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CHRIS: Foundations are such an
essential part of the building
component. In places like San
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Francisco, for example, where
there are frequent earthquakes,
they have developed foundation
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systems that are able to
withstand the pressures of an
earthquake so buildings still
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stay upright, because they've
been founded on a strong
foundation that will not wither
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under pressure. In the Christian
life, in the spiritual life, how
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can we be built in such a way
that we won't wither under the
pressure and the attacks of the
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devil? You know, the Bible says
we're living in the end of time.
The Bible also says that the
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devil is roaming about as a
roaring lion, seeking whom he
may devour. So it should be with
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utmost importance that we
establish a solid foundation so
we can withstand the attacks of
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the enemy. As we've been talking
about foundations, I've had with
me guest Pastor Karl
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Tsatalbasidis. Pastor Karl, I
want to welcome you back to It
Is Written Canada. So happy that
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you're here with us. PASTOR
KARL: Thank you, Chris. CHRIS:
Now, for those of you who are
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watching for the first time with
Pastor Karl, Pastor Karl's been
a pastor 18 years; the last 5
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years, he's taught at the
collegiate level, and about to
complete a Ph.D. dissertation.
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So pretty soon, we'll be calling
you Dr. Karl. I don't know that
many of your students are ready
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to call you Dr. Tsatalbasidis.
PASTOR KARL: They're definitely
not ready, no. CHRIS: Now, where
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we left off at the last show is,
we were asking the question
fundamentally, "Why don't we
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hear more people teaching, more
people preaching about the
sanctuary?" And in particular -
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we're going to talk about
history in just a moment - but
in particular, are there any
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Bible verses that help us
understand why it is we simply
just don't hear much about the
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sanctuary? PASTOR KARL: Yes,
Chris, there are. We're going to
go to a text in Daniel 8 and
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then we'll go later to
Revelation 13. You know, the
devil isn't very wise, but he's
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smart, and he knows where to
attack, and he recognizes that
the sanctuary is the framework.
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It provides the system and
guidance in order to help us to
understand God, to understand
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how we're saved, to understand
how we worship, to understand
how we should get along with one
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another and ethical decisions
that we have to make, and even
the process toward unity, or
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what some may refer to as
ecumenism. And in the Old
Testament sanctuary, everything
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revolved around that. All
Israelite life was gathered
around that. And just to review,
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we've been discovering that even
in the Old Testament sanctuary,
everything was oriented and
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geared toward the heavenly. And
then we discussed Hebrews
chapter 12 and Revelation
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chapter 1 and 2, and Revelation
4 and 5 and others where you
have all this rich imagery about
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the sanctuary and heaven. And so
that view of the heavenly
sanctuary has been really
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eclipsed. And there are real
reasons that the Bible points as
to how this went about
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happening. So just to pick it
up. CHRIS: We'll go right here
to Daniel 8, but something I
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think, you and I were talking
before the show started, and I
think it's something important
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that we need to point out,
because there may be somebody
listening who has heard someone
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say, "You know, the Old
Testament sanctuary actually is
just a copy or looks just like
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other ancient pagan sanctuaries
or temples." Now, we have
established very clearly, the
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Bible says, the sanctuary in
heaven has existed forever,
since the beginning of time. And
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so I asked you the question,
"Could it be that the Hebrew
sanctuary, while maybe coming
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after some of those pagan
sanctuaries, the Hebrew
sanctuary is actually not a copy
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of those pagan sanctuaries, but
rather, those pagan sanctuaries
are a counterfeit to the true
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sanctuary?" What do you think
about that? PASTOR KARL: You
know, just before we go to
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Daniel, why don't we just go to
a book over, Ezekiel chapter 28?
CHRIS: Sounds good. PASTOR KARL:
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And in Ezekiel chapter 28, it
talks about the rise, or it
actually explains the rebellion
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of Lucifer. And
in verse 14, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: Now, there are two
things in verse 14 that point to
the heavenly sanctuary: him as
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the anointed cherub, and in the
sanctuary of Solomon's temple,
you actually have four of them,
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in First Kings 6:23-28. And then
he's in the midst of the stones
of fire; in Ezekiel 1:4-5 you
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have the living creatures that
are in the midst of the stones
of fire, reminiscent of
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Revelation 4 and 5 and the
living creatures that are there
So it's interesting that you
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make the point that these other
pagan temples are actually
counterfeits, and I think this
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text kind of explains why. It
tells us that Satan, Lucifer,
was one of these covering
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cherubs. And of course, he would
have first-hand knowledge and
first-hand experience about the
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realities of the heavenly
sanctuary. And one of the best
things he can do, then, is to
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make counterfeits to make it
look and appear as if all these
pagan temples are really, you
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know, resembling the heavenly,
but yet, he can't quite do that;
he can't make them an exact
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duplicate without ruining his
own mission and his own purpose.
CHRIS: That's right. PASTOR
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KARL: And so he will go ahead
and then modify them. And then
some critical scholars that
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don't really believe the Bible
is inspired and that we can't
use one text in order to
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illuminate another, they'll pick
up on that and say, "Hey, the
Hebrews really got this idea
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from all the surrounding
nations," when in fact, as your
question really alludes to,
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there was an arch-enemy, and he
knew the plans, and he was able
to counterfeit this.
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CHRIS: Absolutely. And now, to
our viewer, if you are saying,
"Who is this arch-enemy? Who is
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Lucifer? Who is Satan?" you can
go to our YouTube channel,
YouTube.com/IIWCanada. There,
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you can look up two different
series: "Noah: The Real Story"
or "Star Wars." In both of
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those, we trace the history of
rebellion of this once-angel,
now turned arch deceiver; once
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known as Lucifer, now known as
Satan. So Pastor Karl, very
clear - and I wanted to point
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that out - because what we are
seeing is we are seeing
counterfeits. And it makes
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sense. The devil was in heaven
at one time. He would've known
the layout of the sanctuary. And
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in his best attempt to make
religions that actually worship
him, he lays out this sanctuary
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system that is a false or
counterfeit. But we have
something else going on here
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that we don't hear about the
sanctuary very much: we actually
see, in the book of Daniel, that
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the sanctuary is trampled.
PASTOR KARL: Yes. CHRIS: Let's
talk about that, and then we'll
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jump to Revelation chapter 13.
PASTOR KARL: Alright. So let's
go back to Daniel chapter 8, and
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we'll pick it up
at verse 8, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: So
Alexander's empire is broken,
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and it goes to the four
winds of heaven. And it says:
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PASTOR KARL: And so out of one
of these horns, and out of one
of the directions of the compass
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at the same time, this little
horn would arise. And there's a
book by Edwin de Cock, brilliant
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South African scholar, who
traced the close relationship
between the Greeks and the
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Romans. He traced it
historically, but also
prophetically. And I'm not going
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to bombard our audience with a
whole bunch of text establishing
this, but here in Daniel chapter
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8, this is basically a Grecian
horn. Alexander's a Grecian
king, and his empire splits up
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into four, and so these are four
Grecian empires. And then the
little horn would grow up out of
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one of those empires. And that
happened to actually be the
empire of the western Greeks in
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Italy, which was really the
cradle of Greek philosophy. You
have philosophers like
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Parmenides and like Pythagoras;
and the more famous ones, then,
who assumed some of their
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teachings, were like Plato and
Aristotle. And so there you have
the development of Greek
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thinking. And so how did Greek
thinking basically affect the
sanctuary? Well, just before we
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get to that point, let's look at
one of the activities of the
little horn in verse 11,
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CHRIS: Mmhmm. PASTOR KARL: Now,
we've discussed the fact that
there are earthly sanctuaries,
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the earthly tent and the temple
structure, but that also,
there's a sanctuary in heaven.
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So the question is, well, this
casting down, which one does it
refer to? Well, in verse 14:
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If we apply the year-a-day
principle, which is a principle
that has been well-known by
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Biblical scholars, employed with
all the reformation fathers as
well, if we apply, we're not
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looking for the cleansing of any
earthly sanctuary. That will be
2,300 years into the future.
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CHRIS: That's right. PASTOR
KARL: So we're talking about the
cleansing of a heavenly
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sanctuary. We're talking about
the fact that when it says "the
place of his sanctuary was cast
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down," what it really means, is
the instrumental role that the
sanctuary would play would be
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completely eclipsed, so the
place of his sanctuary being
cast down. In Psalm 97:2, it
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links the place of God's
sanctuary with God's throne, and
that righteousness and judgement
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are the foundation of His
throne. And so this is an attack
on the heavenly sanctuary. Well,
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how exactly do they do that? I
mean, the little horn can't fly
up into heaven and wrench the
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angel, you know, all the angels
off their posts and wrestle God
Himself. This is obviously
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speaking in metaphorical terms
when it talks about casting down
His place. So this is a casting
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down of the systematic role and
nature of the sanctuary, that it
would no longer be the lens
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through which God's people would
then understand Who God was, His
character, or how to be saved,
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or how to worship, or how to
make ethical decisions and so
forth and so on. That would be
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completely eclipsed. And they
did that through. the Greeks
thought that ultimate reality
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was outside of time and space.
And what they mean by that -
they call it timelessness - and
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in timelessness, there is no
past, there is no present, there
is no future. There is no
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succession of time, so there's a
complete lack and
incompatibility of ultimate
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reality with time and space.
CHRIS: Okay. Now, let's unpack
that just a little bit, because
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there might be somebody watching
saying, "Whoa, I kind of feel
like the train went going by
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there." PASTOR KARL: Yes. CHRIS:
So let us be clear. Now, you
used the word "lens." So I'm
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going to use a little analogy.
You know, almost all of us have
been to the eye doctor at some
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point in our life, and as we go
to the eye doctor, the eye
doctor puts that little device
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up, and then they're trying to
find the right prescription for
you, and they'll go, "Number
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one, number two. Number one,
number two." And as they're
flipping that, one is a little
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out of focus, one is in focus.
The sanctuary, if we can take
that analogy, is like the lens
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that makes everything crystal
clear. The little horn power,
the cradle of philosophy, the
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cradle of really modern
philosophy, they're in the
western Greek empire, which was
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actually in Italy, gives rise to
a new system of interpretation,
a new lens, using that same
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analogy, that, when you flip the
lens, everything is blurred.
However, in order to attempt to
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bring some crystallizing of the
blurring, the explanation is
that, "Oh, things aren't really
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blurry; they may appear blurry,
but it's not really blurry."
PASTOR KARL: Mmhmm. CHRIS: And
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in that context, let's talk
about this timelessness now a
little bit to help it really be
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concrete for the viewer, for the
listener today. What do you mean
by that, the timelessness? How
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is that in opposition to the
sanctuary? PASTOR KARL: Okay,
very good. And it's a hard
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concept kind of to grasp. You
know what my wife tells me? She
tells me, "You know what? I have
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to study all this philosophy
because it's hard to study
systematic theology without
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studying philosophy." And so
when we head into all this, she
says, "You know, you're not
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living in the real world." And
most of the time, she's correct.
But I'll tell you what, it has a
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massive impact on Christianity
and the real world. And it
usually takes me a few sessions
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in class in order to try to
break it down, so I'll try to do
my best. Socrates was having
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these debates with the sophists.
That means the wise ones. And
the sophists adhered to this,
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which meant that, you know, they
believed it. You could make
anything anything you want. You
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know, the truth could be black
today and then white tomorrow.
And so. CHRIS: Kind of the
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idea, what's true for you is
true for you, what's true for me
is true for me. PASTOR
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KARL: Yes. CHRIS: Relativism.
PASTOR KARL: Correct,
relativism. And Socrates, who
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was really working and assuming
the insights of Parmenides and
Pythagoras, was saying, "No,
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there is a truth that doesn't
change." And he based that on
the immortality of the soul,
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which was then based on this
idea that ultimate reality has
no time and no space.
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CHRIS: Okay. PASTOR KARL: That
was considered unchangeable. So
there's no such thing, in
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ultimate reality, as, there's a
past, there's a present, there's
a future; that doesn't exist
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anymore. And that ended up being
the template from which the
early church, the medieval
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church, began to understand Who
God was. So when the Bible says
God was unchangeable, they
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interpret that to mean that He
actually doesn't interact with
His creation, because that would
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lessen His perfection. CHRIS:
Got it. PASTOR KARL: Okay. So
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timelessness means the
incompatibility of time and
space with ultimate reality,
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because there is no time and
space. CHRIS: And that stands in
direct opposition to the
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sanctuary, because the sanctuary
is a real place that exists in
real time - now, that time has
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been forever since the beginning
- but where the sanctuary,
actually, the very function of
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the sanctuary itself, as
outlined in Exodus 25:8 is, God
wants the sanctuary to be there
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because He wants to dwell
amongst us. And so you have the
rise of philosophy, which is
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essentially saying, God's
timelessness is actually His
lack of desire or lack of intent
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to interact personally with His
beings, because there is no
reality, so to speak. PASTOR
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KARL: It's impossible for Him to
do that, in other words. CHRIS:
Whereas the Biblical framework
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of the sanctuary, that lens that
brings everything crystal clear,
is that God wants to dwell among
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us, God wants to relate with us,
and God wants to save us, and
God wants to take us to a real
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heaven where we would have a
real home with Him where He sits
on the throne in the real
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sanctuary. PASTOR KARL: Yeah.
CHRIS: Am I kind of summarizing
that to help us out here? PASTOR
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KARL: Yeah. And that we're
actually doing real things.
CHRIS: Yes. PASTOR KARL: We're
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not inhibited by the same things
that inhibit us here now, but
we're actually doing real
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things. And you know, that
brought me to my conversion
experience, actually. And I
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didn't really have a lot of
Bible instruction growing up,
but the contemporary teaching
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about heaven is that, well,
you're just going to be kind of
like on puffy clouds playing
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harps for all the ceaseless ages
of eternity. And as a young man
of 21 and 22 years old, that
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wasn't very appealing. It's
like, well, who would want to go
there? But when you talk about
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the fact that in heaven, we're
not only going to see Christ and
see the Father face to face, but
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have association with angels, to
see the vastness of God's
handiwork, doing real things;
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and so these ideas are very
pervasive. We're just kind of
touching on the consequences of
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some of them right here. But
yes, if the Greek idea is true,
it changes everything. It
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changes how we view God; it
changes how we view ultimate
reality. CHRIS: Mmhmm. PASTOR
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KARL: It changes how we're
saved; it changes the methods
that we use for worship; and the
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whole thing just snowballs after
that. CHRIS: So we're continuing
to dwell on this question, "Why
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don't we hear much about it?"
Karl, are there any other texts
that might help us in this
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understanding of how the
sanctuary has been cast down?
Something in the book of
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Revelation that might give us a
little clue-in as to what has
happened? PASTOR KARL: Yes,
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let's turn to Revelation chapter
13. You know, those books fit
together like a hand in a glove.
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And often, the themes that
Daniel raises, John the
revelator goes and picks up on.
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And so we're in Revelation
chapter 13. And in verse 5, it
talks about this beast that
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comes up out of the sea, having
seven heads and ten horns. And
in verse 2, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: And this brings us
back to Daniel chapter 7, and
that leopard represents Greece.
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And it says: PASTOR KARL: Now,
notice very closely in verse 2,
that the frame of this animal is
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the leopard, which means that,
although this is a Roman beast
here that we're talking about,
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and again, there's a close
association, not only
historically, but prophetically,
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between Greece and Rome. When
the Romans took over, they were
the superiors of the Greeks as
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far as militarily, as far as
administratively, but yet,
there's one place where they
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didn't conquer, and that was in
the area of philosophy. And they
ended up incorporating the Greek
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philosophical structure into
their system. And in verse 5, we
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see here, it says: PASTOR KARL:
So here is, stated a little
differently than Daniel chapter
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8, but this beast that rises up
out of the sea would blaspheme
the tabernacle. And he would
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eclipse it from our view. He
would completely reinterpret it.
He would set up his own earthly
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priestly system and duplicate
that which is in heaven here on
earth, and at the same time,
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eclipse our view from what's
going on there in heaven. CHRIS:
Now, you mentioned this in our
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last show together, so we have
this. The Bible actually says
there would come a time where
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the temple, the sanctuary - and
now we have another word here
introduced, the tabernacle - all
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of those are synonymous words -
would be cast down, would be
trampled underfoot. And you keep
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using this word "eclipsed." I
love that, because the sun is
pervasive, the sun shines,
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unless there is an eclipse. And
so, the Greek philosophy which
actually found its home in the
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church, the medieval church,
essentially crowds out the light
of the sanctuary. And something
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you mentioned in the last show
was that in the Church Fathers,
37 volumes of the Church
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Fathers, we find very little, if
any mention of the sanctuary at
all. PASTOR KARL: No, hardly
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anything at all. You can punch
up those terms in the search
engine, and you find absolutely
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nothing. And Revelation was the
last book that was written.
You're talking, what, 80, 90
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A.D. or later. And then, you
know, you have some of these
writings that are not too far
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from that, on into the 5th, 6th,
7th century, and there's
nothing, absolutely nothing.
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CHRIS: Wow. Now, in these last
five minutes that we have
together, Pastor Karl, what else
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do we see happening historically
where the sanctuary is just
falling off the scene? PASTOR
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KARL: yeah. You know, I teach a
class called History of
Christianity, and so I take my
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students through a little more
involved process of explaining
Greek philosophy, how Daniel and
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Revelation foresee the rise of
all this. And because philosophy
is sometimes so oblivious and so
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broad and so, you know, "What
does this have to do with
anything?" and so people kind of
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have a hard time, and so they
don't study it. But what we
usually find is that even church
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fathers like, let's say,
Tertullian, for example, he was
kind of, well, not in
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competition, but one of his
contemporaries was Clement from
Alexandria. And Alexandria was a
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hotbed of Greek thinking. And
Clement found no problem in
amalgamating Greek philosophy
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and the Bible. Tertullian, on
the other hand, despised that
approach, completely despised
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it. But, when it came to the
issue of the Sabbath, he ended
up using Greek philosophy in
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order to debunk the Sabbath by
claiming that there is somehow a
heavenly eternal Sabbath, and
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then a temporal Sabbath, and
that Jesus kept the heavenly
timeless Sabbath, but He didn't
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keep the seventh-day earthly
Sabbath. And so you can put your
head in the sand and say you
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don't want to study philosophy,
but you will be doomed to be
affected by it. And this has
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been traced not only just in the
early church fathers, but even
in some of the protestant
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reformists as well, who, like
Martin Luther, who called
philosophy "like the harlot,"
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but even still, ended up using
some of their systems in order
to explain things that really
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have no basis in the Bible. And
so really, some of the top
thinkers have been affected by
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these Greek views: Philo of
Alexandria, a contemporary of
Jesus, who thought, again, you
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could amalgamate the Bible and
Greek thinking. When it came to
the sanctuary, he basically
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allegorized it away. He
completely spiritualized it
away. When it came to even
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Augustine in the 5th century,
same thing happened. When it
came to Aquinas, a prominent
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Roman Catholic theologian in the
13th century, again, they
basically just spiritualized it
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away. Why? Because their concept
of ultimate reality has no room
for this kind of spatio-temporal
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structure in which God actually
moves from place to place.
There's absolutely no room for
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it. CHRIS: So Pastor Karl, we
have about two minutes left. So
I'm just going to simply ask you
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this question - we're going to
pick this up more in our next
show - is there any hope? Do we
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see any hope for a restoration
of our own thinking? Because the
Bible is quite clear: God exists
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in time, God exists in space.
The sanctuary is the sanctuary.
It's real. What hope do we have?
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PASTOR KARL: Psalm 11:3: If the
foundations are destroyed, what
can the righteous do? PASTOR
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KARL: The psalmist says in verse
4 that: The Lord's throne is in
heaven. PASTOR KARL: Even
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historically, Chris, as God's
people were scattered from
Jerusalem to Babylon and other
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lands because of their sins,
there came a time when they
would return. And when they
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returned, what did they begin to
do? They began immediately to
rebuild the sanctuary again. And
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so as they came out of Babylon,
God had called them out of
Babylon in order to rebuild the
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sanctuary. You mentioned
something earlier also, in
Revelation 11:1, and that is,
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after this great Babylonian. I'm
sorry, after this great
disappointment with the
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Babylonian exile, so to speak,
spiritually, the very next
thing, this rise and mesh of the
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temple of God. And that's what
people began to do. And there
are more and more and more
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people doing it today and
discovering the sanctuary is the
system that helps explain
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everything. CHRIS: And so, as we
conclude, we have hope by
spending time studying the
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sanctuary. And just like we're
in the doctor's office and he
flips the little switch and
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says, "Number one or number
two," we can take this
opportunity to choose number one
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- and number one being, building
our foundation upon the
sanctuary. Let's have prayer,
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Pastor Karl, and ask God to show
us and point us in that right
direction. Let's pray. Heavenly
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Father, we are so thankful that
we could turn our eyes toward
heaven and know that there is a
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God in heaven Who sits on the
throne in the sanctuary Who
wants to have a relationship
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with us and Who is sending His
Son soon to take us home.
Please, help us to embrace that
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hope today, we pray in Jesus'
name, amen. PASTOR KARL: Amen.
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CHRIS: Dear friends, the God of
heaven, the Creator of the
universe, desires to have a
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personal relationship with you.
He has set a framework, a
foundation called the sanctuary
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to teach us about how we can
have relationship with Him. I
want to offer you the book Where
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God and I Meet: The Sanctuary.
This book looks closely at the
sanctuary, its components, and
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what it means for each of us as
individuals. Here's the
information you need to receive
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today's offer.
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CHRIS: The sanctuary is a real
place that provides a real
foundation for the troublest
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times in which we live. Dear
friends, God is calling upon you
to place your foundation on that
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rock. Pastor Karl, thank you so
much for being here and helping
us to see this more
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clearly. PASTOR KARL: It's been
great. CHRIS: My dear friends, I
hope you enjoyed the program
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this week. I invite you to join
us again next week. Until then,
remember, it is written: "Man
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shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God."
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