¤ ¤ 00:01:20.54\00:01:30.55 ¤ >> Dear friend, over the course 00:01:30.55\00:01:39.43 of the last few programs, we have had the opportunity to 00:01:39.43\00:01:42.93 explore the love of God. 00:01:42.93\00:01:44.83 It is often misunderstood. It is often mistaught. But now we're 00:01:44.90\00:01:53.24 unpacking what does the Bible really say about the love of God? Once again I have with me 00:01:53.24\00:01:58.15 guest Dr. John Peckham. Dr. Peckham, welcome again to "It Is 00:01:58.15\00:02:02.42 Written Canada." Happy to have you here. >> Thank you. I'm very happy to be here with 00:02:02.42\00:02:06.02 you. >> Now, as we've been unpacking this, we have learned 00:02:06.02\00:02:11.63 some very key principles. Those key principles -- number one, 00:02:11.63\00:02:17.07 God is a God who freely chooses to love us. Second, God gives us free choice in responding to 00:02:17.07\00:02:28.28 that love. Now, Dr. Peckham, as we continue on in that journey, a lot of people, when they talk 00:02:28.28\00:02:37.15 about God, or their understanding, their concept of God, is that for lack of a 00:02:37.15\00:02:44.69 better word that God is almost this robotic, unemotional being that has to love us, that has no 00:02:44.69\00:02:55.44 choice but to love us. >> Mm-hmm. >> So, let me ask you 00:02:55.44\00:02:58.41 this. I mean, does God have emotions? Where does this love that He freely chooses to love 00:02:58.41\00:03:05.81 us, where does that all come from? 00:03:05.81\00:03:07.28 >> Yeah. There's a lot of people in the 00:03:07.35\00:03:09.32 history of theology and even today who have thought that God 00:03:09.32\00:03:12.02 doesn't really have emotions, at least responsive emotions. 00:03:12.02\00:03:15.66 And then many other people think, "Does God really care 00:03:15.72\00:03:19.29 about us? Does he really have concern for us?" And the Bible 00:03:19.29\00:03:22.90 teaches that He does, and He cares more deeply than we can even imagine. Isaiah 49 is one 00:03:22.90\00:03:29.57 of the best places to go first. Isaiah 49, beginning in verse 00:03:29.57\00:03:35.81 15. Isaiah 49:15. And these are the words of God Himself. 00:03:35.81\00:03:40.05 >> Okay. >> And he says this... "Can a woman forget her 00:03:40.05\00:03:45.19 nursing child and not have compassion on the son of her 00:03:45.19\00:03:50.89 womb? Surely they may forget, Yet I will not forget you." A couple of things here -- first 00:03:50.89\00:04:00.54 of all, I think it's safe to say that the deepest kind of human love that we know of is the love 00:04:00.54\00:04:07.14 of a mother for her young child. >> Mm-hmm. >> And that's what 00:04:07.14\00:04:11.45 God is pointing to here. But He says, "As deeply as a mother loves and has compassion 00:04:11.45\00:04:17.75 on her young child, my compassion is exponentially greater than that." 00:04:17.75\00:04:24.29 >> That is phenomenal. And so, we have Isaiah making this comparison, but it's 00:04:24.29\00:04:28.43 interesting. There are some things going, though, where 00:04:28.43\00:04:32.87 we're talking about forgetting and not forgetting. And so, it 00:04:32.87\00:04:38.64 not only speaks of that mother's love, but it speaks of the reality that God has 00:04:38.64\00:04:47.62 intentionality in His love toward us in this not forgetting. >> That's right. 00:04:47.62\00:04:51.75 There's a play on words even in the Hebrew that you don't see in the English here, where it talks 00:04:51.75\00:04:57.29 about a woman having compassion on the son of her womb. Actually, the word for 00:04:57.29\00:05:00.96 "compassion," which is one of the major words for love in the Old Testament, compassionate 00:05:00.96\00:05:05.20 love, is derived from the word for "womb." So, it actually 00:05:05.20\00:05:10.61 gives the impression of a womb-like mother love. That's the way one commentator 00:05:10.61\00:05:15.18 put it, that that's the kind of love that's being spoken of in almost every case where 00:05:15.18\00:05:18.71 compassion is found in the majority of them, I should say, in the Old Testament. 00:05:18.71\00:05:23.59 >> So, almost giving the idea that this is love that is being explored here is a love that is 00:05:23.59\00:05:33.33 almost kind of ingrained as a part of -- and I'm going to use the word DNA, but it's a part of 00:05:33.33\00:05:40.80 almost the DNA of a mother to have that love for a child. And we don't know the essence of 00:05:40.80\00:05:48.18 God, so to speak, of what He is made out of, so I don't want to call it God's DNA, but for lack 00:05:48.18\00:05:54.28 of a better word, it is almost like this passage of Isaiah saying is a makeup, a part of 00:05:54.28\00:05:59.25 the very DNA of God. >> This is His character, right? >> It is 00:05:59.25\00:06:03.56 His character. >> Even humans, even mothers fail. But God never 00:06:03.56\00:06:06.76 does. His love never fails. The depth of this love is seen just 00:06:06.76\00:06:10.87 as clearly over in Jeremiah. >> Okay. >> Flip over to Jeremiah 00:06:10.87\00:06:14.07 31. You have the imagery that's being used shows you the depth 00:06:14.07\00:06:21.34 of God's love. Jeremiah 31:20. Again, God's speaking. "'Is Ephraim My dear son?'" 00:06:21.34\00:06:29.68 And that's a reference to Israel. >> Yes. 00:06:29.68\00:06:31.65 >> Ephraim is another reference to Israel. "'Is Ephraim my dear 00:06:31.65\00:06:34.92 son? Is he a pleasant child? For though I spoke against him, I earnestly remember him still. 00:06:34.92\00:06:41.90 Therefore My heart yearns for him. I will surely have mercy on 00:06:41.90\00:06:48.97 him,' says the Lord." The language there for "My heart yearns" literally translated 00:06:48.97\00:06:54.88 from the Hebrew is like, "My innards roar." This is very 00:06:54.88\00:07:02.15 strong, visceral language of emotion. >> And so, let's kind of unpack that a little bit, Dr. 00:07:02.15\00:07:07.96 Peckham. That heart yearning -- this is a description of God Himself. So, there's clearly 00:07:07.96\00:07:14.46 emotion. Let's unpack that Hebrew a little bit, that inward feeling that God's having toward 00:07:14.46\00:07:20.80 humanity. >> Yes. It's using the imagery of when 00:07:20.80\00:07:24.24 you might have a very deep emotional feeling. I don't know if you've ever been 00:07:24.24\00:07:28.34 so either concerned or upset over something that it feels like your stomach is turning. 00:07:28.34\00:07:32.65 >> Yes. >> That's the imagery. Now, it's not attributing 00:07:32.65\00:07:35.52 that -- even when it uses of humans it's not referring to the literal stomach turning. 00:07:35.52\00:07:39.69 >> Yes. >> It's referring to the emotion that causes that 00:07:39.69\00:07:42.42 physical response. Here, it's not a reference to anatomy 00:07:42.42\00:07:46.83 particularly. It's a reference to the depth of God's emotion over His people, that the way we 00:07:46.83\00:07:53.07 feel deeply -- that's the imagery that's being used. It's 00:07:53.07\00:07:56.14 in His gut. It is a gut-wrenching love, if you will. 00:07:56.14\00:08:00.38 >> Wow. Well, that is phenomenal. So, the depth of God's love is this gut-wrenching 00:08:00.38\00:08:06.15 yearning toward humanity. Anything in the New Testament that can help us understand that 00:08:06.15\00:08:10.62 love, as well? >> Yes. If we go over to Matthew 9. 00:08:10.62\00:08:13.69 Matthew 9 gives us one example of a great many passages, where Jesus has the same kind of 00:08:13.69\00:08:22.13 compassion for His people. So, I already showed you -- and in that verse we just quoted, 00:08:22.13\00:08:25.37 the word for "compassion" was the same one as the one from Isaiah 49 about that womb of the 00:08:25.37\00:08:29.40 mother. >> Yes. >> So, you have this language 00:08:29.40\00:08:32.04 that's really referring to this gut-wrenching love. >> Mm-hmm. 00:08:32.04\00:08:35.78 >> The New Testament word for compassion, attributed to Jesus, does the same thing. 00:08:35.78\00:08:39.85 It talks about this compassion in your gut. >> Okay. 00:08:39.85\00:08:42.18 >> And over and over again, the same kind of language is used of 00:08:42.18\00:08:45.69 Jesus. Matthew 9:36. >> Yes. >> Matthew 9:36. 00:08:45.69\00:08:49.52 This is about Jesus. "But when He saw the multitudes, He was moved with compassion for 00:08:49.52\00:08:57.00 them, because they were weary and scattered, like sheep having 00:08:57.00\00:09:03.94 no shepherd." And this is one example of just many. And the Greek word gives you the 00:09:03.94\00:09:08.51 same imagery of gut-wrenching compassion when He sees them. He is stirred to His core. 00:09:08.51\00:09:13.85 This is not just a human response. This is His response 00:09:13.85\00:09:19.12 of love, of the love of God for His people. >> You know, that's amazing. And I know you have 00:09:19.12\00:09:25.69 passages like Mark 1:41, Mark 6:34, Mark 10:21 and Luke 7, where you're having this same 00:09:25.69\00:09:32.43 kind of response. >> That's right. >> It's also interesting. 00:09:32.43\00:09:35.80 I was thinking of John 11, when Jesus goes to raise Lazarus from the dead, and it's the shortest 00:09:35.80\00:09:41.08 verse in the Bible. >> Yes. >> "Jesus wept." 00:09:41.08\00:09:44.08 >> That's right. >> And we often ask the question, I've asked the 00:09:44.08\00:09:47.65 question, at least, why would Jesus weep? Jesus knew He was 00:09:47.65\00:09:51.39 going to raise Lazarus from the dead. Jesus knew what was going 00:09:51.39\00:09:54.49 to happen. Why would He weep? Well, clearly, there is only one reason He would have been 00:09:54.49\00:09:58.66 weeping, and that was there were multitudes of people weeping over the loss of Lazarus. 00:09:58.66\00:10:05.03 And so, He's moved with that compassion, that emotion that is a driving force in His love 00:10:05.03\00:10:12.14 toward us. >> That's right. That's right. >> Now, what other 00:10:12.14\00:10:15.78 illustrations, what other Bible passages can we look at that will help us to understand God 00:10:15.78\00:10:20.92 actually having emotions? >> Perhaps one of the most poignant passages in Hosea 11. 00:10:20.92\00:10:25.85 >> Okay. >> Hosea, this book we've been in before already. 00:10:25.85\00:10:28.56 >> We're going to back into the Old Testament, get back into the minor prophets, who have a major 00:10:28.56\00:10:33.53 message. Hosea coming right after the Book of Daniel. 00:10:33.53\00:10:36.43 Hosea 11 and what verses are we looking at? >> Verses 8 and 9. 00:10:36.43\00:10:40.14 >> All right. >> And beginning in verse 8. Again, God's 00:10:40.14\00:10:45.54 speaking. "'How can I give you up, Ephraim? How can I hand you 00:10:45.54\00:10:49.44 over, Israel? How can I make you like Admah? How can I set you 00:10:49.44\00:10:54.42 like Zeboiim?'" Now, Admah and Zeboiim are the two smaller towns by Sodom and Gomorrah. 00:10:54.42\00:10:57.79 >> Yes. >> So, this is language referring to that judgment. 00:10:57.79\00:11:00.19 In other words, "How can I destroy Israel? They deserve to 00:11:00.19\00:11:02.92 be destroyed. How can I do this?" Right? "'My heart churns 00:11:02.92\00:11:08.56 within Me. My sympathy is stirred." Or "'All my compassions are kindled.'" 00:11:08.56\00:11:12.93 Then verse 9. "'I will not execute the fierceness of My 00:11:12.93\00:11:17.41 anger. I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not 00:11:17.41\00:11:20.88 man, The Holy One in your midst. And I will not come with 00:11:20.88\00:11:24.58 terror.'" So, first of all, verse 9 tells us that God has gut-wrenching emotion, but it's 00:11:24.58\00:11:28.82 not just like human emotion because we overreact to the wrong things. >> Sure. 00:11:28.82\00:11:31.92 >> Our emotions are sometimes improperly ordered and directed in the wrong way, whereas God is 00:11:31.92\00:11:36.36 not like a human. His emotions are deeply felt, but their perfect, and they are 00:11:36.36\00:11:40.83 pure. Then you come back to verse 8. Very interestingly, 00:11:40.83\00:11:45.53 this combination of language -- "My heart churns within Me. My sympathy is stirred." 00:11:45.53\00:11:49.70 That language can be translated "All my compassions are 00:11:49.70\00:11:54.08 kindled." And there's two Hebrew words there, one for the compassions and one for kindled, 00:11:54.08\00:11:58.85 which in this translation is "Sympathy is stirred." Those two words appear in only 00:11:58.85\00:12:03.52 two other places in the Old Testament in the entire Bible. 00:12:03.52\00:12:08.09 We're not going to go to them. I'm just going to reference 00:12:08.09\00:12:10.23 them. >> Okay. >> But one of them is in Genesis 43. 00:12:10.23\00:12:13.70 And in Genesis 43, it's when Joseph is meeting with his brothers, and his brothers don't 00:12:13.70\00:12:19.53 yet know who he is. They'd sold him into slavery, and now they've come asking for 00:12:19.53\00:12:24.74 some provisions from the Pharaoh's storehouse of food in the midst of famine. 00:12:24.74\00:12:28.68 And his brothers appear to him, and this time Benjamin comes 00:12:28.68\00:12:32.11 with them. And when he sees them, it says the same thing, the Hebrew language. 00:12:32.11\00:12:36.72 All of his compassions were stirred, so much so that he had to leave the room, because he's 00:12:36.72\00:12:40.89 overtaken with emotion, because they didn't know who he was yet. That's the depth of emotion 00:12:40.89\00:12:45.09 described here. Perhaps even deeper, in 1 Kings 3, you have 00:12:45.09\00:12:50.03 this story of Solomon's wisdom that is very well-known, where two women come to Solomon with 00:12:50.03\00:12:57.27 one child, one baby, and they both claim that the baby is theirs. And you remember 00:12:57.27\00:13:02.91 Solomon, in his wisdom, to find out who the real mother was, he says, "Cut the child in half." 00:13:02.91\00:13:07.52 And the response of the real mother, who says, "No, no, don't, don't cut the child in 00:13:07.52\00:13:12.19 half" -- the response in the language in 1 Kings 3 is the 00:13:12.19\00:13:16.83 same wording. "All her compassions were kindled." That's the kind of emotion and 00:13:16.83\00:13:21.56 compassion that is attributed to God in Hosea 11. >> And so, and 00:13:21.56\00:13:27.37 I think there are some important things you note. First of all, it's very clear God has emotion. 00:13:27.37\00:13:32.21 God has this emotion, this sympathy, this compassion that He's driving toward us. 00:13:32.21\00:13:38.91 But His emotions are perfect and pure. >> Yes. 00:13:38.91\00:13:42.58 >> Sometimes our emotions, as humans, can be lustful or for 00:13:42.58\00:13:48.26 the wrong reasons. >> Yes. >> But God has pure emotion toward 00:13:48.26\00:13:52.16 humanity. >> That's right. >> And this is a powerful thing 00:13:52.16\00:13:57.07 that we're seeing. The sympathy is stirred. And, once again, what is it literally in the 00:13:57.07\00:14:02.14 Hebrew? >> All His compassions are kindled. >> All of His 00:14:02.14\00:14:04.31 compassions... >> Yeah, His innards are churning, and His compassions are kindled. 00:14:04.31\00:14:07.08 >> What a phenomenal picture of God and His love for us. >> Yes. 00:14:07.08\00:14:14.45 >> Now, verse 9 brings up something that may be a little bit disturbing in the context of 00:14:14.45\00:14:25.26 the love of God. >> Yes. >> And that is, it seems to 00:14:25.26\00:14:29.46 reference that not only does God have emotions of compassion, emotions of sympathy, emotions 00:14:29.46\00:14:36.91 of love, but it gives us the idea that He also has other 00:14:36.91\00:14:49.12 emotions. >> Anger. >> Anger. >> Wrath. 00:14:49.12\00:14:51.59 >> Wrath. >> Yes. >> We probably need to spend a 00:14:51.59\00:14:54.59 little bit of time talking about anger and wrath and how that fits into a picture of God's 00:14:54.59\00:15:00.40 love. >> Yeah. Yeah, let's go to Psalm 78 to 00:15:00.40\00:15:04.00 start with on that. This is a question that troubles a lot of people, and there are 00:15:04.00\00:15:08.17 two passages. You can really read the entire chapters. 00:15:08.17\00:15:10.64 We won't do that here. But if you read Psalm 78 and Nehemiah 00:15:10.64\00:15:15.14 9. These are two of the passages that show kind of from God's 00:15:15.14\00:15:20.22 perspective. Often when people see language of God's wrath in the Old Testament, they don't 00:15:20.22\00:15:24.42 realize that there are often long periods of time in between instances of God's judgment. 00:15:24.42\00:15:29.86 >> Yes. >> They're not coming rapid-fire. 00:15:29.86\00:15:32.56 God is bearing along with His people, and then, once there is no remedy, then there is a 00:15:32.56\00:15:37.10 judgment that comes. But God exhausts pretty much every other option before that. 00:15:37.10\00:15:41.40 And in Psalm 78 and in Nehemiah 9, but Psalm 78 for now, you 00:15:41.40\00:15:45.27 have what some Old Testament scholars call the "cycle of rebellion," where God's people 00:15:45.27\00:15:51.88 continually rebel. They call out to God. He forgives them and comes back to them, and then 00:15:51.88\00:15:57.19 they do it again -- worse. And then He comes back, and they do 00:15:57.19\00:15:59.92 it again. >> Interesting. >> Over and over and over and over 00:15:59.92\00:16:03.49 again. And we see this, dropping down to verse 40 of Psalm 78. >> 00:16:03.49\00:16:07.83 Sure. Psalm 78:40. God says, "How often they provoked Him in 00:16:07.83\00:16:13.74 the wilderness, and grieved Him in the desert! Yes, again and again they tempted God and 00:16:13.74\00:16:21.04 limited the Holy One of Israel" or tested the Holy One of Israel. >> So, what we're seeing 00:16:21.04\00:16:28.35 here that I think is very important, and we're going to probe this deeper, is there's 00:16:28.35\00:16:32.59 some very core understandings here. First of all, we talked about the pure emotions of God. 00:16:32.59\00:16:38.39 What we are not seeing -- when we talk about God's wrath, we're not just talking about God 00:16:38.39\00:16:44.43 popping His top here, that He's, you know -- for us humans, we get angry, and some of us get 00:16:44.43\00:16:50.21 angrier quicker at different things. >> That's right. 00:16:50.21\00:16:53.91 >> Sometimes we call that "pushing our buttons." Somebody knows how to push our 00:16:53.91\00:16:57.45 buttons. This is not Israel pushing God's buttons, but 00:16:57.45\00:17:01.25 rather this is a length of time where God's pouring out these emotions of love and compassion. 00:17:01.25\00:17:06.12 >> Yeah. >> And then it comes to a point where God's left really 00:17:06.12\00:17:10.09 with no other choice. >> Yeah, and you just saying that made me 00:17:10.09\00:17:12.83 think of something else. What you just said is beautifully 00:17:12.83\00:17:17.80 illustrated in the language for God's long-suffering in the Old 00:17:17.80\00:17:20.44 Testament. >> Okay. >> In Exodus 34:6 or 34:7, many other passages, it talks about 00:17:20.44\00:17:23.54 God being patient or long-suffering, that He is the God of long-suffering or 00:17:23.54\00:17:27.54 patience with His people. >> Mm-hmm. >> The Hebrew language 00:17:27.54\00:17:31.75 there, literally translated, means "long of nose." >> Yes. 00:17:31.75\00:17:36.18 >> Why? Because it's using on the imagery. 00:17:36.18\00:17:40.36 When someone gets angry, their face might turn red, and their 00:17:40.36\00:17:46.09 nose turns red. And the imagery is that God's nose is so long that it takes a long time for it 00:17:46.09\00:17:51.47 to get red, because he's so long-suffering with His people. It's amazing imagery. 00:17:51.47\00:17:55.07 >> Yes. >> And there's long-suffering. We see the same 00:17:55.07\00:17:58.17 thing in Psalm 78, if we drop down to verse 57 there. >> Okay. 00:17:58.17\00:18:00.88 >> Psalm 78:57. It says -- actually beginning verse 56 of 00:18:00.88\00:18:08.48 Psalm 78. >> Yes. >> "Yet they tested and provoked the Most High God and did not 00:18:08.48\00:18:12.35 keep His testimonies but turned back and acted unfaithfully like 00:18:12.35\00:18:16.99 their fathers. They were turned aside like a deceitful bow for they provoked Him to 00:18:16.99\00:18:19.89 anger with their high places, and moved Him to jealousy with their carved images." 00:18:19.89\00:18:25.33 These high places of idolatry, where they're even practicing things like child sacrifices 00:18:25.33\00:18:29.27 sometimes -- I mean, horrible things that they are doing. >> 00:18:29.27\00:18:32.27 Yes. >> Shouldn't God be angry at that? >> Mm-hmm. 00:18:32.27\00:18:34.68 >> Absolutely. But first, we see in verse 38 of the same chapter. 00:18:34.68\00:18:39.08 It says, "But He, being full of compassion, forgave their iniquity and did not destroy 00:18:39.08\00:18:46.09 them. Yes, many a time He turned His anger away and did not stir 00:18:46.09\00:18:51.13 up all His wrath." Another translation says, "He restrained 00:18:51.13\00:18:57.70 His anger." So, He didn't pour out His anger or His wrath in the way that they deserved. 00:18:57.70\00:19:00.80 >> Yes. >> He's always pulling it back because He is 00:19:00.80\00:19:03.87 long-suffering. But people still wrestle with the question, "Should a God of love really get 00:19:03.87\00:19:07.98 angry at all?" Right? >> Yes, yes. So, are there any other 00:19:07.98\00:19:10.85 passages that can help us understand that? >> There's many 00:19:10.85\00:19:14.32 passages, but before we go to those passages, I want to probe that question so we can kind of 00:19:14.32\00:19:19.45 understand it from our perspective a little bit. We saw the passages about the 00:19:19.45\00:19:24.46 high places. All throughout the Old Testament you see this 00:19:24.46\00:19:28.46 language of what Israel was doing and the kind of horrible things they fell into, including 00:19:28.46\00:19:32.90 child sacrifice. >> Yes. >> Now, let me ask you. Should a God of 00:19:32.90\00:19:37.77 love and justice be angry at the kinds of things that humans do to one another? >> I would think 00:19:37.77\00:19:42.84 so. >> Would He really be love if He didn't become angry? >> 00:19:42.84\00:19:46.01 Right. He should be angry at injustice, absolutely. >> So, I use this story in my 00:19:46.01\00:19:49.35 class with my students. Imagine -- if you have children already, imagine your child's at 00:19:49.35\00:19:53.02 the playground. Or if you don't, if you have a younger brother or 00:19:53.02\00:19:56.49 sister. Imagine your young child's playing on a playground. They're swinging merrily. 00:19:56.49\00:19:59.53 And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, some adult comes -- you've never seen him before -- 00:19:59.53\00:20:03.90 and they knock your child off the swing. They begin kicking 00:20:03.90\00:20:07.07 and punching them. Are you angry? >> Yes, absolutely. 00:20:07.07\00:20:10.31 >> If you love them, your response is anger. Now, how you respond after that, 00:20:10.31\00:20:15.04 right? But the initial response is what we call righteous 00:20:15.04\00:20:19.48 indignation. >> Yes. >> Now, how many people in the world are 00:20:19.48\00:20:23.62 God's children? At least in the broad sense, right? >> In the broad sense, everyone. 00:20:23.62\00:20:26.76 >> Everyone is a child of God. >> Yes. >> So, it makes Him 00:20:26.76\00:20:31.03 upset whenever there is evil because evil always hurts someone, even if it only hurts 00:20:31.03\00:20:36.40 the one who's practicing it. It's always hurting at least one 00:20:36.40\00:20:39.27 child of God. So, His anger is actually the appropriate response of love. And yet, when 00:20:39.27\00:20:45.01 He does come in judgment, that's not the response that He wants because He doesn't want to have 00:20:45.01\00:20:50.08 to respond to evil at all. Lamentations 3. Lamentations 3 00:20:50.08\00:20:56.85 is just beautiful on this point. Lamentations 3. >> It's right 00:20:56.85\00:21:01.62 after the book of Jeremiah, right before the book of Ezekiel. Lamentations 3. 00:21:01.62\00:21:07.83 >> Yeah. And from this same chapter is where we actually 00:21:07.83\00:21:12.67 great hymn, "Great is Thy Faithfulness." >> Yes. >> Those aren't the verses we're 00:21:12.67\00:21:15.14 reading. They're about ten verses before, I think. 00:21:15.14\00:21:16.74 >> Okay. >> But before that, that's the context, "Great is 00:21:16.74\00:21:18.54 Thy Faithfulness." But then verse 33 of Lamentations 3. 00:21:18.54\00:21:22.28 It says -- actually, I want to start with verse 32. >> Yes. 00:21:22.28\00:21:26.92 >> "Though He causes grief, yet He will show compassion according to the multitude of 00:21:26.92\00:21:33.32 His mercies. For He does not afflict willingly, nor grieve 00:21:33.32\00:21:39.19 the children of men." Literally, "He does not afflict willingly" 00:21:39.19\00:21:42.83 can be literally translated "from His heart." He doesn't want to bring any judgment or 00:21:42.83\00:21:46.67 affliction. This is the appropriate response of love when all other avenues are 00:21:46.67\00:21:50.67 exhausted. But then He will have compassion on even those upon whom He brings judgment. 00:21:50.67\00:21:55.14 >> So, what we're seeing now is, we have a God who freely 00:21:55.14\00:22:00.25 chooses. We have a God who invites us to respond. And then that love is defined by 00:22:00.25\00:22:09.56 first, an emotional love. That emotional love is a love that God is yearning for man. 00:22:09.56\00:22:18.07 Yet that emotional love also has the opposite, and that is, that emotional love can also bring 00:22:18.07\00:22:25.94 about anger and wrath at injustice, which seemingly would be the correct response to the 00:22:25.94\00:22:32.85 injustice in the world. >> That's right. God's wrath is the 00:22:32.85\00:22:37.29 appropriate response of love to evil. Real love gets angry at evil because evil hurts people 00:22:37.29\00:22:43.99 who God loves. So, that's what is happening here. 00:22:43.99\00:22:46.66 But when God comes in judgment, it's a last resort. We see that 00:22:46.66\00:22:50.33 in 2 Chronicles. >> Okay. >> 2 Chronicles 36. And this is 00:22:50.33\00:22:54.17 leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem, the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon. 00:22:54.17\00:22:59.61 2 Chronicles 36. And I think we're going to verse 16 in 2 00:22:59.61\00:23:10.49 Chronicles 36. Yes, verse 16. We'll start in verse 15. "And the Lord God of their 00:23:10.49\00:23:16.39 fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had 00:23:16.39\00:23:22.20 compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers 00:23:22.20\00:23:27.00 of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose 00:23:27.00\00:23:32.64 against His people, until there was no remedy." It doesn't arise 00:23:32.64\00:23:41.52 until there's no remedy left. There's nothing else that he can do -- very similar language in 00:23:41.52\00:23:45.82 Isaiah 5. There's this song, a parable of God's vineyard, where 00:23:45.82\00:23:49.46 He says, "What more could I have done for my vineyard," which is a symbol of Israel, of Judah, 00:23:49.46\00:23:53.66 "What more could I have done for my vineyard that I have not done 00:23:53.66\00:23:58.20 in it?" He's done everything that He could, and when the wrath comes, it's the 00:23:58.20\00:24:02.47 appropriate response of love against evil because a loving God will not let evil continue 00:24:02.47\00:24:08.41 forever and ever and ever. >> And this reminds me of, and the passage is not coming to my 00:24:08.41\00:24:13.11 mind, but in the Book of Genesis, where there was a certain nation where God says, 00:24:13.11\00:24:18.39 "No, don't do anything with them yet because their cup is not yet 00:24:18.39\00:24:22.89 full." >> That's right, yes. >> And so -- >> Genesis 16:18, I 00:24:22.89\00:24:26.39 think. >> Okay, Genesis 16. I figured speaking with the doctor, an expert on God's love, 00:24:26.39\00:24:34.54 that you would know that passage. Genesis 16 demonstrates 00:24:34.54\00:24:39.11 this idea that God is this long-suffering -- as we were talking about -- the long-nosed. 00:24:39.11\00:24:42.48 >> That's right. >> He has this long-suffering compassion where 00:24:42.48\00:24:47.58 He's doing everything He can do to draw a positive response to His love. >> That's right. 00:24:47.58\00:24:55.82 >> And it's only at the continued decision of us to not respond and not just not respond 00:24:55.82\00:25:05.83 but respond in a very negative way that then God's wrath is, for lack of a better word, I'll 00:25:05.83\00:25:10.84 use the same word, but just as his compassion can be kindled, His wrath can be kindled, as 00:25:10.84\00:25:16.61 well. >> Yes, but His compassion outruns His anger. 00:25:16.61\00:25:20.05 It's always -- His compassion goes beyond any reasonable expectations, and God's anger is 00:25:20.05\00:25:26.32 never arbitrary. It's always a response to evil. But God restrains it in His 00:25:26.32\00:25:30.83 compassion. >> And I think in Isaiah 7, it even refers to 00:25:30.83\00:25:34.93 that, His wrath as His strange act because it's so outside of His character. >> Yes. 00:25:34.93\00:25:40.17 >> So, this is a powerful, powerful, what we've come to 00:25:40.17\00:25:45.11 here, Dr. Peckham. In our last minute here, maybe summarize and give us our kind of closing 00:25:45.11\00:25:50.65 points on understanding the emotions of God in the context of His anger, His wrath, and all 00:25:50.65\00:25:57.55 of that. >> Yes. So, Luke 15 the parable of the prodigal son. 00:25:57.55\00:26:02.39 >> Yes. >> Luke 15:20. You see there -- remember, we 00:26:02.39\00:26:06.26 talked about Jesus having that same kind of compassion as God? 00:26:06.26\00:26:10.73 >> Yes. >> The same language of this gut-wrenching compassion. In fact, I preach a sermon 00:26:10.73\00:26:14.90 called "The long-nosed, gut-wrenching love of God." >> 00:26:14.90\00:26:20.38 Yes, yes. >> We see it here in this parable, because Luke 15:20, in the parable of the 00:26:20.38\00:26:24.95 prodigal son, the son has run away from home, taken his inheritance early. Basically, he 00:26:24.95\00:26:28.58 disowned his father and said, "I don't want your name. I just 00:26:28.58\00:26:31.49 want your money." Got out and squandered it. And he decides to come home, because he says, 00:26:31.49\00:26:35.79 "Even the servants in my father's home are treated better" than when he was eating 00:26:35.79\00:26:38.69 from a pig's trough, right? And on the way home, before he even gets there, we go to 00:26:38.69\00:26:43.87 Luke 15:20. "He arose" -- this is the prodigal son. 00:26:43.87\00:26:48.64 "He arose and came to his father. But when he was still a 00:26:48.64\00:26:50.91 great way off, his father saw him and had compassion" -- same language -- "and ran and fell on 00:26:50.91\00:26:57.48 his neck and kissed him." Which was not a dignified thing for the master of the house to 00:26:57.48\00:27:01.98 do -- to run out and meet anyone. He runs out and meets 00:27:01.98\00:27:05.49 his son in compassion. This is the God of compassion and love, 00:27:05.49\00:27:09.82 who loves us more deeply than we can imagine. >> And that is the love that He has for each of us. 00:27:09.82\00:27:14.03 >> Yes. >> No matter how far we've drifted. 00:27:14.03\00:27:16.33 >> That's right. >> No matter how close we've stayed. 00:27:16.33\00:27:18.33 >> That's right. >> This is the God of compassion, emotion, who 00:27:18.33\00:27:22.80 loves us freely and just asks us to respond in a positive sense. 00:27:22.80\00:27:27.24 >> That's right. And even our sin, even though it grieves Him, as it should, and makes Him 00:27:27.24\00:27:32.48 angry, we can always come home. His compassion is greater, and He has made a way for us to come 00:27:32.48\00:27:37.99 to Him in love. >> What a fabulous way to end our program 00:27:37.99\00:27:43.26 today. Let's pray together about this compassionate love that God has. Heavenly father, the call 00:27:43.26\00:27:51.63 today is to come home. You love us with an everlasting love. 00:27:51.63\00:27:56.44 You love us with a long-suffering love. And we want 00:27:56.44\00:28:00.88 to respond in an affirmative today and come home and receive the love you have. We pray this 00:28:00.88\00:28:09.18 in Jesus' name. Amen." >> Amen. >> Dear friend, the call of 00:28:09.18\00:28:15.42 Jesus is to come home, to receive this love that God has. Today, I want to offer you the 00:28:15.42\00:28:23.83 book "The Passion of Love." 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Dr. Peckham, thank you 00:29:11.91\00:29:16.12 so much for being here. >> Thank you, Chris. >> And, friend, for 00:29:16.12\00:29:22.99 you today that compassion, that love, that kindling toward you 00:29:22.99\00:29:29.70 must be received. Today, I want to encourage you. Reach out to the nail-scarred hand of Jesus, 00:29:29.70\00:29:37.94 receive the love that He has for you, and let Him enter your life. You'll never be the same. 00:29:37.94\00:29:45.25 I pray that today's show was a blessing to you. I invite you to 00:29:45.25\00:29:48.65 join us again next week. Until then, remember, it is written: 00:29:48.65\00:29:54.49 "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." 00:29:54.49\00:30:02.16 ¤ ¤ 00:30:02.23\00:30:17.31 ¤ 00:30:17.31\00:30:19.38