>> This morning, in my quiet
time with the Lord, I was
reading these words in my
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Bible -- "Then the Word of the
Lord came to me, saying: 'Before
I formed you in the womb,
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I knew you. Before you
were born, I sanctified you.'"
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Do you realize what that's
saying to you personally? Did
you know that God knew you
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before you were born? He had
a plan for your life, a divine
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purpose for your existence. >>
In Jeremiah 29:11-14, the Lord
plainly tells you these
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words. Now I want you to hear
these words as God's words to
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you personally. Yeah, they are.
"'For I know the plans I have
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for you,' declares the Lord,
'plans to prosper you and not to
harm you, plans to give you hope
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and a future. Then you will call
on me and come and pray to me,
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and I will listen to you. You
will seek me and find me when
you seek with all your
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heart. I will be found
by you,' declares the Lord."
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>> So, today we are going to be
talking to Dr. Nadine Plummer,
N.D., and she's gonna be talking
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about how she discovered
the purpose of her life. >> Dr.
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Plummer has had a fascinating
journey to get to where she is
right now in her life.
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She was once a Buddhist living
in China for many years. >> A
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Buddhist? You might be
wondering, "Why is she on a
Christian TV program?" Well, we
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asked her to come in and tell
you that story herself here on
"It Is Written Canada." And as
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she shares that story, you're
gonna see how she clearly came
to an understanding of the
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meaning and purpose of her life.
So, after this, we're gonna be
talking to Dr. Nadine Plummer,
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N.D. ¤¤ ¤¤
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¤¤ Welcome back,
and thank you for
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joining us on "It
Is Written Canada."
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As we promised, we are
here with Dr. Nadine Plummer.
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And we're gonna be talking
about the meaning of life.
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And we've been
looking at Jeremiah.
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And Jeremiah 33:3 tells us that
we can call upon the Lord and He
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will answer us and He's gonna
show us things that we do not
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know.
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So, welcome, and thank you
for joining us. >> Thank you.
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>> So, Dr. Plummer, let's start
with where you are today. You're
a naturopathic doctor.
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>> Correct. >> What made
you interested in naturopathic
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medicine? >> I actually got
interested in naturopathic
medicine when I myself got sick.
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So, I was living in China. This
is several years ago. I lived
there for many years.
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And after being in mainland
China and -- between Taiwan and
mainland China at least four
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years, I got quite sick. And
I knew that I had the option of
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coming home. I thought, "If I go
home, I might be put on
medication," which I wasn't
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anti-medication, but I was so
sick that I just thought -- I
was wondering if there was a
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more natural way of addressing
it, if I could go somewhere
closer rather than flying all
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the way back to Toronto. So,
I had heard of a detox center in
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Thailand and I was told that it
was run by Buddhists and I was
Buddhist at the time -- so, a
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Buddhist detox center. So I went
there instead. And when I got
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there, I started seeing a
nutritionist. I was open to
trying everything. I went for
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acupuncture. I saw a
nutritionist. I went -- I
stopped eating all meat.
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At that time, I ate everything.
Like, I ate pork, bullfrog. You
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name it. Duck fat. 'Cause I was
living in China in a certain
city in Guangdong, where that's
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the type of cuisine there.
And so it was advised that I cut
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everything out. I became an
all-raw vegan. I started
exercising. I started
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meditating. The acupuncture was
weekly, et cetera. And at the
end of three months,
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I started taking supplements. I
started reading a book by Linda
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Lazarides called "Nutritional
Therapy." And I was so inspired
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by this book. I was doing
fasting. And I put myself on a
series of supplements.
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So, at the end of three months,
everything was better and I was
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kind of healed. And I thought,
"Oh, that's what I want to do
when I get back to Canada."
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And shortly after that, I got
the opportunity to work at a
Chinese-medicine retreat center.
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So, I worked there, and I also
studied there. I studied -- I
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did a 108-day program called a
medical martial-arts
certification. So, we took
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botanical herbs. We studied
hydrotherapy, acupuncture again,
and kung fu. And at the end of
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all of that, I thought, "Okay, I
am equipped and ready to do
this, like, as a career when I
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come back to Canada." >> So, how
long was your stay altogether in
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China, from when you got there
until you decided to come back
to -- >> It was about six years.
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>> Oh. >> Yeah. >> So,
you decided to become a
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naturopathic doctor. >> Mm-hmm.
>> I'm sure it didn't happen
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overnight. >> No.
>> Yeah. Long process?
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>> Very long process. I decide
to become -- I didn't actually
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know the term "naturopathic
doctor" at that time. So, that
was maybe in the year
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2001, 2002. I came home in
2003. And I wanted to become a
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nutritional therapist, but I
also wanted to do acupuncture
and incorporate these two
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things. So, I had a very
good friend who is a little bit
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older. He had acted as a mentor
for many years. And I approached
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him and said, "Okay, so, what do
you suggest? What should I
study? What incorporates all of
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these things -- the nutrition,
the acupuncture, the
supplements?" And he said that
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there was a college in Toronto
called the Canadian College of
Naturopathic Medicine.
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I should go there and become a
naturopathic doctor. So, that's
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the first time I heard that
term. >> Mm-hmm. >> And I was
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like, "Okay, amazing." >>
Mm-hmm. >> I thought it would be
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easy. >> Mm-hmm. >> And I looked
into it, and I didn't have any
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of the -- I mean, not that I
didn't have any -- I didn't have
the required science
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prerequisites. >> Yes. >> And
when I found out the tuition,
which seemed like an
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incredible amount at that time,
I thought, "I will never be able
to go to this school," because I
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just -- I couldn't foresee that
I'd ever be able to afford it.
>> So, it was pretty expensive?
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>> Very, very expensive. Yeah.
>> So, you were born and raised
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in Canada. How did you become a
Buddhist? >> I was born and
raised in the GTA, born in
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Toronto, raised in the Greater
Toronto Area. I actually grew up
Christian. We grew up going to
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the Anglican Church. >>
Mm-hmm. >> And I went to the
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Anglican Church till I was about
maybe 13 or so. We went through
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first communion in the Anglican
Church. I mean, we went every
Sunday, from what I remember.
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I didn't really understand
Christianity at that time, but I
understood that I was a
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"Christian." >> Mm-hmm. >>
I think I got really freaked
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out because a lot of the sermons
were about gnashing of teeth and
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hell and -- >> It was
frightening. Yeah. >> Very
frightening. And I thought, "Oh,
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no. You know, like, a big stroke
of lightning's gonna come out of
nowhere and just blow me away."
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So, I kind of veered away. There
was a long process, but veered
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right away from Christianity to
the point of being completely
agnostic and not even wanting to
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talk to Christians 'cause I
thought, "Oh, they're just gonna
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try to get you..." >> Mm-hmm. >>
"...bring you into the church."
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And so I was agnostic for quite
a while, but I just -- I guess
it was -- I had experienced a
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lot of trauma and upset. My dad
had passed away suddenly when I
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was quite young. And those made
me start questioning at a young
age, like at about 11,
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"What is life all about if
something like that can happen
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like that?" You think your life
is like this, and tomorrow it's
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like that. So, those questions
had started very early. >>
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Mm-hmm. >> By time I went to
Asia, I was a complete agnostic,
but I was looking, searching
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for, "Okay, there must be more
to life. And why do people die?
What is -- What is life?
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What is death? What happens
after we die? If we're only here
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for a limited period of time..."
>> Mm-hmm. >> "...what is the
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meaning of that period of time
we're here for? Like, there has
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to be more than, we just live
and then we die and we become
part of the ground." So, as I
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started that searching, and I
was really into reading at the
time, I started doing some
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reading. I read a book by Thich
Nhat Hanh, several of his books.
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He's a Zen Buddhist monk.
>> Mm-hmm. >> And I read "The
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Prophet" by Kahlil Gibran, who
was a Lebanese philosopher. So,
all of these books were a
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little more spiritual. >>
Mm-hmm. >> I read "The Tao Of
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Peace." And as I got more
into the Eastern philosophies in
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reading... >> Mm-hmm. >> ...I
became more open to Buddhism.
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I had a very good friend in
Taipei who was a Buddhist, and
she started taking me to her
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temple. >> Mm-hmm. >>
And so it was between going
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with my really good friend and
reading these books and then the
books led to Buddhist
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meditations and doing the
meditations led to actually
going to monastery stays.
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So, I really just embraced
it because -- >> You got pretty
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deep into it. >> Oh, yeah. >>
And how many years were you in
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China? >> Six years. >>
And while you were there, you
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learned Chinese? >> I did, yeah.
>> Or Mandarin? >> Mandarin.
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>> And you spoke Mandarin. >>
Yeah. >> So, how'd you become a
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Christian? >> Oh, that's a long
story. >> Yeah, that's a long
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story. But, I mean, you became
a Buddhist while you were in
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China... >> Yeah. >> ...then
becoming a Christian was --
that's a big part of it.
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>> So, I became a Christian. The
interesting thing is, in
becoming a Buddhist, as I said,
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that was more reading. But I had
that gnawing search, right, in
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my heart. >> Mm. >> I wanted
to know what is this life all
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about? And I remember leaving
Canada. >> Yeah. >> And I said,
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"I'm not coming back until I
know the purpose of life." That
was actually what I said to
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myself. And I remember
coming home and meeting my best
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friend's cousin. >> Mm-hmm. >>
And I told her -- It was just on
a trip shortly before I moved
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back, and I said, "I feel like I
can come home now..." >> Mm-hmm.
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>> "...because I understand
the purpose of life." >> Mm-hmm.
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>> So, the truth is, I actually
didn't know. I thought I knew,
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but now I know that it was just
a step in the right direction.
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>> Mm-hmm. >> But I became a
Buddhist through reading,
meditation, et cetera, a good
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friend, and then I embraced it.
But that kind of little gnawing
thing never 100% went away.
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I would say maybe 75%. I became
a Christian because I had a very
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strong spiritual experience. So,
my Buddhism had been much more
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intellectual. >> Okay.
>> I embraced it. >> Mm-hmm.
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>> And I did have a few
spiritual experiences. But when
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I was living in Thailand, in the
house where I was staying, I got
very spooked. Something happened
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in that house. I felt like there
was something in the house that
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was -- I don't know -- not
human, you could say. And,
funny, even though I was
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Buddhist, I didn't really
believe that much in spirits or
in the supernatural.
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I believed in reincarnation, and
all of the supernatural stuff
kind of happened during that
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process of reincarnation, if you
want to call it that. So, when
this happened, I was
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completely freaked out... >>
Mm-hmm. >> ...like, "Oh, maybe
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there are things around
that we don't see." >> Mm-hmm.
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>> I didn't believe in God
because I felt you could be a
Buddhist without believing in
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God, the God that I now believe
in. Funny enough, at that time,
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my mom flew in from Thailand.
So, I would -- From Toronto. I
would say I was kind of in the
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midst of a spiritual crisis
maybe. And nobody had visited me
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for five years. So, out of that
entire period, she arrived then.
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I picked her up at the airport.
I said, "Mom, I think my house
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is haunted." I thought she would
freak out. Like -- And she had
told me. I really didn't take a
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lot of my mom's advice because
my mom was a Christian and I had
already kind of "denounced"
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Christianity. >> So
you cut her off. >> Yeah.
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Anything she has to say, well,
it can't be that much -- you
know, that much truth in it.
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Take it with a huge grain of,
salt, many grains of salt. So,
she had told me prior to
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that, "Just to be careful. Don't
look too much into things that
were of a spiritual nature
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because you're inviting things
in, basically." And I didn't
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understand that at all at the
time. So, I had been reading all
of these books and practicing
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different things which I thought
were of no consequence except to
help me understand myself.
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So, when she arrived, I said, "I
think the house is haunted. Just
want to let you know."
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We were driving from the airport
to the house. So, on that short
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time, I warned her, you know,
"Before you step in the house, I
think there's something in
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there." And she was so calm
about it. And we got in the
house, and she said, "No
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problem. I'm just gonna say a
prayer." I thought she would
freak out. So, really, that was
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one of the first things. She
said that prayer, and it was
like there was this palpable
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peace that kind of descended
on the house. I could feel it.
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>> Mm. >> And once she stepped
in, whatever I had felt before
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was gone. >> Mm-hmm. >>
And I remember thinking,
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"Okay, my mom has to stay here
'cause it came with her. So when
she leaves, whatever it
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was is still there." >> You're
gonna lose that peace. >> That's
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right. >> Yeah. >> So I asked
her, "When you leave, can you
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please send me Bible passages?"
Because when my mom was there, I
saw her in a different light.
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"Okay, she said this prayer.
Maybe she knows things." I asked
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her some things -- "Mom, do you
believe in aliens?" And I
thought all Christians were so
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conservative. Christians can
never believe in aliens. And she
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said, "I do." And I was like,
"Oh, wow. Really? Why do you
believe in aliens?"
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And so she said, "Well, I think
the Bible alludes to the idea of
life greater than us being here
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on this Earth." >> Mm-hmm.
>> And I was like, "Oh, my gosh.
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Wow." And I don't remember the
questions, but I asked two or
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three questions that seemed like
really deep questions to me. She
had all the answers, and she
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said that the answers came from
the Bible. So I asked her to
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send me a Bible passage every
day, e-mail me a Bible passage
every day, which I have to say
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-- and thank you, Mom -- she
e-mailed me a Bible passage
every day. And that was partly
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for protection. I thought, "If
I read this every day, like, the
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house will be okay." >> Mm-hmm.
>> But a few months prior to
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that, my mom sent me a magazine
while I was in China, and it was
a Christian magazine called
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Sign of the Times. And I
actually read it. And I found it
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just gave me a different
perspective on Christianity. >>
So, Dr. Plummer, that
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magazine really made a huge
impact in your life >> It did.
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It kind of stayed in the
back of my mind, you know? Yeah.
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>> So, we're gonna take a break,
and before we continue, we're
gonna listen to a song.
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[ "Mighty Fortress
Is Our God" plays ] ¤¤
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¤¤ ¤¤ ¤¤
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¤¤ ¤¤ [ Choir vocalizing ]
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¤¤ ¤¤ ¤¤
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¤¤ >> ¤ A mighty
fortress is our God ¤
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¤ A bulwark never failing ¤ Our
helper, He, amid the flood of
mortal ills prevailing ¤
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>> ¤ For still our ancient foe
doth seek to work us woe ¤ ¤ His
craft and pow'r are great
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great ¤ ¤ And armed with cruel
hate >> ¤ On earth is not his
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equal >> ¤ Did we in our own
strength confide ¤ ¤ Our
striving would be losing
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¤ Were not the right Man on our
side ¤ ¤ The Man of God's own
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choosing ¤ >> ¤ Dost ask who
that may be? ¤ Christ Jesus, it
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is He ¤ Lord Sabaoth His name ¤
From age to age the same ¤ And
He must win the battle
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>> "A mighty fortress is our
God" -- those words are so true.
And we are back with our guest,
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Dr. Nadine Plummer, N.D. And
she's been talking to us about
the meaning and finding
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the purpose of
life. >> Mm-hmm. >> Yeah.
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>> I just want to say that "A
Mighty Fortress is our God" is
my favorite hymn and also my
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grandmother's favorite hymn, so
it was really nice to hear that
you were playing it.
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>> Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,
that we chose that actual song.
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So, you were telling about how
you were a Buddhist and you
became a Christian.
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>> Right. And I had mentioned
that my mom had sent me a
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magazine called Signs of the
Times. And prior to that, when
she sent me anything, I just
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kind of discarded it because
it was "Christian." But I read
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that. That was prior to her
arrival. And what it was about
that magazine is there were
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stories in it about people who
were trying to transform their
lives, and that's what I was
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trying to do through Buddhism.
And, really, that's what
happened through Christianity.
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I had a great life
transformation. So, when I read
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that magazine, it kind of primed
me that there's more in
Christianity than just being a
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"good person" or -- There's more
to Christianity. It really is
about life and life
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transformation and it's about
Jesus Christ, but I didn't quite
know that piece yet.
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But when I moved to Ottawa -- I
moved there to be a little
closer to my brother's family --
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I had a very good friend at work
who was a Christian, only one
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Christian friend. And she seemed
kind of cool. I avoided most
Christians, but I really liked
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her. And we worked together. And
in my job, I was kind of moving
up, and suddenly I lost
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my contract. And I had had -- I
was the kind of person who had,
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like, a five-year plan. I knew
exactly what was gonna happen,
what I thought would
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happen, and it was
gone like that... >> Mm.
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>> ...something like when I was
a child and I lost my dad and it
made me wonder about the meaning
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of life. So, again, there I was
thinking, "What's the meaning of
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life if everything you think's
gonna happen could be gone like
that?" And that friend mentioned
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to me that her church was
running a 13-week course on the
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meaning of life. That's exactly
what I was looking for. >>
That's what you were looking
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for, yeah. >> So, I attended.
She didn't mentioned that it was
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Christian. And if I had known,
I probably wouldn't have gone.
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I was very -- I was more
New Agey at that time. So, I
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attended. I ended up attending
for 13 weeks. Every week, I
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thought, "I'm not going back."
And it was like the Holy Spirit
every Tuesday would be like,
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"Weren't those people nice? Just
go again." So, by the end, I was
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completely converted. When I
prayed, I felt the presence of
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the Holy Spirit. And at the end
of that, I dedicated my life to
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Jesus Christ. >> That is a huge
transformation. >> Yeah, it was
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a big shift. >> And the people
around you -- did they notice
there was something different?
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>> Well, I was on fire. I mean,
everyone I met, I was like,
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"Guess what! I'm a born-again
Christian! And God is
supernatural! Jesus Christ -- I
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accepted Him as my Lord and
Savior." I mean, people were
like, "What has happened to
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you?" >> So, you were a person
who was, "Get me away from
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Christianity." >> Yes. >> "I
want to be, you know, finding my
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own meaning in Buddhism and, you
know, going to the Middle East
and everything." Or -- sorry --
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to -- >> Asia. >> Asia. And
experiencing -- >> I did go the
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Middle East eventually,
but... >> And you did a lot of
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traveling... >> I did, yeah. >>
...and a lot of searching. And
then you finally came home,
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and then it's like, "Whoa,
what is this? Christianity?
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It means something?" And it
meant so much to you. >> And --
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It did. And I feel like
that, even in Buddhism, what was
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missing was Jesus. For me, Jesus
Christ was missing, so when I
accepted Jesus as my Lord and
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Savior, that gnawing, searching
feeling -- it was -- it was
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gone. And I realized that Jesus
Christ is the meaning of life.
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>> Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, Dr.
Plummer, what do you feel that
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your mission is right now? >> My
mission combines a spiritual
mission as well as a
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medical mission. So, really,
with my patients and with anyone
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I have the opportunity to be
with or talk to, it's to help
kind of veer people towards
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holistic health, towards
spiritual health, mental health,
emotional health, physical
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health. >> Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So
it's holistic health. >> Yeah.
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>> So, could you give advice?
What kind of advice would you
give to someone who is
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struggling, say, with an
illness? You know, you're a
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naturopathic doctor. Let's say a
physical, emotional, spiritual
illness -- what kind
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of advice would you give them?
>> As a Christian, I mean, if
that person were also Christian,
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I'd say, you know, "Cast all of
your cares on Christ." Often
when you get a diagnosis,
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what I've noticed is people
get very anxious. They get very
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stressed out, you know, which
just then makes it worse. So,
dealing with that stress and
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dealing with that anxiety --
that would be the first step. So
I'd start with prayer or
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address the stress and anxiety,
and then after that, start
seeking, you know, excellent
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medical care. But keep in mind
that we're spiritual, mental,
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emotional beings, so the
spiritual aspect for me is quite
important to incorporate.
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>> Very important. There's such
a strategy to that, isn't there?
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I mean, this is different
than just going out and giving a
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pill. >> Yes. Yeah. >> This is
sitting down and understanding
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the person and praying with
them. >> It's looking at the
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entire person. >> Do you pray
with people? >> I do. I do. If
people are open to it, I pray
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with them. If they tell me that
they're Christian, then I pray
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with them. If they are not
Christian and don't mention
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anything about it, then I don't.
>> What about the Bible? Does
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that ever come in? Do you ever
talk about the Bible, or do you
ever give a Bible promise or --
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if you know they're Christian?
>> Yeah, if I know they're
Christian and it ties in.
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Like, if that person has a lot
of anxiety, I might say, you
know, "There's a Bible verse
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that says, 'Be anxious
for nothing.'" >> Mm-hmm.
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>> And so with certain Christian
patients, I do bring in Bible
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verses. >> Tell me your favorite
Bible verse. >> It is, I think,
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Luke 1:37. I have several.
The one from Jeremiah, Jeremiah
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29:11. I love
Jeremiah 33:3. Amazing.
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And I think it's Luke 1:37...
>> Yes, I'll find it for you.
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>> ...which is, "With the
Lord, nothing is impossible.
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>> That's absolutely it, yeah.
"With the Lord, nothing shall be
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impossible."
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>> Yeah. >> So, one more
question. For those that are
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listening to our program today,
what would you say to someone
who is searching for the meaning
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of life just as you did? Right.
I would say it's important for
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them to understand that there is
a reason why they're here, that
there's a purpose for their
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life, and that purpose goes
beyond themselves. Like, the
greater purpose for
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their life comes from God. It
comes from Christ. But knowing
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that you're important and the
fact that you live here on Earth
is also significant and that
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there's a specific purpose. I
actually read a book about
having a life purpose when I
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first became Christian, and that
really helped me. So, really
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seeking out that purpose and
finding it in Jesus -- that
would be my advice to them.
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>> It's wonderful. >> It's
wonderful advice. >> Thank you
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so much. >> You're welcome. >>
Thank you for sharing that.
Friends, we have an offer for
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you, and it is, actually, the
Signs of the Times. And that was
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before Nadine told us that she
had found that meaning in her
life from reading that magazine.
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This magazine is called "The
Benefits of Belief." >> Mm. So
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important. >> So, the benefits
of belief -- you find the
benefits of prayer, the benefits
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of reading the Scriptures, the
benefits of belonging to a
church, a community of faith,
00:27:18.67\00:27:24.54
and the benefits of forgiveness,
and so many more benefits that
00:27:24.54\00:27:29.71
we find in belief. So, thank you
very much, Dr. Nadine Plummer,
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for coming in. So, friends,
if you would like this magazine,
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you can contact us through the
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right now. So, we're just going
to have a word of prayer to
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close off. Rene, would
you like to pray for us?
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>> Dear God and Heavenly Father,
thank you so much for the
opportunity of us meeting today
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with Dr. Nadine Plummer. Lord,
we want to thank you that you
care about each of us
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and that we have a purpose. You
have given us a purpose to live.
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And, Lord, I pray that we will
be filled with your spirit, get
to know you better,
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and live for you because you are
the life-giver. I pray this in
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your precious name.
Amen. >> Amen. Amen.
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>> Amen. >> So, friends, thank
you for joining us, and remember
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the words of Jesus, wherein He
said, "It is written: 'Man shall
not live by bread alone, but by
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every word that proceeds
out of the mouth of God.'"
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