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CHRIS: You know, friends,
foundations are everything.
Without a foundation, buildings
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will collapse under their own
weight. In fact, Jesus Himself
told a parable about two
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builders: one who built his
house upon the sand, the other
who built his house upon the
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rock. Now, when the floods came,
only the house built upon the
solid foundation of the rock
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survived. It is in the same way
that each of us, as we are
building our spiritual house, we
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need to build that house on a
solid foundation. What is the
foundation that we need to build
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upon? How can we build it? And
what happens if we choose not to
build it on a solid foundation?
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Now, over the course of the next
several weeks, we will talk
about building on solid,
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spiritual foundations so our
spiritual house is built to
last. Now, here to help me along
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in that discussion, I have a
friend and colleague, Karl
Tsatalbasidis. Karl, welcome to
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It Is Written Canada. PASTOR
KARL: Well, thanks, Chris, for
having me. It's good to be back
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home for me. CHRIS: Yeah, well,
that's what I was going to first
ask. Tell us a little bit about
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yourself, Karl. PASTOR KARL:
Sure. I was born and raised in
Toronto, Canada, Greater Toronto
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Area, and I basically lived here
until I was in my early 20s, and
then, as fate would have it, I
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went to school and have found
myself in the States now for a
little over 25 years. CHRIS:
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Okay, wow, so we want to welcome
you back home. Now, you went
down to the States and you
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actually have experience in
pastoral ministry. You pastored
for about 18 years. And then you
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had kind of a new calling in
life. Where did life lead? And
not that you ever stopped
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pastoring. You're kind of always
a pastor. But where did life
take you after pastoral
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ministry? PASTOR KARL: Yes, when
I was finishing up, like, the
master's program at Andrews
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University, and I had begun
pastoring for a few years, I
really wanted to study a little
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bit more indepthly [sic] into
the issues of worship, music,
the sanctuary, things like that.
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And so as I began to do that, I
began to develop seminar
materials, and that kind of took
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me to various places. And I
thought to myself, "Wow, I'd
really like to do this a little
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more. I'd like to be able to
share some of the things that
I've been learning and go to
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different places." And I
thought, you know, I'd want to
go back to school, and so I did
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end up going back to school. And
then I ended up teaching. As I
think about my own conversion
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experience, I was converted
while I was in my early 20s at
York University, not too far
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from here. And so, I really
thought to myself, "You know,
young people are really where
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it's at, all the energy, the
enthusiasm, the ideas." And I
thought, "You know, teaching
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would really be something that I
could appreciate and feel like I
could make a contribution." So
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after pastoring, it was kind of
natural for me, then, to go into
five years of teaching, and I've
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been doing that ever since.
CHRIS: That is really exciting.
And I'll tell you, some probably
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caught your story there, and
they said, "Oh, he was
converted. What's his conversion
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story?" And so, to the viewer,
I'm going to tell the viewer,
and I want to hang on. You're
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going to want to hang on,
because we're going to come back
to KARL's story about the midst
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of this series and how God
worked in a mighty way. But you
know, KARL, you're a Ph.D.
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candidate, you're actually in
the homestretch of finishing up.
And so instead of calling you
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Pastor Karl, we're going to have
to call you Dr. Karl here very
soon. But you know, Karl, I've
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invited you here because some
time back, I did a series called
"The Jerusalem Factor." Now, in
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that series - and to our
viewers, our listeners, if you
haven't seen "The Jerusalem
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Factor" or read it, you can go
to our YouTube channel,
YouTube.com/IIWCanada, and
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there, you can watch the
archives. Now, Pastor Karl, as
we were going through that, we
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asked this fundamental question:
"Is it possible that people are
looking in the wrong direction?"
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And here's what I meant by that.
You know, much of the Christian
world, and actually, a
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significant portion of the
secular world, have been looking
toward the literal Jerusalem for
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a literal temple to be rebuilt
after what would be a massive
middle east war, but would
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culminate in this building of a
literal temple. And we ended
that series by saying, "You
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know, I don't know if a temple
in Jerusalem will be rebuilt. I
just don't know; we can't
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predict that." However, we
simply asked the question, "Is
it possible that everybody's
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looking toward Jerusalem and a
literal temple, but actually,
our attention should be focused
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elsewhere?" And the text that we
looked at is that text in the
book of Hebrews. And so why
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don't we go to Hebrews? Hebrews
chapter 8 and verse 1 and verse
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2, that says this: CHRIS: And
so, the question I want to ask
you, as you have been exploring
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in your Ph.D. studies, as you
have explored through your
teaching, you said one of your
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areas - and it is an area of
expertise - and that is, the
sanctuary. So I'm going to ask
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you a really broad question:
What is the sanctuary? PASTOR
KARL: Wow. Well, you know,
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Chris, this subject is so vast,
that according to some
researchers, that if you were to
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take all the aspects of the
Bible and kind of compile them
in chapter form under the
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heading of the sanctuary, you'd
probably have about 50 chapters
that are devoted to this
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subject. CHRIS: Wow. PASTOR
KARL: And so this is an
incredibly vast topic that we're
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talking about here, and it's
very comprehensive, and it
involves just about everything.
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The sanctuary is connected to
just about everything you can
imagine. The presence of God is
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really the main component, so to
speak, if you want to refer to
God that way, in the sanctuary.
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But you also have Christ, Who's
really the main part of the
godhead in the sanctuary. You
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have all these ritual actions
that are connected with the
sanctuary. It's a structure,
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it's a building, so it's
connected to the things of the
material universe. Again, it's
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really the most intricately
connected topic that there
possibly is. But the question,
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you know, "What is the
sanctuary"? I mean, really
plainly speaking, it is a
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structure. It is a structure. We
were just in Hebrews chapter 8.
We could go over to Hebrews
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chapter 9. And in Hebrews
chapter 9, you get kind of a
succinct view there that the
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apostle gives us of the
sanctuary. And so I'm going to
begin here with verse 1. It
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says: Now, in fact, the golden
censor was part of the holy
place, but the apostle here is
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bringing out the fact that when
the priest ministered in the
sanctuary and they ministered
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where the golden censor was that
offered the incense, they were
brought almost into the
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immediate contact of the
presence of God. And so it was
so closely associated with the
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presence of God and the Most
Holy Place, that the apostle
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here says PASTOR KARL: And so
then it des cribes the
activities of the high priest
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going in there once a year into
the Most Holy Place. So here we
have the sanctuary really as a
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structure. It was an earthly
structure, and I think when most
people think of the sanctuary,
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they think of that earthly
structure that the Jews had
erected. But, I think what we
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really need to underscore here
is that the heavenly sanctuary
was a reality, way before the
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Jewish structure ever showed up.
Now, you took us to Hebrews
chapter 8 verses 1 and 2, and
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that made it very clear there
in verse 2 that Jesus is the...
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Another very interesting text in
Jeremiah chapter 17, Jeremiah
chapter 17 and verse 12, the
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ancient prophet brings
this out as well. He says:
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CHRIS: Okay. PASTOR KARL: So a
glorious high throne from the
beginning is the place of our
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sanctuary. CHRIS: Now, we're
going to hit the pause button
here, because we've covered a
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lot of ground, and there might
be somebody sitting there
saying, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, this
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is kind of a lot really fast."
So let's go back to Hebrews 8:1,
and then we're going to come
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right back here. PASTOR KARL:
Yes. CHRIS: Hebrews 8:1 begins
with these words, written
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by the apostle. Now, the book of
Hebrews was written undoubtedly.
it was authored by Paul. Whether
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Paul actually wrote it with his
hands or dictated it to a
scribe, no doubt, Paul is
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writing this. He's writing to a
group of believers. And he uses
this, and he says, "Now, this is
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the main point." And the reason
I want to come back to this,
because we're talking about
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foundations. We're talking about
establishing our spiritual
house. That word there, "main
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point," it's this Greek word
that means "the chief capstone,
the chief cornerstone." Both of
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them are used to describe this
word. And of course, in ancient
buildings, the cornerstone was
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that which kept everything
together. And then Paul says,
and points us to the sanctuary
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in heaven. Then you quoted from
Hebrews 9, which talked about a
sanctuary in the earth. I asked
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you, "What's a sanctuary?" and
you said it's a structure, and
you started naming off all these
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things. PASTOR KARL: Mmhmm.
CHRIS: And then we went to
Jeremiah, where we said the
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sanctuary has existed from the
very beginning of time. So we
need to unpack all of that a
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little bit. Heavenly sanctuary.
How did we get an earthly
sanctuary? Help us kind of
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understand, and we're going to
come back to this, because what
we're going to see and what
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we're going to be spending time
on over the next several weeks
is, you said something very
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important: the sanctuary is
connected to everything. PASTOR
KARL: Yes. CHRIS: And because
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it's connected to everything -
and I don't want to take us too
far along before we get there -
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but because it's connected to
everything, that means the
sanctuary is actually connected
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to me and my growth as a
Christian. PASTOR KARL: Mmhmm.
CHRIS: We're going to cover.
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because some people are saying,
"I've never heard this before,"
we're going to actually spend a
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lot of time talking about why we
don't hear about this anymore.
But let's talk about this. We
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have a heavenly sanctuary, which
the book of Jeremiah says
existed since the beginning, but
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then somehow, we got an earthly
sanctuary. Let's unpack that a
little bit, KARL. How are these
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existing and what does that mean
for us? PASTOR KARL: Okay. You
brought up that word, "this is
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the main point." You know, out
of all the apostle talks about
in the book of Hebrews - which
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is an amazing book, 13 chapters,
and it covers so much - there's
contrast between the first
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covenant and then the second
covenant, between the Levitical
priesthood and then Christ's
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priesthood, between an earthy
sanctuary and a heavenly
sanctuary. And here, he's
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saying, "Out of all that I'm
saying, this is the main point,
that there actually exists a
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reality up there that is called
the heavenly sanctuary." And I
think the context here is
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important, the historical
context here. You know, Jesus
prophesied in Matthew 24 that
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not one stone would be left upon
another that shall not be thrown
down. As the disciples were
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looking at the temple and
showing Him the buildings of the
temple, this is what Jesus said.
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CHRIS: Yes. PASTOR KARL: And so
all of their hopes and dreams
were connected with the services
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that were involved in that
sanctuary, and they couldn't
think of life without that. And
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so, here the apostle is kind of
preparing them, as the earthly
sanctuary was about to be
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destroyed - and we'll get to how
the earthly is a copy in just a
minute - but he's preparing them
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in saying, "Look, Christ has
entered into the heavenly
sanctuary, and we're to base our
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hopes and our aspirations and
our anchor in Him up there." And
so, this is so central, and as
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we're going to continue on, that
even in the Old Testament times,
as there was an earthly
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sanctuary, it was. everything
they did was oriented around the
heavenly. So getting back to the
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earthly concept, how did this
originate? And I think we need
to go back to the book of Exodus
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for a moment there. CHRIS: And
one of the things I want to
point out, as we're turning to
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the book of Exodus, Pastor Karl,
you and I are going to use two
words probably interchangeably
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for the next several weeks that
we're together. We're going to
use the word "temple" and the
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word "sanctuary" and we're going
to use those interchangeably.
PASTOR KARL: Correct.
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CHRIS: Maybe help us just a
little bit as we turn to Exodus,
help us a little bit to
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understand why those words are
interchangeable words. PASTOR
KARL: Yes, very good. In Exodus
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chapter 25:8-9, this
is Moses, and it says:
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PASTOR KARL: And so there was an
earthly tent, and that sanctuary
had existed for several
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centuries. But if you remember,
David wanted to build a
sanctuary for God as well. He
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wanted to actually build the
temple, and God told him that
because he was a man of war,
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that he would not be able to
build that temple, but his son
Solomon would build that temple.
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And then there you have a more
permanent structure. In the time
of Moses, that earthly tent was
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built in such a way that the
Levites could go ahead and
disassemble and carry it from
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place to place as they
sojourned. But then eventually,
as they began to settle in
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Jerusalem, you have a massive
temple then that was built. And
so the temple kind of more
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reminds us of the temple that
Solomon built, and then the
tent. You have the earthly
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structure that Moses built.
CHRIS: Okay. So let's go and
dwell here a moment with Exodus
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25. So Hebrews 8 describes a
heavenly reality. We're going to
come to this in just a moment,
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because some people will say,
"Ah, this is symbolic." But it
would appear that it is a
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reality. How did we get the
earthly? You just read Exodus
25. PASTOR KARL: Mmhmm.
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CHRIS: That says it was a copy.
Well, what was it a copy of?
PASTOR KARL: The only thing that
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it could be a copy of was the
heavenly. If you go to verse 40
of Exodus chapter 25 as well, it
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says:
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PASTOR KARL: And even Hebrews 8
talks about the fact that the
heavenly is the true, and that
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the earthly is a copy of the
heavenly. And so, the original
pattern, the original structure,
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the original design, is
something that came to the Bible
writers through the inspiration
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of the Holy Spirit. Actually,
I'm thinking about a text here
in First Chronicles, just to
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alert us to the fact that the
Bible claims that this was
inspired by the Holy Spirit. And
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so, this is First Chronicles
chapter 28:12. Just a bit of
context here, this is David
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assembling all the people of
Jerusalem together and giving
Solomon a charge in building it.
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And if you look
at verse 12, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: And so this pattern
here was revealed by the Holy
Spirit. And verse 19 also of
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First Chronicles 28, it says:
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PASTOR KARL: And so whether it
was the tent structure that God
revealed to Moses, or the
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temple, it was something that
was revealed by God, because the
reality already pre-existed
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that, which is why we went to
the Jeremiah text, when Jeremiah
reminded us that hey, from the
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very beginning, there has been a
glorious sanctuary where God met
with His people there. And it's
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interesting in Jeremiah's text,
it says, "This is the place of
our sanctuary." Now, the earthly
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temple existed in Jeremiah's
day, and so I think it's
significant that he would say
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that even as they're assembling
around the earthly, it's almost
like the earthly was a
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projection of the heavenly, and
as they were worshipping toward
the earthly, it was actually a
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worship toward the heavenly as
well, which we'll get into in
just a minute. And so the
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patterns are definitely there.
As a matter of fact, let's look
at some of the dynamic
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interaction that happens. CHRIS:
Okay. PASTOR KARL: Even in the
Old Testament. Because
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people think, "You know, in the
Old Testament, yes, there was
the sanctuary, the temple
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provided the place where
everything revolved around, and
that was it, and there was kind
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of no connection between the
heavenly and the earthly. And so
let's go to First Kings chapter
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8. And this is referring to the
dedication of the temple, and
Solomon is about to. and Solomon
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is actually praying here. And I
just want to draw our attention
to the fact that when he prays,
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he's actually directing his
prayer towards God in heaven and
actually asking God to hear from
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that perspective. And so we'll
pick it up at verse 29. CHRIS:
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Okay, sure. PASTOR KARL:
First Kings 8:29. It states:
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PASTOR KARL: And so you'll find
this pattern in various places
throughout this chapter. For
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instance, you'll go to verse 33:
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PASTOR KARL: Now, I won't read
the rest of the text; I'll just
mention the references. Verse 36
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says "hear thou in heaven, thy
dwelling place." Verse 39, the
same thing. Verse 43, the exact
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same thing. So here we have
Solomon. They're all gathered
around the earthly. He is
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praying, but yet, he's asking
God to hear from His dwelling
place, from His sanctuary, from
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His temple up in heaven. And so
there's actually a dynamic
interaction. Now, there's a
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parallel passage to First Kings
8, and that's Second Chronicles
chapter 5-7. CHRIS: Okay. PASTOR
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KARL: At the end of Solomon's
prayer in Second Chronicles
7:1-3, in order to show God's
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approval of the way that they
had built the sanctuary and
everything else, well, you know,
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He came down in a miraculous way
and smoke filled the temple, the
priests couldn't enter in.
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CHRIS: Sure. PASTOR KARL: And so
you have this dynamic
interaction going on between
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Solomon directing his prayer
toward heaven, and then heaven,
of course, acknowledging that
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with a mighty outpouring of
God's spirit there. So there's
this dynamic interaction going
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on. CHRIS: That's really
exciting. So let's just cover a
little bit of the ground, review
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what we've talked about. The
book of Hebrews makes very
clear, as well as the book of
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Jeremiah, that there is a
literal sanctuary in heaven that
has existed since the very
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beginning of time. Then in the
past, during the time of Moses,
Moses was given instructions.
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Moses built a wilderness
sanctuary, a temporary structure
that was able to be put up and
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taken down as the children of
Israel moved throughout the
regions there. Later in the time
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of the kings, with David and
Solomon, they build a more
permanent structure, which is
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also a copy of the heavenly.
This is now why - and we want to
come back to this issue of
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foundations - this is why the
sanctuary is so vital, because
if what you're saying is true
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and what we are reading is true,
is this: The interaction between
the heavenly and the sanctuary
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demonstrates to us that A) God
has a plan; and B) God expects
His children, His people, to
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follow that plan, because
worship - and we're going to
spend a whole session talking
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about worship - but our worship
is a dynamic interaction with
the heavenly sanctuary, because
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the heavenly is. because
sometimes we just disconnect
heaven and earth. Heaven's up
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there, earth's down here, and
there's no interaction. But in
reality, the two of those
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actually are interacting in such
a way that our worship on this
earth is actually worship that
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is happening in the very
heavenly sanctuary itself.
PASTOR KARL: Yeah, absolutely.
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CHRIS: And so Karl, let's talk
about this as we have just a few
minutes left in this. And our
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time has just flown by. But as
we talk about this Old Testament
dynamic interaction, are there a
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couple of New Testament texts
that might talk to us about that
interaction between the heavenly
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and the earthly sanctuary?
PASTOR KARL: Yes, yes, there
are. Actually, let's turn back
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to Hebrews again. Hebrews is
just such a pivotal book for our
subject matter. Let's go to
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Hebrews chapter 12, and we'll
pick it up at verse 18. So we'll
be in Hebrews 12:18 and roughly
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to. well, as we make commentary,
it actually ends at chapter 29.
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It says: PASTOR KARL: Now, I'm
going to stop there for a
moment. What the apostle is
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saying is that when we come and
gather together, whether it's
for a session that you and I are
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doing right now as we're talking
about spiritual things, or
whether it's in a church, we're
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actually orienting ourselves
toward the heavenly. But what he
first says is that when you come
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together, you didn't come to
that literal mountain back in
Exodus chapter 20 on Mount
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Sinai. CHRIS: That's right.
PASTOR KARL: So you're not
coming there. And so in verse
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22, it switches gears. He says,
"You're not coming to that
literal mountain where I spoke
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the Ten Commandments, and
even Moses said, 'I'm really
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afraid.'" It says: PASTOR KARL:
And I'll stop there for a
moment. So you're not coming to
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Mount Sinai where the Ten
Commandments were proclaimed;
you're coming to the mountain in
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heaven, the heavenly Jerusalem.
And this is where the saints of
God, as we are worshipping all
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over the planet - when we're
worshipping here in Canada or in
the U.S. or in South America or
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in Asia or in Africa - whenever
God's people are coming together
in a corporate sense, although
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we're all geographically
scattered all over the place,
we're not just orienting
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ourselves to some earthly
location. It's saying we're
actually orienting ourselves
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toward that heavenly Jerusalem
where the presence of God is. It
mentions God as the Judge there,
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it mentions the blood of the
covenant and Christ being there.
It also mentions the angelic
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host. So the angelic host and us
are all together in this.
There's a dynamic interaction
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going on. And as the Word of God
is preached, notice the appeal
in verse 25 of Hebrews chapter
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12. It says: PASTOR KARL: And so
as God's Word is spoken from
heaven through the living
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preacher on earth, we are all
gathered together, there's a
dynamic interaction going on.
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CHRIS: Now, Pastor Karl, this is
exciting. We are going to come
back to this text. But we are
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just out of time. But here's the
powerful thing that we end on
today: When we worship God, we
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actually come into His very
presence, which is in the
heavenly sanctuary. PASTOR
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KARL: Amen. CHRIS: Lets pray on
that as we end today, but we'll
continue next week. Heavenly
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Father, we are so grateful that
we are not left alone, but we
can be with You in the heavenly
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sanctuary. We pray
this in Jesus' name, amen.
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CHRIS: Friends, today's program
was jam-packed with information.
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I want to thank you so much for
joining us today. PASTOR KARL:
It's been a privilege to
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be here. CHRIS: Thank you. And
friend, I hope you enjoyed
today's program. I invite you to
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join us again next week. Until
then, remember, it is written:
"Man shall not live by bread
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alone, but by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God."
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