\00:13:02.54 "you permission." 00:13:02.54\00:13:04.08 And that was the beginning of 00:13:04.08\00:13:06.08 a fairly lengthy healing 00:13:06.08\00:13:08.22 process which probably, I 00:13:08.22\00:13:10.22 didn't really probably 00:13:10.22\00:13:11.49 completely heal for about 00:13:11.49\00:13:12.52 three years. 00:13:12.52\00:13:14.29 But within the first year, I 00:13:14.29\00:13:16.12 knew I had to resign from both 00:13:16.12\00:13:17.93 jobs, one at a time. 00:13:17.93\00:13:20.73 But, fortunately, I belong to 00:13:20.73\00:13:23.03 a church who really believes 00:13:23.03\00:13:24.73 in the holistic approach to 00:13:24.73\00:13:26.40 health, in other words... 00:13:26.40\00:13:27.84 So our body affects our minds, 00:13:29.70\00:13:31.67 our minds affect our body, 00:13:31.67\00:13:33.07 just as we've been talking 00:13:33.07\00:13:34.44 about, our thoughts affect 00:13:34.44\00:13:35.78 our emotions and our 00:13:35.78\00:13:37.05 physical body. 00:13:37.05\00:13:38.21 And so they paid for me to go 00:13:38.21\00:13:39.65 to a place for two weeks which 00:13:39.65\00:13:41.58 is called Silver Hills Guest 00:13:41.58\00:13:43.18 House and the manager there, 00:13:43.18\00:13:45.45 Phil Brewer, was a wonderful 00:13:45.45\00:13:47.26 person and by spending two 00:13:47.26\00:13:49.52 weeks there with a healthy 00:13:49.52\00:13:50.99 diet and in nature and having 00:13:50.99\00:13:52.99 these daily talks with Phil, 00:13:52.99\00:13:54.73 I began to heal. 00:13:54.73\00:13:56.70 And while I was there, one of 00:13:56.70\00:13:58.53 the staff member told me to 00:13:58.53\00:14:00.10 read this book, handed me this 00:14:00.10\00:14:01.64 book and it was entitled Never 00:14:01.64\00:14:03.84 Good Enough by Carol Cannon, 00:14:03.84\00:14:05.91 a book published by my 00:14:05.91\00:14:07.08 own church. 00:14:07.08\00:14:08.34 And I read that book and it 00:14:08.34\00:14:10.61 started to open up ideas and 00:14:10.61\00:14:13.45 it started to make me come 00:14:13.45\00:14:15.12 aware of why I was thinking 00:14:15.12\00:14:17.22 and why I was doing what 00:14:17.22\00:14:18.45 I was doing. 00:14:18.45\00:14:20.09 The essence of this book was 00:14:20.09\00:14:21.76 that often times when it comes 00:14:21.76\00:14:23.53 to addiction, in fact, most of 00:14:23.53\00:14:25.09 the time, it's because we 00:14:25.09\00:14:26.63 don't like worthy, valuable. 00:14:26.63\00:14:28.60 Remember we talked in the past 00:14:28.60\00:14:30.10 about our thoughts, how we put 00:14:30.10\00:14:31.70 ourselves down, and I was 00:14:31.70\00:14:33.27 never feeling good enough, I 00:14:33.27\00:14:34.74 felt I could never measure up. 00:14:34.74\00:14:36.54 And it wasn't necessarily to 00:14:36.54\00:14:37.91 God, but to myself, to my 00:14:37.91\00:14:39.34 church, to my family, and I 00:14:39.34\00:14:42.01 would have to work harder 00:14:42.01\00:14:43.65 and longer to feel good 00:14:43.65\00:14:46.05 about myself. 00:14:46.05\00:14:47.55 >> So how do you know that you 00:14:47.55\00:14:49.28 are good enough? 00:14:49.28\00:14:51.35 >> And that's the problem, is 00:14:51.35\00:14:53.32 I was doing-- I was finding it 00:14:53.32\00:14:55.52 out by assessing how many 00:14:55.52\00:14:57.13 compliments I got. 00:14:57.13\00:14:58.49 "Don, good job," or "Don, we" 00:14:58.49\00:15:00.13 "can't do this without you." 00:15:00.13\00:15:02.00 And that's what I was looking 00:15:02.00\00:15:03.33 for, it was actually kind of 00:15:03.33\00:15:05.23 in a, as I found out later, an 00:15:05.23\00:15:07.00 addiction to approval. 00:15:07.00\00:15:08.87 I needed that approval to feel 00:15:08.87\00:15:10.57 good about myself. 00:15:10.57\00:15:12.11 And I realized that in my past 00:15:12.11\00:15:14.61 I was always, you know, the 00:15:14.61\00:15:15.94 last person picked on a ball 00:15:15.94\00:15:17.78 game team, I was teased and 00:15:17.78\00:15:20.28 bullied at school, pimples, 00:15:20.28\00:15:22.32 you know, skinny runt. 00:15:22.32\00:15:24.12 And then, from this book, I 00:15:24.12\00:15:26.29 also found out that a lot of 00:15:26.29\00:15:28.49 people are raised in good, 00:15:28.49\00:15:30.56 healthy, religious homes, and 00:15:30.56\00:15:32.79 good, healthy churches, but 00:15:32.79\00:15:35.53 because of some environments, 00:15:35.53\00:15:37.47 it's like perfectionism and 00:15:37.47\00:15:39.47 we're taught we have to do it 00:15:39.47\00:15:40.64 perfectly or we're not good 00:15:40.64\00:15:42.07 enough and so I realized that 00:15:42.07\00:15:44.11 I had never felt good enough 00:15:44.11\00:15:46.21 to myself, to others. 00:15:46.21\00:15:49.28 Now here's a truth that I've 00:15:49.28\00:15:50.61 discovered and I teach it all 00:15:50.61\00:15:52.25 the time: as human beings, our 00:15:52.25\00:15:54.95 greatest need is acceptance. 00:15:54.95\00:15:57.42 We're wired that way, we're 00:15:57.42\00:15:58.79 wired for connection, which 00:15:58.79\00:16:00.49 means our greatest fear is 00:16:00.49\00:16:02.96 rejection and when our 00:16:02.96\00:16:05.53 greatest fear is rejection, 00:16:05.53\00:16:07.13 we will go to all kinds of 00:16:07.13\00:16:08.96 ways to avoid being judged 00:16:08.96\00:16:11.70 and rejected. 00:16:11.70\00:16:13.64 And that's the thing about, 00:16:13.64\00:16:15.30 you know, being a leader 00:16:15.30\00:16:16.64 you're gonna be constantly 00:16:16.64\00:16:17.84 liked or not liked or judged 00:16:17.84\00:16:19.27 or criticized and I was trying 00:16:19.27\00:16:21.14 to please everybody. 00:16:21.14\00:16:23.75 So what I've learned is that 00:16:23.75\00:16:25.55 if a person is gonna heal from 00:16:25.55\00:16:27.32 addiction, it must be done in 00:16:27.32\00:16:29.25 an environment with 100% 00:16:29.25\00:16:32.45 acceptance and non-judgment 00:16:32.45\00:16:34.79 which is what I do as a 00:16:34.79\00:16:36.36 clinical counsellor when my 00:16:36.36\00:16:37.99 clients come to me which is 00:16:37.99\00:16:39.76 what we do in our live-in 00:16:39.76\00:16:41.83 addictions treatment centre is 00:16:41.83\00:16:43.43 we set up an environment where 00:16:43.43\00:16:44.80 no one is judged for any 00:16:44.80\00:16:47.24 reason at all, they're 00:16:47.24\00:16:48.80 accepted and loved. 00:16:48.80\00:16:50.74 Of course we have to have 00:16:50.74\00:16:52.11 rules, we have to protect each 00:16:52.11\00:16:53.38 other from each other, we have 00:16:53.38\00:16:55.18 to have boundaries, but we 00:16:55.18\00:16:56.98 don't, like, kick people out 00:16:56.98\00:16:58.48 for doing this or maybe even 00:16:58.48\00:17:00.28 using, we work with them, we 00:17:00.28\00:17:02.75 have grace for them and we 00:17:02.75\00:17:04.22 help them learn from 00:17:04.22\00:17:05.52 their mistakes. 00:17:05.52\00:17:06.99 >> So, Don, it seems to me 00:17:06.99\00:17:09.52 that the church should be a 00:17:09.52\00:17:11.63 safe place for those that are 00:17:11.63\00:17:13.29 struggling with addictions. 00:17:13.29\00:17:15.06 >> Absolutely it should be 00:17:15.06\00:17:16.60 because we talk about the 00:17:16.60\00:17:17.97 church being a hospital for 00:17:17.97\00:17:19.23 sinners, don't we? 00:17:19.23\00:17:20.44 But, unfortunately, it 00:17:20.44\00:17:21.77 often is not. 00:17:21.77\00:17:23.37 So many times within the 00:17:23.37\00:17:24.87 church people are judged, 00:17:24.87\00:17:26.78 they're even dismissed or 00:17:26.78\00:17:28.18 kicked out of church for some 00:17:28.18\00:17:29.34 of the things, but mostly 00:17:29.34\00:17:30.51 people just leave because they 00:17:30.51\00:17:31.61 don't feel like they're 00:17:31.61\00:17:32.91 accepted the way they are. 00:17:32.91\00:17:34.72 The thing is, most of my 00:17:34.72\00:17:36.35 clients, both in my private 00:17:36.35\00:17:37.79 practice and in the centre for 00:17:37.79\00:17:39.79 addiction, are not Christians. 00:17:39.79\00:17:42.26 And, because of my ethical 00:17:42.26\00:17:44.23 principles that I have to work 00:17:44.23\00:17:45.73 with with my license and 00:17:45.73\00:17:47.20 because of the fact that I 00:17:47.20\00:17:49.36 work in a place that's funded 00:17:49.36\00:17:50.73 by the government, we have to 00:17:50.73\00:17:52.53 be careful. 00:17:52.53\00:17:53.77 What we do is we honour 00:17:53.77\00:17:55.24 everybody's religious beliefs 00:17:55.24\00:17:57.11 as equal, we respect and 00:17:57.11\00:17:58.91 honour them. 00:17:58.91\00:18:00.34 Now it gives me many 00:18:00.34\00:18:01.78 opportunities though to share 00:18:01.78\00:18:03.35 a little bit and I'll ask 00:18:03.35\00:18:05.01 permission or I will say 00:18:05.01\00:18:06.61 something like, you know, 00:18:06.61\00:18:07.95 like, "We're all worthy and" 00:18:07.95\00:18:09.28 "valuable, and for those of" 00:18:09.28\00:18:11.22 "you who believe in Jesus," 00:18:11.22\00:18:12.72 "you could tell yourself," 00:18:12.72\00:18:14.02 "'I'm a child of God.'" 00:18:14.02\00:18:16.12 And others are listening to 00:18:16.12\00:18:17.56 that, too, but we don't make 00:18:17.56\00:18:18.99 apologies for that, we just 00:18:18.99\00:18:20.36 don't force our religion on 00:18:20.36\00:18:21.36 other people. 00:18:21.36\00:18:22.46 So in what we do, we practice 00:18:23.43\00:18:26.80 something called "wellbriety." 00:18:26.80\00:18:28.77 >> "Wellbriety?" 00:18:28.77\00:18:30.21 Don't you mean "sobriety?" 00:18:30.21\00:18:31.61 >> Exactly. 00:18:31.61\00:18:33.01 I used to used the word, 00:18:33.01\00:18:34.38 "sobriety," for years and 00:18:34.38\00:18:35.91 years, but then I've learned 00:18:35.91\00:18:37.05 this new word called, 00:18:37.05\00:18:38.45 "wellbriety," which actually 00:18:38.45\00:18:39.78 comes from the First Nations 00:18:39.78\00:18:41.05 culture and I love it because 00:18:41.05\00:18:43.32 "wellbriety" says what 00:18:43.32\00:18:45.59 "sobriety" means and so it's a 00:18:45.59\00:18:48.16 very holistic approach. 00:18:48.16\00:18:50.06 And people in addiction love 00:18:50.06\00:18:51.43 that word, "wellbriety." 00:18:51.43\00:18:53.03 "I'm living in wellbriety." 00:18:53.03\00:18:54.83 Because addiction has to go 00:18:54.83\00:18:56.36 from a place of just not 00:18:56.36\00:18:58.37 stopping something, but 00:18:58.37\00:19:00.04 starting something new and 00:19:00.04\00:19:01.97 different and healthy. 00:19:01.97\00:19:03.77 This is how I illustrate it 00:19:03.77\00:19:05.04 with my clients. 00:19:05.04\00:19:06.34 Now this is a game of pretend 00:19:07.01\00:19:08.58 obviously, so let's pretend 00:19:08.58\00:19:10.95 this is real, real money, OK? 00:19:10.95\00:19:13.75 So I will ask you the question 00:19:13.75\00:19:15.78 what's this worth? 00:19:15.78\00:19:17.49 >> A hundred dollars. 00:19:17.49\00:19:18.82 >> Exactly. 00:19:18.82\00:19:20.16 Now we could say it another 00:19:20.16\00:19:21.19 way, we could say, 00:19:21.19\00:19:22.29 "What's its value?" 00:19:22.29\00:19:23.43 >> A hundred dollars. 00:19:23.43\00:19:24.23 >> Exactly. 00:19:24.23\00:19:25.29 [paper ripping] 00:19:25.29\00:19:28.33 Now you can see why I didn't 00:19:28.33\00:19:29.73 wanna use a real one today. 00:19:29.73\00:19:31.93 So the question is now, 00:19:31.93\00:19:34.80 what's it worth now? 00:19:34.80\00:19:35.90 [RENÉ] Nothing. 00:19:35.90\00:19:37.01 [MIKE] Nothing. 00:19:37.01\00:19:38.14 >> That's what most people 00:19:38.14\00:19:39.34 say, but the truth is it's 00:19:39.34\00:19:41.48 still worth $100. 00:19:41.48\00:19:43.11 Unless I burn it up and 00:19:43.11\00:19:44.75 disappear the serial number, I 00:19:44.75\00:19:47.02 can take this to the bank and 00:19:47.02\00:19:48.95 they will give me a new one. 00:19:48.95\00:19:50.99 And here's the illustration: 00:19:50.99\00:19:52.89 we come into this world 00:19:52.89\00:19:56.02 worthy and valuable, it's how 00:19:56.02\00:19:58.16 God created us, we're precious. 00:19:58.16\00:20:00.80 I mean, I have four children. 00:20:00.80\00:20:03.06 Every one of them came into 00:20:03.06\00:20:04.57 this world as priceless. 00:20:04.57\00:20:06.94 I could not put any kind of a 00:20:06.94\00:20:09.14 price on any one of my 00:20:09.14\00:20:10.24 children. 00:20:10.24\00:20:11.47 I would die for that child. 00:20:11.47\00:20:13.44 And that's how we come into 00:20:13.44\00:20:14.78 this world and that's how 00:20:14.78\00:20:16.14 God sees us. 00:20:16.14\00:20:17.48 But then things happen to us. 00:20:17.48\00:20:20.88 People come along and they 00:20:20.88\00:20:22.72 abuse us, they bully us, they 00:20:22.72\00:20:25.69 betray us, they abandon us. 00:20:25.69\00:20:28.06 Sometimes the most hurtful 00:20:28.06\00:20:29.76 things are done by parents 00:20:29.76\00:20:31.26 themselves, but it could be 00:20:31.26\00:20:32.86 teachers or fellow students, 00:20:32.86\00:20:34.40 classmates. 00:20:34.40\00:20:36.26 And so we begin to feel that 00:20:36.26\00:20:39.67 we're not important, we're not 00:20:39.67\00:20:41.47 valuable that we're just 00:20:41.47\00:20:43.41 worthless and that's where the 00:20:43.41\00:20:45.57 cycle begins, the cycle of 00:20:45.57\00:20:47.24 shame, of feeling shame, 00:20:47.24\00:20:49.41 never good enough. 00:20:49.41\00:20:51.11 But the truth is we are God's 00:20:52.05\00:20:54.35 children and He sees us as 00:20:54.35\00:20:56.99 worthy and valuable. 00:20:56.99\00:20:59.75 I don't have to prove that 00:20:59.75\00:21:02.19 anymore to anybody. 00:21:02.19\00:21:04.63 I don't even have to prove it 00:21:04.63\00:21:05.79 to myself anymore. 00:21:05.79\00:21:07.60 I am enough, regardless. 00:21:07.60\00:21:10.93 My sins, my mistakes do not 00:21:10.93\00:21:13.70 define me, my imperfections do 00:21:13.70\00:21:16.20 not define me. 00:21:16.20\00:21:18.21 I am enough. 00:21:18.21\00:21:20.28 This is all I needed to know 00:21:20.28\00:21:22.78 and all I need to know. 00:21:22.78\00:21:24.28 ¤The love of God 00:21:24.28\00:21:26.35 ¤is greater far 00:21:26.35\00:21:28.92 ¤Than tongue or pen 00:21:28.92\00:21:31.72 ¤can ever tell 00:21:31.72\00:21:34.22 ¤It goes beyond 00:21:34.22\00:21:36.69 ¤the highest star 00:21:36.69\00:21:39.73 ¤And reaches to 00:21:39.73\00:21:42.10 ¤the deepest hell 00:21:42.10\00:21:44.83 ¤The guilty pair 00:21:44.83\00:21:47.87 ¤bowed down with care 00:21:47.87\00:21:50.74 ¤God gave His Son to win 00:21:50.74\00:21:56.34 ¤His erring child 00:21:56.34\00:21:59.15 ¤He reconciled 00:21:59.15\00:22:02.15 ¤And pardoned from his sin 00:22:02.15\00:22:10.23 ¤Oh love of God 00:22:10.23\00:22:13.29 ¤how rich and pure 00:22:13.29\00:22:16.10 ¤How measureless and strong 00:22:16.10\00:22:21.67 ¤It shall forevermore endure 00:22:21.67\00:22:27.18 ¤The saints' and angels' song 00:22:27.18\00:22:34.42 ¤When years of time 00:22:35.85\00:22:38.42 ¤shall pass away 00:22:38.42\00:22:41.26 ¤And earthly thrones 00:22:41.26\00:22:43.73 ¤and kingdoms fall 00:22:43.73\00:22:46.46 ¤When men who here 00:22:46.46\00:22:49.13 ¤refuse to pray 00:22:49.13\00:22:51.70 ¤On rocks and hills 00:22:51.70\00:22:54.44 ¤and mountains call 00:22:54.44\00:22:57.31 ¤God's love, so sure 00:22:57.31\00:22:59.94 ¤will still endure 00:22:59.94\00:23:02.41 ¤All measureless and strong 00:23:02.41\00:23:06.92 ¤Redeeming grace 00:23:06.92\00:23:09.52 ¤to Adam's race 00:23:09.52\00:23:12.35 ¤The saints' and angels' song 00:23:12.35\00:23:19.73 ¤Oh love of God 00:23:19.73\00:23:22.50 ¤how rich and pure 00:23:22.50\00:23:25.40 ¤How measureless and strong 00:23:25.40\00:23:30.77 ¤It shall forevermore endure 00:23:30.77\00:23:36.18 ¤The saints' and angels' song 00:23:36.18\00:23:42.48 ¤¤ 00:23:42.48\00:23:57.27 ¤Could we with ink 00:23:57.27\00:23:59.87 ¤the ocean fill 00:23:59.87\00:24:02.77 ¤And were the skies 00:24:02.77\00:24:05.27 ¤of parchment made 00:24:05.27\00:24:07.91 ¤Were every stalk 00:24:07.91\00:24:10.18 ¤on earth a quill 00:24:10.18\00:24:13.21 ¤And every man 00:24:13.21\00:24:15.78 ¤a scribe by trade 00:24:15.78\00:24:18.29 ¤To write the love 00:24:18.29\00:24:20.69 ¤of God above 00:24:20.69\00:24:23.43 ¤Would drain the ocean dry 00:24:23.43\00:24:28.30 ¤Nor could the scroll 00:24:28.30\00:24:31.00 ¤contain the whole 00:24:31.00\00:24:33.64 ¤Though stretched from sky 00:24:33.64\00:24:36.40 ¤to sky 00:24:36.40\00:24:40.34 ¤The love of God 00:24:42.08\00:24:44.95 ¤how rich and pure 00:24:44.95\00:24:47.85 ¤How measureless and strong 00:24:47.85\00:24:53.12 ¤It shall forevermore endure 00:24:53.12\00:24:58.89 ¤The saints' and angels' song 00:24:58.89\00:25:11.07 >> My God is my Father. 00:25:12.91\00:25:15.34 I am His child. 00:25:15.34\00:25:17.31 He loves me, regardless. 00:25:17.31\00:25:19.38 To Him I am worthy and 00:25:19.38\00:25:20.88 valuable. 00:25:20.88\00:25:22.92 I am worthy and valuable. 00:25:22.92\00:25:26.09 This is my identity. 00:25:26.09\00:25:28.52 >> It's so true. 00:25:28.52\00:25:29.99 This is our identity and thank 00:25:29.99\00:25:31.29 you for closing on that. 00:25:31.29\00:25:32.99 I wonder if you could end with 00:25:32.99\00:25:34.20 a word of prayer for us. 00:25:34.20\00:25:35.40 >> Sure. 00:25:35.40\00:25:36.23 [MIKE] Thanks, Don. 00:25:36.23\00:25:37.90 >> Father... 00:25:37.90\00:25:40.20 What a beautiful word to be 00:25:40.20\00:25:41.50 able to say to You, the God of 00:25:41.50\00:25:43.24 the Universe and King, Abba 00:25:43.24\00:25:46.14 God, Father God, thank You for 00:25:46.14\00:25:49.88 calling us Your children and 00:25:49.88\00:25:52.11 Your friends. 00:25:52.11\00:25:54.55 Thank You for showing us, by 00:25:54.55\00:25:56.79 Your death on the cross, our 00:25:56.79\00:25:58.49 value and our worth. 00:25:58.49\00:26:00.52 I just pray that everyone that 00:26:01.32\00:26:03.43 is listening would embrace 00:26:03.43\00:26:04.86 that truth and that our 00:26:04.86\00:26:07.23 identity is in You and we 00:26:07.23\00:26:10.17 don't have to prove that value 00:26:10.17\00:26:11.83 to You or anyone else, 00:26:11.83\00:26:13.84 including ourselves. 00:26:13.84\00:26:15.60 We thank You again, in Jesus' 00:26:15.60\00:26:16.91 name, amen. 00:26:16.91\00:26:18.24 [MIKE & RENÉ] Amen. 00:26:18.24\00:26:20.11 [RENÉ] Don, Mike and I want to 00:26:20.11\00:26:21.64 thank you so much for sharing 00:26:21.64\00:26:23.45 that very important topic on 00:26:23.45\00:26:25.68 It Is Written Canada today. 00:26:25.68\00:26:27.45 >> Thank you. 00:26:27.45\00:26:29.25 >> Friends, as Don shared with 00:26:30.25\00:26:31.95 us, God's love sets us free 00:26:31.95\00:26:35.02 from addictions and we want to 00:26:35.02\00:26:37.39 give you a chance to learn 00:26:37.39\00:26:39.06 more about this freedom by 00:26:39.06\00:26:41.16 sending you our free offer 00:26:41.16\00:26:42.83 today which is Don's book 00:26:42.83\00:26:45.37 entitled Bridges to Freedom: 00:26:45.37\00:26:48.00 Creating Change Through 00:26:48.00\00:26:49.17 Science and Christian 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