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CHRIS: Religious freedom. What
is it? Why is it important? How
is an individual who is
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religious to relate to an
ever-increasing secular society?
Today, to help me answer those
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questions, we have as a guest on
It Is Written Barry Bussey.
Barry, welcome to the program.
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BARRY: Great to be here, Chris.
CHRIS: Barry, it's so good to
have you here. We've had a
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number of discussions together
over the course of the last
couple of years. Barry, you are
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uniquely positioned to discuss
this issue of religious freedom
because you have a history of
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theology. You were a pastor; you
have a degree in theology. But
then you're also a lawyer. You
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have had a history of working in
various issues of law and
politics. In fact, that one
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time, you worked right down on
Capitol Hill as the director or
heading up the office of
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legislative affairs for the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
there in Washington, D.C. But
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now you are the director of
legal affairs for the Canadian
Council of Christian Charities.
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And so when we talk about this
issue of religious freedom - and
I'm going to ask you a very
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broad question, knowing that
there have been volumes written
on it, and we could spend hours
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just talking about this one
question - but in brief, what is
religious freedom and why is it
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important? BARRY: Well, you
know, you are right. It could
take a long time to really flesh
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it out, because even the subject
of what is religion has become a
very contested term, it seems.
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But religious freedom really is
something that we have
experienced in the West in a big
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way in what is known as the
modern period, which is
post-reformation. And it's the
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idea that the individual is free
to worship or not to worship a
supreme being, an entity that
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they think is in accordance with
their conscience as their
understanding of what reality
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is, and able to worship as they
see fit, and that is without any
kind of hindrance or reprisal,
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is how Chief Justice Dickson
said in the famous Canadian case
that dealt with religious
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freedom, known as the Big M Drug
Mart case. Religious freedom
allows the individual to be who
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they are, and it's a sense of
identity, it's a sense of their
religious understanding of the
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world. Every human being asks
the question. in fact, humanity
is continuing to ask the
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questions of who are we, where
did we come from, how did we get
there, where are we going? I
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mean, scientists today are
constantly seeking the, you
know, information about the Big
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Bang. How did it all happen? All
of those things, that's all part
of this struggle of trying to
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find the ontological
understanding of what we are and
who we are and what is and all
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of that. But religious freedom,
therefore, is simply allowing
the individual to follow their
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conscience, where his conscience
leads. You know, the famous
statement by Martin Luther when
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he was asked to recant on his
religious views, he said, "I
can't." He said, "I can't
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because to go against the
conscience is neither right nor
safe." And that is, in essence,
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in a nub - even though even in a
nub, it can be quite drawn-out -
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is the idea of religious
freedom. CHRIS: You and I are
both Christians, and It Is
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Written as a program is a
Christian-based program. One of
the reasons for my choice to
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become a Christian was, that is
actually the very foundational
principle of God's government.
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The freedom to choose. The
freedom to choose to worship, to
not worship. Now, at the
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Canadian Council of Christian
Charities, you do a lot of work
with helping charities be in
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compliance with different
governmental policies and to
practice exceptional practices
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in the way of how it functions.
But with your work as the
director of legal affairs,
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anything happening on the
forefront of this issue of
religious freedom right now?
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BARRY: One of the - okay, well,
we have been involved in a
number of cases intervening, and
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basically, when we intervene in
a case, we are seeking to be a
friend of the Court to help the
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Court understand what the
implications are of its
decision. And perhaps the most -
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well, certainly the one case
right now that is taking up a
fair piece of my time is that of
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the Trinity Western University
case, where they want to
establish a law school, but
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because of the opposition from a
number of Law Societies around
the country, they're having a
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rough time with that. So that's
probably the case where we're
having issues right now and
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we're involved with. CHRIS:
Okay. Now, a number of viewers
right now are saying, "Okay,
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Trinity Western University.
Where is it, what is it, why are
they having this difficulty?" So
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let's just start. Where is
Trinity Western? BARRY: So
Trinity Western is a small
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Christian university, I think is
around 6,000 students, in that
range, at Langley, British
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Columbia. It has been in
operation since the late 1960s,
early '70s. They have a large
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number of degrees that they
grant in all different areas,
from business to nursing to -
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you name it, all of the regular
humanity degrees and so on. They
have done exceptional work. In
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fact, TWU graduates have gone on
and done great things and are
really making a difference in
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the world. It is a church that -
it is a university that the
Evangelical Free Church is
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sponsoring this university. It
is - so it's a Christian
university, private. Doesn't
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receive government money,
although it does - had received
I think maybe a million dollars
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in its history, kind of thing.
Like, very, very little
government money. And the
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struggle has been this, is that
if you want to attend - TWU we
call it for short - if you want
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to attend TWU, you have to sign
a code of conduct. And that code
of conduct is a beautiful
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document, and I encourage your
listeners to look it up on the
website at TWU, and to just read
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through and see what it says.
Because right now, if you were
to just look at what you hear in
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the press and so on, you'd say,
"Oh, you know, they're
horrible," and all of this,
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because they're against
whatever. They're not against
anyone. If you read through it,
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they're. the primary purpose, or
the sense is, is to have a
Christian university, a
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university that has a Christian
ambiance. And you read through
the code of conduct, and they're
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encouraging their young people
to make sure that they're in
compliance with, you know, its
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religious faith, i.e., you know,
you're not involved in any kind
of slander, you're not involved
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in any drinking. There's no
alcohol consumption on campus.
They frown upon all kinds of.
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you know, the regular, standard,
basic understanding of Christian
life. CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: One of
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those statements there, item - I
think it's item number six - is
the statement that says that
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they will live their lives so
that they do not violate the
sacredness of marriage as one
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man and one woman. And that has
become the focus. And it was the
focus back in the 1990s when
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they wanted to get an education
degree. The B.C. College of
Teachers said, "No, because if
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you are educated in university
where they have this homophobic
mindset, that as a result, it
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will cause the graduates of this
education degree, when they go
out into public school, they're
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going to discriminate against
homosexual students." That case
went on to the Supreme Court.
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The Supreme Court said, "There's
no evidence whatsoever that any
TWU graduate has ever
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discriminated in their
professional capacity," and has
said, "Look, you need to
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accredit this education degree."
So they did, ultimately; they
had to. Then, for a number of
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years, as the university grows
and expands, it wanted to have a
law degree. And in 2012, in June
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of 2012, they presented it
before the Federation of the
Canadian Law Societies, and that
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federation looked at it, and
they received all kinds of flak
from a number of academics and
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other activists and said, "Look,
you can't accept this law school
proposal because they're
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discriminatory. They
discriminate against the LGBTQ
community because they have to
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sign this document." Well, I
should just point out that back
in the 2001 case that was
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decided on the education thing,
the Supreme Court of Canada
said, "Look, Trinity University
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is a private religious
community. The Charter does not
apply to it because the Charter
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only applies between the
government and the citizen. The
human rights legislation doesn't
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apply to it because it's a
religious community." And the
Court used the terminology
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something like "Trinity Western
is not - or TWU is not for
everyone." In other words, it's
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for that particular Evangelical
Christian community. Now in
2012, the argument has been,
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"Well, okay, we will say that
the potential graduates of law
will not discriminate against,
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you know, LGBTQ clients or
whatever. Okay, we'll accept
that." Same as, ultimately, was
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found in the - with the
teachers. But what's happening
now is they argue and they say,
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"Well, because the school
requires this signing of this
code of conduct, that that
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requirement is itself
discriminatory because - and
here's how they get the Charter
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now - or, part of the argument,
because the thing is - anyhow.
So they argue and they say that
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because the school receives
government accreditation in
order to grant its degree,
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therefore it's a - the public,
the government, puts its
imprimatur on the university,
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and therefore, it is as if the
government is accepting these
discriminatory views of Trinity
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Western. CHRIS: Okay. BARRY:
Now, if you take that argument -
well, I mean, there's lots of
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problems with that argument, in
my view, but. CHRIS: Sure.
BARRY: .if you take that
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argument to its logical extreme,
where does it go? Like, I mean,
there's lots of government
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agencies that give licences,
give permits, give whatever. Are
we now going to say that
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government - 'cause in this
case, they're saying that if the
Law Society gives its approval,
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therefore the Law Society is
agreeing with the religious
views of the organization - if
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you go with that argument to its
logical extreme, then what about
all the other degrees that the
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university is doing? What about
its history degree? What about
its English degree? Are they
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somehow incapable or is it
unfair that the government would
grant recognition for those
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degrees? What about other things
that government does? I mean,
they issue driver's licences. I
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mean, I know that sounds
far-out, but I mean, just think
about it. I mean, the thing is,
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is the government, by mere
granting a licence of whatever,
therefore agreeing with the
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religious views of the person
who's receiving the licence?
Like, okay, so, what they argue
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is this: they say, "All right,
law is different. Law is
different than education because
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the law, why, it's the
gatekeeper. a law school is a
gatekeeper of justice and. and
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to think that perhaps you'll
have graduates from TWU make it
to the bench, or maybe they'll
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be involved in not only
practicing law, but maybe
they'll be teaching law." I
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mean, all of these kinds of
things. CHRIS: You know, not to
interrupt you, Barry, but I want
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to kind of encapsulate this,
because we have a wide variety
of viewers, a number of
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different religious persuasions.
And I want to kind of - and I
don't want to oversimplify what
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we're talking about. BARRY:
Mmhmm. CHRIS: But TWU is a
private university, privately
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funded. BARRY: Yes. CHRIS:
.where a person can make a
choice to go there or to not
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go there. They are not forced to
go there. And they have a
Covenant, an agreement, a code
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of conduct, that an individual
signs when they go there, by
free choice. BARRY: Mmhmm.
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CHRIS: And by the way, if we
understand Christianity in its
purest forms, so to speak,
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unfortunately, there have been -
the loudest voices in
Christianity may come across as
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homophobic. However, the Bible
is quite clear that Jesus
accepted everyone. Jesus loved
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everyone. Yet Jesus formed a
religion that had boundaries
that someone could choose or not
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to choose to be a part of.
Here's what I'm getting at. I
eat in a restaurant that the
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owners of that restaurant are
practicing Buddhists. I eat in
another restaurant where the
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owners are practicing Hindus,
and they have little shrines set
up all over the restaurant. By
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me eating at that restaurant,
that doesn't necessarily mean I
condone or agree with their
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religious practices, but I do
honour their freedom to practice
their religion or practice their
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freedom of conscience in
whichever way they want to by
continuing to eat there. It is
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in the same way that TWU has a
code of conduct, yet now the
government is trying to tell
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TWU, "You can't create a law
degree because of this potential
influence it will have," when in
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reality, many Christians - I
hesitate to say most - but many
Christians make a very positive
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influence on Canadian society.
BARRY: Mmhmm. CHRIS: So let's
now get to the - so TWU has this
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case, they have attempted to
prevent them from starting the
law degree. The case has gone to
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court. BARRY: So what's happened
is that three Law Societies -
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the Law Society of British
Columbia, the Law Society of
Upper Canada, which is Ontario,
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and the Nova Scotia Barristers'
Society - all three have decided
not to give accreditation to the
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school, nor would they accept
these graduates coming in to do
the articling. And articling is
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kind of like an internship, I
guess, would be the best way to
describe it. When a law graduate
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graduates, he has to go and work
under another lawyer for about
twelve months, give or
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take - depends on each province
- and then you do a Bar course
and then you can practice
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law. So Nova Scotia, for
example, has said, you know,
they will not accept any TWU
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graduates. Now, what's happened
is that the lower courts -
because TWU now has
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taken this on to the courts for
judicial review. The first court
out was the court in Nova Scotia
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which gave a resounding victory
to TWU and basically said,
"Look, you can't make the
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Charter a blueprint for moral
conformity that Evangelical
Christians that - if they want
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to establish a law school,
they're entitled to establish a
law school and have the codes of
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conduct and so forth." So
resounding victory there. CHRIS:
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Makes good sense. BARRY: In the
province of British Columbia,
the court ruled that the Law
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Society there did not follow
proper rules of - we call it
procedural justice,
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administrative law issues there
- that it fettered its
discretion in looking at the
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issues of religious freedom and
so on, and so the court ruled
there that the law school was
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offside, and both of those are
now being appealed. The third
one, which is also being
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appealed, the third one is where
Trinity Western lost, here in
Ontario, and basically, the
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court there said that the Law
Society of Upper Canada was well
within its rights to decide not
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to accept Trinity Western. So
we've got those three cases.
They're all now at their various
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respective courts of appeal. And
I expect - I mean, this will
eventually make its way up to
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the Supreme Court of Canada,
probably in at least another
year, year and a half, something
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in that timeframe. And perhaps
all three of those cases will be
combined together for the Court
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to deal with. So that's where it
is. And I mean, you can imagine
the amount of stress and
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everything else that's involved
in this for a small Christian
university. They certainly need
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our prayers and support as they
struggle through this. What I
find very concerning on this
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whole thing is, in the
recognition that the law was
very clear back in 2001, Trinity
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was exempt. Trinity had its
education degree. Now what we
see being argued are things
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like, "Well, the fact that TWU
is not subject to the Charter,
as a private institution, is
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irrelevant, that it is
irrelevant that the law doesn't
apply to them. It's irrelevant
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that the human rights
legislation doesn't apply to
them." And I find that very
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problematic. CHRIS: Yes. BARRY:
I find it problematic in the
same that - I'll give you an
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example. In the play A Man for
All Seasons by Bolt, he has a
scene there with Sir Thomas More
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speaking to his son-in-law
Roper. And Roper was upset with
Thomas More because Thomas More
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said that he would give the
benefit of the law to the devil.
And Roper says, "You would allow
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the devil the benefit of the
law?" And Thomas replied and
said, "Yes, of course I'd give
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him the benefit of the law." He
said, "In this country of
England," he said, "from one end
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to the other, there are laws,
human laws. And I'd give him the
benefit of the law because," he
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says, "what would you do? Would
you knock down every law in this
country so you could go after
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the devil? And then if the devil
turned around and went after
you, what would be left to
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protect you?" CHRIS: Yes. BARRY:
And you know, that's how I see
it. You know, the law is very
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clear. Trinity Western should
not be having this issue. We are
involved in a very diverse
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society. CHRIS: Yes. BARRY: And
we need to allow many different
groups the opportunity to be
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able to live in their
communities so that they will be
able to be free, have that
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space, have the space for the
Christian universities to be
able to operate in their
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Christian. listen, we have, as
Christians, been involved in
universities since around the
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year 600 A.D. CHRIS: Yes, yes.
BARRY: I mean, it's been a long
time. Many of the universities
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across this country have been
founded by churches and
religious organizations. Trinity
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Western is no different, and all
of the history of western
civilization. And yet, even when
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there is this law, there is this
protection of religious freedom,
now we're saying it's
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irrelevant. It baffles me; it
honestly baffles me. CHRIS: As I
listen to you, Barry, I
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certainly want to be praying for
TWU, but what comes to my mind
is ultimately the question that
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must be answered, ultimately the
issue - and in our last few
minutes together - it seems that
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the ultimate issue is an issue
of sovereignty. Talk about that.
How does that work? Because
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somebody may be watching saying,
"Okay, it's some university; it
doesn't bother me." How does
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this issue of sovereignty affect
me as an individual? BARRY:
Throughout the history of
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mankind, states - whether it's
the Roman emperor who said he
was God and he was king - the
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idea was that he told the
citizens what to believe and
what not to believe and they
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were to take that little incense
and they were to drop it at his
altar. Christians have said,
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"No, we're not doing that. The
ultimate sovereign is God. It's
our individual conscience." And
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that's what it comes down to at
the end of the day. We must
allow for individual Christian
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conscience to prevail. CHRIS:
And by allowing. and by the way,
we have a history. I recently
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read an article about some
issues that were faced in Québec
with this very issue in its past
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history. The bottom line is, is
God desires for each of us to
have the freedom to choose.
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BARRY: Mmhmm. CHRIS: The TWU
case comes down to the
fundamental issue of this
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university being able to choose
how it operates - within the
context of the government - but
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how it operates while freely
practicing its religion. How
that affects me as an individual
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is that I need to be concerned;
if the government enforces its
view on an institution, the
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logical next step is to enforce
that on the individual. BARRY:
Mmhmm. CHRIS: Barry, let's pray
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together as we wrap our show up.
Heavenly Father, we thank You so
much for the freedom of choice.
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Please help us in our choosing
to always choose to honour You
in those choices. We pray in
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Jesus' name, amen.
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>>Bev: Hi everyone. We've been
focusing on the "NEWSTART"
acronym that's N,E,W,S,T,A,R,T
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and today we are looking at "W"
for water. Fish swim in it,
flowers love to be drenched in
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it, and you and I are made up of
about 70% of it! Water has been
called the most essential
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nutrient, and with good reason
because every one of your bodily
functions requires water.
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Breathing, digestion,
elimination - all require water
Every one of your billions of
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cells needs water. Drinking
enough water each day helps to
decrease the risk of kidney
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stones, and urinary tract
infections. In a University of
Washington study, it was shown
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that just one glass of water
shut down the hunger pangs for
almost 100% of the study
00:26:07.13\00:26:12.70
participants! Did you know that
by the time you feel thirsty,
you're actually already
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dehydrated? Many of us are
walking around totally parched,
and we don't even realize it!
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And, do you know that lack of
water is the number one trigger
of daytime fatigue? So, how much
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water do we need? There are lots
of different equations, but it's
probably safe to say that
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depending on your body size and
your activity level, your body
needs between 6 - 10 cups of
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water each day. A good rule of
thumb is to drink enough to keep
your urine pale. I know, that
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may sound like a lot, but here
are some tips to keep you nicely
hydrated: first,drink two cups
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first thing in the morning. It
will help to cleanse your body
after your nightly rest. Drink
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water between your meals, not
with your meals. Why do I say
that? If you're drinking with
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your meals, you are diluting
those powerful gastric juices
that are necessary to really get
00:27:07.62\00:27:13.33
your food fully digested. So,
try to wait at least an hour
after you finish your meals to
00:27:13.43\00:27:18.67
start drinking. For those 6-10
cups, it really is best to drink
plain water. By that, I mean not
00:27:18.77\00:27:26.61
juice, not pop, not milk, just
plain water. Your body will
thank you for it. You know, in
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John 4:10, Jesus tells us that
He is the source of living water
and that anyone who drinks from
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Him will never thirst again. So,
cheers! Drink up! If you want
additional information on
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healthy eating, visit our It Is
Written website at
www.itiswrittencanada.ca,
00:27:47.96\00:27:55.10
go to the Live Healthy page,
and you'll find links to lots of
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great resources.
See you next time!
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>
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CHRIS: Friend, thank you so much
for watching. And Barry, I want
to thank you for joining us
00:29:30.37\00:29:34.27
today. BARRY: It was great to be
here, Chris. CHRIS: Now, if you
would like to read more from
00:29:34.37\00:29:38.34
Barry, you can go to Barry's
blog at LawAndReligion.org.
Thank you so much again for
00:29:38.44\00:29:44.68
joining us. Please join us again
next week. Until then, remember
it is written: "Man shall not
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live by bread alone, but by
every word that proceeds from
00:29:50.95\00:29:55.89
the mouth of God."
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