BILL: On today's It Is Written program, another instalment in 00:00:02.23\00:00:04.03 our Live Healthy series. 00:00:04.03\00:00:06.33 Today we ask the question: "Is sugar really toxic? 00:00:06.33\00:00:10.70 " with our friend, Dr. Fereira. 00:00:10.70\00:00:13.03 It Is Written begins right now. 00:00:13.03\00:00:14.76 ANNOUNCER: It has stood the test of time. 00:00:28.33\00:00:30.26 God's book: the Bible, 00:00:30.96\00:00:33.66 still relevant in today's complex world. 00:00:34.73\00:00:38.30 It Is Written, 00:00:38.90\00:00:40.76 sharing the messages of hope around the world. 00:00:41.93\00:00:45.06 Bill: Well, let me welcome all of our viewers to this week's It 00:00:55.83\00:00:57.23 Is Written program. 00:00:57.23\00:00:58.60 Thank you for joining us today. 00:00:58.60\00:01:00.80 Let me turn to my special guest, Dr. Fereira. 00:01:00.80\00:01:03.83 Welcome, Doctor. 00:01:03.83\00:01:05.36 DOCTOR: Thank you very much, Bill. 00:01:05.36\00:01:06.66 It's a pleasure to be here. 00:01:06.66\00:01:08.86 BILL: You know, Doctor, in this Live Healthy series, we've tried 00:01:08.86\00:01:11.90 over the years to give folks some very practical advice and ways. lifestyle changes that 00:01:11.90\00:01:17.43 they can make to live life and live it more abundantly, because 00:01:17.43\00:01:21.56 we believe that that is what is God's desire for each one of his 00:01:21.56\00:01:25.00 children. And occasionally, we come across some articles or some studies that seem to 00:01:25.00\00:01:28.83 cause quite a stir. 00:01:28.83\00:01:32.56 DOCTOR: That's right, yes. 00:01:32.56\00:01:34.50 BILL: And this is one of them right here about sugar being 00:01:34.50\00:01:39.03 toxic. Now, before we get to that, give us a very quick biography of who you are 00:01:39.03\00:01:42.60 for the benefit of viewers that may be tuning in for the very 00:01:42.60\00:01:46.93 first time and haven't seen you on a program before. 00:01:46.93\00:01:49.26 Tell us a little bit about who you are. 00:01:49.26\00:01:51.83 DOCTOR: Well, I'm Portuguese by descent. 00:01:51.83\00:01:54.20 I was born in Angola in Africa and studied medicine in South 00:01:54.20\00:01:55.56 Africa and practiced in the U.K. 00:01:55.56\00:01:57.83 and the U.S. 00:01:57.83\00:02:02.06 And now, for the past few years, we've been in Portugal where 00:02:02.06\00:02:05.00 we're working a lot in preventative medicine, setting 00:02:05.00\00:02:07.03 up a centre where we can help people change their lifestyle. 00:02:07.03\00:02:11.16 And so we get involved in health education, not just here, but 00:02:11.16\00:02:16.03 throughout Europe. 00:02:16.03\00:02:18.13 It keeps us busy, but we love it. 00:02:18.13\00:02:21.13 BILL: Yes. 00:02:21.13\00:02:24.60 Well, I know that you're extremely busy and we appreciate 00:02:24.60\00:02:27.30 you joining us. One of the things I really appreciate about you is that you tend to 00:02:27.30\00:02:30.43 speak from facts and experience and not speculation. 00:02:30.43\00:02:35.56 So when I came across this article. there are a number of 00:02:35.56\00:02:39.63 articles written about the potential toxicity of sugar. 00:02:39.63\00:02:42.33 DOCTOR: That's right, yes. 00:02:42.33\00:02:44.53 BILL: You know, I fired it off to you right away. 00:02:44.53\00:02:45.76 DOCTOR: Immediately. 00:02:45.76\00:02:47.46 BILL: Yeah, 'cause I wanted your opinion on this. 00:02:47.46\00:02:48.93 Let me just share with you this one. 00:02:48.93\00:02:50.86 There's a number of them. 00:02:50.86\00:02:52.50 Just from the one I have here in front of me. 00:02:52.50\00:02:54.76 It says: "New research coming out of some of America's most 00:02:54.76\00:02:57.00 respected institutions is starting to find that sugar is a toxin and could be a 00:02:57.00\00:03:00.26 driving force behind some of the country's leading killers, 00:03:00.26\00:03:04.96 including heart disease. 00:03:04.96\00:03:07.20 " And then later on here in the article, it goes on to say that 00:03:07.20\00:03:10.76 Dr. Dariush Mozaffarian, associate professor of medicine and epidemiology at Harvard, 00:03:10.76\00:03:16.43 told the magazine that anti-sugar crusaders are mostly 00:03:16.43\00:03:23.73 concerned with fructose. 00:03:23.73\00:03:26.03 Fructose specifically, not sugar in general, activates DNL in the 00:03:26.03\00:03:33.90 liver more directly than any other sugars and carbohydrates. 00:03:33.90\00:03:36.46 DNL, he says, is simply the process by which our body turns 00:03:36.46\00:03:41.16 carbs into fat. And with fructose, like alcohol and unlike other sugars, this occurs 00:03:41.16\00:03:47.76 in the liver. 00:03:47.76\00:03:50.06 This is part of the reason why people make the argument that 00:03:50.06\00:03:53.23 sugar is toxic. 00:03:53.23\00:03:56.33 What's your opinion on that? 00:03:56.33\00:03:58.13 DOCTOR: That's amazing. 00:03:58.13\00:04:00.20 Well, you know, let's go back and try and see the context of 00:04:00.20\00:04:04.90 all this. You know, people were born with taste buds. 00:04:04.90\00:04:08.93 And we've got specific taste buds for sweet things. 00:04:08.93\00:04:14.40 So it's natural; it's there. 00:04:14.40\00:04:17.23 And it's a very pleasant thing to eat something sweet, you 00:04:17.23\00:04:23.00 know. I know my son has never really liked cakes and things 00:04:23.00\00:04:27.36 like that since he was a little boy, a baby, really. 00:04:27.36\00:04:30.63 But most of us, you know, we've got a tendency to like these 00:04:30.63\00:04:34.30 sweet things. It's almost like a comfort. 00:04:34.30\00:04:36.63 And it's normal. 00:04:36.63\00:04:39.50 We were made that way. 00:04:39.50\00:04:41.40 So where do you get these sweet flavours? 00:04:41.40\00:04:44.00 Well, in nature, you get them. 00:04:44.00\00:04:46.40 For example, you eat fruit. 00:04:46.40\00:04:48.33 And fruit has fructose in small amounts. 00:04:48.33\00:04:53.16 And you don't need a lot of fructose to have the sweetness. 00:04:53.16\00:04:57.03 And then you've got sugarcane, for example. 00:04:57.03\00:05:00.30 Sugarcane is what we call sucrose. 00:05:00.30\00:05:04.53 And I don't know, I remember as a little boy in Africa, you 00:05:04.53\00:05:07.93 know, just chewing the sugarcane. 00:05:07.93\00:05:10.20 And it's lovely. 00:05:10.20\00:05:12.50 And you start getting fussy, you know, which ones are good and 00:05:12.50\00:05:14.10 which ones are not good. 00:05:14.10\00:05:14.93 Okay. 00:05:14.93\00:05:16.30 So we were born to enjoy that. 00:05:16.30\00:05:18.36 But even sugarcane, there's so much water in it, that the 00:05:18.36\00:05:22.83 amount that you take of that pure sugar is small. 00:05:22.83\00:05:27.53 Now, with industrialization, people found out that if they 00:05:27.53\00:05:37.96 dry the sugarcane and the syrup and make it into crystals, it's 00:05:37.96\00:05:41.86 still very natural. 00:05:41.86\00:05:44.10 You can see, it'd be a very natural process. 00:05:44.10\00:05:47.23 You get first the brown sugar, then molasses, and so on. 00:05:47.23\00:05:49.90 So you've got from sugarcane and from beets, for example, 00:05:49.90\00:05:56.36 beetroot, you get this sugar which is essentially sucrose. 00:05:56.36\00:06:00.50 And what is sucrose? 00:06:00.50\00:06:02.16 Sucrose is. give me your cup. 00:06:02.16\00:06:05.33 Okay. 00:06:05.33\00:06:08.66 Sucrose is a sugar that is a molecule that has two pure 00:06:08.66\00:06:15.60 sugars or simple sugars. 00:06:15.60\00:06:17.56 One is fructose; the other one is glucose. 00:06:17.56\00:06:20.30 The two together, bound together, make sucrose. 00:06:20.30\00:06:23.86 Now, that is the sugar that is present in sugarcane; it's 00:06:23.86\00:06:28.26 present in beetroot. 00:06:28.26\00:06:30.83 And what happens is that the body, when we eat things with 00:06:30.83\00:06:36.70 that, which is already. if you eat the pure sucrose, it's already concentrated. 00:06:36.70\00:06:42.66 You know, it's crystallized, and so it's already concentrated. 00:06:42.66\00:06:46.36 So you can have much more sugar per tablespoon than if you took 00:06:46.36\00:06:50.60 the syrup of corn sugar. sorry, sugarcane. 00:06:50.60\00:06:57.46 So what happens, then, you take that and put it in your mouth. 00:06:57.46\00:07:01.23 In the mouth. see, your body cannot use the two together. 00:07:01.23\00:07:04.50 It has to separate them. 00:07:04.50\00:07:07.03 In the mouth, there are scissors which are enzymes that start 00:07:07.03\00:07:12.00 dividing them. So you get fructose and you get glucose. 00:07:12.00\00:07:15.86 Sucrose is the combination of fructose and glucose. 00:07:15.86\00:07:18.83 But now that. and especially when people eat too fast, too 00:07:20.96\00:07:23.33 quickly, that only happens a little bit. 00:07:23.33\00:07:27.33 That sucrose has to travel down to your stomach and then to your 00:07:27.33\00:07:33.93 intestine. And there, again, the ones that were not separated 00:07:33.93\00:07:40.33 before, they are separated. 00:07:40.33\00:07:43.76 So you get the same percentage of fructose as you get of 00:07:43.76\00:07:47.83 glucose. And remember, we're talking about sucrose, which is 00:07:47.83\00:07:51.36 from sugarcane and beetroot. 00:07:51.36\00:07:52.86 Then where do they go? 00:07:52.86\00:07:55.23 Well, fructose enters the body. 00:07:55.23\00:08:00.50 So it's inside the gut now. 00:08:00.50\00:08:03.43 But it has to go to the blood and it has to go to the organs. 00:08:03.43\00:08:06.13 So it enters the body a certain way. 00:08:06.13\00:08:07.80 It goes through one door. 00:08:07.80\00:08:11.33 Glucose, which is the main sugar, for example, for the 00:08:11.33\00:08:17.46 body's metabolism. For example, my brain only uses glucose as 00:08:17.46\00:08:24.96 its own fuel. So glucose enters the blood through another door. 00:08:24.96\00:08:28.73 So they separate. 00:08:28.73\00:08:31.40 But it's important to know that when they get into the gut, 00:08:31.40\00:08:37.16 they're together, and then they have to be separated. 00:08:37.16\00:08:38.66 Then they go. 00:08:38.66\00:08:41.30 The fructose goes. it's metabolized essentially in the 00:08:41.30\00:08:45.53 liver, where the glucose goes to. you know, it can be metabolized by different 00:08:45.53\00:08:49.40 organs. 00:08:49.40\00:08:52.30 And so if there is an excess. let's say you take too much 00:08:52.30\00:08:59.43 sucrose, which happens. 00:08:59.43\00:09:02.10 I mean, just in the U.S., people take about 40 kilograms. 40 00:09:02.10\00:09:06.36 kilograms of sugar. 00:09:06.36\00:09:09.80 One person, 40 kilograms of sugar per year. 00:09:09.80\00:09:13.10 I mean, that's a huge bag. 00:09:13.10\00:09:16.03 BILL: That's almost 100 pounds, I think. 00:09:16.03\00:09:17.33 DOCTOR: Yeah, that's right, yes. 00:09:18.73\00:09:20.20 That's almost 100 pounds of sugar a year. 00:09:20.20\00:09:21.50 That is an amazing amount. 00:09:21.50\00:09:24.16 If you think of how much fruit you would need to eat to get 40 00:09:24.16\00:09:27.80 kilograms of sugar, it's bags and bags and crates. 00:09:27.80\00:09:34.16 It's just amazing. 00:09:34.16\00:09:35.96 And that's one person. 00:09:35.96\00:09:37.80 Now, of course, that has an effect in the body. 00:09:37.80\00:09:40.43 That sugar cannot all be used, so it's stored. 00:09:40.43\00:09:43.90 It's metabolized and it's stored. 00:09:43.90\00:09:47.83 Now, what happens with fructose, it goes a certain way and it's 00:09:47.83\00:09:51.10 mainly metabolized in the liver and it can have certain effects. 00:09:51.10\00:09:55.80 And sucrose, the same thing. 00:09:55.80\00:10:00.50 Now, one of the reasons for the huge obesity crisis. you know, 00:10:00.50\00:10:06.73 it's really epidemic. is that people are taking too much of 00:10:06.73\00:10:10.16 that. It doesn't matter if it is. and we'll talk about that, 00:10:10.16\00:10:15.46 you know. the modified sugars or if it's from sugarcane. 00:10:15.46\00:10:18.30 The reality is that people are taking too much sugar. 00:10:18.30\00:10:21.53 BILL: Too much of it, yeah, in any form. 00:10:21.53\00:10:23.90 DOCTOR: And so it's being stored. 00:10:23.90\00:10:28.60 And you know, by having a lot of weight, and it's stored in fat 00:10:28.60\00:10:31.96 mostly because the sugar, when it's to be stored in the muscles, in the fat cells, 00:10:31.96\00:10:34.43 it has to be transformed into fat. 00:10:34.43\00:10:36.33 So it's stored. 00:10:36.33\00:10:38.63 And that is associated with heart disease, with cancer, 00:10:38.63\00:10:41.23 diabetes, and so on. 00:10:41.23\00:10:43.26 So it's just amazing. 00:10:43.26\00:10:45.76 This is just the background for the sugar story. 00:10:45.76\00:10:48.46 BILL: Wow, okay. 00:10:48.46\00:10:51.23 So now, they make reference here to the idea that most experts 00:10:51.23\00:10:57.13 seem to be more concerned about fructose specifically. 00:10:57.13\00:11:03.56 I'm assuming they are not referring to fructose in fruit. 00:11:03.56\00:11:08.46 DOCTOR: No, no. 00:11:08.46\00:11:10.93 See, you need to eat a lot of fruit to have a lot of fructose, 00:11:10.93\00:11:14.83 okay? So what are they talking about? 00:11:14.83\00:11:19.26 Okay. 00:11:19.26\00:11:20.76 BILL: Where are we getting all of this? 00:11:20.76\00:11:21.93 DOCTOR: All right. 00:11:21.93\00:11:24.26 Now, this is. it's fascinating, you know, how trends in human 00:11:24.26\00:11:25.66 nutrition develop over the years. 00:11:25.66\00:11:29.60 If you look at the labels of most of your products today. 00:11:29.60\00:11:35.03 Go and take a cereal or a cake or a soft drink, one of these 00:11:35.03\00:11:43.43 sodas. Most of them, you read that it contains high-fructose 00:11:43.43\00:11:51.13 corn syrup. BILL: Yes. 00:11:51.13\00:11:53.73 DOCTOR:Now, it depends on where you are, how it's labelled. 00:11:53.73\00:11:56.00 In the U.S., it's high-fructose corn syrup. 00:11:56.00\00:11:59.06 In Canada, it could be just fructose/glucose. 00:11:59.06\00:12:04.46 Now, where does this come from? 00:12:04.46\00:12:09.10 The word "corn" says it all. 00:12:09.10\00:12:13.63 Okay, now, when you look at corn. when you look at 00:12:13.63\00:12:17.36 sugarcane. I was telling you, you know, I used to eat the 00:12:17.36\00:12:19.53 sugarcane. It's sweet. 00:12:19.53\00:12:20.76 It's extremely sweet. 00:12:20.76\00:12:22.10 If you take fruit, it's sweet. 00:12:22.10\00:12:24.26 Corn, if you take sweet corn, it's a little bit sweet because 00:12:24.26\00:12:28.70 it has some of the molecules already that are going to give you that sweetness. 00:12:28.70\00:12:33.16 But most of it is not sweet. 00:12:33.16\00:12:36.06 Where does that high-fructose corn syrup come from? 00:12:36.06\00:12:39.36 Well, corn has starch. 00:12:39.36\00:12:42.83 And starch. imagine if you had many mugs here, you know, many 00:12:42.83\00:12:46.86 of these cups here. 00:12:46.86\00:12:51.30 Starch is a collection of hundreds of them. 00:12:51.30\00:12:53.36 Each one of them has glucose in it and also some fructose. 00:12:53.36\00:13:00.56 BILL: Okay, got it. 00:13:00.56\00:13:03.00 DOCTOR: So what they do is, okay, they looked. and this is 00:13:03.00\00:13:07.16 an economical war and it's got things in between that we're not going to deal with. 00:13:07.16\00:13:13.13 But they looked at these and they said, "We've got a lot of 00:13:13.13\00:13:18.60 corn in our countries. 00:13:18.60\00:13:20.40 How can we make sugar out of this? 00:13:20.40\00:13:22.83 " So they break before they give. I mean, you don't want to 00:13:22.83\00:13:30.50 take corn as a source of sugar. 00:13:30.50\00:13:32.96 But they've separated all of this enzymatically, 00:13:32.96\00:13:35.10 industrially, they separated all the starch from the corn and they made the high-fructose 00:13:35.10\00:13:38.80 corn syrup. 00:13:38.80\00:13:41.46 And then you've got different percentages. 00:13:41.46\00:13:44.76 You know, you've got high-fructose corn syrup, which 00:13:44.76\00:13:47.23 is 90% fructose; you've got others which are 70% fructose. 00:13:47.23\00:13:49.33 You've got 55% fructose. 00:13:49.33\00:13:52.40 And it depends on what you want to use it for which one you're 00:13:52.40\00:13:56.70 going to use. But it's a high-fructose corn syrup. 00:13:56.70\00:13:59.83 Remember, it's not a natural process. 00:13:59.83\00:14:02.63 It has to be prepared before. 00:14:02.63\00:14:05.70 And when you take it, you're already taking the fructose 00:14:05.70\00:14:09.16 separated. It's not together. 00:14:09.16\00:14:13.53 BILL: Without the glucose. 00:14:13.53\00:14:14.90 DOCTOR: Without the glucose. 00:14:14.90\00:14:16.73 You're taking it separate, okay? 00:14:16.73\00:14:18.76 All right, in higher amounts. BILL: That's already unnatural 00:14:18.76\00:14:20.33 for our body. 00:14:20.33\00:14:21.90 DOCTOR: Yes. 00:14:21.90\00:14:24.26 So for you to take that amount of fructose from fruit and 00:14:24.26\00:14:26.30 natural sources, I mean, it would be impossible. 00:14:26.30\00:14:29.50 Now, I told you that about 40 kilos a year are taken by an 00:14:29.50\00:14:34.56 average person in the U.S. 00:14:34.56\00:14:36.93 You know how much of that is from high-fructose corn syrup? 00:14:36.93\00:14:38.76 It's close to about 40%. 00:14:38.76\00:14:40.26 It's about 17, 18 kilos. 00:14:40.26\00:14:42.20 That's 2008. BILL: Oh my goodness. 00:14:42.20\00:14:44.36 So nearly half of all the sugar intake is. DOCTOR: It comes from 00:14:44.36\00:14:47.50 high-fructose corn syrup. 00:14:47.50\00:14:50.33 Plus the other sugar that you take already has 50% fructose. 00:14:50.33\00:14:55.00 So you see, we've got a very unnatural situation. 00:14:55.00\00:14:58.03 You've got high amounts of fructose. 00:14:58.03\00:15:01.10 You know, fructose is healthy, but in appropriate amounts 00:15:01.10\00:15:03.76 coming into the body. 00:15:03.76\00:15:06.30 And it's a system that is not dependent on insulin to come 00:15:06.30\00:15:11.13 into the cells. It's different from the one from glucose going 00:15:11.13\00:15:14.70 into the body. And it's something that is directly affecting the liver. 00:15:14.70\00:15:19.30 The glucose, not so much, but the fructose is. 00:15:19.30\00:15:23.06 So that is why there have been studies that have shown that 00:15:23.06\00:15:31.00 this is potentially toxic to the liver itself, you know. 00:15:31.00\00:15:36.50 If you take too much of this. there's at least one study that 00:15:36.50\00:15:40.03 says that it could actually be potentially toxic to the liver and cause some liver 00:15:40.03\00:15:43.53 damage, okay? 00:15:43.53\00:15:46.56 It can cause. the liver can become very fatty because 00:15:46.56\00:15:52.60 fructose is stored mainly in the liver. 00:15:52.60\00:15:54.30 It can become very fatty. 00:15:54.30\00:15:56.56 And we know today that. and we've done a program on this 00:15:56.56\00:16:00.33 before on diabetes, that the fat in the liver is one of the most important predictors 00:16:00.33\00:16:07.23 of diabetes. 00:16:07.23\00:16:14.83 So there's a direct correlation between fat in the liver and 00:16:14.83\00:16:18.00 diabetes, for example. 00:16:18.00\00:16:20.06 And there have been fascinating studies on this, because you 00:16:20.06\00:16:23.53 know, it's not a normal situation to eat so much 00:16:23.53\00:16:26.30 fructose. So you know, for example, obesity. 00:16:26.30\00:16:30.26 Animals that are fed with high-fructose corn syrup, they 00:16:30.26\00:16:36.33 are more likely to become obese. 00:16:36.33\00:16:38.23 BILL: Which makes sense, yeah. 00:16:38.23\00:16:41.03 DOCTOR: So there's a lot of controversy. 00:16:41.03\00:16:43.80 And so you know, when people look at that, at the label, and 00:16:43.80\00:16:49.83 they look at high-fructose corn syrup, there's a natural tendency to feel, "Well, 00:16:49.83\00:16:54.43 this is probably healthier," because they know that sugar is 00:16:54.43\00:16:59.00 bad, so if you put there "sugar", somebody would look at 00:16:59.00\00:17:03.50 it as, "Oh, sugar. I don't want that. 00:17:03.50\00:17:05.26 " BILL: I don't want that, yeah. 00:17:05.26\00:17:07.46 DOCTOR: "You know, I don't want that. 00:17:07.46\00:17:08.76 " They leave it aside. 00:17:08.76\00:17:12.53 But high-fructose corn syrup, most people have no idea that 00:17:12.53\00:17:14.63 this is sugar. It's a modified sugar. 00:17:14.63\00:17:16.16 So they feel happier and so they take it. 00:17:16.16\00:17:19.36 BILL: Yeah, it's amazing that once you become conscious of 00:17:19.36\00:17:22.03 this and you begin to read the labels, that you find this high-fructose corn syrup 00:17:22.03\00:17:26.23 in everything. 00:17:26.23\00:17:28.90 DOCTOR: You know, it's interesting, yeah. 00:17:28.90\00:17:30.16 BILL: It's everywhere. 00:17:30.16\00:17:31.63 DOCTOR: That's right, it's everywhere. 00:17:31.63\00:17:33.46 BILL: It's incredible. 00:17:33.46\00:17:35.63 DOCTOR: And you know, it's becoming sort of bad news, if you look at that, and 00:17:35.63\00:17:37.70 because of all this controversy about the high-fructose corn 00:17:37.70\00:17:39.66 syrup, you know, people are starting to get informed and starting to look at 00:17:39.66\00:17:42.33 this high-fructose corn syrup, you know, beginning not to trust 00:17:42.33\00:17:45.40 this. "You know, I hear so much about this. 00:17:45.40\00:17:47.96 " But the thing is that there is a move. there has been an 00:17:47.96\00:17:49.36 application in the U.S. 00:17:49.36\00:17:51.56 for that to be relabelled and it just says "corn sugar" you know, 00:17:51.56\00:17:55.10 or something similar. BILL: Oh my goodness. 00:17:55.10\00:17:58.03 DOCTOR: .so that people. but you know, sugar from corn doesn't 00:17:58.03\00:18:00.56 come in that form. 00:18:00.56\00:18:02.36 Sugar from corn is different. 00:18:02.36\00:18:05.86 To say that that is sugar from corn, it's saying half the 00:18:05.86\00:18:12.36 truth. And personally, I don't think it is wise to go in that 00:18:12.36\00:18:17.90 direction, but you know, governments will decide whether they will move in that direction 00:18:17.90\00:18:21.00 or not. 00:18:21.00\00:18:23.20 BILL: And really, our role here is really to increase some 00:18:23.20\00:18:25.03 awareness and have people. DOCTOR:That's right, yes. 00:18:25.03\00:18:27.60 BILL: .engage in that kind of discussion and do some of the 00:18:27.60\00:18:29.10 research and make the decisions for themselves. 00:18:29.10\00:18:34.16 Now, one other thing that seems to be an area of some confusion. 00:18:34.16\00:18:40.20 at least it is for me. is, then, what would be potentially some substitutes for. are 00:18:40.20\00:18:47.96 there healthy or better alternatives, for example, for 00:18:47.96\00:18:55.66 someone that, you know, wants to make a cake? 00:18:55.66\00:18:58.40 Is there something that they could add? 00:18:58.40\00:19:01.73 I mean, we hear about things like. I know a lot of the drinks 00:19:01.73\00:19:05.86 have aspartame, stevia, sometimes people talk about, 00:19:05.86\00:19:10.90 honey. How do those come into play in this whole sugar debate 00:19:10.90\00:19:17.90 and discussion? DOCTOR: Well, I think that the use of sugar in a form that is as natural as 00:19:17.90\00:19:27.03 possible in very small amounts. 00:19:27.03\00:19:31.83 I would say it is. I can't say it's safe, but it's much safer 00:19:31.83\00:19:40.00 than taking it in the amounts that people usually take. 00:19:40.00\00:19:43.26 You know, let's say, making a cake. 00:19:43.26\00:19:46.33 Making a cake occasionally when a person has a balanced diet, 00:19:46.33\00:19:54.50 exercises, eats plenty of fruit, vegetables, making a cake, you 00:19:54.50\00:20:00.30 know, it's okay. It's not. that is not what is going to cause you to become obese or to 00:20:00.30\00:20:09.60 develop heart disease or whatever, you know, if you have this balanced diet. 00:20:09.60\00:20:14.30 What happens is that people are just not making one cake; many 00:20:14.30\00:20:19.70 times, they are eating not. you know, they just go out and they buy the cakes and eat it 00:20:19.70\00:20:23.63 almost every day. 00:20:23.63\00:20:25.43 But their diet is also full of refined sugars. 00:20:25.43\00:20:27.43 It's high on fat. 00:20:27.43\00:20:31.33 And so you know, when you ask, you know, what other 00:20:31.33\00:20:35.80 substitutes. Okay, the substitution that needs to take place is in the mind, okay? 00:20:35.80\00:20:39.30 BILL: Right, okay. 00:20:39.30\00:20:41.90 [chuckle] Yeah, that's a good point. 00:20:41.90\00:20:43.43 DOCTOR: How am I going to live? 00:20:43.43\00:20:44.63 How am I going to live? 00:20:44.63\00:20:45.83 BILL: Right, okay. 00:20:45.83\00:20:47.96 DOCTOR: Now, I can take. you know, I can use two or three tablespoons less or 00:20:47.96\00:20:50.23 four tablespoons less of sugar here in this cake and say, 00:20:50.23\00:20:56.00 "Well, I'm going to use aspartame," or "I'm going to use this, I'm going to use that. 00:20:56.00\00:20:58.93 " But come on, what about all the others? 00:20:58.93\00:21:01.56 Okay, so we need to see this in perspective. 00:21:01.56\00:21:04.06 BILL: I see your point, yeah. 00:21:04.06\00:21:06.66 DOCTOR: Now, it is most likely not needed for somebody to use a 00:21:06.66\00:21:12.00 sugar substitute if a person has a healthy lifestyle. 00:21:12.00\00:21:17.03 The little sugar that can be put into a cake. BILL: Reduce the 00:21:17.03\00:21:20.46 amount of sugar, yeah. 00:21:20.46\00:21:22.70 DOCTOR: You know, even the two or three tablespoons for a big 00:21:22.70\00:21:24.53 cake, that is not going to be the problem. 00:21:24.53\00:21:26.56 But you know, that's the ideal. 00:21:26.56\00:21:31.30 Everybody to get a healthy lifestyle so that you can have 00:21:31.30\00:21:36.53 small amounts of sugar and not have to worry about that. 00:21:36.53\00:21:39.50 Now, if somebody really wants to know, you know, what about 00:21:39.50\00:21:43.66 aspartame, what about stevia? 00:21:43.66\00:21:45.33 The reports out there are confusing. 00:21:45.33\00:21:48.56 But let's say, aspartame. 00:21:48.56\00:21:51.80 Let's look at aspartame. 00:21:51.80\00:21:53.86 Aspartame has been associated with certain types of cancer. 00:21:53.86\00:21:59.96 And you know, people have a disease, for example, phenylketonuria, which 00:21:59.96\00:22:06.76 fortunately are rare. 00:22:06.76\00:22:09.10 You know, we don't have many people with that disease; it's a 00:22:09.10\00:22:11.30 rare disease. 00:22:11.30\00:22:12.66 They cannot take aspartame. 00:22:12.66\00:22:14.40 So aspartame is not a clean substance, okay? 00:22:14.40\00:22:17.56 So there are problems associated with that. 00:22:17.56\00:22:20.76 Whether the cancer relationship is really true or not, you know, 00:22:20.76\00:22:24.53 in animals, yes. 00:22:24.53\00:22:27.40 We know that in animals they are. 00:22:27.40\00:22:30.06 In humans, there have been regulations in the past saying 00:22:30.06\00:22:36.80 that if something has a connection with cancer in animals, humans shouldn't take 00:22:36.80\00:22:40.96 it. You know, it's a big controversy. 00:22:40.96\00:22:44.13 But the point is that aspartame is associated with some 00:22:44.13\00:22:49.16 problems. You take saccharin, for example. 00:22:49.16\00:22:51.33 Saccharin as well, that used to be much more common. 00:22:51.33\00:22:55.03 BILL: That was very popular, yeah, in the past. 00:22:55.03\00:22:56.73 DOCTOR: It's been discovered over 100 years ago. 00:22:56.73\00:22:57.83 It was very popular. 00:22:57.83\00:22:59.83 And then, you know, controversy came also related to cancer and 00:22:59.83\00:23:02.80 other problems, you know, headaches and so on. 00:23:02.80\00:23:07.53 There's a new kid on the block now, you know, which is stevia. 00:23:07.53\00:23:12.56 Stevia is a plant. 00:23:12.56\00:23:15.46 And again, if you take the plant and you put it there, probably 00:23:15.46\00:23:20.26 there is no problem, but if you take it in concentrated form, packed in pills, in 00:23:20.26\00:23:23.53 powder, all of that, we don't know. 00:23:23.53\00:23:26.10 It seems to be safe. 00:23:26.10\00:23:27.76 It seems to be safe, but we don't know. 00:23:27.76\00:23:31.56 Maybe in five years' time, we will be finding out And what 00:23:31.56\00:23:34.00 happens is that many people take a lot of it. 00:23:34.00\00:23:35.73 They make cakes, you know. 00:23:35.73\00:23:38.33 You can go to any supermarket and you find even the diabetic's 00:23:38.33\00:23:42.03 chocolate, you know, with these substitutes, these sweeteners. 00:23:42.03\00:23:46.26 But I go back to the same thing. 00:23:46.26\00:23:50.90 You know, in small amounts, it may not do harm. 00:23:50.90\00:23:54.73 But the problem is that people are taking it in huge amounts. 00:23:54.73\00:23:57.66 And they are not forfeiting. 00:23:57.66\00:24:01.10 Actually, they're not giving up the other practices, that if 00:24:01.10\00:24:05.83 they were dealing with that, they would have no problem 00:24:05.83\00:24:09.33 taking one or two teaspoons of sugar. 00:24:09.33\00:24:11.16 BILL: You know, we've just zipped through this. 00:24:11.16\00:24:13.63 I've got so many things. 00:24:13.63\00:24:16.06 But interestingly enough, I worked with a lady that was 00:24:16.06\00:24:18.10 going through a lifestyle change and she was giving up smoking 00:24:18.10\00:24:23.90 and sugar. And she said to me, "Giving up tobacco was much easier than giving up 00:24:23.90\00:24:29.43 sugar. 00:24:29.43\00:24:31.80 " DOCTOR: Because sugar can be addictive. 00:24:31.80\00:24:37.40 Okay, not just psychologically addictive. 00:24:37.40\00:24:41.16 Okay, you can become addicted to something that it's a habit. 00:24:41.16\00:24:43.66 You know, it's emotional and so on. 00:24:43.66\00:24:51.13 But sugar can be addictive, chemically can be addictive. 00:24:51.13\00:24:56.50 It has to do with dopamine. 00:24:56.50\00:24:58.86 Dopamine is a substance that. neurotransmitter in our brain 00:24:58.86\00:25:01.43 that gives us a sense of pleasure. 00:25:01.43\00:25:04.40 It gives us a. it makes us more capable of reasoning and so on. 00:25:04.40\00:25:12.90 And so these sugars and high sugar content foods can become 00:25:12.90\00:25:18.26 very addictive. You know, let's take chocolate, for example. 00:25:18.26\00:25:20.36 Chocolate has a huge amount of sugar. 00:25:20.36\00:25:22.66 Let's take, for example, the sodas, the cold drinks, or soft 00:25:22.66\00:25:27.26 drinks. Some of them can have up to twelve, twelve teaspoons of 00:25:27.26\00:25:33.83 sugar in them in one drink. 00:25:33.83\00:25:36.36 Twelve. 00:25:36.36\00:25:38.76 Depends where you are in the world, but up to twelve. 00:25:38.76\00:25:42.00 Who would ever think of taking twelve teaspoons of sugar one 00:25:42.00\00:25:47.56 after the other and taking it? 00:25:47.56\00:25:49.83 And a lot of this now is high-fructose corn syrup, okay? 00:25:49.83\00:25:53.56 It's not even sugarcane. 00:25:53.56\00:25:55.40 And you know, Coca Cola, for example. 00:25:55.40\00:25:58.00 It makes brands. it's one brand, but it makes different Coca Cola 00:25:58.00\00:26:03.83 depending where you are in the world, okay? 00:26:03.83\00:26:06.86 In some countries, they use sugarcane; in other countries, 00:26:06.86\00:26:09.63 they use high-fructose corn syrup. 00:26:09.63\00:26:12.53 The fact is that there is too much sugar in most of those drinks, if not all. 00:26:12.53\00:26:18.13 And now there is a move to say, "Okay, well, this is sugar-free. 00:26:18.13\00:26:22.46 We are going to substitute it with one of the sweeteners like 00:26:22.46\00:26:28.50 aspartame, like sorbitol," which is another sweet substance that 00:26:28.50\00:26:33.70 has nutritional value, but also some problems associated to it 00:26:33.70\00:26:37.16 and so on. BILL: We could do a whole series of programs on 00:26:37.16\00:26:40.23 this. DOCTOR: A whole program, yes. 00:26:40.23\00:26:42.00 BILL: Thank you. 00:26:42.00\00:26:43.46 The bottom line is the lifestyle change. 00:26:43.46\00:26:45.13 DOCTOR: Lifestyle, lifestyle, lifestyle. 00:26:45.13\00:26:46.73 BILL: Thank you, Doctor. 00:26:46.73\00:26:47.93 Let's pray. 00:26:47.93\00:26:49.80 Gracious loving heavenly father, we thank you for your love. 00:26:49.80\00:26:52.53 Please help those that are in the valley of decision for that 00:26:52.53\00:26:58.90 lifestyle change. Give them the courage and the strength to make the kind of changes that will 00:26:58.90\00:27:04.00 lead to living life and living it more abundantly. 00:27:04.00\00:27:05.26 In Jesus' name, amen. 00:27:05.26\00:27:07.76 DOCTOR: Amen. 00:27:07.76\00:27:09.10 BILL: You know, if you'd like some more information about how 00:27:23.20\00:27:24.66 you can make some of these lifestyle changes, we'd like to send you this magazine. 00:27:24.66\00:27:25.26 It's a wonderful resource. 00:27:25.26\00:27:30.50 Here is the information you need to get your copy. 00:27:30.50\00:27:33.16 Bill: Well, Doctor, that was another program. 00:28:06.36\00:28:08.03 Thank you for being here. 00:28:08.03\00:28:09.30 DOCTOR: You're welcome. 00:28:09.30\00:28:10.03 Thank you. 00:28:10.03\00:28:11.80 BILL: Thank you to our viewers also for joining us. 00:28:11.80\00:28:13.66 Remember the website, itiswrittencanada.ca. 00:28:13.66\00:28:16.93 We will be back next week, be the good Lord willing. 00:28:16.93\00:28:20.26 In the meantime, you remember, it is written: Man shall not 00:28:20.26\00:28:24.80 live by bread alone, but by every word the proceeds from the 00:28:24.80\00:28:29.13 mouth of God. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 00:28:30.90\00:28:31.26