#
00:00:09.54\00:00:10.94
>>Announcer: It has
stood the test of time.
00:00:11.71\00:00:14.34
God's book, The Bible
00:00:14.74\00:00:17.55
Still relevant in
today's complex world
00:00:18.58\00:00:22.02
It Is Written
00:00:24.59\00:00:25.69
Sharing messages of
hope around the world!
00:00:26.39\00:00:29.89
CHRIS: The great questions of
life - philosophy, science -
many have asked the question,
00:00:38.60\00:00:46.74
"How old are we?" Not when we
were born in a hospital, but
really, what is the origin of
00:00:46.84\00:00:54.28
all things? I am thrilled to
have with me in studio Dr. Tim
Standish. Dr. Standish is a
00:00:54.38\00:01:02.32
friend of mine and he is a
friend of the show. Dr.
Standish, I want to welcome you
00:01:02.42\00:01:07.40
again to It Is Written to have a
discussion on origins. DR.
STANDISH: Well, thank you, it's
00:01:07.50\00:01:12.97
great to be back. CHRIS: Now,
Dr. Standish, for those who are
watching maybe for the first
00:01:13.07\00:01:17.97
time and not familiar with who
you are, you are a senior
scientist with the Geoscience
00:01:18.07\00:01:24.05
Research Institute. You have a
B.S. in zoology and a Master's
in biology. Then you have a
00:01:24.15\00:01:34.06
Ph.D. in environmental biology
and public policy from George
Mason University down in
00:01:34.16\00:01:40.40
Virginia in the States. DR.
STANDISH: That's correct, yeah.
CHRIS: And that's a lot and a
00:01:40.50\00:01:44.43
big mouthful. But maybe just as
a bit of a review, what is it
that the Geoscience Research
00:01:44.53\00:01:51.01
Institute has dedicated itself
to? What is the mission and what
are you doing with the
00:01:51.11\00:01:57.61
Geoscience Research Institute?
DR. STANDISH: Well, the mission
of the Geoscience Research
00:01:57.71\00:02:01.12
Institute is to seek out
understandings that make sense
of the Bible and science. Now,
00:02:01.22\00:02:11.53
most of the time, if you look at
most things, the Bible and
science are not necessarily in
00:02:11.63\00:02:16.06
conflict with one another. Clear
statements of scripture really
don't conflict with what science
00:02:16.16\00:02:24.51
has discovered. Occasionally,
you find things that are
remarkable congruences,
00:02:24.61\00:02:31.75
particularly in archaeology.
However, there are also some
areas, a surprisingly small
00:02:31.85\00:02:37.85
number of areas, where there's
some tension between the way
that scientists, at least
00:02:37.95\00:02:44.49
traditionally, have been
interpreting the data from
nature, and the clear claims
00:02:44.59\00:02:53.20
that are made in Scripture. So
where that tension exists is
really where we are interested.
00:02:53.30\00:02:59.31
There's something interesting
going on there, and what do we
do with it? We're all
00:02:59.41\00:03:04.75
Christians. We're also all Ph.D.
scientists who remain active in
our disciplines. So we sometimes
00:03:04.85\00:03:15.42
struggle with this. Sometimes we
think we come up with good
answers, sometimes we have to
00:03:15.52\00:03:21.46
say, "You know what? We don't
have answers yet. We live by
faith, as all Christians do."
00:03:21.56\00:03:26.13
CHRIS: Yes, yes. Any exciting
project that you're working on
right now? DR. STANDISH: Well, I
00:03:26.23\00:03:31.41
mean, a number of things that
I've been working on. Probably
the thing that I'm most excited
00:03:31.51\00:03:34.68
about is a paper that one of the
graduate students I worked with
published as a senior author -
00:03:34.78\00:03:40.32
obviously, I'm on it - that
deals with something that seems
very obscure, I know, but it's
00:03:40.42\00:03:46.96
the mating habits of a certain
kind of sea turtle that's
endangered. This particular one
00:03:47.06\00:03:55.96
isn't super endangered, but we
study a species that is not in
critical danger, and see if we
00:03:56.06\00:04:03.81
can't find out things there that
then we can apply with those
that are more threatened. And we
00:04:03.91\00:04:10.75
were able to use molecular
genetics as a way of figuring
out some very interesting things
00:04:10.85\00:04:18.32
about the mating habits of these
sea turtles. CHRIS: Wow, that is
very, very fascinating. You
00:04:18.42\00:04:24.29
know, Dr. Standish, as a
scientist, you've made a
decision, and that is, your
00:04:24.39\00:04:31.50
decision is that you believe
there is a divine force, God,
who has caused creation. DR.
00:04:31.60\00:04:41.11
STANDISH: Yes. CHRIS: And this
is a big question that could
take long hours for us to go
00:04:41.21\00:04:49.98
through. But fundamentally, why
is it that you have come to that
conclusion, which is vastly
00:04:50.09\00:04:53.82
different than a great deal of
the scientific community? DR.
STANDISH: Well, my first
00:04:53.92\00:04:58.93
question back was going to be,
"How long is this show?" There
are several reasons that I would
00:04:59.03\00:05:05.20
draw to your attention. First of
all, of all of the accounts of
origins, to me as a scientist,
00:05:05.30\00:05:16.38
the one that makes the most
sense is the Biblical account of
origins. That doesn't mean that
00:05:16.48\00:05:23.99
I don't recognize that there are
some tensions in there. There
are some difficulties. And I
00:05:24.09\00:05:30.03
don't have all of the answers.
But, the tensions with other
views of how things have worked
00:05:30.13\00:05:39.73
out are so much greater, that I
have faith that the tensions
that exist there between the
00:05:39.83\00:05:47.01
claims of scripture in terms of
origins, the relatively small
number of issues offer greater
00:05:47.11\00:05:56.32
hope of resolution to me than
the massive problems that I see,
particularly with Darwinism, but
00:05:56.42\00:06:03.46
also, belief systems like
theistic evolution and so on.
You know, we don't have all the
00:06:03.56\00:06:14.14
answers on these things, which
is what makes them interesting.
Sometimes I speak at churches
00:06:14.24\00:06:19.64
and I meet people who do have
all the answers, and they must
live boring, sad lives. We don't
00:06:19.74\00:06:26.35
have all the answers. But I go
with the Bible because it makes
rational sense and because it
00:06:26.45\00:06:35.19
does line up with the data very
well. Of course, that's
obviously. there's still a step
00:06:35.29\00:06:41.46
of faith there. CHRIS: Yes. DR.
STANDISH: One other reason is
that the Bible gives hope. It
00:06:41.56\00:06:49.17
gives us hope for the future,
the new creation. It also gives
us hope in the moment as well.
00:06:49.27\00:07:02.15
There is a creator God. He does
love us. He is wise. He cares
about us. And I believe that He
00:07:02.25\00:07:12.06
is active in the lives of human
beings and in His creation.
CHRIS: And so from your
00:07:12.16\00:07:17.23
observation, you've come to this
conclusion that the Biblical
model is the best model. And so
00:07:17.33\00:07:24.31
here's the question that I have
for you. You know, when you look
out in the world, when you read,
00:07:24.41\00:07:28.74
there are many people that talk
about, write about origins. And
for a lack of a better word, the
00:07:28.84\00:07:35.35
seeming go-to model is an
evolutionary model that takes
millions of years to produce
00:07:35.45\00:07:42.59
complex organisms, and then
eventually, human beings. Why do
you have a problem with that?
00:07:42.69\00:07:49.63
DR. STANDISH: My primary problem
is that ultimately, I don't see
it as being a scientific
00:07:49.73\00:07:56.30
undertaking. There are a number
of reasons, again, for that.
Number one, we see this kind of
00:07:56.40\00:08:04.01
theory from long before the
emergence of modern science. So
for example, if you go back to
00:08:04.11\00:08:10.95
the Roman writer, Titus
Lucretius Carus, he actually
lays out a theory of evolution
00:08:11.05\00:08:20.10
in which the atoms move around
randomly without any guidance
from the gods, and through
00:08:20.20\00:08:26.97
unguided interactions, they form
the earth, the sea, the sky, and
the generation of living
00:08:27.07\00:08:34.61
creatures. I'm paraphrasing him
in English; he wrote in Latin.
And he died about 55 B.C. So
00:08:34.71\00:08:43.12
before the time of Christ, these
ideas were around. They didn't
have the methods of trying to
00:08:43.22\00:08:50.29
date things that we have today.
But another thing that really
bothers me as a scientist is
00:08:50.39\00:08:59.37
that everything, all the really
heavy lifting, is put way back
in the past where it's
00:08:59.47\00:09:06.44
unobservable and untestable. So
a lot of what is postulated to
have happened is philosophically
00:09:06.54\00:09:18.25
necessary, given the
presuppositions that are being
started with. But they are not
00:09:18.35\00:09:27.10
evidence-based things. Now,
there is some evidence out there
that can be well interpreted
00:09:27.20\00:09:35.54
within that Darwinian model. So
we don't want to pretend that
that's not the case. However, I
00:09:35.64\00:09:42.51
believe that the majority of the
evidence is not well interpreted
within that model, and is far
00:09:42.61\00:09:50.39
better interpreted within the
view that is presented in
scripture. CHRIS: Okay. Now, I
00:09:50.49\00:09:59.39
need to kind of put my mind
around this. You know, when I
grew up, I grew up in school
00:09:59.49\00:10:03.80
being taught that this model of
millions and sometimes in
conversation even of billions of
00:10:03.90\00:10:12.11
years, and the catchphrase for
this model is "survival of the
fittest." I grew up learning
00:10:12.21\00:10:20.45
that. So tell me, I mean, what's
the problem? You don't see
survival of the fittest? I'm
00:10:20.55\00:10:26.99
pulling from your comments. Why
aren't you seeing survival of
the fittest? DR. STANDISH: Well,
00:10:27.09\00:10:33.40
let me rephrase that slightly.
Charles Darwin came up with a
theory of evolution based on the
00:10:33.50\00:10:41.84
idea of natural selection. Now,
natural selection was kind of
paraphrased as "survival of the
00:10:41.94\00:10:50.48
fittest," okay? And this is a
term that's commonly used. And
it does capture some of the
00:10:50.58\00:10:56.79
meaning of it. The idea is that
certain individuals produce
offspring, and others don't. And
00:10:56.89\00:11:08.06
that is not a purely random
thing. The ones that produce
more offspring have something
00:11:08.16\00:11:16.44
about them that can be inherited
that is passed onto their
offspring that somehow causes
00:11:16.54\00:11:25.68
them to make more babies. CHRIS:
Yes. DR. STANDISH: So he who has
the most babies wins, in
00:11:25.78\00:11:32.05
this model. It can be really
boiled down to that. And
obviously, there is some truth
00:11:32.15\00:11:39.59
to natural selection. The
question is, does natural
selection really explain what we
00:11:39.69\00:11:47.90
see in the world today? What
Charles Darwin said was that you
started out with one organism,
00:11:48.00\00:11:57.95
and it developed variations, and
certain variations were
superior, or you know, were
00:11:58.05\00:12:04.29
selected above others. And as
these different organisms sort
of split apart, you slowly got
00:12:04.39\00:12:11.26
many, many, many different kinds
of organisms. A pattern, by the
way, that is almost the opposite
00:12:11.36\00:12:17.57
of what you see in the fossil
record. But we can talk about
that later. That's a big topic.
00:12:17.67\00:12:25.51
CHRIS: We're going to have a
couple of shows on the fossil
record. DR. STANDISH: However,
00:12:25.61\00:12:29.18
in this view, you have organisms
that are competing with one
another for survival all the
00:12:29.28\00:12:38.35
time. And everything is in a
struggle to the death. And the
most closely-related things are
00:12:38.45\00:12:47.66
in the most intense struggle to
the death with one another,
because you know, you are a
00:12:47.76\00:12:55.20
human being, and I'm a human
being, so we eat the same kind
of food, and in this Darwinian
00:12:55.30\00:13:02.58
view, there's only so much of
that food, so we have to fight
over it to see who gets it, and
00:13:02.68\00:13:07.18
whoever wins gets to eat and
gets to breed. CHRIS: Okay. And
so this phrase, "survival of the
00:13:07.28\00:13:14.66
fittest," the more proper term
in the evolutionary model is
"natural selection." Now, you
00:13:14.76\00:13:20.36
said something, and I want to
spend just a moment kind of
digressing just a little bit.
00:13:20.46\00:13:25.50
You said there are certain
instances where natural
selection is happening. We can
00:13:25.60\00:13:31.11
observe this? DR. STANDISH:
Well, yes. Babies that are
stillborn don't get to have
00:13:31.21\00:13:37.65
more babies. So if there's some
genetic reason that, you know, a
child is dying before it reaches
00:13:37.75\00:13:51.03
the age that it can reproduce,
obviously, that's natural
selection at work. What natural
00:13:51.13\00:13:57.67
selection seems to do in nature
is kind of keep things the same.
It stops wild variations that
00:13:57.77\00:14:06.68
are lethal to that particular
species of organism. CHRIS: And
you just said something now
00:14:06.78\00:14:13.78
that's got my mind kind of
exploding with questions. You
said natural selection actually
00:14:13.88\00:14:18.99
narrows things. DR. STANDISH:
Well, it keeps things stable.
CHRIS: Keeps things
00:14:19.09\00:14:24.29
stable. However, when we have
this natural selection keeping
things stable, it seems, in
00:14:24.39\00:14:38.71
evolutionary explanations, that
natural selection is actually
used to explain the development
00:14:38.81\00:14:43.21
of organisms into another
organism. DR. STANDISH: There
are really two parts of Charles
00:14:43.31\00:14:49.65
Darwin's theory of evolution
that you have to understand to
understand how this all works
00:14:49.75\00:14:54.79
together. You start out with
variation. If you look at
organisms like you and me, we're
00:14:54.89\00:15:02.20
a bit different. We're both very
handsome, but a little bit
different. And so that variation
00:15:02.30\00:15:09.24
is then acted on by natural
selection. Now, most of the
time, what natural selection
00:15:09.34\00:15:17.35
seems to do, what it's been
observed to do, is kind of keep
things the same. It stops these
00:15:17.45\00:15:24.72
wild variations. According to
Darwin's theory, occasionally,
there's a variation that makes
00:15:24.82\00:15:31.83
you have more babies. And
whatever that variation is, it
could be, you know, having a
00:15:31.93\00:15:40.47
larger nose, or having blond
hair and blue eyes, I don't know
what sort of things make human
00:15:40.57\00:15:45.87
beings have more babies, but
something genetic makes you have
more babies, and then that's
00:15:45.97\00:15:54.42
passed on, and natural selection
kind of then moves towards that
new kind of standard. So the
00:15:54.52\00:16:03.06
idea is that natural selection
can sort of move an organism in
a certain direction, even though
00:16:03.16\00:16:10.37
there's no goal in mind. It's
just a matter of a certain
variation making more babies. So
00:16:10.47\00:16:19.11
that's how it's supposed to
work, at least. CHRIS: And why
do you think that that's not how
00:16:19.21\00:16:25.58
it works? And when you observe
nature, you're coming to a
different conclusion than
00:16:25.68\00:16:30.52
Darwinian evolution. DR.
STANDISH: Well, certainly from a
scientific perspective, it just
00:16:30.62\00:16:35.36
doesn't look like it works.
First of all, when we try doing
selection on organisms, so dogs,
00:16:35.46\00:16:44.90
for example, what we find is
that we can get amazing
variability in dogs. You've got
00:16:45.00\00:16:51.64
little Chihuahuas and big Great
Danes and so you've got this
incredible variety in dogs.
00:16:51.74\00:17:00.88
However, you don't have
elephant-sized dogs, and you
don't have dogs turning into
00:17:00.98\00:17:07.22
watermelons or something like
that. There's a limit on the
variability. And once you hit
00:17:07.32\00:17:14.60
that limit, you just don't seem
to be able to go beyond it.
CHRIS: That's very interesting,
00:17:14.73\00:17:20.10
and I spent a few years learning
about growing apples. And I knew
a man in Wisconsin who had an
00:17:20.20\00:17:27.74
orchard. He grew 450 varieties
of apples. And it was a
fascinating thing. He had apples
00:17:27.84\00:17:33.18
called Coconut Crunch, which had
the crunch of a coconut, but at
the end of the day, it was still
00:17:33.28\00:17:37.49
an apple. He had another apple
called Hawaii that had a little
tinge of pineapple flavour to
00:17:37.59\00:17:43.06
it. However, it wasn't a
pineapple, it was still an
apple. So what you're saying is,
00:17:43.16\00:17:47.03
when we observe, we see variety,
but there's a limit to that
variety. You don't have a dog
00:17:47.13\00:17:53.54
becoming an elephant. DR.
STANDISH: It just doesn't work
that way. It's certainly not
00:17:53.64\00:17:59.87
something that we've observed.
Now, I sometimes use roses as an
example. You can have red roses,
00:18:00.04\00:18:08.08
you can have yellow roses, you
can have white roses, and you
can have all sorts of variations
00:18:08.18\00:18:14.12
in between, because roses have
the genetic potential to make
those different colours in
00:18:14.22\00:18:20.83
there. So a pink rose has just a
smaller amount of the red
pigment produced. Amazing
00:18:20.93\00:18:26.87
variety within roses. But you
don't have blue roses, genuinely
blue roses. CHRIS: Yes, right,
00:18:26.97\00:18:35.98
right. DR. STANDISH: Now, I've
actually tried to make blue
roses. I actually grew something
00:18:36.08\00:18:42.68
called a blue rose. It was a
very sick kind of rose, not a
happy rose, and it certainly was
00:18:42.78\00:18:49.72
not blue. Not blue like our
shirts. The way you make a blue
rose is by either using
00:18:49.82\00:18:56.40
Photoshop to photograph it and
then turn it blue, or perhaps,
you know, dyeing it blue in some
00:18:56.50\00:19:03.54
way, or, you can take a gene for
making a blue pigment from
another flower and put it into a
00:19:03.64\00:19:12.38
rose, and you can actually do
that. That's engineering. It's
guided. It's intelligent design.
00:19:12.48\00:19:19.25
So we know that ultimately,
variability like this, the kind
of sort of big jumps in
00:19:19.35\00:19:27.60
variability that you've got to
have if you're going to evolve a
rose into, let's say, an iris or
00:19:27.66\00:19:35.57
something, that those don't
happen when we do artificial
selection; why would we expect
00:19:35.67\00:19:41.44
that they happen when you do
natural selection, for which
there is no guide? CHRIS: No,
00:19:41.54\00:19:46.65
no. So when we look at it, maybe
a word that we could use is,
there's harmony rather than this
00:19:46.75\00:19:54.42
fighting for survival. What do
you see there? DR. STANDISH:
Well, there is amazing
00:19:54.52\00:20:02.46
harmony in nature. And frankly,
the idea of survival of the
fittest, in my opinion, is quite
00:20:02.56\00:20:09.20
a corrosive view of nature.
Biology is not in a constant
state of war. You know, we're
00:20:09.30\00:20:19.28
not in a gigantic competition
for mates and food with each
other. We have a good, friendly,
00:20:19.38\00:20:28.06
cooperative relationship. But if
you look at nature in general,
that's the way it works, and in
00:20:28.16\00:20:33.19
fact, that's the way it has to
work. Think about bees and
flowers. They are not in a
00:20:33.29\00:20:39.93
competition with one another for
survival; they're cooperating
with one another. The flower is
00:20:40.04\00:20:46.71
producing pollen that it wants
the bee to carry for it to
another flower, and it is also
00:20:46.81\00:20:54.88
producing nectar that then feeds
the bee and rewards the bee for
doing it. So everybody comes out
00:20:54.98\00:21:02.32
on top. Another example would be
the fungus that grows in
association with the roots of
00:21:02.42\00:21:10.00
plants. CHRIS: Mmhmm. DR.
STANDISH: This is an amazing,
amazing relationship that's
00:21:10.10\00:21:16.97
there. They're not at war with
each other at all. The plant
supplies sugar, the fungus
00:21:17.07\00:21:22.04
supplies minerals, it increases
the surface area of the roots,
it can absorb more water. And by
00:21:22.14\00:21:31.02
the way, it's also been found
that plants can signal using the
fungus between one plant and
00:21:31.12\00:21:36.46
another. This is remarkable.
Human beings ourselves. You
know, there are more non-human
00:21:36.56\00:21:44.73
cells in a human body than there
are human cells. Now, that's
because, to a large degree,
00:21:44.83\00:21:52.87
bacterial cells are much smaller
than the average human cell. But
in our gut, we have all kinds of
00:21:52.97\00:22:00.52
different bacteria that live in
there and help us. Without those
bacteria, we probably couldn't
00:22:00.62\00:22:07.92
survive. So we have a beautiful
cooperative, interdependent
relationship with all of these
00:22:08.02\00:22:16.10
organisms that live on us and in
us, and without them, we can
become very ill. CHRIS: And
00:22:16.20\00:22:23.10
without that cooperation, and a
model that requires warring for
survival, in fact, it would seem
00:22:23.20\00:22:31.81
to do almost the opposite, in
that you would have nothing
survive because you would not
00:22:31.91\00:22:36.89
have this interdependence. DR.
STANDISH: "A kingdom divided
against itself cannot stand," to
00:22:36.99\00:22:41.82
quote Jesus Christ Himself. Yes,
if all of nature was at war with
everything else, life could not
00:22:41.92\00:22:52.80
exist, or at least, it certainly
doesn't look as if life could
exist. And irrespective of
00:22:52.90\00:22:59.31
whether it could exist or not,
what we actually observe in
nature is, the vast majority of
00:22:59.41\00:23:06.25
the time, amazing cooperation
and not some kind of fight to
the death for survival.
00:23:06.35\00:23:14.02
CHRIS: And so, having said that,
and I'll use this word "harmony"
again, this harmony and
00:23:14.12\00:23:21.50
interdependence, as a scientist,
as a zoologist, a biologist, an
environmental biologist, and as
00:23:21.60\00:23:30.84
you observe nature, and we've
given several examples - roses,
bacteria - what does this all
00:23:30.94\00:23:38.55
point to for you? DR. STANDISH:
To me, it points towards a plan.
00:23:38.65\00:23:44.22
Imagine a factory, let's say. If
you're going to produce
something in a factory, there
00:23:44.32\00:23:52.09
has to be a plan, and all sorts
of different systems have to
come together and work together
00:23:52.19\00:23:57.00
in a cooperative way. We know
that that's how things work.
When we look at nature, we see
00:23:57.10\00:24:04.21
something vastly more beautiful
than a factory or anything that
a human being has made. Why
00:24:04.31\00:24:13.11
would we interpret it
differently than we do something
as ugly as a factory? Nothing
00:24:13.21\00:24:21.22
against factories, of course.
CHRIS: No, no, sure, sure. DR.
STANDISH: But they do illustrate
00:24:21.32\00:24:24.13
an important point. Nature
requires a plan to work, a plan
for that cooperation. And
00:24:24.23\00:24:34.87
without a plan, there would be
nothing. CHRIS: And I don't want
make too big of a jump, Dr.
00:24:34.97\00:24:43.75
Standish, but if there's a plan,
it would seem to me to indicate
that there is a planner. DR.
00:24:43.85\00:24:51.85
STANDISH: That's right. Somebody
designed a plan. CHRIS: . that
generates the plan. DR.
00:24:51.95\00:24:55.09
STANDISH: Yes. CHRIS: And as you
observe, and as you ask this
question, and as you see,
00:24:55.19\00:25:00.86
there's design, there's a plan,
which must mean there's a
designer or a planner.
00:25:00.96\00:25:07.07
Ultimately, in your mind, who is
that planner or that designer?
DR. STANDISH: Well, that is
00:25:07.17\00:25:14.34
Jesus Christ. And probably the
most amazing thing about history
to me is, it's indisputable that
00:25:14.44\00:25:25.75
Jesus Christ existed. Jesus
Christ came down, became part of
His creation, and demonstrated
00:25:25.85\00:25:35.26
His power over the creation. And
this is a matter of historical
record. It's not fanciful
00:25:35.36\00:25:42.24
stories; it's an actual
historical record that we have
of this occurring. To go with
00:25:42.34\00:25:50.31
any other idea is simply a
denial of history. So I'm very
pleased to not deny history and
00:25:50.41\00:26:01.49
to accept a view that it makes
sense and is beautiful. CHRIS:
And so Dr. Standish, we
00:26:01.59\00:26:09.06
are unfortunately out of time
once again. But what a beautiful
thing. Nature demonstrates there
00:26:09.16\00:26:17.64
is a plan, and a plan requires
a planner, and that planner is
00:26:17.74\00:26:24.28
Jesus Christ. DR. STANDISH:
Amen. CHRIS: Let's pray. Lord,
we thank You that there is a
00:26:24.38\00:26:30.49
plan, that You are that planner,
and that You have a plan for
each and every one of us. We
00:26:30.59\00:26:38.26
thank You so much.
In Jesus' name, amen.
00:26:38.36\00:26:40.63
#
00:26:44.37\00:26:45.57
My dear friends, what a
phenomenal thing it is to know
that there's a plan, and behind
00:26:47.30\00:26:54.54
that plan, there is a planner,
and that planner is God, and He
has a plan for your life. Today,
00:26:54.64\00:27:00.75
I'd like to offer you to the
book Beyond Imagination, a book
by Dr. James Gibson, the
00:27:00.85\00:27:06.05
director of the Geoscience
Research Institute. In addition
to that, maybe you want to learn
00:27:06.15\00:27:12.63
more about how to enter into a
relationship with that planner
Jesus Christ. I'd like to also
00:27:12.73\00:27:22.04
offer to you the "Discover
Bible" lessons which will take
you on a journey of discovering
00:27:22.14\00:27:27.01
a relationship with Him. Here's
the information you need to
receive today's offers.
00:27:27.11\00:27:32.61
#
00:28:14.66\00:28:15.49
CHRIS: Dr. Standish, thank you
so much for being with us today.
DR. STANDISH: Well, thanks so
00:28:16.62\00:28:20.03
much for having me. CHRIS: Dear
friend, I want to invite you to
join us again next week as Dr.
00:28:20.13\00:28:25.53
Standish and I continue our
discussion on origins. Until
then, remember, it is written:
00:28:25.63\00:28:33.01
"Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word that
proceeds from the mouth of God."
00:28:33.11\00:28:39.58
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
00:28:40.65\00:28:40.68