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It has stood the test of time.
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Still relevant in
today's complex world
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Sharing messages of
hope around the world!
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CHRIS: Have you ever wondered
why our earth is not covered by
oceans of oxygen? Now, if you
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were paying attention in
chemistry class - and I know it
may have been hard for some of
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us to pay attention - but it
probably crossed your mind at
some point, in our atmosphere,
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the oxygen molecule, composed of
two oxygen atoms. now, I know
I'm getting a little technical,
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but stay with me - when those
two oxygen atoms are joined
together, it's a gas. But if you
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put two hydrogen atoms together
with an oxygen atom, of course
you get liquid water, H2O. The
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water molecule is much lighter
than the oxygen molecule. Now,
why is the heavier molecule a
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gas, and the lighter molecule,
water? How would our world be
different if there were no
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liquid water? To help me answer
those questions and their
implication on faith, I'm joined
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today by Dr. Tim Standish. Dr.
Standish, thank you for being
with us. DR. STANDISH: Well,
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thank you for letting me come.
CHRIS: You know, Dr. Standish, I
was talking about things that
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were getting me a little bit
outside the realm of my
expertise. You are an expert in
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this area of water, because of
course, you are a biologist. You
hold a Ph.D. in environmental
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biology and public policy. You
have a Master's in biology, an
undergraduate degree, a
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Bachelor's of Science in
Zoology, and you're the senior
scientist at the Geoscience
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Research Institute. Now, Dr.
Standish, just to help our
audience get a little more
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familiar with you, what do you
do on a daily basis for the
Geoscience Research Institute?
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DR. STANDISH: The great thing
about working where I work is
that every day is different.
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Some days, I come in, and I
write for much of the day. There
are always constant
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interruptions and things like
that. But I work with graduate
students who are working on
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graduate degrees in the
sciences. I obviously correspond
with people. I have a
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laboratory. On a good day, I get
to do some work in there. And
then of course, there's a lot of
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work outside of the office where
we travel, teach classes, give
presentations at various kinds
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of meetings. Every day is
different. CHRIS: And you work
in a place where every day is
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different. The Geoscience
Research Institute, just to help
folks, what is it dedicated to?
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What's kind of the mission of
the Geoscience Research
Institute? DR. STANDISH: The
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reason for the Institute to
exist is to explore the
relationship between science and
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faith. What is a good,
productive, reasonable
understanding of the Biblical
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record of history and the
current claims of science? Most
of the time, there are no
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tensions there. You know, the
Bible talks about a place called
Jerusalem; hey, we can go and
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see Jerusalem and there it is.
You know, lots of things like
that. But there are these
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occasional areas where there's
some kind of tension. I'm really
interested in those. You know,
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how might those tensions be
resolved? How can they
legitimately be resolved? Where
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might there be something new
that we need to find out? Those
are questions that we ask, and
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sometimes, when we can come up
with something that we might be
able to address, we may actually
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go out and work on doing science
to see whether a given way of
resolving things might in fact
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be a possibility. CHRIS: Now,
that sounds all very
interesting. And if someone
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wanted to maybe read more about
your work or some of the work of
the Geoscience Research
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Institute, where would they
find information? DR. STANDISH:
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Probably the best place to start
is our website, which is
www.GRISDA.org. And so
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GRISDA.org. I encourage people
also to get onto our Facebook
page. You can just do that by
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looking for Geoscience Research
Institute. And there's
constantly changing information
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there. On the website itself, we
have a constant news feed where
we put up links to articles, not
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necessarily articles that we all
agree with, but articles that
are coming out in the literature
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that address these issues that
we're interested in, in some
way. CHRIS: Very good. Now,
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we've talked about water. And
I'm sure someone might be
wondering, what does water have
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to do with faith? But let's just
talk about water, because we're
going to get there. So if you're
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watching, just hang on. We're
going to tie this into the
Biblical faith. What makes water
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so different than other
molecules? DR. STANDISH: Water
is almost like a miracle. It's a
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very unique kind of molecule.
We've already talked about how
it's a relatively small, light
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molecule, but it exists as a
liquid at room temperature. Now,
the interesting thing is, there
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are not many things that
actually do exist as liquids at
room temperature. Water is
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obviously the big one. There are
certain oils, but oils are big
molecules. Water is tiny. Some
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alcohols - ethanol and methanol
and these - they are liquids at
room temperature, but they're
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significantly heavier also than
water itself. But things that
are liquids at room temperature
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are kind of unusual. So that's
one special thing about water.
And the big question is, why?
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CHRIS: Yes. DR. STANDISH: Why is
that? It's because water is a
polar molecule. What that means
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is, it's got an area that is a
little bit more negative on it
with a little bit of a negative
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charge, and it has slightly
positive charges out where the
hydrogen atoms are on the
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molecule. And because of that,
the positive and negative
charges attract one another, and
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so the water molecules stick
together and they remain a
liquid at room temperature as
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opposed to pretty much anything
else that is, you know, that
kind of molecular weight. But
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the fact that it's polar then
means that water has some other
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characteristics to it. Have you
really interesting ever tried
dissolving salt in cooking oil?
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CHRIS: It doesn't work very
well. DR. STANDISH: No, it just
doesn't happen at all. Water
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will dissolve all kinds of
different things. Sometimes
people call it a universal
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solvent. It isn't truly
universal, because there are
things, obviously, that you
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can't dissolve in water, but it
is amazing the way that it can
dissolve all kinds of different
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ions like salt. It can dissolve
alcohols, it can dissolve
sugars, just tons of stuff,
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which is really useful for
living things, because those are
the sorts of things that we need
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to move around in our bodies.
Well, we can use water to move
things like salt and sugar
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around inside our bodies,
because our bodies are made
primarily of water. When we talk
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about living things, frequently
we get obsessed with carbon and
carbon-containing molecules.
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Water, when we weigh yourself,
it's mostly water. Now,
obviously, there are other
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things that weigh something into
you. But if we were to dry
ourselves out, we would lose a
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huge amount of weight. Losing
water is the quickest way to
lose weight for a human being.
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Don't do it, because you need
that water. But. so that's one
other thing about water. Another
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amazing thing about water. in
fact, some people have contended
that life might not be possible
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on earth because of this one
property, and that is that
water, when it freezes, expands.
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CHRIS: Yes. DR. STANDISH: Now,
most things, the colder they
get, the more they shrink. But
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water gets cold and then it gets
a little bit bigger. And as a
consequence of that, ice, which
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is frozen water, floats in
water. The cool thing about that
is that it means that life can
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survive underneath a layer of
ice. Imagine if ice froze at the
surface and fell down to the
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bottom of a lake. Well, then,
the bottom of the lake would be
frozen, and it would unthaw
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very, very, very slowly. The
next time a winter came around,
more ice would freeze and fall
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down to the bottom of the lake,
and of course, if you had fish
trying to live in this lake,
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there'd be ice falling down all
the time, and the water would be
getting shallower and shallower
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and shallower as the bottom of
the lake froze. And in addition
to that, here in Canada, you
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would have no ice skating
possible. You might be able to
ski on the water if you have a
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boat, but there'd be no ice
skating. By the way, because of
this property that water has,
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ice skating wouldn't be possible
either, even if you had the ice
out on dry land. And the reason
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for that is that when the skate
goes, you know, over the surface
of the ice, it exerts a lot of
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pressure, and it squeezes it
down, and the water, it actually
melts underneath the skate.
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That's why it slides so nicely.
So there are lots of these
amazing properties that water
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has. CHRIS: And you are, of
course, in Canada. I think of
Newfoundland and the amazing
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icebergs. And these icebergs,
often, the size and sometimes
even larger. not necessarily in
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height, but in mass, so some of
these skyscrapers in Toronto and
Vancouver, you see these amazing
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icebergs, but they are floating
on the water. And I think of my
own experience with water; it's
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an amazing thing. Water is
required for us to live. We have
to drink water. We have to be
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hydrated. But water is actually
also very powerful, and you talk
about this, you can't really
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separate, you know, you can't
squeeze water and separate water
from water. One time, I did what
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you're not supposed to do: I
drove my car on a road that was
covered in water. And it was
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deeper than I thought it was.
DR. STANDISH: It always is,
isn't it, yes? CHRIS: And the
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water was sucked into the intake
and it actually bent the piston
in my vehicle. And it's an
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amazing thing; this piston is
not, you know, the size of my
pen here. This piston is a huge
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metal object. And when it went
to hit the water, the water was
so powerful that it wouldn't
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give; it's so powerful that the
metal gave way. So let's just
ask the question, what would our
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earth look like - what would
life on earth be like - if there
were no water? DR. STANDISH: I'm
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a biologist. I can't imagine
life without water. It's just
one of those perfect things
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about life, and, well, that life
sort of seems to require to
exist. I mean, we know what
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things are like when water isn't
present because there's nothing
living there. The Atacama Desert
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is one of the driest spots on
earth, if not the driest spot on
earth. When you go there, there
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are no plants, and because there
are no plants, there are no
animals. It is just barren. So
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without water. you know, the
earth does the experiment for
us. We don't really have to
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think about it too hard. No
water, no life. It's fascinating
to me that in the Biblical
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creation account, the very first
thing that the Bible says about
the earth is water. CHRIS: Yes.
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DR. STANDISH: The spirit of God
moved on the face of the water
at the beginning. And then God
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creates life, right? But yeah,
water is the first thing that's
mentioned there. And then if you
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look at the first few days
there, you can see that God is
doing things with water to
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prepare the earth for life. It's
so fundamental. It's one of the
things, actually, that impresses
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me about the Biblical creation
account. It makes so much sense.
You know, imagine if God had
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decided to, I don't know, create
the giraffes first. The giraffes
would have just drowned. The
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earth had to be prepared. There
needed to be an atmosphere.
There needed to be water in the
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right place. Not everywhere. And
yet enough in the places that it
needed to be. God separates the
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waters below from the waters
above them and creates the
atmosphere. That's sort of, you
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know, another step in the right
direction. God separates the
land from the water. And if you
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didn't have that situation, you
would run into all kinds of
interesting things that have to
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do with the properties of water.
If you don't have both land and
water, you probably would have
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huge trouble with any kind of
significant life, let's put it
that way, any kind of, you know,
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organisms like the kind that we
observe around us - dogs, cats,
humans, possibly even big fish.
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CHRIS: Yes. And so maybe that.
and it's an amazing thing,
because we've talked many times
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about this issue of design,
plan, a Designer, a Planner. So
God clearly had a plan, by
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putting. DR. STANDISH: Yeah.
CHRIS: So why or how does water
make abundant life possible? And
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abundant life, by the way, that,
from my understanding as a
person not involved in science,
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but you read, like, for example,
after some of these tsunamis,
we're reading about scientists
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discovering life that we never
knew existed out of the depths
of the water. So how does water
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make abundant life so possible?
DR. STANDISH: You know, if I was
wearing a watch, I'd be looking
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at it and asking how long this
program is. This is something
that we could literally spend
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days talking about. So let's
talk about just one or two
things that people might not be
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familiar with, because yes, it's
just huge. We've already
mentioned that water is
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fantastic for moving nutrients
around and for dissolving
things. So you have to have
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water to move nutrients around
within bodies and also within
the oceans and so on as well.
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But it does a lot more than just
move things. It also is
necessary for the proteins that
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our bodies are made out of to
have the correct shape so that
they can do the jobs that they
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do. They have to be dissolved in
water or they simply don't
function. CHRIS: Okay. DR.
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STANDISH: Now, a lot of people
are familiar with discussions
about something called global
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warming. And they know that this
has something to do with carbon
dioxide and the amount of carbon
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dioxide in the atmosphere, which
is actually a very tiny
proportion of the atmosphere.
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Why is that? Because carbon
dioxide, while we need it in the
atmosphere, if there's too much,
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that's going to be a problem for
us. Carbon dioxide dissolves in
water. And it gets sequestered
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there in the oceans. Now, we're
still struggling to understand
all the dynamics of this. It's a
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very interesting thing. But
there's actually a three-way
relationship, it turns out,
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between land, carbon dioxide in
the atmosphere, and water in the
oceans. And you have to have all
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those three working together to
maintain the right amount of
carbon dioxide in the
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atmosphere. CHRIS: Wow. DR.
STANDISH: And obviously, carbon
dioxide is what plants use to
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make organic molecules that
animals eat. So we wouldn't
exist if the big oceans weren't
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out there holding onto that
carbon dioxide, releasing it
back into the atmosphere, but
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also soaking up carbon dioxide.
And there are other mechanisms
that are involved in this too.
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It's a big, complicated, cool
thing. CHRIS: Fascinating thing,
Dr. Standish, so what you're
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saying is that God had a plan.
DR. STANDISH: Yes. CHRIS: The
vastness of the oceans is
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required to keep. and maybe I'm
not using the right term here.
the equilibrium of actually life
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on this earth. DR. STANDISH Yes.
These big global cycles that
keep. that make life possible
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depend on the fact that our
earth has not just a little bit
of water; it requires huge
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amounts of water, which is what
we have in the oceans
themselves. On the subject of
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the oceans, we talked about
heating and cooling with water a
little bit. One of the great
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things about water is, it soaks
up huge amounts of heat and it
can release huge amounts of
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heat. So what happens is there
are these huge ocean currents
that soak up heat in the
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equatorial regions, and then
take that heat south or north
from the equator and they
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release that heat, making these
really big habitable zones on
the face of the earth. All kinds
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of stuff. Water is a miracle.
CHRIS: And you know, it's a very
interesting thing now. And we
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could spend, as you've said,
volumes of shows talking about
this miracle of water. But as
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I'm thinking about some of the
things you're talking about, the
carrying of nutrients, the
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carrying of heat and cooling,
the, just really, how much water
is. and maybe I'm using too
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strong of a word. is required
for life to even exist, it's
very interesting to me. Jesus is
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called in the Bible "the Water
of life." DR. STANDISH: Yeah.
CHRIS: Now, we could have a
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theological discussion on that.
But why do you think Jesus is
referred to as the Water of
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life? DR. STANDISH: Because life
is not really possible without
Him. Certainly not a full life,
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at least in my experience. Jesus
is the Life-giver. Jesus Christ
is our Creator and our Redeemer.
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So He's the Source of life. And
so water serves as a fabulous
metaphor for the life-giving
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characteristic that Jesus
exhibited. CHRIS: And you know,
it's interesting, Jesus says in
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several places that He came to
give life, but He came to give
life more abundantly. And so
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tying it into this illustration
or metaphor of water, I think of
a garden. You know, you can grow
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a garden, or let's make it very
applicable to our folks here in
Canada. I think of the Okanagan
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valley in British Columbia, a
beautiful place. Soil that has a
lot of nutrients. But they have
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a very distinct problem there.
It's an arid place; it's dry.
And so, if you can bring water
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in, they tell me that you can
grow anything there. And I can
tell you by experience, they
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grow some of the best cherries
that I've ever tasted before.
DR. STANDISH: Ooh, I'll have to
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visit it. CHRIS: Yes, you need
to go and visit some of our
friends there in Kelowna and
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other places there. So when
Jesus talks about Himself being
the water, the Water of life,
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the Life-giver, giving life more
abundantly, it is in the same
way that water. land that is
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nutrient-rich, without water,
nothing will grow. Dr. Standish,
maybe comment a little bit about
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this issue of water and the
spiritual life and Jesus as that
Water. DR. STANDISH: You know,
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when you were talking, I was
thinking about Jesus meeting the
woman at the well. CHRIS: Yes.
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DR. STANDISH: And the offer that
He made to her. He would give
her water that would be a
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fountain of life, springing up
inside her. This offer of water,
the Water of life that Jesus is
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giving, is the offer of eternal
life. I'm thinking about the
ways in which we ourselves
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interact with water. You know,
water cleans us. Without water,
we die. Without Jesus, we will
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die. With Him, we live. Water
cleans us. Jesus cleans us. He
changes us into something
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different than we were. I have a
dog - actually, I have two dogs
- they're different creatures
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after you've given them a bath.
CHRIS: Yes. DR. STANDISH: We are
different creatures when we're
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cleansed in the blood of Jesus
Christ. But remember, blood is
mostly water. CHRIS Yes. And
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I'll tell you, Dr. Standish,
it's hard to believe that we're
out of time, and we could just
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continue this discussion onward.
But a powerful thought. The
water molecule, one of the
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lighter molecules, yet one of
the most powerful molecules that
exists on this earth. And in the
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same way, Jesus, Jesus, Who
lightens our burdens, yet one of
the most powerful things, in
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that He cleanses us and makes us
a new creation. Dr. Standish,
let's pray together. Heavenly
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Father, we thank You so much for
water, and not just the water on
this earth. We thank You for the
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Water of life, Your son Jesus,
Who makes us a new creation. We
thank You, in Jesus' name, amen.
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DR. STANDISH: Amen.
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CHRIS: Dr. Standish, what an
exciting conversation about
water. Now, you've been part of
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a project, producing a film,
Living Waters. Tell us about it.
DR. STANDISH: That's right. I
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was very privileged to be an
associate producer on this
documentary film about dolphins,
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whales, salmon, and turtles,
looking at the design in these
creatures. It's beautiful, it's
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compelling, it's just amazing.
And I encourage anybody who can
to see it. CHRIS: Dear friend,
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if you would like to get a copy
of the film Living Waters, for
any size donation, you will
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receive your own copy. In
addition to that, I'd like to
offer for free a DVD of this
00:28:10.79\00:28:17.76
program that Dr. Standish and I
have done together. Here is the
information that you need to
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receive today's offers.
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CHRIS: Dr. Standish, thank you
so much for joining us today.
DR. STANDISH: Well, thank you
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so much for having me. I look
forward to being with the Living
Water. CHRIS: Absolutely. And
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friend, I want to thank you for
watching. I want to encourage
you to join us again next week
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where we'll discuss more about
Jesus, the Master Designer.
Until then, remember, it is
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written: "Man shall not live by
bread alone, but by every word
that proceeds from the mouth of
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God."
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