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CHRIS: Thank you for joining It
Is Written. You know, we've had
many discussions in the past
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about Biblical origins. We've
discussed some scientific
reasons that the Biblical reason
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of origins is attractive. Now,
if you've missed any of those
shows on origins, you can go to
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our YouTube channel,
www.youtube.com/iiwCanada. But I
will tell you, when you look at
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origins, one of the
often-overlooked areas of
understandings in the issue of
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origins makes an immense
practical difference in our
lives. What is that issue? That
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issue is ethics. To help us in
our discussion about ethics, I
have with me Dr. Tim Standish.
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Dr. Standish, thank you so much
for joining us again. DR.
STANDISH: Oh, I'm glad to be
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back. CHRIS: You know, Dr.
Standish, you are the senior
scientist of the Geoscience
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Research Institute. You hold a
Bachelor's degree in zoology, a
Master's degree in biology, a
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Ph.D. in environmental biology.
And that's a lot of big words.
Maybe in simple, tell us, what
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do you do, Dr. Standish, on a
daily basis? DR. STANDISH: Well,
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by trade, I'm a molecular
geneticist. So I'm very
interested in DNA and the
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information that's encoded into
that DNA and how that
information is retrieved and
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used by the cells in our bodies
- and obviously, the cells that
make up any other organism - to
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actually make that organism.
It's a profound mystery, and
yet, we're finding out little
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things as we go along. And every
time we find out something new,
all of a sudden, we discover
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that things are much more
profound than we'd anticipated.
So it's an exciting area of
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science to work in. CHRIS: Yes.
Now, why is it that you're
working for the Geoscience
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Research Institute? And maybe
tell us a little bit about what
the Geoscience Research
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Institute does. DR. STANDISH:
Well, the Geoscience Research
Institute is a group of scholars
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- we're all Ph.D. scientists -
who are interested in the
relationship between the claims
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of science and what is revealed
in Scripture. Now, most of the
time, there is no disagreement
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between these things. Obviously,
there are some areas where there
are these kind of tensions
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between the current claims of
science and the clear statements
or clear record of Scripture. So
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we're interested in those areas
of tension. What do we do with
them as Christians? What do we
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do with them as scientists? We
kind of straddle that divide.
And yeah, it makes for a very
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interesting area, sometimes a
somewhat controversial area, to
work in. CHRIS: Now, if someone
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was interested in this area and
wanted to do a little more
reading, find some resources,
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where might they go to find more
information about the Geoscience
Research Institute and some of
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the work that you've been doing?
DR. STANDISH: Well, certainly, a
good place to start would be our
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website. And the URL is
GRISDA.org, so Grisda,
G-R-I-S-D-A, dot org.
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CHRIS: Wonderful. Now, you and I
have had a number of discussions
about origins. And people can go
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to our website or to our YouTube
channel and see some of those
discussions that - invigorating
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discussions - that we've had.
One of the issues when we talk
about origins - and I talked
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about that in the intro - that
we have not discussed is the
issue of ethics. So why don't we
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just start real baseline right
there? What is ethics? DR.
STANDISH: Basically, ethics are
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the principles, the system of
morals, that we use to decide
what's right and what's wrong;
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what's righteous and what's
unrighteous. CHRIS: Okay. So
here's, then, the question:
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You're a scientist, I'm a
pastor; why are we having a
discussion about ethics when it
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comes to the issue of origins?
DR. STANDISH: Well, because our
understanding of origins makes a
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huge difference in our
decision-making about what's
right and what's wrong.
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Obviously, one of the
foundational things that you
have to establish if you are
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developing a system of ethics
is, what is a human being?
Because if a human being is,
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let's say, a worthless object,
then killing a human being would
not be a bad thing at all. If a
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human being is an invaluable
creation of God, then, well, you
know, maybe human life has a
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different value to it than, you
know, other ways in which you
can look at it. So there are
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lots of implications just right
there. CHRIS: And I think you've
alluded to it just a
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little bit there, but let's talk
about that. What are the moral
implications of accepting the
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Biblical record of origins? DR.
STANDISH: Number one, the Bible
tells us that everything we see
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is ultimately created by God -
and this is very important -
also sustained by God. God
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sustains His creation. And so
then we have to ask ourselves,
"How should I treat this
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creation? Should I be
comfortable with the idea that
we can go out and destroy the
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environment in which we live?
destroy other organisms for some
short-term expediency for
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myself?" So just in terms of how
we treat the rest of the
creation is a big, big question,
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possibly one that we as
Christians should struggle with
a little bit more. Think about
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it. The Bible is quite amazing.
You know, it gives very specific
instructions about how we should
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treat other animals. It tells us
that God cares about other
creatures. It does not put,
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however, those other creatures
on the same footing as human
beings. The Bible tells us that
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human beings are different. We
have been created in the image
of God. It also tells us that
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there's something special, then,
about the relationship between
men and women. You know, there's
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one unique difference in the
creation of human beings that
you don't see with the other
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organisms. CHRIS: Okay. DR.
STANDISH: God formed Adam out of
the dust. The Bible tells us, in
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Genesis 2, that He formed all
the other creatures out of the
dust. God breathed the breath of
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life into Adam. But if we look,
particularly a few chapters into
the book of Genesis, where it
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starts talking about the flood
and talking about other
creatures with the breath of
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life in them. So well, what is
it that makes Adam different?
CHRIS: Yes, so you've got me
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wondering now. DR. STANDISH:
Well, he's formed in the image
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of God. But think about this:
What about Eve? First of all,
Adam got to observe the other
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creatures and realize his need
for a wife. The other creatures
didn't get that. And then - and
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this is just glorious - God
creates Eve from Adam. Wow.
That's different. Now, you're a
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pastor. I don't know, you know,
I'm a mere biologist. But I
notice these differences. And
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that does have powerful
implications. The relationship
between a man and a woman is not
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the same as the relationship
between a cow and a bull.
There's a difference there. So
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when we start talking about
relationships between human
beings, the creation account
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makes a huge difference. CHRIS:
That is powerful. And so, when
we look at the moral
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implications of understanding
and accepting the Biblical
account of origins, it has more
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than just the implication of an
intellectual ideology, but
rather, it affects, putting it
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simply, how I live, how I treat
others. Because when you and I
are talking, when you and I are
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interacting, you are a creature
created by God. When I interact
with the environment around me -
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this environment, the plants,
the animals - are things created
by a Creator that I ought to
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have an appreciation for. DR.
STANDISH: Oh, yes, yes. And you
know, there's another area that
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I think we can dig into if we
actually get into what I would
consider to be the most popular
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alternative view of things,
which is Darwinian evolution.
You know, it becomes quite stark
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when you start comparing and
contrasting what's going on
there. CHRIS: Yes. And I was
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just going to ask you about
that, because then, the glaring
question is: If I accept
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something outside the Biblical
account of origins, Darwinian
evolution is the most popular.
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Now, maybe just as kind of a
brief, very, very brief
explanation of Darwinian
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evolution - which won't do it
justice, because volumes have
been written - what is Darwinian
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evolution, in its simplest
explanation? DR. STANDISH: At
its core, Darwinian evolution is
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a materialistic theory of
origins. So it's a theory that
says there was no intervention
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from outside of nature when it
came to the production of all of
the organisms that we see today
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CHRIS: And so, kind of standing
in distinction from the Biblical
account: the Biblical account
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gives a plan with a Planner, or
a design with a Designer;
Darwinian evolution, there is no
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plan, there is no design, there
is no planner, there is no
designer; things just happen
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because that's the course of
things happening, in its
simplicity. DR. STANDISH: Yes.
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Now, Charles Darwin himself,
remember, he was a trained
theologian. He was a trained
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pastor. So he actually thought
about these things sometimes
quite deeply and wrote about
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them as well. So he actually
does do a fair amount of
comparing and contrasting
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himself. I've got a quote here
that I want to read to you. This
is Charles Darwin writing, way
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back in 1838. So you'll remember
that he published his theory of
evolution in a book called The
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Origin of Species. That book was
published in 1859. So 21 years
before that, he was writing. And
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he wrote: So Darwin, long, long,
long before, actually, he
started writing The Origin of
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Species, had committed himself
to some kind of evolutionary
idea in which human beings came
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from animals. And by the way,
this was not unique to him at
that particular time. It wasn't
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even unique in his own family.
His grandfather. Erasmus Darwin,
believed the same thing and
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actually wrote about it. He had
apparently a family motto that
said something like, "Everything
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came from shells," which is kind
of interesting. But you know,
Darwin believed we came from
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animals; we were not the
creation of God. So morally,
then, we're the same as the
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other animals. CHRIS: And so,
with that said, then, Dr.
Standish, I mean, what is the
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moral implication and what are
some of the moral implications?
DR. STANDISH: Well, you know,
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I'm a mere biologist, so what I
try to do is I try to go and
read what people who are experts
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in this area say. And I have a
quote here from Peter Singer.
Now, Peter Singer is a very
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eminent ethicist. He's a
Darwinian ethicist. And many
people have heard of him because
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he's been a champion of animal
rights. And that obviously
springs from his kind of system
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of ethics. Human beings are not
necessarily different from
animals. So why would we treat
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humans differently than we treat
animals? So let me read this to
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you. He said, He argues that
animals and humans have the same
moral status. And he is not
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alone in doing that. James
Rachels, another prominent
commentator in this area, wrote:
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So you know, this is not. I
don't want to put words into
these gentlemen's mouths, but
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this is very, very profound,
because if humans are the same
as animals, then either animals
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have all the same rights as
human beings, or human beings
have no special rights at all.
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CHRIS: Yes, and I mean, beyond
that, it would seem that not
only we talk about the operation
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of society - and society is
governed by laws and
regulations, and many of those
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laws and regulations, at least
in the United States and in
Canada, many of those laws and
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regulations actually find their
roots in the Bible - but if
we're saying that, I mean, the
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implications of this are
far-reaching, that not only do
animals and human beings have
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the same rights, so to speak,
but then as human beings, we
really don't need to operate
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within a set of laws or
regulations, because if we're no
different than animals, then we
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should just do as we desire. DR.
STANDISH: That's right. If it's
okay for animals, it must be
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okay for human beings as well.
Now, there are a number of areas
where this has actually come
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into quite stark focus in the
last few years. One of them has
to do with the question of human
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rights. In this system of
thinking, human rights don't
really actually kind of exist,
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because why would we have
different rights than other
organisms? CHRIS: Okay. DR.
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STANDISH: So how do you justify,
then, treating human beings
differently than cows or frogs
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or trees? What is developing is
a system that. it's a
utilitarian way of thinking
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about things. Basically, the
argument is, humans are special
because we have special
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cognitive abilities. We have
special brains, and cows don't.
So cows can't comprehend
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suffering, let's say, in the
same way that human beings can.
Now, we have no real way of
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knowing that, but this is sort
of the way the thinking goes. So
that sounds like it might work.
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But what happens when you turn
that on its ear a little bit?
What happens if you have a human
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being who is mentally impaired
in some way? What these guys
have done is they've separated
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the concept of a human being,
which is reasonably easy to
identify - if it comes out of a
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human mother, it's a human being
- from a concept we call
person-hood or something along
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those lines. A person may have
special rights, but a human does
not. And then the argument goes,
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if a person. when a human is
born, they're a baby. They don't
have the cognitive abilities of
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a 20- or 30- or 50-year-old. So
therefore, they don't have
special rights. And in fact, it
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has been advocated, even in
major - at least, I'm thinking
of one specific example, in a
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major journal of medical ethics
- it's been advocated that it's
okay to kill babies, if they're
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an inconvenience. CHRIS: Wow.
DR. STANDISH: Because they have
no special moral status. They
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have not yet developed into
persons. And of course, the
concept of a person is something
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that is decided by the person
who decides it. There's no kind
of sharp line there. What
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happens when a person develops
Alzheimer's disease? Are they
still a person anymore? Or is it
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okay to dispose of them? These
are questions that are being
seriously asked, reasoning from
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the Darwinian perspective.
CHRIS: Yes, and I just want to
be clear, as maybe a viewer has
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picked up our show in the
middle. We are not advocating
this; we are talking about the
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implications of accepting
Darwinian evolution. And the
ethics of that is that
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essentially, we take human
beings, and human beings are not
special, number one; but number
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two, even within human beings,
we are making the distinction
that someone with cognitive
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abilities is a person, and so
they have special rights, but a
human being by nature doesn't
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have special rights, so someone
that is. DR. STANDISH: There are
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no human rights. CHRIS: There
are no human rights. So someone
that is mentally handicapped in
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some way, someone who is
possibly malformed, someone who
develops Alzheimer's later in
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life, they're not a person, and
because they're not a person
with whatever cognitive
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abilities the individual testing
cognitive abilities says is a
cognitive person, they're not a
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person and have zero rights. DR.
STANDISH: Precisely. Now,
contrast that with the Biblical
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view of things. CHRIS: Yes. DR.
STANDISH: And obviously, we can
talk in sort of abstract terms
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about being created in the image
of God and all of those things,
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but as Christians,
Bible-believing Christians, we
have a huge advantage, because
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the Creator of this world came
down and lived as a human being:
Jesus Christ. So we can look at
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how Jesus valued those who were
considered to be of less value
in the society that He operated
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in. CHRIS: Yeah, I mean, Dr.
Standish, you've got my mind
just. I mean, I think about
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Jesus. I mean, Jesus addresses
the leper; Jesus addresses the
crippled man; Jesus addresses a
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woman who has an issue of blood.
And then even beyond that, Jesus
addresses someone who's dead.
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And so the implications of that
are far-reaching. DR. STANDISH:
Oh, yes. The demoniacs. Think
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about that. Jesus went across
the Sea of Galilee to meet men
who had lost their minds, and He
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restored them. Here's another
one. And this really touches my
heart. Jesus, when people
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brought their children to Him,
how did His disciples react?
They didn't think that the
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children were worthy. CHRIS:
That's right. DR. STANDISH:
Because they, for better or for
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worse, were thinking along
similar lines. But Jesus said,
you know, "Suffer the little
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children. Come unto me." He
didn't say, "Well, when they're
old enough and they have the
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cognitive abilities that make
them persons, then I will take
care of them." He, you know, was
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there and ready to bless them
and value them. The Bible, both
the Old and New Testaments,
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constantly call on the followers
of the created God to, you know,
help the needy, take care of the
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vulnerable, and so on, not to
devalue them or make some
judgement about whether they're
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persons and therefore they have
value and rights versus, you
know, being human, which doesn't
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intrinsically have any rights.
It's 100% in one direction:
they're of infinite value. Jesus
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Christ died for all human
beings. CHRIS: You know, Dr.
Standish, it's hard to believe
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that we are out of time. But
what a profound not just
thought, but reality: to accept
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an account of origins outside
the Biblical account of origins
has far-reaching effect, because
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outside of it, there is no value
to a human being, but within it,
we value all human beings, which
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is why we should feed the
hungry, why we should reach out
to the poor, why we should treat
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one another with respect, even
when we disagree. Because, as
you pointed out, in God's eyes,
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every last one of us is of
infinite value in His eyes, such
an infinite value, that He
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actually came to this earth to
die for us to make us a new
creation. DR. STANDISH: Wow.
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CHRIS: Amazing. Dr. Standish,
let's pray together. Lord, we
are so thankful that You made
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us, and because You made us, we
are infinite in value in Your
eyes. We thank You so much, in
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Jesus' name, amen.
DR. STANDISH: Amen.
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CHRIS: Dear friends, what a
profound thought: the Master
Designer, Jesus Christ, crafted
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and made you with infinite
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CHRIS: Dr. Standish, I want to
thank you so much for this
profound discussion on ethics.
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DR. STANDISH: You know, the
bottom line is, in the Biblical
view of things, humans are of
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infinite value; in the Darwinian
view, they are of questionable
value. CHRIS: You know, dear
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friends, I want to thank you so
much for watching. And if you
want to continue to learn more
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about this God Who places
infinite value on you, join us
again next week. Until then,
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remember, it is written: "Man
shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds
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from the mouth of God."
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