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>> Welcome and
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thank you for joining us
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on It Is Written Canada.
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Today we're going to be
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talking to Maurice Hines who
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is the retail manager at
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The Sprouted Oven here in
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Abbotsford, British Columbia.
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So welcome, Maurice.
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>> My pleasure.
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Thanks for having me.
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>> And we look forward to your
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sharing with us today.
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Tell us a little bit about
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your work to begin with.
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>> Yeah, so as a retail manager
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we have a plant-based facility
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that we provide
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grains, flours, breads
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for those who are interested
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in plant-based living.
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We provide basically
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everything that you need.
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>> Mm-hmm. Healthy living.
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>> Healthy living.
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>> Maurice, can you briefly
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take us briefly back to your
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childhood where your life and
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dreams first started and where
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all of it began?
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>> Yeah, absolutely.
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You know, I was born in
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Jamaica and just the greatest
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life ever, you know,
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just the tropics, running
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around playing.
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Really good experience,
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but when I was ten,
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it's strange enough,
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I had these three life goals:
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to have a bicycle,
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to take karate,
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and to become a pilot,
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to fly an air plane and so
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not quite sure what the
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motivation was, but...
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that's how it started.
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I had a great childhood.
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Loved every moment.
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>> So you had three goals.
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You wanted to
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own your own bicycle,
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do karate, and be a pilot, so...
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>> That's correct.
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>> When did you get
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your bicycle?
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>> Yeah, so as--
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at fifteen I moved to Ontario
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with my family and shortly
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after when I was sixteen I got
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my first bike.
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It was amazing and
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it was a mountain bike and I
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rode all over, all over the
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city, just loved it.
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>> So you were pretty serious
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about biking, I remember your
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uncle once told me that and
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what about the karate?
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Were you as serious
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about that?
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>> Right. So shortly after we--
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I was in a plaza and I
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noticed a sign that said,
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"Karate lessons here"
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and I said, "Fantastic!"
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So my second goal--
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It reminded me of my second
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goal and then I joined up and
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it was basically advertising
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for a six month program.
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Six months that's--
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And I thought, perfect.
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That's all I need, six months.
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No, so I was not serious
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about it,
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it was not a lifetime goal
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per se, you know, it was just
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something I needed to--
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I just wanted to learn how to
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kick and punch and to
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have fun with it.
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>> How did that change?
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>> Well, that changed from a
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six-month commitment to
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a year and a half,
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but what happened was
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after about three or four
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months into the program
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one day I was--
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as I entered the class I was
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asked to go see my sensei
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I walked into his office and
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he said, "Maurice, we're"
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"running a campaign right now"
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"where you can become a"
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"lifetime member of this"
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"organization--"
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"through this karate"
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"organization."
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And I basically said,
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"Well, thank you so much"
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"for the offer,"
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"but I'm not interested."
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"You know, the six-month"
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"program was all I needed"
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"and I'm quite happy"
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"with that."
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And he was very polite, said,
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"OK, thank you so much."
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"OK, go ahead finish class,"
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"have a good day."
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So about an hour later,
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I get another message:
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"Sensei wants to"
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"see you again."
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Mm-Kay, I thought that was
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pretty odd.
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I was just there an hour ago.
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So I walk in, I close the door
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and he said,
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"Have a seat."
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And...
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I don't know what happened,
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but the next thing I know
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I was sitting in the chair
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and I came out of what
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seemed like a trance with a
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pen in my hand
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and I was signing the lifetime
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membership application.
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>> That's weird. Yeah.
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>> Yeah, it's still weird.
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It's been over thirty years
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and it's still weird.
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It's like mind-blowing weird.
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And that began a series of
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really interesting events and
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I became more involved
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than I really wanted to.
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>> So you stuck to that.
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What was your philosophy?
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>> Yeah, so our philosophy was
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whatever it takes
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to get it done and so
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one of the things that we
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adopted was a very
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strict lifestyle.
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I lived out of a day-timer.
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I had a day-timer where I had
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daily goals,
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I had weekly goals,
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two-week goals,
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one-month goals,
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three-month goals,
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six-month goals,
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one-year goals,
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five-year goals.
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I lived out of this
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day-timer and if you wanted to
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talk to me and...
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there was a slot that I
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was doing something, you had
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to book a special time
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to meet with me
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even if you just wanted to
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have a simple conversation.
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>> So all of those are really
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good things.
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Having goals, having--
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sticking, you know, to a
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strict lifestyle that's going
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to be healthy.
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What was your motive?
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>> Our motive was to
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become a God.
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It was to have a great karma,
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to come back as, yeah...
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as someone famous, great.
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>> How do you see that now
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that you're a Christian--
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I mean, you weren't a
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Christian then.
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>> That's right.
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I wasn't raised
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in a Christian home.
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I had no Christian
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affiliation,
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we just did whatever.
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You know there was no
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guidelines, restrictions,
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or anything like that at all.
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>> But you wanted to
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come back as--
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your whole philosophy was to
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come back as a God so it was
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all about you.
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>> That's right.
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You know, now as a Christian,
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you know, I look back,
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absolutely, that's all it was
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and, you know,
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there's a verse here in
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Jeremiah I'd like to share.
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Jeremiah 17, a few verses,
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5, 7, and 9.
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And 5 says:
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And verse 7:
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Verse 9, a very familiar one:
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And that's where I was.
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We were really caught up into
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this mindset that we could
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save ourselves and one of the
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things that early in my
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experience that brought that
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about was one day Sensei lined
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us all up, which he did every
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day, but he lined us up and
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rather than starting the class
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he asked us a question:
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"Who do you believe in?"
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Starting from the lowest belt
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to the senior belt.
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Then everyone gave their
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answer all along the line and
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he got to the senior belt and
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the senior belt said,
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"I believe in me."
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Sensei looked at us and said,
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"That's what I want you"
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"all to say."
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And we started this journey
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thinking and trusting only in
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ourselves and only what we
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could accomplish.
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>> Mmm. So you're doing a lot
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of fighting here.
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Did you ever get injured?
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Did you ever experience a lot
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of pain?
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>> Absolutely, you know...
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It takes a lot of hours to...
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become proficient in anything
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and yeah, we would get hurt.
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We would get bruises.
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One particular event
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I remember clearly,
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I was at a tournament
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in a large city in Ontario
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and I had gone through--
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at my belt level we had gone
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through about half of the
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contestants, but by them I had
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broken both my big toes.
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They were completely jammed.
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Completely broken.
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Just excruciating pain.
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I went to Sensei, found him in
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the crowd and I said,
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"Sensei, I've broken my toes,"
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"I can't continue."
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He turned around, looked at me
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just as if nothing happened
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and he said,
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"Are you still in"
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"the competition?"
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Because the way that it was
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set up was if you--
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every time if you sparred and
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you lost, you would just be
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down for the day.
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You became a spectator for the
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rest of the day.
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Enjoy it that way.
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And I said, "No, I haven't"
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"lost a fight."
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And he said,
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"OK. Forget the pain."
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And so when he told me that,
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it wasn't a foreign thought to
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me because we were trained...
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whenever we got hurt or had
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pain we went into
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what was called--
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we called the
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"White Light Meditation."
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But either we laid down or we
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went into the typical Buddha
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sitting position.
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So when it came to pain or
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trauma, that's how we dealt
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with it.
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So for the whole period I was
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in martial arts, I never had
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a cold, a sniffle, anything.
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I would go--
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as you can see I'm a dark
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complexion and I would go
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sometimes into the change room
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with my friends and I would
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take my shirt off and there
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would be literal fist marks
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left on my body.
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There would be imprints--
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a foot, a foot on my chest.
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You could still see it
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but there was no pain.
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>> No pain.
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>> So you had a lot of these
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experiences where you did
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these mega training.
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Do you want to talk
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about that?
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>> Yeah, mega trainings.
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Mega trainings were like a
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boot camp and so we would
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train for twenty-four hours.
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We would go for two hours
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and have a ten to fifteen
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minute break.
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And through all that we would
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do certain things, specific
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things and around 3:00 in the
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morning we would get into a
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lot of Buddhist philosophy.
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And for most people, as you
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know around 2:00, 3:00 in the
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morning, you're not really
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clear on anything.
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You're pretty foggy and you're
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just dying to sleep.
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But that's how it was.
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And that's how we would have
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all the philosophies on
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Buddhism.
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>> So you weren't
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thinking deeply.
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It was kind of just
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coming at you.
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>> That's right.
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We were basically like
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Sponge Bob.
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We were just soaking
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everything up.
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Whatever came, we embraced it.
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And there were other times
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where we had what we call the
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"Elevator Talk" where we would
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go through an exercise where
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you would start out at the
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tenth floor and you'd pass out
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and around the fifth floor you
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had no idea what was going on
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and you got to the ground
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floor and then you'd be
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awakened, but all that time
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your Sensei was talking to you
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through the whole experience.
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>> And it was all
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being taken in.
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>> And it was all taken in.
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>> How did you know if you
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were on his wave-length?
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>> Yeah, and so he
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demonstrated that very
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clearly for us.
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We were in class one day in
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particular and
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I was sparring,
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literally felt like the hairs
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on the back of my neck
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stood up.
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I just paused,
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stopped and looked around to
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see what was going on and
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there was my Sensei, smiling
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and he just called me over.
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And as I went to him, he said,
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"I just want to see if you're"
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"on my wavelength."
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And he said,
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"Just stand here."
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And he turned around and did
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the same thing to another
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colleague of mine and
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I was just mind-blown.
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I mean, the stories
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go on and on.
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I can tell you so many
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interesting things that
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started to let me really think
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about what I was doing,
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but because I didn't have a
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religious background.
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I didn't have
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any other support system.
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There was really no one I
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could talk to about it.
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It-- even though it seemed
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weird, but you accepted it
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as this is a norm.
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Because initially in the early
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stages when I was thinking
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about, you know,
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thinking about killing people
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all the time,
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I had spoken to my friend
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and he said it was normal.
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But this is what we do.
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>> Just thinking about killing
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people all the time.
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>> This is how we think.
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This is how we function.
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And--
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>> So, Maurice, listening to
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you speaking like this,
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would you say that karate was
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a spiritual experience for you
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or a religious experience
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for you?
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>> Yeah.
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Yeah, it was a religious
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experience because we would
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spend certain classes,
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quite a few,
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as I continued to grow in the
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whole process,
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we would sit,
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a class would be consisting of
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sitting in the dark with
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candles and meditating.
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That would be the whole class.
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And I got very involved.
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I was teaching
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classes of my own.
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Other white belt--
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I was teaching white belts
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or younger classes.
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Lots of little kids.
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We had lots of little kids
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that would be part of this
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club and I was involved with a
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few of my colleagues teaching
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at a local high school.
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I would be teaching grade 9
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self-defence classes.
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>> And some of your fighting
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was in the dark
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or with your hand tied
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behind your back...
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>> Yes.
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>> or with a blindfold on...
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>> Yes.
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>> How'd you do that?
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>> Yeah, so the philosophy
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behind that was to develop a
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never-quit attitude.
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And so we were trained to
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fight with our arms tied
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behind us,
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blind-folded,
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feet tied together,
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so all the different
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scenarios, not all the same.
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So with our feet tied,
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our hands would be free
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or our hands would be tied,
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our feet would be free
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or blind-folded and both your
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hands and feet would be free.
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And so it made you learn
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to adapt to--
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all your senses
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became heightened
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so you didn't just see
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any more, now you could hear.
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You could hear things that you
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wouldn't hear before.
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You would feel things that you
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never felt before.
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And so every sense
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became super heightened.
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>> So where was the turning
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point for you?
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>> The turning point for me
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was I remember a Sunday
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my uncle and aunt,
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they owned a
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stationary supply store
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in a mall
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and they asked me,
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"Can you cover the store"
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"for us one day,"
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"this Sunday."
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And I said, "Sure."
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"OK, I can do it."
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You know, check your calendar,
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check your schedule.
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And so this particular store
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was right across from one of
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those old video stores that
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had these monitors and screens
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and this kid came along,
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I think had to be
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ten, twelve, thirteen
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and he stood right in front of
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one of those screens that I
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wanted to see.
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It troubled me
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and I, of course I, you know,
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I thought, "Fine, I could"
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"take care of this right now."
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So I basically just went into
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a slight meditation,
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of course I can't explain all
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the details right now in this
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interview, but--
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that we would normally do,
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and I whispered to myself--
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he's about fifteen, twenty
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feet away across the hall
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and I said,
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"Move to the left."
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Just whispering to myself
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and opened my eyes and I
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looked at him and he made a
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huge, not just a normal step,
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but a literal, almost a jump
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to the left.
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And I don't know what he was
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looking at, there was nothing
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over where he was at.
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But he made that move
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and the monitor was clear
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and the screen was clear
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and I was like,
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"Oh, this is fantastic!"
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And about ten seconds and it
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dawned on me:
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What did I just do?
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I'm not even in the dojo.
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Because in the dojo, the
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training room, the karate club
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that was normal to do.
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I expected to do that.
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But at this point I said,
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"Here I am"
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"manipulating someone that"
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"is not even conscious"
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"that I just"
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"manipulated them."
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And that's when it started
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to hit me.
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How many other people are
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being manipulated
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and doing things that they're
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not even aware?
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And so, again, I'm not a
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Christian, OK?
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I don't believe in God,
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I mean, I don't
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have any practices,
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any religious affiliation,
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but the first thing that came
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to my mind was I said,
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"This has to be the devil!"
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"This is crazy!"
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"I can't--"
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"This can't be happening!"
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>> And you didn't know
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who the Devil was.
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>> That's right, I didn't know
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who the Devil was and so--
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>> How did you know about
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the Devil?
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You watched a movie...?
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>> Yes, so back when
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I was ten,
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ten was a pivotal
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point for me.
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I watched this movie called,
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The Omen.
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And in this movie was a little
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boy by the name of Damien
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and in the movie it had--
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he had in his head,
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written on his head
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the number 6-- 666.
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I meant--
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it meant nothing to me.
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So at home I had--
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I was given a Bible
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about seven years previous
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and it sat there with
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all my trophies.
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I had a dresser full of
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trophies and medals,
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I had a bookcase full of
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certificates, medals,
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and trophies.
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>> All from karate?
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>> All from karate.
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>> OK.
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>> And there was this Bible.
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>> And you never read it.
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>> I never read it.
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Never opened it.
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And I thought I'm going to
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find out who Satan was.
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So one of the philosophies
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that we had in
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martial arts at the time
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was that if there's a problem,
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you deal with it right away
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because you have to
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be progressive.
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Problem, solve it, move on.
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I felt that what just happened
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to me
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or to this poor kid
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I felt that this
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can't be right, it just--
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there's something about it.
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Again, I wasn't raised a
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Christian, but it just didn't
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feel right
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that this should be happening.
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And I said,
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"It's gotta be the Devil."
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So, you know, in--
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just in my nīve mind,
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I went home, opened this Bible
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and I remember in the movie it
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was in Revelation and so forth
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so I finally fiddled through
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the whole book of Revelation,
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I found where it says,
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you know, "Six hundred" or
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"Six-score-something" and I
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found it and I was like--
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But I was at square one,
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it meant nothing to me, so...
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>> No one could help you.
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>> And no one could help me.
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There was no one
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I could talk to.
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I didn't know anyone, right?
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And my mother at this time had
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become a Christian, but...
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I couldn't even talk to her
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because I don't think anyone
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could relate
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to my experience.
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>> Kind of like the blind
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leading the blind.
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>> Kind of like the blind
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leading the blind.
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>> Absolutely. I couldn't--
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So strange enough,
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everywhere I went,
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I travelled with this Bible
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from that day on
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I had this Bible under my arm.
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It was a little blue Bible
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and I had it with me.
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And a few weeks later,
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I'm not sure if it was the
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following Sunday,
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but a few Sundays later,
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my uncle and aunt, they had to
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go out of town
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and they asked me,
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"Can you cover the store"
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"for me again?"
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And so this is where the
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turning point really happened.
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So...
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Man, so many events.
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But up to this point,
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I said, "Sure."
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Calendar was open, I was still
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involved in karate.
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Never quit at this point,
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but I just knew something
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wasn't right,
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the vibe wasn't right,
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something wasn't right.
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And so I had this Bible under
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my arm and
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this gentleman came by looking
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for my uncle.
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And he asked where my uncle
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was, I said,
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"He's not here today."
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And he looked at me and he
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said, "Are you a Christian?"
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And I said, "What?"
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"Why would you ask me that?"
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Like, "What would give you"
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"such an idea?"
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Like--
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He said, "Well, you have a"
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"Bible under your arm."
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I just said, "Oh, this!"
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I said,
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"No! I'm not a Christian."
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"Does that mean I'm a"
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"Christian because I have"
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"a Bible?"
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"Is that what that means?"
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And he goes, "Well, yeah."
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"Well, why do you have"
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"the Bible?"
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I said, "Well, funny you"
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should ask me."
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"I'm trying to find"
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"the Devil."
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[chuckles]
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As serious as a heart attack,
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that's just where I was.
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You know, I'm trying to find--
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So he looked at me
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and he said, "Oh!"
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And then
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it had to be the Holy Spirit
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guiding this man.
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He said, "Have you ever heard"
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"of the Sabbath?"
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>> Wow!
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>> And I went, "Hmm."
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>> Strange question.
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>> Strange question, I said,
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"Black Sabbath, yeah."
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"I used to listen to them."
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And he goes, "No, no, no, no."
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And then he shifted again.
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And he said, "Have you ever"
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"heard of the Seventh-day"
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"Adventist Church?"
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So, you know, being in Ontario
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and, you know,
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all I know is the
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Catholic Church.
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I said, "Mmm..."
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"Catholic Church..."
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"Baptist Church."
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I said, "No."
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"Never heard of that."
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"Seventh-day Adventist."
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"What is that?"
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And he said, "OK...OK."
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And then he shifted again.
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And he said to me,
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"Would you like to learn how"
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"to play the guitar?"
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And I was blown away!
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Because he didn't know that
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was also one of my goals.
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That was another goal I had.
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I had a lot of goals.
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My day-timer.
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And so I thought,
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"This man's like me."
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"He can read my mind."
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You see, because that's the
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level I was at
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that if someone can connect
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with me then they must have
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the ability to sense
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what I can sense.
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Right?
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Because I would do that with
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other people.
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I would be able to pull out
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their thoughts
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in a sense, in a way.
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And so he said to me,
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"You want to play the guitar?"
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And I said, "Absolutely!"
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"Absolutely I want to learn"
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"to play guitar!"
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And I don't know if I asked
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him how he knew, but was--
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I didn't--
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I was like--
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We connected right away.
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Then he said, "By the way,"
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"if you come over,"
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"I can help you with that"
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"trying to find"
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"the Devil situation."
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I said, "Fine!"
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"When can we meet?"
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You know? And...
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that was kind of the beginning
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a turning point and
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I found out later,
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I found out later with this
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gentleman that he was part of
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a small group that were
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meeting together on a regular
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basis praying to find souls
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that needed to be found.
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Praying for folks.
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And so I met with him and his
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family and he started studying
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with me.
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Actually, he never studied
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with me, his wife did.
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But I explained to him
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in detail,
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everything was fresh
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in my mind,
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I told him everything that
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had happened in Karate Club
00:23:07.78\00:23:08.88
as much as I could
00:23:08.88\00:23:10.59
and he basically told me that
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"You can never go back."
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"You can never go back there."
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And of course that was my
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family in a sense
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and I felt it was--
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I was torn.
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And he basically said,
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"If you go back"
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"you will die."
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And I said,
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"I have to go back"
00:23:26.03\00:23:27.44
"for my bow."
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So I had gotten to weapons
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training and so one of my
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weapons of choice was a bow
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and I said, "I have to go back
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to get my bow."
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And he said, "Well, no."
00:23:34.64\00:23:35.54
"You don't need it."
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"You don't need to go back."
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And that was the last time--
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I have had a few contacts with
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a few of them over the years,
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many, many, many years later,
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but I've stayed away from
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all of it, but
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the whole experience was
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just amazing to see how God
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led me through this valley
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to bring me to this truth
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of knowing that I need to
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trust in Him
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and not in myself.
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>> And now you have a
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different perspective.
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You become a Christian.
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>> Yes.
00:24:07.84\00:24:09.28
>> What from the scriptures
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can kind of help people as we
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close off today?
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>> Absolutely.
00:24:13.52\00:24:15.15
You know, we touched on not
00:24:15.15\00:24:17.29
trusting arm or flesh
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and I find that...
00:24:19.29\00:24:23.73
trusting in God has--
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you know, I believe in the
00:24:26.26\00:24:27.76
philosophy that we can find in
00:24:27.76\00:24:29.23
the Bible called
00:24:29.23\00:24:30.37
Righteousness by Faith
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that our salvation or trust
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can be found in Jesus
00:24:33.67\00:24:35.24
and John 3:16 is a classic
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one, you know...
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And so that has been the
00:24:46.68\00:24:49.32
mantra for me now
00:24:49.32\00:24:51.12
versus the other mantras that
00:24:51.12\00:24:52.92
I used to do in martial arts.
00:24:52.92\00:24:55.36
>> And this also
00:24:55.36\00:24:57.26
kind of reminds me of
00:24:57.26\00:24:59.59
Ephesians 6, verse 12.
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>> Our struggle is not against
00:25:04.90\00:25:06.97
flesh and blood, right?
00:25:06.97\00:25:08.90
That we wrestle not against
00:25:08.90\00:25:10.01
flesh and blood...
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>> So it was a
00:25:20.75\00:25:22.28
spiritual battle...
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>> Absolutely.
00:25:23.32\00:25:24.29
>> And God has rescued you
00:25:24.29\00:25:27.59
from that.
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>> Absolutely.
00:25:28.92\00:25:30.23
>> Now, before we let you go,
00:25:30.23\00:25:31.73
Maurice, did you ever achieve
00:25:31.73\00:25:32.93
your third goal
00:25:32.93\00:25:34.46
of becoming a pilot?
00:25:34.46\00:25:36.23
>> After many years of taking
00:25:36.23\00:25:37.87
ground school--
00:25:37.87\00:25:39.03
ground school was easy,
00:25:39.03\00:25:40.34
many years of still flying,
00:25:40.34\00:25:41.80
I had left karate and had
00:25:41.80\00:25:44.51
become a Christian and on
00:25:44.51\00:25:46.61
December 24th
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I believe it was '91
00:25:49.31\00:25:51.85
I went solo
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and started flying.
00:25:53.72\00:25:55.68
>> So you achieved
00:25:55.68\00:25:56.55
that goal, too.
00:25:56.55\00:25:57.65
>> So I checked that off.
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And so all things are possible
00:25:59.12\00:26:01.59
with God and yeah.
00:26:01.59\00:26:04.59
And so I feel that, you know,
00:26:04.59\00:26:06.93
having these experiences has
00:26:06.93\00:26:10.17
given me the belief that if I
00:26:10.17\00:26:13.20
trust in God, I can accomplish
00:26:13.20\00:26:15.20
many more things and many more
00:26:15.20\00:26:17.14
things for God.
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>> As we close off,
00:26:19.27\00:26:20.48
can I ask you to
00:26:20.48\00:26:21.64
have a word of prayer for us?
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>> Absolutely. OK, let's pray.
00:26:23.31\00:26:26.35
Father in heaven, I want to
00:26:26.35\00:26:27.68
thank You so much for how You
00:26:27.68\00:26:30.02
work in each one of our lives.
00:26:30.02\00:26:32.49
I want to thank You so much
00:26:32.49\00:26:34.02
for directing and for guiding.
00:26:34.02\00:26:36.73
We know, Lord, that without
00:26:36.73\00:26:38.03
You we can't do anything good,
00:26:38.03\00:26:40.40
but with You, Father, all
00:26:40.40\00:26:41.26
things are possible.
00:26:41.26\00:26:43.13
And so we thank You for how
00:26:43.13\00:26:45.03
You've led in my life and each
00:26:45.03\00:26:46.40
one of all our lives because
00:26:46.40\00:26:47.64
we all have a story to tell.
00:26:47.64\00:26:49.90
And so we thank You for Your
00:26:49.90\00:26:51.61
love and for Your mercies.
00:26:51.61\00:26:53.51
For we pray all this in Jesus'
00:26:53.51\00:26:54.91
precious name, amen.
00:26:54.91\00:26:56.08
>> Amen! Maurice thank you
00:26:56.08\00:26:58.08
very much for being with us
00:26:58.08\00:26:59.95
and God truly gave you a gift
00:26:59.95\00:27:03.32
when He gave you that Bible
00:27:03.32\00:27:05.32
and that friend who came along
00:27:05.32\00:27:07.26
so thank you for sharing
00:27:07.26\00:27:08.06
with us.
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>> My pleasure.
00:27:08.82\00:27:09.66
Thank you for having me.
00:27:09.66\00:27:10.76
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He says, "It Is Written,"
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"man shall not live by"
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"bread alone, but by every"
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"word that proceeds"
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"out of the mouth of God."
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