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CHRIS: Religious freedom. How
can we all be so different, yet
get along? It is the
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foundational principle for any
society around the world. Today
joining me in the studio to
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discuss the issue of religious
freedom is Barry Bussey. Barry,
welcome to It Is Written.
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BARRY: Great to be here, Chris,
for sure. CHRIS: You know,
Barry, I always want to call you
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Dr. Bussey. You have a number of
degrees. You have an
undergraduate degree in
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theology; three master's
degrees: constitutional law,
political science, and peace and
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conflict studies; and in fact,
you're actually currently
studying for a doctoral degree
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at this time. BARRY: Mmhmm.
CHRIS: You are currently the
director of legal affairs with
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the Canadian Council of
Christian Charities doing some
exciting work. Now, Barry, if
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people wanted to learn about the
exciting work you're doing on
the fronts of religious freedom,
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where can they find out more
information? BARRY: Well, just
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go to my blog at
LawAndReligion.org, and that
will take you right in there.
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CHRIS: Now, on top of all of
that, what makes you so special,
Barry, is that you are a native
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Newfoundlander. BARRY: Yes, I'm
from the Rock. CHRIS: Yes, love
the Rock. I'm going to be doing
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some lectures there in the fall.
Wonderful people, wonderful
place. Both my wife and I enjoy
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it immensely. Now, Barry,
getting to the issue of
religious freedom. BARRY: Mmhmm.
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CHRIS: You recently wrote an
article in the National Post
that was featured about the
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issue of religious freedom.
BARRY: Mmhmm. CHRIS: So let's
talk about this article a little
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bit. What were you dealing with
in this article? Why were you
dealing with it? BARRY: Okay.
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Currently, what's going on right
now with the change in
government, the government is
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looking at all the various
policies of the previous
government and see whether or
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not it's something it wants to
continue or change, and so
forth. And one of those happens
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to deal with the Office of
Religious Freedom, which was
started by the Harper government
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back some years ago. And Dr.
Andrew Bennett is our ambassador
for religious freedom and has
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been going around the world just
highlighting the importance of
religious freedom for those
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countries and those areas where
religious persecution is a major
issue. What is interesting - and
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I should point out that
religious freedom. Dr. Brian
Grim down in Maryland has
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studied the economic effects,
for example, on religious
freedom, and he's found that
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countries where there's a lot of
religious freedom, there's
actually a very prominent.
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economy is going well, a lot
more freedom in other areas.
CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: And so Dr.
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Bennett has been going around
the world representing Canada,
and I think admirably. In fact,
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even Prime Minister Trudeau has
mentioned how great the work has
been accomplished by Dr.
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Bennett. And so currently,
there's this discussion as to
whether this Office of Religious
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Freedom will continue. There's a
big debate. Dr. Bennett refers
to the issue of religious
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freedom as kind of a blind spot
in diplomatic relations. And
it's been something that
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scholars have been picking up on
in many ways. What happens is,
is that there's some folk who
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are of the view that religion
doesn't really matter when
you're dealing with
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international affairs. However,
as I pointed out in that article
- and I encourage your viewers
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to look it up and you can look
it up through my blog as well -
is that religion has always been
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an issue of international
relations, even though many
people tend to ignore it. I gave
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a quote in there - two quotes -
from two different people, one
from John Kerry. John Kerry said
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that if he were to go back to
college today, he would take
religious studies, because so
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much of his work as Secretary of
State deals with religious
issues, different religious
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groups not getting along and so
forth. And he feels in his own
self a lack of understanding,
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that would be very helpful in
his diplomatic work. Jimmy
Carter, when he was involved in
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the peace negotiations between
Egypt and Israel back in the
late '70s, 1978, he found that.
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he said that. in a book recently
called Religion: The Missing
Dimension of Statecraft, he
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wrote in there that if he did
not be sensitive. if he was not
sensitive to the issue of
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religion - because both Menachem
Begin and Anwar Sadat - Sadat of
Egypt, Begin of Israel - if he
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was not sensitive to the fact of
their own. these men and their
religious sensibilities, he
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doubts very much he would have
been all that successful in
arriving at this peace treaty.
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So religion is extremely
important. And a lot of people
look at it and say, "Well, you
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know, it's a waste of money."
Well, no, it's not a waste of
money. The reality is, there is
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serious persecution going on
around the world because of
religion. I mean, we look at all
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of the various fights going
on in the Middle East right now,
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religiously-motivated. And so
and a lot of it is we need to
understand. We need to actually.
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you know, the saying has always
been, you know, "You need to
walk in the moccasins of
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somebody for a couple of weeks
to be able to understand their
position." CHRIS: Yes. BARRY:
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And in many ways, we need to do
that on an international level
to understand what's happening
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so we can learn to get along.
And that's what's extremely
important. We're on this one
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piece of real estate we call
Earth. There's a lot of
opposition amongst a lot of
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different groups. And what ends
up happening is, is that people
- and those of us here in the
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West who we think we've got
everything figured out, and when
we go over to those countries,
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we try to say, "Okay, well, we.
you need to accept, you know,
democracy, and you need to
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accept all of these things,"
well, if you're not speaking to
these people in a language that
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they understand, all of your
discussion about all of your
various freedoms and your human
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rights and all of these things
may be very formed to their
understanding, and you need to
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be speaking in a language that
they can comprehend. And so I
think that's extremely important
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and why I think it's important
to have the Office of Religious
Freedom. It's done great work.
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Everyone admits it's done great
work. And I think it ought to
continue. CHRIS: And you know,
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one of the things that's
interesting, I read that article
and then I read. sometimes you
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learn a lot by reading the
comments that people made.
BARRY: Mmhmm. CHRIS: And there
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was one individual that was
particularly critical of the
article, talking about that this
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was simply an office for the
spreading of Christianity. But
the Office of Religious Freedom
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is about all religious peoples,
all religious groups, and the
protection of those groups. Is
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that correct? BARRY: Oh,
absolutely, absolutely. In fact,
the Office goes to great pains
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to ensure that, look, this is
not simply an issue of. or an
office for spreading of
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Christianity. But you see, this
is part of the problem. That
tells me as well that there's a
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lack of understanding of our own
history, because if you look
back at the history of the West,
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the West has been founded in a
big way as a result of the
religious struggles that
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occurred at the time of the
Reformation. And it was. it has
been a profound development in
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the history of mankind on this
earth to allow. to have this
society where you could have
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many different religious groups
and still have civil peace. The
democratic project is one that
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has been fundamentally affected
by the concept of religious
freedom. Former Chief Justice
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Brian Dickson, in the Supreme
Court of Canada decision Big M
Drug Mart makes the statement
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that religious freedom - or
words to this effect - that it
is a. in many ways, he says, a
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prototypical right by that it's
the idea that it was the
forerunner to other rights.
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Because when you think about it,
when you allow religious
freedom, you allow freedom of
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speech. You allow individuals to
be able to speak ideas that
someone else may not agree with.
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CHRIS: Absolutely. BARRY: But
you give them the right. You
know, Voltaire, who certainly
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was not a religious individual.
CHRIS: No. BARRY: .very funny
character, and you know, had a
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great sense of humour, I mean by
that. And you know, he said,
"Look, I may not agree with what
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you say, but I will give my life
in support of ensuring that you
continue to say what it is you
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say." In other words, it is so
important to have freedom of
speech, that even though I
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disagree with you, you ought to
continue. So both individuals
who are atheists, as Voltaire
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was, those who are religious in
the West, have understood the
importance of allowing freedom
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of speech. The other thing is,
we've got freedom of assembly.
Allowing religious communities
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to be able to go ahead and have
their meetings without any fear
and concern, "Oh, is there a
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conspiracy against the
government?" No. We have
understood the importance of
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freedom of assembly, freedom of
association, freedom of speech,
freedom of the press, to be able
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to carry on, and you can speak
that message wherever you want
to go. This TV program is part
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of that whole idea. CHRIS: Yes.
BARRY: And in many ways, freedom
of religion has been that
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prototypical right that has led
to other rights. And it has been
a wonderful blessing that we all
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have enjoyed the ability to live
in a free country. And the world
is wanting to come because.
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well, part of the reason why is
because of freedom and because
of religious freedom. So
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understanding that history,
understanding that background,
is extremely important, and it's
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why it needs to continue. CHRIS:
And I want to dwell there for a
moment, because you talked about
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the freedom of religion, the
Chief Justice calling it a
prototypical right. And I want
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to dwell there for just a
moment, and taking those words
"prototypical right." What
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you're saying is that freedom of
religion actually comes before
any other rights, so to speak.
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It actually, for lack of a
better word - and you correct me
if I'm wrong - it kind of sets
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the path to the other rights we
enjoy through the Charter.
BARRY: That has been our
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experience. And it's not that,
you know, only religious freedom
would allow other rights; but
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the experience that we've had
has been that when you have
allowed religious freedom, this
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has been the by-product. The
by-product has been these other
freedoms. Now, there's an
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argument being made right now in
the legal community that says,
"Well, you know, we don't even
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need religious freedom in the
Constitution. Why do we have it?
I mean, we have freedom of
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speech, of expression, in the
Constitution; we've got freedom
of association. We don't need to
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have in the Constitution
religious freedom." And when I
hear these arguments being made
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now, it strikes me, is, there's
a lack of understanding,
perhaps, a lack of appreciation
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for the history that has gotten
us to where we are. CHRIS: Yes.
BARRY: The history has been that
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religious freedom came first.
And the history has been, that
has opened up - or at least, in
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our modern era, in the era of
the Reformation, the whole
experience that has gone
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through. Now, you know, you look
at many different experiences of
freedom, for example, the
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American Revolution versus the
French Revolution. The French
Revolution, many would say, is a
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very atheistic revolution. The
American Revolution would say.
or a lot of historians would
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say, the American Revolution and
the differences between the two
countries that, in the American
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mindset, there was a real sense
that religion and the experience
of religion, having the ability
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to be free and worship as you
please, was a big motivating
factor. So I mean, yes, you can
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come at it from a religious
view, you can come at it from a
nonreligious view, but
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nevertheless, history is
history, it is what it is. And
if we, according to Dr. Grim, if
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we give countries religious
freedom, then all of these other
freedoms kind of go with it,
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including the freedom to have a
free market, to be involved in
industry and all the rest of it.
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CHRIS: And something that I
think that's very important -
because we talked about. we
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began with the conversation on
religious freedom and its
influence on international
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communities. BARRY: Mmhmm.
CHRIS: And now we've drawn this
back to the individual. And
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something that I don't want to
be glossed over or missed by our
viewer is, you talked about
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atheists, agnostics, people who.
secular. People who have maybe
no "religious", quote-unquote,
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belief system. BARRY: In fact,
they often call them the "nons"
right now. CHRIS: Yes. What's
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very important is, when we talk
about this Office of Religious
Freedom, or religious liberty,
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or religious freedom, we can
often misinterpret that, that
maybe it would be even better
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called is the "freedom to
believe as you wish", because
the atheist, the agnostic, the
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Muslim, the Buddhist, each of
these individuals - the
Christian - are given the
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opportunity to believe as they
choose. And so let's just take
for a moment, if we remove the
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right to religious freedom, what
is the end game? Where is the
logical conclusion? Where does
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this take us? BARRY: Well, first
of all - and I'll come to that -
but let me just step back
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a little bit. This is why the
United Nations, for instance,
has a repertoire for freedom of
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religion or belief. So in other
words, it does take in that
other dimension that you
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mentioned. CHRIS: Yes. BARRY:
And I think that's extremely
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important. In the Canadian
Constitution in the Charter,
it's freedom of conscience and
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religion. So it's both, they're
there. So where does it take us
if we remove that? What happens
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is, society has got to have some
form of anchor as to what is
truth. And I mean, again, this
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is something that we all want to
understand. What is truth?
CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: Many people
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say, "Well, there is no such
thing as truth." Well, then,
that's a statement of truth.
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CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: Right? CHRIS:
Absolutely. BARRY: So what it
takes us to, I think - and what
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we've seen in various
experiments and political
experiments over the years - has
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been, the State, then, becomes
the arbitrator of truth. So
then, what does the State say on
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X, Y, Z? And that has been the
experience, where you see. you
take away the individual
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freedom, then something fills
the vacuum, and that vacuum is
often filled by the State. And
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that's where it leads, and that
then becomes very problematic.
CHRIS: Now, we of course have
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examples of history where this
has happened. Rome is an
example, and other places. Are
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there any modern examples in the
West where religious freedom has
been played with a little bit,
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and consequences to that, that
you can think of? BARRY: Well, I
mean, there's. well, I mean,
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we've got the ongoing discussion
right now. We mentioned last
program the Trinity Western
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University case, for example.
But I mean, we're struggling
right now. We're struggling in
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the western countries on how you
deal with issues on sexual
orientation, human sexuality,
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gender identity, all of these
things. Religion has spoken an
awful lot about sex and has
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spoken a lot about how one ought
to live. And in essence, it
comes down to different
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interpretations of what it means
to be a human, right? And that's
where a struggle is ongoing
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right now. And how do we allow
ourselves, or how do we ensure
that we can have a society that
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is free and that is respectful
of everyone's, you know, sexual
orientation, religious freedom,
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and so on? And that is an
ongoing discussion. We have had
horrible experiences in the past
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where western countries, i.e.,
Germany, for example, where
religious freedom was taken away
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during the Nazi regime, where
what happens is, is that
ideology, this concept and
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understanding or view of the
world that becomes so dominant,
that everything gets taken up in
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its. in this volcano, as it
were. And we see it with. in
that particular example, where
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even the so-called Christian
churches went right along with
the State. CHRIS: Yes.
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BARRY: Because remember, if
you're not going to allow
religious freedom as I'm
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suggesting, then what happens
is, the State comes in, and the
State definitely came in there
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on that particular occasion and
took away religious freedom, and
then, you know, we know what the
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result is. So yes, religious
freedom is something that we've
got to be eternally vigilant
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about. It's not something that
we can just say, "Okay, well, we
have now religious freedom, we
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don't need to worry about it,
da-da-dah." Well, if we have
that kind of lackadaisical
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attitude and there's a lack of
empathy here, or there's
indifference. if there's
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anything that's supposed to be
indifferent, that we have
learned, is that the State is to
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be indifferent. The State is to
be neutral with respect to
religious views and religious
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opinions. And the moment that
the State gets in and starts
saying, "Well, no, I'm sorry,
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but you can't have that
religious view." Now, granted,
there are limits, right?
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CHRIS: Sure. BARRY: There has to
be limits. "Peace, order, and
good government," our
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Constitution says. But if you're
involved in something that is
not against public policy, that
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is private, that is not causing
any kind of grave and imminent
danger or anything of that
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nature, but if it's something
that says, "Hey, this is how I
want to live." I work in an area
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where we have a religious
community there that doesn't
agree with the idea of driving a
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vehicle. So what do they do?
They drive horse and buggy.
CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: Every day,
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back and forth to my office,
several times a day, I see horse
and buggies. It's great; it's
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wonderful. I feel like sometimes
I'm living in a museum, like,
you know, back in history. Well,
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they have every right to live
that way if they so desire.
CHRIS: Absolutely. BARRY: And
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you know, so they have their own
views about how much education
their children have. They've got
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a view that their young people
should be out on the farm and
should be working when they're
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of age, and all the rest of it.
Well, praise God, we've got a
country where those people can
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live that way. CHRIS:
Absolutely. You know, and Barry,
as we have our last few
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minutes together, you know, it
reminds me, I was lecturing at a
university, and I was speaking
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to a Christian club and expected
my audience to be primarily
Christians. However, the first
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night, a good deal of the
Secular and Philosophy Club
came. And afterwards, we had
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lengthy discussion with the
members of that club. And they
said this to me: they said, "You
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know, there's something
different about you." I said,
"What's that?" And he says, "A
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lot of the other clubs kick us
out. But you listened to us."
And then I said this to
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him - and I want you to comment
on this - I said, "Listen, I
respect what you believe and you
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think in the same way I would
hope you respect what I believe.
We may not agree, but we can
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have mutual respect." So in
these final two minutes that we
have together, Barry, talk about
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that. How does the Christian
- how does anybody - relate to
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people with different views? How
do we treat them in a way that
is agreeable to the Bible and
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its foundational principle of
freedom of belief? BARRY: You
know, it's. when we talk about
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personal beliefs and so on, we
tend to be emotional, because
we've had. we all have our
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religious experiences. And when
someone says something that is
particularly offensive, we could
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become very emotional and very
upset very quickly. That's to be
expected. But the reality is, as
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a Christian, I look at the
example of Christ. He is my
example when it comes to the
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whole concept of religious
freedom. I think of Him speaking
to the woman at the well in
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Samaria, the Samaritan woman
there. The Samaritans and the
Jewish people did not see eye to
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eye on religion. CHRIS: No, they
did not. BARRY: And they were
very much against each other and
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they had very different concepts
and understandings. But yet,
Jesus was willing to sit down
00:24:08.34\00:24:12.75
with those whom He disagreed
with, and He was able to have a
discussion with her in broad
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daylight in front of everyone
without any kind of shame or any
kind of sense that He was doing
00:24:20.09\00:24:27.23
anything He shouldn't have been.
In many ways - and you look at
the Good Samaritan, which we
00:24:27.30\00:24:33.77
have, you know, Good Samaritan
laws and so forth - and it's all
on the concept of respecting the
00:24:33.87\00:24:38.74
other. We have to respect the
other, because the other has the
image of God. And for that
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reason, we love our fellow man
as we love God. CHRIS: Hard to
believe we're out of time,
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Barry. Let's pray together, and
why don't you pray for us in
this issue of religious freedom?
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BARRY: Father God, we just want
to thank You so very much for
this beautiful gift that You
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have given. You have given us
freedom of choice. Lord, help us
in our own lives. Help us to
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love our neighbours. Help us to
love our own family when they
make decisions that. on religion
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and so forth that may not be in
accordance with the way we want
them to follow and to accept.
00:25:13.01\00:25:19.98
Lord, give us that grace. And
thank you for the example of the
Lord Jesus Christ in this
00:25:20.08\00:25:25.59
matter. And for that, we
say thanks. Amen. CHRIS: Amen.
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>
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Today in the NEWSTART acronym,
we're focusing on "S" for
sunshine. Now, if you're like
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me, you love being out in the
sun. Sunshine boosts our spirits
and brings joy to our lives. Our
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bodies need sunlight in order to
stay healthy, so getting proper
amounts of sunshine each day is
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important. Excessive exposure to
sunlight, however, can be
detrimental to our health,
00:26:13.34\00:26:19.24
resulting in premature
wrinkling, aging of the skin,
and skin cancer. But, in the
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right amounts sunlight enhances
our lives by improving our
sleep. How does sunlight in the
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day improve our sleep at night?
Have you heard of melatonin?
It's a hormone in our bodies
00:26:33.05\00:26:38.19
that enhances sleep. As we age,
our bodies produce less and less
melatonin. Studies show that
00:26:38.29\00:26:45.30
daily exposure to sunlight helps
boost our body's production of
melatonin. So, we sleep better.
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Secondly, improving our mood.
Most people seem to function and
feel so much better when the sun
00:26:51.61\00:26:58.38
is shining. I know I do! It is
well documented that seasonal
variations in light levels can
00:26:58.48\00:27:04.75
have profound effects on mental
health due to the increased
levels of serotonin. Many
00:27:04.85\00:27:10.43
studies report that when we
combine sunlight - especially as
the sun rises in the morning
00:27:10.53\00:27:15.90
with exercise, it has a powerful
effect on preventing as well as
treating acute depression.
00:27:16.00\00:27:23.91
Sunlight also helps boost our
immune system and even
alleviates pain from swollen
00:27:24.01\00:27:30.11
arthritic joints! And, of
course, we all know that we need
the the sun to enable our bodies
00:27:30.21\00:27:36.75
to manufacture vitamin D. Our
bodies need vitamin D in order
to use calcium to build strong,
00:27:36.85\00:27:41.96
healthy bones and for other
functions in our bodies. So, get
on out there into the gorgeous
00:27:42.06\00:27:50.40
sunshine and get some vitamin D
happening. Be careful, though;
the best hours to be out in the
00:27:50.50\00:27:53.64
sun are before 10:00 am and
after 2:00 pm. Jesus tells us in
John 8:12 that He is the light
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of the world. As the Sun of
righteousness, He brings light
and healing to our souls. I love
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that. If you want additional
information on healthy eating,
visit our It Is Written website
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at www.ItIsWritten.ca, go to the
Live Healthy page, and you'll
find links to lots of great
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resources. See you next time!
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>
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CHRIS: The very foundations of
modern religious freedom are
found in the Reformation. Today,
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I want to offer to you for any
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CHRIS: Barry, I want to thank
you so much for joining us this
week. BARRY: Great to be here,
00:29:29.60\00:29:32.50
Chris. CHRIS: Friend, I want to
thank you for joining us. If
you're interested in some of the
00:29:32.60\00:29:36.97
other items that Barry's been
thinking about, writing about, I
invite you to go to his blog,
00:29:37.07\00:29:41.91
LawAndReligion.org. Please join
us again next week. Until then,
remember it is written: "Man
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shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God."
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