い >> Krissy was
a really good woman.
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But I became aware that
she was having an affair. That
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devastated me. >> It kind of hit
him hard, and he was looking for
answers. Finally, he said, you
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know, "Do you have a Bible?" >>
I started looking back at our
marriage, and I started looking
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back at how I treated her. And
I asked her for her forgiveness.
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And the feeling of peace
and joy came upon me that was so
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powerful. >> I get a call from
Vasil. He was frantic. He goes,
"I can't get in touch
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with -- with anyone at the
house. I go, "Listen," I go, "I
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think it's best you call 911. >>
I showed up at the house, and
they were putting tape around
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the house, police were. >>
We couldn't process what was
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happening, and we were just in
shock. >> There will never be
another day like that.
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I lost half -- more than half
my family that day. >> I saw his
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pain, but I also saw a glitter
of light. And I knew that,
"Okay, the Lord is here.
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He's here with him." い い
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>> It, uh, goes in your mouth
like this. >> You just open
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this. >> Oh! い い
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[ Cheers and applause
] [ Indistinct shouting ]
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い い
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>> Met Vas two-thousand and --
I'm gonna say 2002, 2003. Great
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guy. We were on a fairly large
project. Vas would tell us how
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beautiful his wife was. Amongst
guys, we would -- we would have
this kind of teasing
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each other and jogging each
other a bit. Anyways, so, Vas
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tells us his wife is beautiful
and she's a sweetheart and
whatever. And we said, "Okay,"
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you know, "yeah, right, right,
right." Anyways, Gino comes to
me -- "Rob, come here.
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You got to come see this." I go,
"Oh, what is it?" He goes, "Vas'
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wife's here. She's downstairs."
He goes, "You got to see her." I
said, "What, really?"
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He goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come." So, come down the stairs
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of this project. As I'm walking
down, I see this tall,
dark-haired woman walking
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around." And she goes, "Hi.
I'm Krissy." And she has this
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accent. And I shake her hand and
Gino looks at me and he's got an
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ear-to-ear grin. And Vas wasn't
kidding. She was a very
beautiful girl. [ Chuckles ]
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And we're sitting there going,
"How did you get her?" right out
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loud. So, it was a fun time. And
he's smiling ear to ear. Our
kids were approximately the
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same age, a year or so apart.
And they hit it off, and my
wife, Nadia, and his wife,
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Krissy, hit it off. And we'd
get together. And the kids were
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young. They were very young
still. So, at that stage, you
know, their interaction was very
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limited. We didn't live close to
each other, but when we did get
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together, they hung out and they
got along fairly well,
especially the girls.
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Roy's hockey. He was in it all
the time. So, I would call him
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and go, "So, what are you up
to?" He goes, "Oh, I'm --" He
was either traveling
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somewhere every weekend, all
the time. It was like Thursday,
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Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday
he was involved with hockey,
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very dedicated. And I used to
say to him, "I don't know how
you do it. I don't know how you
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do it." Roy obviously was very
good at it. And if he's good at
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it, he had to like it. So -- And
his dad supported him in every
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way. >> Do you remember when the
tragedy happened? >> Yeah, I do.
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Yeah, I do. Um... Um...
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[ Breathes deeply ] Sorry.
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>> You show up at this event,
and you can't get in. You can't
get into the house.
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It's cordoned off. And then, you
know, you hear your son has
passed away inside.
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And then the first time that
you get a chance to actually see
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them? >> Hmm. So, that was the
first time I felt the power of
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the Lord. That was the first
true prayer He answered for me.
And the reason I say that is...
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I was able to say goodbye to
Vana, my youngest daughter, at
the hospital when we were
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all there. But I didn't see
Roy that day. And 10 days passed
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from the day of the tragedy to
the day of the viewing. And I
remember the day before
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the viewing waking up and
realizing that, "Tomorrow I'm
gonna have to see my boy in a
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casket." >> Mm. >> [
Exhales sharply ] It was --
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I was terrified. There's no
other word to describe what I
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was feeling. I literally was
shaking in fear. I remember that
whole day just shaking and
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praying, and the only words that
were coming out of my mouth --
"Jesus, give me strength.
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Jesus, comfort my heart. Jesus,
give me the courage to go,"
'cause I did not want to go
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to the viewing. I did not. I
was convinced I was not gonna
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show up the next day. And
that whole day, I prayed those
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prayers. That next day, I woke
up, and I felt better. I knew I
had to go through with
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it. I was the father. It
was just -- It was a fear
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that I'd never experienced
before. I remember getting to
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the -- the funeral home. And
Victoria and myself -- we had
some alone time with all
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three of them, which was very,
very difficult. There was
approximately 4,000
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people that showed up to the --
the funeral home. The lineup to
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get to -- to get to me, I heard,
was two to three hours people
waited in line. I stood up at
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the front of the line, and I
greeted everybody that came
through that door. And that's
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where the miracle of the prayers
worked for me. That was the
first time I felt His powers --
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because that day there was times
where I felt like I was gonna
fall down. And I just felt the
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Lord pick me up. And I stood
there for eight hours, and I
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greeted 4,000 people. And I
remember that I was consoling
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everybody that was coming
through the door, and I'm
telling them, "It's gonna be
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okay. Just be strong." It was
amazing, the power and the
strength I felt on that day.
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I really, truly felt the Lord
that day, and that's the first
time He answered my prayers.
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And I knew He was real. It
was amazing. It was amazing that
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day, what He did for me. >>
Well, the good thing is, it
brought a lot of us back
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together, the core group,
because we all have our lives
and we all have our different
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children at different ages. And,
I mean, we all live in the same
area, but this brought us
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all back together. And it was a
village that held hands with Vas
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and Victoria in the middle, and
we all were a circle around
them. And we all helped each
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other to get through what we had
to go through. So, the funeral
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planning -- People are extremely
generous and supportive. And my
heart was filled with
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love. There was no hate.
It was just a community of
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beautiful people helping in this
time of tragedy, and I was
overwhelmed with the love that
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we felt. >> We were blessed
again with a multitude of
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people, family and friends, that
-- My house was filled for
months on end, two to three
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months. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >>
There was always a minimum of
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5 to 10 people here, up to 30
to 40 people here that were here
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daily... >> Yes. >>
...supporting us with everything
from food and comfort
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and love and things that needed
to get done that I just didn't
have the strength to take care
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of. I couldn't do it on my own.
And that was a very powerful
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moment in my life that I felt my
prayers were answered. >> After
all the things came up
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of what took place, everybody
was coming to the house. And I
didn't know if I should
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come to the house. I said to my
wife -- I said, "I don't want to
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interrupt." She said, "No. Go.
You got to go." So, we got here,
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and we saw Vas. And...Vas was in
a state of just -- like a
zombie. He said the house was
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full, rammed. And that's kind
of why I was kind of unsure of
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whether I should be there or
not, because I figured there'd
be so many people and didn't
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know, really, what to do. So I
came back on the weekend. They
were all sitting here on a
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table. I told Vas this.
They pulled out the Bible.
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And they opened it up and
started reading. It just moved
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me. And it -- And it -- And I
said to him later on -- I don't
know if he even recalls.
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I said, "To me, that was a
miracle." There was something I
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can't even probably describe or
know the words to describe. I
felt a presence that I
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couldn't explain and the love in
the room. And until you actually
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experience that... I don't
think anybody would be able to
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comprehend it. And that was the
moment that changed -- that was
a pinnacle moment that changed
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me right there. >> So, where did
anger come in? >> I can't really
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say that there was that much
anger in my heart. >> Mm-hmm. >>
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I was broken. >> Mm-hmm. >> I
was broken. I didn't think about
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anything about him during that
time. I was mourning. I was sad.
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I was really sad. I was sad and
broken, really. Those are the
best way I could explain my
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feelings in those first couple
weeks. But I do remember a very
good friend of mine, John -- he
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came and visited me a few weeks
after -- probably a couple weeks
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after the funeral. And he would
come visit me a couple times a
week, and we would sit outside
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and just have a good chat. And,
you know, it just dawned upon me
-- 'cause he was asking
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me questions about him. And it
dawned up on me that He didn't
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really come into my mind. I just
realized at that point that I
had forgiven him already.
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>> Well, this is one of the
biggest changes I've noticed
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about Vas. He wasn't a forgiving
guy when I knew him. And when he
told me, "Rob, I've
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forgiven him and I've prayed for
him" -- And I just was quiet.
And there was a kind of envy,
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you know, like, "That's
incredible." And then he
explained, "You have
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to forgive. You do it for
yourself, but you also --
Because this is what's
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being asked of us." And as it
says -- you know, they say -- as
Jesus said, it's easy
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to forgive your loved ones, but
those who basically persecute
you or wish you ill will --
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those are the ones you pray for,
or who hurt you -- those are the
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ones you pray for. It's almost
like that separates the men from
the boys. That's the challenge.
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If you can get to that point, I
guess you start receiving the
Holy Spirit because that's what
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you have to do to receive the
Holy Spirit, you know? You have
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to forgive. You have to repent.
You have to have faith. And you
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won't receive the Holy Spirit,
from what I understand, unless
you do these things.
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And he's done it. And I said to
him not too long ago -- I said,
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"I'm envious of you," I said,
"because where you are, I want
to be." And he just says,
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"Robbie, you'll get there.
You're on the right path." >>
The way I look at it is that
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I think he forgave in order for
himself to be able to go
forward, to move on, and able to
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have a relationship with his
daughter, Victoria. From a young
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age, he has, like, an addictive
personality, where he can get
into some bad stuff, like he did
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in his past. And I was worried
about that. And I was worried
that he -- you know, like, "Is
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this gonna trigger something
where he might get into drugs or
alcohol?" And thank God.
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Like, the one thing that I did
notice -- and that's why I said
I noticed that light -- is that
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he really clung to Scripture
and -- >> From the beginning.
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>> Right from the beginning. >>
Yeah. >> And I don't think God
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was ready to let him go. >> Not
that there weren't temptations.
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>> Absolutely. Oh,
you saw -- >> Oh, yeah.
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>> You saw the evil around you.
You saw the temptations with
certain people that would come
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by that would try to... >>
Lure him back to the other side.
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>> ...lure him back into
that side and disrupt things. >>
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Yeah. >> I did talk to him,
and I go, "Listen." I go, "Just
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remember," I go... >> "The
devil's not done with you yet."
>> ..."The devil's not done
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with you, you know, with us,
yet." And I go, "So you got to
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stay strong in your faith right
now." >> I mean, this is the
lesson of forgiveness.
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It doesn't matter the person
that you are forgiving. It
doesn't matter where they are
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in the world. They don't know
if you are living in joy and
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happiness or living in sorrow
and sin and maybe turning to
drugs and turning to alcohol.
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They don't know the difference.
So by you forgiving them doesn't
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help them. What it does is it
heals you when you can truly
forgive somebody because that
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peace comes to you. That healing
comes to you, and that's --
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that's the mag-- that's the
power of forgiveness. It's
self-healing. And I realized
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that, and like I made that
promise to myself years before
that, "No matter what happens to
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me in my life, I will always
forgive people, no matter how
big or how small." >> So, that
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guy's sitting there in jail, and
he doesn't -- he doesn't know
whether you're -- you're eaten
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up with grief... >> Mm-hmm.
>> ...or anger towards him.
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>> Mm-hmm. >> ...or
you've forgiven him. >> Mm-hmm.
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>> But you know.
>> I do know. >> Yeah.
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>> Because I'm sitting here
today and the Lord's given me
strength and I have that peace
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and that joy in my heart still,
no matter what, because I know
the Lord has my children.
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I know the Lord has Krissy.
So, what do you do? Do you move
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backwards? Do you stay stuck in
life? Or do you have to move
forward in a positive way and
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still be a positive role model
for my beautiful daughter? And
that's sort of the avenue I
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took, and that could only happen
with the Lord. >> So, some
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people think that when you say
you forgive someone, you're just
saying, "Oh, that doesn't
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matter, you know?" Well, it does
matter, you know? It matters
what that person did.
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They hurt you. >> Mm-hmm.
>> But despite the fact that
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they hurt you, that they caused
harm to you personally and to
your daughter and to the many,
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many people who loved your
family, despite that, you're
saying, "I'm gonna let it go.
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I'm gonna let go of that
resentment. I'm gonna let go of
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that anger. And I'm gonna move
forward." >> There's no ball and
chain. And if you think of
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forgiving somebody, no matter
how small, how big, it's like
you lag something around with
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you and it's constantly there
and it's always eating away from
you." And every time that person
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that you can't forgive's name
gets mentioned or a thought
comes into your mind, it's that
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dread. It's that feeling. It's
that just -- The best way I can
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call it is just a weight and
chain in you that you can't...
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>> Yeah. >> ...move away from.
And the second you forgive... >>
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Yeah. >> ...it's just a peace
that comes upon you. >> Yeah.
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>> And it's a healing. And the
one blessing -- like I said, in
the end, he's given me
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Victoria. And I got to stand up
strong and show her through the
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Lord's strength and no matter
what life throws at you, you can
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get through it. >> [ Sighs ] >>
It's -- It's hard with Victoria
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because, you know, I think the
mothering part, you know, is
what you're seeing now from Gina
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because it's -- it's difficult
knowing what she's lost. >> I
promised Krissy -- Before I
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said my final goodbye, I
promised her that I would always
be in Victoria's life.
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And I promised her that I would
take care of her daughter. [
Voice breaking ] And I
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promised Roy that his sister was
gonna be okay, and I promised
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Vana. Vic is a very tough,
young, intelligent, beautiful
soul. But, again, she's a
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teenager. And raising three
teenagers, I know they have a
very hard time expressing.
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And I understand, and I'm
patient. And -- And I'll -- I
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tell her every day, "I got your
back. You might push me aside.
It's okay. I'll be in the back.
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If you fall, I'll catch you." I
always tell her that, just to
know that she's not alone.
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When she's ready, she'll --
she'll talk. >> How did God lead
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you to a church family? >> So,
in my journey, I went through
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many, many online pastors, and
at this point now I'm also
reading the Word on my own.
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And there was one evangelist on
YouTube. His name is Mark Fox.
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His channel's called Amazing
Prophecies. The one thing that
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caught my eye about him is where
he always mentioned every time
he spoke on his videos is that,
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"If it's in the Bible, we'll
teach it." That caught my eye,
and that was really important.
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"I like the church that this guy
goes to," I was thinking in my
head, "because they teach from
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the Bible." And that's what
I was worried about -- aligning
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myself with a church that didn't
teach the full Word, the full
gospels, everything.
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The other thing, where at the
end of his videos he says, "If
you need us to pray for you,
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text me on my private cell and
type the word 'pray.' If you
need to find a church in
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your area, do the same. Text
me the word 'church.'" And I did
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that. He reached out to me
graciously and he spoke to me
and I shared my testimony with
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him. I shared, you know, what I
was going through, and he helped
guide me to a Seventh-Day
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Adventist church in my area. And
I didn't even know what, you
know, a Seventh-Day
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Adventist was at the time.
I really didn't. And the one
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that's in my town here of
Pickering is called Agape
Temple. It brought me there.
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It brought me there, and I
remember walking through the
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door one day. I just checked
online when the service started.
And the Sabbath was very
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important to me, as well. I
thought that, you know,
worshipping on the Sabbath --
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that was God's dates in the
Ten Commandments, and it was
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important to me. And I remember
walking into the church, and,
you know, they accepted me.
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They saw just a stranger
walk into the church, but they
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accepted me. And I remember
after the service -- this is --
this is -- you know, this is how
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God works sometimes -- the first
person that came and started
talking to me was a fellow
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sister named Pam.
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>> On the 14th of March, 2018,
I was called in to go to work,
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Ajax-Pickering, in emerge.
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I wasn't sure if I wanted to go
to work because emerge can be
very chaotic at times.
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So at first I remove. I said
I didn't want to go. And then my
00:19:37.44\00:19:44.11
boss asked me if I could come
because, of course, emerge can
be chaotic. The day was going
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very well. It was a very slow
day, until around 1:00. I said
to my supervisor, "I
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can't believe the day's so
quiet." And she said, "Elaine,
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don't say that 'cause you know
the minute you say 'quiet,' it's
gonna get -- it's gonna be a
00:20:00.70\00:20:06.94
chaos." At 1:15, we heard, "Code
blue to emerge." We didn't know
00:20:06.94\00:20:12.57
exactly what we were dealing
with. So, the patient comes in
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with the EMS team. And they rush
straight in. And shortly after,
the cops came, and we found out
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that it was a young girl who got
stabbed. And she bled so much.
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And Mom and the brother also got
stabbed and passed away. Doctors
came in, and everybody
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was just chaotic. And
she was almost like lifeless.
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Some of the doctors -- they were
not able to deal with this kind
of a trauma, so we called
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Sunnybrook, and the doctor came
on the phone. While some of us
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went to the lab to get blood,
myself, I went to O.R. to get
the instruments because it was
00:20:50.58\00:20:55.65
so -- just an emergency. We
couldn't -- We didn't have time
to take her to O.R.
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The surgery was done right there
in emerge. So, the doctor came,
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and he said, "I can't do this."
I said to him, "Look, yes, you
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can. I'm gonna pray while you
work." The doctor was on the
phone from Sunnybrook, and he
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was telling him to cauterize
some the arteries to stop the
bleeding. So, finally she was
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stabilized. The ambulance came,
and she was sent off to
Sunnybrook. Vas was there, but I
00:21:21.08\00:21:26.95
couldn't remember his face
'cause we were running back and
forth for a very long time.
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When we finished there, I
came to church that -- it was a
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Wednesday. I came to church that
afternoon. And then I testified
of the incident that happened.
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And we really prayed. We prayed
for the family and friends.
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And the next morning, I went to
work, and one of my co-workers
said, "Elaine, I have bad news
00:21:47.04\00:21:55.24
for you. And they said, "The
kid died." I'm like, "What?!
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We worked so hard on her!" I
said, "God, how could you?" And
so that was the situation.
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It always pops in my mind from
time to time. And then sometimes
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later in the summer, it was my
day to do Sabbath school. I came
to church very early that
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Sabbath morning, just around
8:30. And I saw a gentleman
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sitting right over there. And
I said, "Wow, somebody beat me."
00:22:24.71\00:22:29.94
My Sabbath school theme
that morning was Paul's trip to
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Macedonia. I noticed he was
listening very keenly. And when
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Sabbath school finishes, he said
to me, "I was so blessed by your
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Sabbath school." I'm like,
"Truly?" He said, Yes." He said,
"I am from Macedonia."
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I'm like, "What?" He said,
"Yes." So, I said, "Okay, we can
00:22:47.76\00:22:52.93
talk right after church." So,
when church finishes, I went to
him, and I said, "Did you
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enjoy the service?" And he said,
"Yes, I do." He said, "I know
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you." I said, "Yeah? Me?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "From
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where?" He said, "Uh, from
Pickering, Ajax-Pickering." I
said, "Ajax-Pickering is a
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big place. He said,
"No. From the hospital."
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He said, "Do you remember the
14th of March? The mother and
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the two children that got
stabbed. You tried to save my
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daughter's life." I said, "The
Pejcinovski?" He said, "Yes."
And we just fell on each other's
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shoulder and we embraced and we
cried. I said, "How did you come
00:23:35.54\00:23:40.95
here?" And he said, "You know,
I've been going through such a
rough time, and I started to
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read my Bible. And this led
me to the Sabbath. And I went on
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the Internet, and I realized
this is the only church in this
community." I said, "Vas, stay
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right here." Pastor was standing
over there talking to another
gentlemen. I said, "Pastor Levy,
00:23:57.30\00:24:02.00
you need to come now." He said,
"Hold on. Let me --" I said,
00:24:02.00\00:24:05.47
"No, Pastor. Now. I mean now." [
Laughs ] And Pastor came, and I
introduced him to Vas.
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And Pastor called his wife and
we embraced and we talked. And I
left Pastor there talking
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to him. I took his phone number.
And since then, we started
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communicating, and the rest is
history. Pastor and him became
00:24:20.89\00:24:25.53
such good friends, and I've been
keeping in touch until he became
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a part of us. Yes. >> Wow.
>> Like Pam said, I was blown
00:24:33.00\00:24:36.84
away because I had heard the
news. And we were praying for
00:24:36.84\00:24:41.18
the family. And to have the same
individual who suffers such a
00:24:41.18\00:24:46.78
tremendous tragedy just stroll
into our church -- that had to
be divine. He, from the onset,
00:24:46.78\00:24:54.99
told me that, you know, "What do
I need to do?" Like the
Ethiopian eunuch, "What
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do I need to do to be baptized?"
>> Yes, yes. >> That's how he
00:24:58.69\00:25:03.60
led our first conversation.
The conversation shifted to the
00:25:03.60\00:25:09.40
tragedy itself. We actually for
a brief moment spoke about the
perpetrator. And he looked me
00:25:09.40\00:25:17.35
dead in my eyes and said, "You
know what? I've forgiven him."
00:25:17.35\00:25:21.95
>> Mm. >> I was so shocked. You
know, we have seasoned believers
00:25:21.95\00:25:27.89
who still struggle with
forgiveness. >> Mm-hmm. >> And
to have this young man
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who has lost so much just come
to this place where he's willing
to -- to let it go in the sense
00:25:32.59\00:25:41.24
that all the pain and the anger
and the resentment and the hate
associated with the act, to kind
00:25:41.24\00:25:48.81
of release that to God...
>> Mm-hmm. >> ...and to see the
00:25:48.81\00:25:52.65
peace that's come over him --
it's made Vas a living
testimony, a living witness
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of just how powerful Christ is.
>> We always talk about purpose,
00:26:00.89\00:26:06.53
he and I. But I don't think Vas
is 100% clear on how much what's
gone on through such a tragedy
00:26:06.53\00:26:16.27
has affected so many people and
how it's affected even me in
such a positive way manner.
00:26:16.27\00:26:24.98
A year ago this time, I was
lost, and now I know exactly the
direction I'm going in.
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And I credit that all to Vas and
Jesus for talking to him, for
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influencing me. I credit it all
to God for hearing my prayer. >>
I'm just hopeful for their
00:26:37.83\00:26:44.03
future, and, you know, I pray
for them, and I'm glad that he
is strong spiritually right now.
00:26:44.03\00:26:52.71
And we're hopeful, you know?
We're -- We're blessed, I think.
00:26:52.71\00:27:00.42
And we have hope. >> There was a
time where I was -- I'm a very
shy guy. And in the past, it
00:27:00.42\00:27:05.82
seems like when I'm talking
about the Lord, that shyness
sort of turns off and I'm ready
00:27:05.82\00:27:11.93
to shout it at the top of my
lungs. But a lot of... >> Yeah,
00:27:11.93\00:27:15.03
yeah. >> ...amazing things have
happened on my journey so far,
and it's still so early in
00:27:15.03\00:27:19.07
journey that, you know, it's --
>> Yeah, yeah. >> How much more
00:27:19.07\00:27:23.20
I could learn and experience
through our Lord, right? >>
Thank you so much for sharing
00:27:23.20\00:27:26.98
with us. >> Thank you.
>> And we're gonna close off
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now, but I just -- I just thank
you for opening up your home and
opening up your heart and
00:27:29.14\00:27:33.31
sharing your message. And I
trust that you, our viewers,
will also be blessed.
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Let's pray together. Father
in Heaven, we read in Your Word
00:27:38.19\00:27:45.19
that with God all things
are possible. >> Mm. >> And with
00:27:45.19\00:27:50.10
man, this kind of forgiveness is
absolutely impossible. And You
have brought healing to
00:27:50.10\00:27:55.47
Vas and to his family and his
friends, and through him, You
have been a channel of blessing.
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And so I thank you, Lord, for
hearing and for answering our
00:28:01.88\00:28:05.21
prayers. In Jesus'
name, amen. >> Amen. >> Amen.
00:28:05.21\00:28:08.48
>> So, friends, I hope that you
have been tremendously blessed,
as I'm sure you have been, by
00:28:08.48\00:28:14.12
listening to Vas' story. And
remember that Jesus said that,
"It is written: 'Man shall
00:28:14.12\00:28:19.79
not live by bread alone, but by
every word that proceeds out of
the mouth of God.'"
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>> So, this is one, um, that the
boys had to win about a couple
00:28:27.37\00:28:33.04
weeks after Roy's passing.
They said that they were gonna
00:28:33.04\00:28:37.01
go out and win the provincials
for Roy, and they actually did
00:28:37.01\00:28:39.65
in overtime in
the championship game.
00:28:39.65\00:28:41.35
And this was the medal
that would have been Roy's.
00:28:41.35\00:28:44.65
And so this one always
stands out a little bit.
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They were all very, uh,
great memories that we had.
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[ Sniffles ]
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