>> Welcome and thank you
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for joining us on
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It Is Written Canada.
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Today we are here in
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beautiful William's Park
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in Langley, British Columbia.
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And we have with us today
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the president and owner of
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Colorific Pre-finishers,
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custom builders.
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Thank you for joining us,
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Lorne Brownmiller.
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You are also an elder in your
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church so thank you for being
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with us here today.
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>> Absolutely my pleasure,
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Mike and René.
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>> Tell us a little bit about
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your company to begin with.
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>> So, yeah, the company that
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we own is Colorific.
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It was an existing company,
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my son and I purchased it
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eight years ago
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and we stain and paint
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doors and windows.
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And so it's not all that
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terribly glamorous,
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however we do strive to
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do a great job.
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We've got a deep customer base
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and we continue to serve the
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Abbotsford and Vancouver area
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in finishing products.
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[René] And Lorne, you never
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always used to run a
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home renovations or
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custom-building line before.
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Before you owned and operated
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a very different type of
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business in Whistler.
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So can you tell us a little
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bit about how things have
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changed from then to how
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you're living today?
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>> Right, yeah.
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I'd say a night club is
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very, very different than
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staining and painting.
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Yeah, years ago, René,
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I was brought up a farm kid.
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We were poor, one of six kids.
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My dad died when I was eleven.
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And the reason why I
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gravitated towards wanting
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something different in my life
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is what I seen as a farm kid
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is not what I wanted
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for my life.
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And so as time would go on,
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I dropped out of school as
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early as I could.
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My dad died when I was eleven.
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Actually he got sick when I
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was eleven and he passed away
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when I was twelve.
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And what ended up happening
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was the--
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It really took me for a loop
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because I knew that God could
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have saved my dad, but He
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never chose to and it was that
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kind of thinking from that
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time that I really started to
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really lose faith in God and
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that I didn't really like Him,
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I didn't care for Him,
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I didn't like the way
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He operated.
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And so it started to change my
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whole trajectory really
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as a young guy and I started
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to gravitate towards
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rebellion, really.
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And I was a redhead when I was
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a young kid so maybe that
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explained some of it.
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However, as I got a little bit
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older and could make some of
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my own decisions,
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I dropped out of school
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and I went after money.
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I wanted to have money.
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I didn't have any,
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I wanted to have money,
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I wanted to have fame
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if that was possible.
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And so as life would go on
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I started to work with my
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brother for a number of years
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in construction
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and so that was my initial--
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That's how it was easy to get
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back into construction after
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being in the night club for a
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number of years.
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And so we worked for a number
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of years together, my brother
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and I and an opportunity came
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up in Vancouver in 1983 when a
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friend of mine phoned me and
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said, "Come and have a look"
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"at this space."
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"Would you like to"
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"open a restaurant?"
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And so in 1983 we opened a
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restaurant in Vancouver and I
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was 24 years old at the time.
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And it caught on,
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it was very successful for a
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number of years and in 1988
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we had a fire that ended our
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lease basically in 1988.
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We had opened up a new night
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club in Whistler at the time.
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And so we found a niche very
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quickly in Whistler.
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We had an underground music
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type scene going on which was
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not happening in Whistler so
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we filled a niche that--
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And we became very popular
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over the time.
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>> And at this time
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you were married...
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>> Absolutely.
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>> To your lovely
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wife, Audrey.
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[Lorne] Audrey was a Christian,
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she was brought up a Christian,
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but she compromised her life
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for a number of years and,
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you know, we had a great life
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together in terms of trying to
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carve out our life and try and
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figure out how to live a life
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of significance and make some
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money and have some fun.
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We moved to Whistler and
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life was great
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as far as I was concerned.
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We had a great business,
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I had a good partnership with
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my partner and business just
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continued to grow and grow.
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And so it wasn't until really
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that my life, I think, started
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to get in the way of the
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business because
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I was unhappy inside.
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So years before I had decided
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to get God out of my life,
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in my involvement with Him,
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His involvement with me though
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wasn't over.
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And He continued to...
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I would say...
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interrupt what I was
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going after all of--
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through all of my life
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and I went after it hard.
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I had a drinking problem,
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I had a drug problem,
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I smoked three packs a day.
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I was living fast and
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probably gonna to die young.
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And it wasn't until...
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really, that life started to
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kind of unravel
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that I realized that I...
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I needed to do something about
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my position with God.
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And it was about 1995 when I
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decided to read the Bible
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for myself.
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I had never read the Bible
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before, I was always told
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what the Bible meant.
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And as I was brought up,
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the religion that I was
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brought up in, I felt that I
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couldn't really just trust the
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Bible for exactly what the
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Bible had to say because there
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were so many other things that
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these things didn't actually
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mean what they said.
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And so I quickly got to the
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place where I didn't like the
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Bible, I didn't like God,
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I didn't like the Bible,
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I didn't like the rules.
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I just didn't like the rules
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as a young man either.
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And as I got older I still
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didn't like the rules.
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In fact I still have a problem
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with the rules sometimes.
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But...
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God's working through all of
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that too, but with--
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I decided to read the Bible
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and in reading the Bible I
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started to see things
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that made a lot of sense.
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Without having anybody else to
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tell me what certain things
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meant, I seen a
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symmetry in the Bible,
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where there was a consistency
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in love and in gentleness and
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in patience and in kindness.
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And I started first reading
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the Old Testament,
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start at the beginning,
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and my wife asked me one day
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where I was at in my readings
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of the Bible and I said,
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"Don't worry."
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"Don't worry about it."
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"I'm reading the Bible,"
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"I don't want any--"
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"I don't want any advice from"
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"any Seventh-day Adventist."
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>> Yeah. [chuckles]
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>> And she said, "No."
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She said, "No, I'm just"
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"telling you," she said,
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"You may wanna--"
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"If you wanna learn about"
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"who Jesus really is,"
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"maybe start reading"
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"in the Gospels."
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Well, as it turned out,
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I started to read the Gospels
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not too far along.
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And there was a lot of things
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in the New Testament that made
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a lot of sense and in terms of
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the commandments and the laws,
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the importance of them.
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And that's something that was
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emphasized to me as a young
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man that were kind of
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abolished, they were kind of
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taken care, they were done
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away with, they were kind of
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put off to the side,
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the commandments were not that
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important anymore.
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And that's not what I seen in
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the New Testament.
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That's not what I seen in the
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Old Testament either.
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So I have to confess that the
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reason I was reading the Bible
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wasn't to gain any great
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insight, it was to condemn it,
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just to get rid of it
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because I knew it was packed
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with contradictions and that
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all I had to do was line them
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all up and then just go,
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"There you go."
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"Throw 'em away."
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And...
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But that wasn't to be.
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And as I continued to read the
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Bible, I started to see a lot
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of things that were important
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that I never knew being
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important as a kid,
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as a young man, as anything.
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And all through this time
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my wife is--
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she's going to church, going
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to church up in Pemberton.
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And she's taking the kids and
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I'm harassing her about going
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to church and taking the kids
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and, you know, the whole--
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the whole dialogue there.
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And Audrey comes to me one day
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and she says, "Lorne,
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she says, "I need to speak"
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"with you."
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And I said...
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"Yeah, yeah, let's--"
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you know, "let's chat."
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And Audrey had a look in her
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eyes that I've not seen very
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often and it was a very
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serious look and I knew that
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there was trouble.
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And she said,
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"Lorne, I'm not happy here."
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And I said to her,
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"What do you mean you're not"
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"happy here?"
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I said, "We just built a new"
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"house," I said, "we just"
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"have two brand new vehicles,"
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"we just got back from"
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"a cruise..." you know.
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I said, you know,
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"Audrey, go downtown."
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"You need to spend--"
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We had a place downtown.
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"Go down to Vancouver, spend"
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"some time with your family,"
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you know, "spend some time..."
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She said, "No, that's"
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"not what I mean."
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She said, "I don't like"
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"what's happening to you here"
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"in Whistler, I don't like"
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"my life here in Whistler."
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And I said, "Well," I said,
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"I don't have any intentions"
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"of ever giving up Whistler."
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"Ever."
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And I said, "What's up?"
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And she says, "I wanna be"
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"closer to my church."
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"Ooooh. Oooh, yeah."
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She said, "I want my kids to"
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"go to a Christian school."
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"I wanna be closer"
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to my family."
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She said, "I don't--"
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"I'm not feeling fulfilled"
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"here in Whistler."
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And she said, "I don't like"
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"what's happening to you."
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And I said, "You're gonna"
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"break us up?"
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I said, I think the words I
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used, I said, "You're gonna"
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"bust us up."
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I said, "Why are you willing"
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"to do that?"
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And she said, "Lorne, that's"
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"not my intention."
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She said-- but she said,
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"Jesus is coming again"
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"and I have to get myself"
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"and my children ready"
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"to meet Him."
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And when Audrey...
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When Audrey dropped that on me
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I was humbled and the next
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thing I said was,
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"OK, we'll move."
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And that wasn't me.
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[laughs]
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I'm sorry to say, that was not
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what I was prepared to do.
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And so during this time I went
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to a-- I was invited to a
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prophecy seminar in Vancouver,
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it was in Burnaby, actually.
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And the speaker's name was
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Leo Schreven.
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And we went and we...
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We went to the meeting and
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I just loved it.
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So I did understand that
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Daniel and Revelation were
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sister books
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and that the one was needed to
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understand the other book.
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And this is exactly what the
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speaker was talking about.
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And I went to the meeting,
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I'm listening to the meeting,
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I'm loving the meeting,
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and just towards the end of
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the meeting,
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I just become enraged
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over what was told
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the audience.
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So as I stand up to want to
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leave, Audrey says to me,
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"What's wrong?"
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I said, "I'm not sitting here"
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"listening to that."
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And she said, "To what?"
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And I said,
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"I'm just gettin' outta here."
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And so Audrey gives me a
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comment card in my hand
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and so I--
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She said, "Here,"
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"fill this out."
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And so I fill out the
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comment card
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and I give it to her and I
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went and waited in the car.
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Meanwhile, Audrey had friends
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in the prayer room
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praying for me and she didn't
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know what had gone wrong.
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Nobody understood
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what had gone wrong.
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I think we drove home, I don't
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think I talked about it.
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I got home.
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We were living in a--
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We leased a place in Burnaby.
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I spent the night and I got up
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in the morning and I went back
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to Whistler.
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And...
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That night I'm in
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my condo in Whistler
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and I get a phone call.
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Phone rings,
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pick up the phone,
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and the guy says,
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"Is this Lorne Brownmiller?"
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and I said, "Yeah."
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He said, "This is"
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"Leo Schreven."
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I still remember.
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I went, "Oh, really?"
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"Really? OK..."
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Anyway, I...
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I got angry when I first
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thought about it, but I
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laughed because I was gonna
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give him a blast, right?
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So I said, "You know what?"
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I said, "First of all, I want"
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"to tell you something."
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I said, "I believe..."
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"I believe that the"
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"Adventists have complete"
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"truth on Daniel and"
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"Revelation."
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I said, "It is--"
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"What you preached," I said,
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"was from the Bible."
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And I said, "I loved it."
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I said, "But, Leo,"
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I said, "You're not gonna get"
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"guys like me"
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"ending a meeting the way"
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"you did last night."
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And Leo says,
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"How did I end my meeting?"
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And I said, "Oh, you know how"
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"you ended your meeting, Leo."
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He said, "Why don't you tell"
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"me how I ended my meeting?"
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I said, "I'm not gonna tell"
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"you how you ended your"
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"meeting, you know how you"
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"ended your meeting."
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He said, "Would you please"
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"tell me how I ended"
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"my meeting?"
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And I said, "OK, Leo..."
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"I'll tell you."
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I said, "You told me"
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"that when I left the"
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"building," I said,
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"I was leaving either serving"
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"God or serving the Devil."
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I said to Leo, I said,
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"I don't serve anybody, Leo."
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And in my arrogance I said,
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"Leo, I created myself."
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I said, "I don't"
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"serve anybody."
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And Leo says to me...
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"What don't you understand"
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"about that?"
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And I said,
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"Oh, I understand." I said,
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"Either you serve God or by"
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"default you serve the Devil."
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And when I puked that
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out of my mouth...
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I couldn't believe it.
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In fact I got so quiet,
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Leo had to say,
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"Are you still there?"
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I said, "Yeah," I said,
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"I'm still here, Leo."
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And I said, "Leo," I said,
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"Is that really how it is?"
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He said, "Yep."
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He said, "That's exactly"
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"how it is, Lorne."
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He said, "But I wanna tell"
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"you something," he said,
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"I never ended--"
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I get emotional thinking about
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this every time.
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He said, "I never ended my"
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"meeting that way."
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He said, "I believe the"
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"Holy Spirit wanted you to"
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"hear it like that though."
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And he said,
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"What are you doing?"
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And I said, "I'm just reading"
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"my Bible, Leo."
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And he said, "That's good."
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He said, "Are you doing"
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"anything else?"
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I said, "I'm praying before"
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"I read my Bible."
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He says, "Oh," he says,
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"that's really good."
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And so...
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we ended the conversation,
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I never seen Leo again
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until a couple of years later
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and got to meet him
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and got to know him.
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But that changed everything
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for me because I never...
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I never understood that
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there's two that you serve.
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There's one or the other.
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You cannot--
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It says in the Bible you can't
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serve two masters either.
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So I knew who I was serving
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pretty good.
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And what was interesting about
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my service to the Devil was
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that I never got any peace.
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I never got any sense of calm
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or the peace that I was
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really kind of looking for.
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You know, after you become--
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After you get some money and
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you're able to do these things,
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you wanna have some
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joy and you wanna have some
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peace in your life.
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Well, I was never given that.
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And, you know, the habits that
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you cr-- get involved in,
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they only get worse.
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You know, drugs and booze,
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they seem like a lot of fun
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when you're doing them,
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and they are and I've had
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lots of fun in that vane,
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but it doesn't stay that
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way, it doesn't--
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It becomes all-encompassing
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and it does take over your
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life and control it
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and ruin it eventually.
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And so that's--
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That was that and, you know,
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after that things just started
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to really, really roll for me
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because...
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I was on a different--
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I was on a completely
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different level with God
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and I understood that He did
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desire something good for me.
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>> So tell me about that
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"ah-ha" moment for you.
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How did God speak to you so
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that you saw Him differently?
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>> Yeah...
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Ever since I was a kid,
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as long as I can remember I
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always thought that God needed
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something from me,
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that there was something that
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I had to do for God
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in order for Him to bless me,
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to look after me, to...
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you know...
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to love me, basically.
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That there was something that
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I had to do first.
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And I never realized that when
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God created me, He wanted me
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to have a great childhood,
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He wanted me to have
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good parents, good brothers
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and sisters, you know, that
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was my scenario.
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When I got older, He wanted me
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to have good friends,
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He wanted me to have a good
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job, I chose to have a wife,
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He wanted me to have a great
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wife, and if I had kids He
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wanted me to have obedient,
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loving kids, and if I chose a
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job, He wanted me to have a
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fulfilling job, and to have
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money and to have a house and
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to have all of these things,
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I never knew that.
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I thought that it was always
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something dependent on me.
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And that God desired all of
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this for me,
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He wanted me to have a good,
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healthy body,
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He wanted me to have all of
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these things whether I loved
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Him or not.
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And I never understood that.
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And through my journey,
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when I was able to understand
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that and own that,
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it changed everything
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because not only did God want
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me to have all of this stuff,
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whether I loved Him or not,
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He also, if I wanted to have
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a relationship with Him,
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if I wanted to get in
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deeper with Him,
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He could even promise me more,
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like everlasting life.
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Right? So it changed
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everything for me, like--
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>> But even if you didn't
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accept that, right?
00:20:33.90\00:20:35.26
Like, Jesus said,
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"These things I say to you"
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"that My joy might be in you."
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So He wants us to
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experience joy.
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And whether we accept that or
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not, He still wants us to be
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happy, right?
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And whether we accept
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Him or not,
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that is heart-transforming
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when you realize that that's
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His character.
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It's completely unconditional.
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>> It really is true and,
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you know, the other part of it
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through my journey,
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you know, I just want to share
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with you the gentleness that
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Jesus has had with me
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is incredible,
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and still has for me
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because it's not over yet.
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>> Yeah, exactly.
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It's not forceful, it's not,
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"You don't get it, I'm gonna"
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"push it on you," and
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"just be careful and make"
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"sure you do this right,"
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"it's very gentle."
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>> Yeah, it's always an
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invitation, it's always an
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invitation to get it.
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You know, He wants us to get
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it for ourselves because, see,
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once we get it and own it,
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it's very, very different.
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>> It's very different.
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Yeah.
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>> So, Lorne, now you've
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accepted Jesus into
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your heart.
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Have you always been happy
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with your faith?
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And has it been easy since
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you've done that?
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>> Umm...
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No, it's not, it's not been
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completely easy.
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It's had, you know, some
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really wonderful, wonderful
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points in it,
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but it's not always been easy.
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There's times when,
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I'm going put it this way,
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where I'm just not feelin' it.
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And, you know, when...
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When you journey here,
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when you journey in this life,
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just because you know Jesus,
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doesn't mean it's gonna be--
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gonna be easy.
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Jesus actually promises us
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trouble. [laughs]
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>> Yeah, John 16:33, yeah,
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"In this world, you're gonna"
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"have tribulations."
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>> Right, right.
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>> "Be of good cheer,"
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you know, "I have overcome"
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"the world."
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He is with us, yeah.
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>> Absolutely!
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>> And so that's, you know,
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it in a nutshell that,
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you know, even though we're
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gonna have these trials we've
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got to continue to hold on to
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Jesus because He's the answer
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and He is gonna see you
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through no matter, right?
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Even if it's not a great
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outcome, He's gonna see you
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through and--
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with His promises.
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>> Lorne, can you tell us what
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brings joy in your Christian
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walk to you right now, today?
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>> Well, I gotta tell you,
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I'm involved in a
00:23:03.31\00:23:04.78
fantastic church
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and I believe
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that's where a lot of my joy
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comes from.
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My joy comes from my family as
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well, I've got two great
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grandkids and I'd say to
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anybody, if you can,
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have grandkids first.
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[laughs]
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They're the best!
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I got two great grandkids that
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I get a lot of joy out of
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going to church with
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and just trying to journey
00:23:28.70\00:23:30.47
along with teaching them to
00:23:30.47\00:23:32.31
know and to love Jesus and to
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trust Him.
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I've got two great kids as
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well, Sterling and Amber,
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of course and I've got a great
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wife and I also want to just
00:23:39.75\00:23:41.35
touch on the fact that,
00:23:41.35\00:23:43.22
you know, when you come in as
00:23:43.22\00:23:45.79
a Christian, a new Christian,
00:23:45.79\00:23:48.92
and you come into a family
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that is already there for you,
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so my wife was a Christian,
00:23:54.66\00:23:58.00
it made it very, very easy for
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me to become a Christian.
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It was very, very easy for me
00:24:01.77\00:24:03.30
to give up the drinking
00:24:03.30\00:24:05.67
and the smoking and the drugs.
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And, you know, I'm proud to
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say, and thank you, Jesus
00:24:09.98\00:24:12.41
and thank you, Audrey,
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twenty-two years clean and
00:24:14.22\00:24:15.42
sober this past April.
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And that's the power of God.
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I never asked for it,
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He just gave it to me,
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it was just carte blanche.
00:24:21.06\00:24:22.86
He just allowed it to happen.
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So coming into that community
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and the joy of service
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is really what it's about.
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Jesus said He came to serve
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not to be served.
00:24:32.63\00:24:35.50
Church In the Valley gives
00:24:35.50\00:24:36.71
you that vehicle
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to be able to serve.
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[Mike] So tell me about the
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scriptures, Lorne.
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For you, I know the scriptures
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are really important.
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Tell us a Bible text or some
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texts that have strengthened
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your faith and encouraged you
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on your walk with God.
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[Lorne] I'd have to say
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Proverbs 14, verse 12.
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And it might seem odd, but it
00:24:57.03\00:24:59.36
talks about the fact that
00:24:59.36\00:25:01.03
there seems a way that's right
00:25:01.03\00:25:02.73
unto a man and in its end it
00:25:02.73\00:25:04.70
leads to death.
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It's a good reminder of me
00:25:06.80\00:25:08.54
that I have to stay connected
00:25:08.54\00:25:10.61
to scripture, I have to stay
00:25:10.61\00:25:12.31
connected to Jesus
00:25:12.31\00:25:15.38
because I can't trust myself.
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I can't trust this thing
00:25:17.61\00:25:18.98
called feelings
00:25:18.98\00:25:20.45
because it's deceitful.
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I also like Romans chapter 8,
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the entire chapter because it
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talks about the struggle with
00:25:29.79\00:25:30.86
flesh and the spirit
00:25:30.86\00:25:34.00
and the contrast between the
00:25:34.00\00:25:35.10
two and it helps me to realize
00:25:35.10\00:25:37.70
that I'm not going crazy,
00:25:37.70\00:25:39.10
that I'm--
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That it's just this journey...
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>> It is.
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>> And that I have to continue
00:25:42.60\00:25:44.07
to stay connected.
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>> And that encouragement
00:25:45.21\00:25:46.47
right at the end, no matter
00:25:46.47\00:25:47.94
what, what you go through,
00:25:47.94\00:25:49.51
life or death, nothing's gonna
00:25:49.51\00:25:50.88
separate us from
00:25:50.88\00:25:51.95
the love of God.
00:25:51.95\00:25:53.21
>> Isn't it something. Yeah.
00:25:53.21\00:25:54.42
It's such a beautiful text.
00:25:54.42\00:25:56.22
Absolutely.
00:25:56.22\00:25:57.89
>> Lorne, can we ask you
00:25:57.89\00:25:59.59
to please have the closing
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prayer for us?
00:26:00.76\00:26:02.12
>> Sure, I'd be happy to.
00:26:02.12\00:26:05.13
Father in heaven, as we bow
00:26:05.13\00:26:07.66
before You here because You
00:26:07.66\00:26:08.96
are so worthy, we just want to
00:26:08.96\00:26:10.40
thank you for this
00:26:10.40\00:26:11.37
opportunity today.
00:26:11.37\00:26:13.60
I pray that You, Father, will
00:26:13.60\00:26:16.44
find a heart that wants to
00:26:16.44\00:26:18.61
listen to this story today.
00:26:18.61\00:26:21.71
You have done so much for me
00:26:21.71\00:26:23.45
and for my family
00:26:23.45\00:26:24.75
and I'm so grateful.
00:26:24.75\00:26:26.38
And I know that You long to do
00:26:26.38\00:26:28.15
this for each and every person
00:26:28.15\00:26:29.98
that even slightly wants to
00:26:29.98\00:26:33.05
give You a try.
00:26:33.05\00:26:34.72
I thank You for the ministry
00:26:34.72\00:26:36.46
of It Is Written,
00:26:36.46\00:26:37.89
please bless Mike and René
00:26:37.89\00:26:39.33
in their journey
00:26:39.33\00:26:41.10
and the stories to come.
00:26:41.10\00:26:43.13
And we just want to praise You
00:26:43.13\00:26:44.30
and thank You,
00:26:44.30\00:26:45.67
in Jesus' holy name, amen.
00:26:45.67\00:26:46.80
>> Amen.
00:26:46.80\00:26:48.00
Thank you, Lorne,
00:26:48.00\00:26:49.20
so much for joining us.
00:26:49.20\00:26:50.64
>> Yeah, thank you very much.
00:26:50.64\00:26:51.97
My pleasure.
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