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CHRIS: My dear friends, for the
past six weeks, we have studied
the essential nature of building
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a solid spiritual foundation;
that solid foundation is found
in the sanctuary which is in
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heaven. For those six weeks,
Pastor Karl Tsatalbasidis has
been along to help understand
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the sanctuary. You're an expert
in the sanctuary. You've been
studying in your Ph.D. on these
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things. And so we're going to
get right into this. We left off
in our last show talking about
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the presence of God. Now, to our
viewers, to our listeners, if
you missed any of this series on
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solid foundations, I
would encourage you to go to our
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YouTube channel,
www.youtube.com/iiwcanada. There
you'll find archives of the
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program, and you can understand
the context of the things we're
talking about today. So where we
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left off, presence of God, His
divine presence is revealed in
His Word. But throughout
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history, it would seem to me, as
we look at that history, that
there have been great debates in
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the church about the divine
presence of God. Let's talk
about that. What are some of
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those debates and how can we
avoid some of the pitfalls we've
seen in that history? PASTOR
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KARL: We're reminded, in Exodus
chapter 3, that when Moses saw
the burning bush, he didn't
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automatically begin to worship
it, that he only recognized the
presence of God when God spoke
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to him from the midst of the
bush. Just like in the ten
commandments, God spoke out of
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the midst of the fire, and He
says, in Deuteronomy 4:12-15,
"You didn't see any form, so
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don't construct anything
material in order to equate that
with My presence." So His
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presence comes through the Word.
Interestingly enough, after the
death of the disciples, you know
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that Jesus had instituted the
Lord's Supper. And then He began
to initiate that, the Lord's
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Supper, with His disciples, and
He said that He would not
partake of this until the
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kingdom would be restored again.
And in Paul'swritings in First
Corinthians 11, it says, you
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know, "As often as you do this,
you do proclaim the Lord's death
'til He comes." When the
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disciples had passed off the
scene of action, in a very short
time, the presence of God began
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to be kind of equated with the
emblems themselves, so in other
words, with the bread and with
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the wine. There were actually
two views as history was
progressing: one, that they were
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becoming more and more
associated with the bread and
the wine, so that there was a
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real presence in the bread and
the wine; and others thought
that perhaps it was just a
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memorial. Augustine, 5th century
theologian, was kind of
ambivalent about this, or I
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should say, you'd look at some
of his writings, and some of his
writings seemed to say memorial,
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but others are very strongly
indicating that there's a real
presence kind of in the bread
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Then you get to the 9th and
10thcenturies, this had been
debated for so long, they begin
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to settle the issue. And it was
actually ThomasAquinas, the
famousCatholic theologian, that
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really settled the issue by
stating that the presence of God
was actually inside the wafer.
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And it was based on the ideas of
Aristotle. Aristotle taught that
there was form and that there
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was matter in everything. That
form was interpreted on the
basis of Greek thinking.
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Youcouldn't tell what's inside
the form. Some Christians would
say that the form is your
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eternal soul, just to kind of
switch the metaphors or
analogies. So the form is your
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soul, and then your body is
matter. So when you think of the
emblems, the form of the bread
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is the part of the bread that
you can't see. It's the
substance of the bread that is
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interpreted on the basis of
Greek philosophy, which we
studied a little bit earlier in
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our presentations. And so,
Aquinas asserted that when the
priest pronounces the words,
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"This is my body," that the
substance of the bread and the
substance of the wine is
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allegedly transformed into the
substance of the Divine Son of
God, Divine human Son of God,
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which is understood in
Aristotelian terms. And so yes,
the substance of God, the
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essence of God, the being of
God, was associated with the
emblems there, and that carried
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on for a long time, and it led
to certain problems whereby,
okay, if the presence of God is
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actually in the materials, well,
we don't want to hand out the
wine to the parishioners,
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because if we spill some of it,
we would be spilling part of the
presence of God. And so for many
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years, the wine was withheld
from the people. And then
whenLuther came along, he went
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and had restored some of those
things. And so just to
summarize, it morphed into a
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real presence being associated
with the emblems themselves in
the CatholicChurch, in the
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medievalchurch. And these
concepts even had penetrated
into the Reformation, when we
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get into Luther and Zwingli.
CHRIS: And so what you're saying
- just so we're very clear -
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iswe see that Jesus institutes
the Lord's Supper where the
bread and the wine are actually
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symbolic, a memorial for our
personal reflection. PASTOR
KARL: Correct. CHRIS: And
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really, if we get to the heart
of it, as we partake of those
emblems, they drive us to the
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Word, that we might experience
the presence of God through the
Word. PASTOR KARL: Correct.
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CHRIS: But others developed the
idea that the actual bread and
the wine, for lack of a better
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word, become the very presence
of God. PASTOR KARL: Yeah.
CHRIS: And so, what we need to
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then look at, is that really
what happens? Does it become the
presence of God? Or have we
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already established where God's
presence is? PASTOR KARL: Mmhmm.
CHRIS: So where is God's
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presence? Is God's presence in
the bread and wine? Or is it
somewhere else? PASTOR KARL:
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Let's pick this up with Luther
versus Zwingli. One of the
saddest aspects of the
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Reformation was the Marburg
Colloquy of 1529 in which Luther
debated with Zwingli about the
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nature of the presence. For
Luther, he believed that there
was actually a real presence in
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the emblems. Some people called
it consubstantiation, whether
that was a term that Luther had
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invented or associated with, you
know, I don't know at this
point. But for sure he did
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believe in a real presence.
Whether it was in the bread or
around the bread or somewhere
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associated with the bread, he
believed that based on the words
of Jesus, "This is my body."
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Zwingli would counter and say,
"Well, in John chapter 6, you
know, 'the words that I speak,'
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verse 63, 'they are spirit and
they are life.' Besides, Luther,
the presence can't be in the
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bread, because Jesus is in
heaven. So how can the presence
be in the bread if Christ is in
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heaven?" Therefore Zwingli opted
for a memorial. Now, Zwingli
didn't really develop this whole
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idea or a theology of the
presence of God based on the
sanctuary, and this is what I'm
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studying right now, with the
doctoral dissertation, is I'm
looking at the interpretation of
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the presence of God in greater
worship. And so, even though
Luther rejected the philosophy
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of the church, he was still
associating the presence of God
with the emblems themselves in
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some way. So Zwingli was
correct; he just has not
developed his theology of the
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presence of God from the
sanctuary, from that picture.
Now, if we go to the sanctuary,
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in Revelation chapter 4 and 5,
there's One seated on the throne
there in Revelation chapter 4.
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And they actually end up
worshipping Him. They cast their
crowns at a specific location.
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So they're not casting their
crowns in every direction, as if
God was ubiquitous in such a
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way. No. There is One seated on
the throne; He is there in a
specific location. The Lamb
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later comes in, in Revelation
chapter 5, and there is a
magnificent worship service
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there in praise and honour to
the One seated on the throne,
and to the Lamb. So the presence
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of God is there in that
sanctuary. Now, is there a real
presence here as well? Yeah,
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it's called the Holy Spirit. And
if you remember, in Revelation
5:6, as John sees the Lamb
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there, in verse 6, When the Holy
Spirit comes into the earth, how
does He manifest Himself? We
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covered this previously in
another session, but in the
letters to the churches, it was
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Jesus that originated the
message, and then at the end of
themessage, we need to take heed
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and listen to what the Spirit is
saying to the churches. And the
book of Hebrews is the same
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thing; in Hebrews 3:7-9, it
quotes Psalm 97 and it says: The
Holy Spirit says, "Today, if you
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hear his voice, harden not your
hearts." PASTOR KARL: So the
Holy Spirit, His presence is
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here. It's an invisiblepresence.
We cannot detect Him. Where two
are more are gathered together,
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Jesus says, "I am here in the
midst." So He is among us. So
God talks to us in a personal
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way. And this is what the
sanctuary brings out. When He
created Adam and Eve, He spoke
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with them face to face. When
Jesus was here with His
disciples, how did He speak with
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them? He spoke face to face in
the same way. And when He comes
again, and we get to behold Him
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face to face, will He not be
speaking with us face to face?
And so the reason I mention this
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is because there are all kinds
of methods of spirituality today
which say that we can kind of
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recite things over and over and
over and over and over again as
methods of prayer or methods of
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spirituality, and those all
assume that the presence of God
is within you. And by basically
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going through those rituals and
those routines, you are making
room for basically the enemy to
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speak to you there, because God
doesn't speak to you in that
manner. He speaks very clearly
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in His Word in a very personable
way. The whole idea of Christ
being in us - Paul talks about
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Christ in you, the hope of glory
- the issue of the presence of
God is central to that, because
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if the presence of God is
equated with nature, then you
read these passages and you say,
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"Hey, Christ in you. Well, what
does that mean? Does that mean
that I'm a chip off the old
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block, and that I have parts of
the divine nature that only
belong to God alone?" No. Along
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with the sanctuary, there's
another very important theme
that helps us in this area of
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spirituality that is associated
with the presence of God, and
that is the covenant. And it is
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the covenant that helps to
answer the question as to how
God relates to us. For instance,
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if we go back to Hebrews chapter
8, you find the new covenant
there. And it answers the
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question as to what it really
means for me to know God, to
have a relationship with Him,
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and to have Him in
me. In verse 10, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: How is it that we
can know Him? It is when we
allow God to place His Words in
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our minds and in our hearts,
when we become transformed, and
then we become like Him. It is
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in that way that He then
becomes. comes to live inside of
us. So the issue of the presence
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of God is really broad and deep
and has a very large effect on
corporate worship, on
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spirituality, and a whole ton of
other issues. CHRIS: So God's
presence clearly in sanctuary
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revealed in His Word, which is
interesting, 'cause Hebrews
chapter 4 talks about the Word
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of God being living and active
and powerful. It is revealed to
us in His Word. How does the
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sanctuary reveal the character
of God? And you alluded to
something, because we've talked
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about the Father, we've talked
about the Son, we've talked
about the Holy Spirit. How does
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the sanctuary reveal that
character of God, this three in
one and one in three? PASTOR
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KARL: I want to focus on Jesus
just for a moment, because I
don't want to let this point go.
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I remember reading the Bible for
the first time, and in John
1:29, John the Baptist looks at
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Jesus and he says, "Behold, the
Lamb of God which taketh away
the sin of the world." And I
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hadn't had any Bible training
before, and I'm wondering, "Why
is he calling Him a Lamb?" And
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of course, within the backdrop
of the sanctuary, it makes
sense, because those lambs were
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offered, you know; the burnt
offering was going on every day,
morning and evening. They
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typified the fact that someone
would come. And so, the imagery
of the lamb represents the
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humanity of Christ. And of
course, He had to become human
before He could ultimately die
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on the cross. We were in
Revelation 5:6, so He was born
into this world; he is the Lamb
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of God. And after His ascension,
He became our High Priest. And
in Revelation 5:6, John sees a
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Lamb as it had been slain. And
He's our Great High Priest there
in the heavenly sanctuary. So in
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this dispensation of time - and
the imagery of the Lamb is
replete in the book of
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Revelation, I think, 27 or 28
times that it's mentioned - and
so here you have Jesus in this
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period of earth's history, where
He is our Mediator, which means
that He's still human at this
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point. Now, the thing that
really struck me was, in
Revelation 22:3, and maybe we'll
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read the first three verses,
because Revelation 22 is after
the sin problem has all been
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dealt with. It's all said and
done. CHRIS: The earth is made
new again, we're dwelling with
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God. PASTOR KARL: Correct. Yeah,
actually, let me just read verse
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3. It says: PASTOR KARL: So
after the sin problem has all
been taken care of, it still
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mentions Him as a Lamb. But in
the Old Testament passages, the
lambs were sacrificed, pointing
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forward to the death of Christ
on the cross, and also His High
Priestly ministry, but now it
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still refers to Him as a Lamb.
And what that tells me is that
when Jesus chose to become
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incarnated, that this was not
something that was just going to
happen for time, but that this
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was something that was going to
happen for eternity, if you can
wrap your brain around that. So
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this is the Great I Am. He is
the Great I Am Who has existed
from the days of eternity, as
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Micah 5:2 tells us, in
fellowship with the Father and
with the Holy Spirit. I mean, we
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can't even comprehend what that
means, in fellowship with
eternity, way before the earth
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was ever created. The complexity
of that relationship. And then
the introduction of the
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universe, you know, by the Word
of God, the heavens were made.
And then He creates you and I,
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and then all of a sudden, we
fall into sin. And this God
decides to become incarnated not
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just for time, but for eternity.
That's an amazing thought. You
know, there are some people that
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are wondering, "Do I have any
value?" Or,"Do I have any
worth?" Perhaps, you know, some
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people have been told, you know,
"You're no good, you're
worthless." Tell me, what kind
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of being would do that? What
kind of being would do that?
CHRIS: And just so we don't -
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and let's dwell on that for just
a few moments longer; let's
linger here. To the person who
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has been told that, "You're
worthless, you have no value,"
maybe someone has been told
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they're an accident. Christ says
you're no accident, and Christ
says you're so worthy, that
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Christ incarnated Himself,
became the Lamb for not just a
moment of time and then stepped
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back into His role, but actually
will be the Lamb for eternity in
the future, and in fact, was for
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eternity in the past, because
the book of Revelation says he
was the Lamb of God, slain from
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the foundation of the world. And
so the sanctuary teaches us this
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interaction. It is difficult to
understand, but a powerful
interaction where you have the
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Father on the throne. You have
the Son, the Lamb, on the
throne. You have the Spirit Who
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is interacting personally with
humanity through the delivery of
God's Word through convicting
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hearts and leading them along.
And it all leads us to the
church. How does the sanctuary
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teach us about the church? That
word "church" in the Greek is
the word ekklésia, "the
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called-out ones." God's calling
us out of this confusion. And in
fact, the book of Revelation
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talks about it being Babylon,
the wine of Babylon, religious
confusion. God is calling people
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out into His church. How does
the sanctuary help explain the
nature of the church, salvation,
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sin, spirituality? How does that
all come together in the
sanctuary? PASTOR KARL: Chris,
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there wasa text that we had
talked about in the Old
Testament in Isaiah 14:13, where
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the enemy said that:
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I will exalt my throne above the
stars of God. I will sit also in
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the mouth of the congregation
in the sides of the north.
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PASTOR KARL: Now, in that mount
of the congregation - this is
Isaiah 1:13 - we discovered that
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that's talking about the
sanctuary, through the
Hebrewwordshar moad [ph] which
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are associated with the
sanctuary in various places. And
so, in the sanctuary, you have a
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connection between heaven and
earth. So what I'm going to do
is, as I think the scriptures do
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to me, is expand our vison of
what the church is to include
the church in heaven. So the
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church, you mentioned ekklésia
being called out. Well, you
know, there was war in heaven,
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and so this is where this whole
thing began up there, and they
had to make a stand, they had to
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be called out, who's on the
Lord's side, and they went ahead
and took their stand. And so
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here, the enemy is trying to
sell his version of the great
controversy in the mouth of the
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congregation. Look at Hebrews 12
for a moment, because you have
further integration between
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the church in heaven and the
church on earth, in Hebrews 12,
In verse 22, it says:
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They're part of the church,
actually. They're part of the
church. That's where you're
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coming. You're coming to the
general assembly of the church
of the firstborn, in other
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words, the firstborn ones, whose
names are not written on the
church books necessarily here on
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earth, but the ones that are
written in heaven. So the
sanctuary is combining earth and
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heaven, which means I think we
ought to expand our concept of
what the church is to include
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the church in heaven as well.
Let me share some other
principles here. In the book of
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Ephesians, chapter 3. Galatians,
Ephesians. chapter 3, verse 14
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and 15. PASTOR KARL: So the
church is not just one family
here on earth; it says that
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there is a family in heaven. And
so we're part of the family in
heaven as well, the angelic host
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in heaven. Something interesting
in the book of Revelation - and
I've read this text so often, I
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couldn't believe that it got by
me - do you remember when John
was about to worship the angel
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and sit at his feet? It's
mentioned once in Revelation 19,
but then also Revelation 22.
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Let's go to that one,
Revelation 22. It says.
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PASTOR KARL: He says, "Look,
John, you and I are brethren."
An amazing thought. So the
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church is not just the church on
earth, but the church in heaven
as well. And this has an impact
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on our definition of sin, you
know. The Bible talks about,
that sin is the transgression of
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the law. That's the only
definition of sin that will
work, you know, because angels
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didn't sin because God had
predestined sin; angels didn't
sin because there was some
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defect in the programing; they
sinned because they deliberately
chose to go in the opposite
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direction. CHRIS: Lucifer, those
that followed Lucifer, what
you're talking about, they made
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an active choice, which is, by
the way, a side note, gives us
great hope, because God has
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created us with the same free
will that the angels had. PASTOR
KARL: Correct. CHRIS: And so
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you have the universal church,
which includes heaven, which
includes the angels of heaven,
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helps us understand that the
universal nature of sin is that
it is the transgression of God's
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law, which ultimately leads us
away from a sanctuary
foundation, a sanctuary
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framework. PASTOR KARL: Correct,
right. This means that I can't
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blame Adam. Even Adam, I mean,
well, he sinned because he
deliberately chose to go in the
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wrong direction. Now, you and I
have inherited tendencies that
lead us in the wrong direction.
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However, the grace of God is
sufficient for us, and I'm glad
for the fact that God doesn't
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condemn us simply for being
born, that He sends information.
And Jesus says, "This is the
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condemnation, that light has
come into the world, but men
love darkness rather than
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light." And so He holds us
accountable when we are
sufficiently illuminated and we
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choose, in the face of that
evidence, to go in the wrong
direction. CHRIS: Which is why,
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of course, Proverbs 4 says, "The
path of the just is as the
shining light that shines
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brighter and brighter unto a
perfect day." God expects us to
live up to His presence, which
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has been revealed in His Word,
which illuminates us to help get
us on that path of coming into a
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personal relationship with Him.
PASTOR KARL: Yes, absolutely.
CHRIS: Now, Karl, we could spend
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a lot of time talking about
that. We have just a few minutes
left, and I want to head towards
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something that's very important.
When we talk about someone's
personal worship, whether that
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be in a corporate setting, in a
church, or whether that be in a
devotional time sitting in their
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living room, how does the
sanctuary inform that worship?
PASTOR KARL: The sanctuary
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informs that worship by telling
us that the main vehicle of
God's presence is His Word.
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Historically, as we covered
earlier, the presence of God was
associated with the wafer. You
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know, today, with the
charismatic movement, it's
associated with music. And so
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they even call it "musical
transubstantiation." So when
people hear the music, they
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automatically equate the
experience of that with the
presence of God. So the
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sanctuary actually helps us by
helping us to realize that it's
really God's Words that are
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central. You know, in that
scene, in Revelation 4 and 5,
John was so anxious, and he was
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so troubled, he was weeping,
because he wanted to know what
was in that book. Yes, there was
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music up there, yes, it was a
great scene, yes, there were a
lot of things going on, but he
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wanted to know what was in that
book. CHRIS: And that brings us
right down to our conclusion
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that cannot be missed: the
presence of God is in the
sanctuary. That presence is
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revealed in His Word. Our
personal worship in our home and
in our devotional life should be
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founded on the Word. When we go
to our church to gather with
God's people, that church should
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be founded on the Word. We
cannot drum up the presence of
God. We can't call down the
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presence of God. God has
revealed Himself in His Word,
and has given this Word as our
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gift to us. PASTOR KARL: And
preaching should have the
central place, because that's
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how God reveals Himself. CHRIS:
The proclamation of the Word.
PASTOR KARL: Amen. CHRIS:
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Building our spiritual house on
a solid foundation. Let's pray.
Heavenly Father, You've given us
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the solid foundation, the solid
foundation of Your Word where
Your presence is revealed from
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the sanctuary. May we found
everything on it. We pray this
in Jesus' name, amen. PASTOR
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KARL: Amen. CHRIS: My dear
friend, a journey with Jesus is
founded on His Word. The
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sanctuary is where God's
presence is, and His presence is
revealed through the Word.
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Today, I want to offer you the
DVD set of this series, that it
might help you to dive deep in
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God's Word, to draw close to
Jesus, and be ready for Him when
He comes again. Here's the
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information you need
to receive today's offer.
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CHRIS: My dear friend, you are
of infinite worth in the eyes of
God. Jesus, whose presence is in
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the sanctuary for eternity as
the Lamb Who was slain from the
foundation of the world, slain
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for your sin and for mine.
Pastor Karl, thank you very much
for being with us and for
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helping us see God's presence in
the sanctuary. PASTOR KARL: It's
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been great, Chris. CHRIS:
Friend, I hope you've entered
into that relationship with
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Jesus. I ask that you join us
again next week. Until then,
remember, it is written, "Man
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shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God."
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