>>Bill: On today's "It
Is Written" program, another
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installment in our
Live Healthy series with
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our specl guest Dr.
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Ferreira. Today, we'll
be looking at a study that
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suggests there is a link
between the consumption of
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red meat and cancer. I
hope you'll join us. "It
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>>Bill: Well let me
welcome all of our viewers
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to this weeks "It Is
Written" program. We're so
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happy that you have
joined us today and let me also
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welcome our special
guest.>>Dr. Ferreira
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Thank you. >>Bill:.Dr.
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Ferreira. Hey Doctor,
how are you? >>Dr. Ferreira:
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I'm fine. Thank you.
It's a pleasure to be here.
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>>Bill: It's good to have
you with us. You know, for
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the benefit of those
that may have never had a
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chance to see you on
one of our programs.you've
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been on a number of
times.maybe you can give
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us a quick biography
of who you are. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: Very quick.
I'm born of Portuguese
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descent. I was born
in Africa, in Angola, and
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lived there for a
while and then had to move
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because of the war. Went
to Portugal and then went
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back to Africa, but
then to South Africa, that's
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where I, that's where
I trained as a medical
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doctor. In Cape
Town and then worked as a
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missionary in Libya
and then from there went to
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the U.K. to the U.S. to
do some more studying on
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preventative medicine.
And now for the past 10 years
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we've been working in
Lisbon, in Portugal, with
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medical work and trying
to set up a clinic that will
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help people with
lifestyle modification
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to incorporate
better lifestyles into their
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lives. So, that's where
we are now. >>Bill: I know
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that your passion is
the prevention and the
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reversal of illness and
sickness in people's lives
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by their lifestyle. By
changing lifestyle. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: That right.
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And today we don't
think of prevention just as
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preventing things
from happening. We think of
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good lifestyle as a
matter of, it's treatment. It's
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part of the treatment.
So it can be a coagment, for
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example, in many types
of therapy. People should
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have a healthy lifestyle
Eat better. And then it
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seems that the
treatments do work better. So,
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I do believe in a
better lifestyle. Yes. >>Bill:
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Well I do believe that
that's exactly what God
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desires for all of
his children. We live life
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and we live it all
more abundantly. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: Yeah.
>>Bill: made reference in the
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introduction to this
study.>>Dr. Ferreira: Yes.
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>>Bill:.Harvard Medical
School study that I think,
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you know, confirmed, at
least for me not being a
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physician and not
being part of research, you
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know, what anecdotally
I believe to be true, that
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eating, consuming more
red meat is dangerous. But,
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you know, it caused
quite a stir, I think, this
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study. I know as soon as
I saw it, I emailed it to
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you right away... >>Dr.
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Ferreira: I saw that.
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>>Bill: ...saying we
need to talk about this.
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Let me, I'm just going
to quote a couple things
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from it, okay? Is
that.it starts by saying that.
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Again, I'm not sure that
catches anyone off guard,
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at least not viewers
of our program. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: That's right.
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>>Bill: .that have
been watching in all the
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segments that you have
been talking about risks
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of red meat, but, you
know, it, this has created
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quite a stir. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: We've known
this for quite some time. I
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remember there was a
large study funded by the NIH,
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National Institute of
Health in the States. It
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is called the NIHAARP,
American Association for
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Retired Persons, so what
they did.that was started
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in 1995. What they did,
they sent out three and a
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half million
questionnaires to retired
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people, okay? So they
asked them about their
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lifestyle, you know their
eating habits and all that
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and then what happened
was that they followed these
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people for 10 years.
So, in 2005, 10 years later,
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here's what they found
They found that people who
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ate a high calorie,
about 2000 calories diet per
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day, and ate about
five ounces of red meat a
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day they had a risk of
dying over 10 years 30%
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higher..>>Bill:
Oh my goodness. >>Dr.
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Ferreira:.than people
who ate fewer calories and
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ate an average of about
two-thirds of an ounce of
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red meat per day. Which
is, you know, two-thirds
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of an ounces,
that's probably a hamburger
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and a half per week.
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So, you find these
big differences. Thirty
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percent higher risk. So
we've known this for some
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time and now the
relationship is there. And
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there, very specifically,
although it, I believe it
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does affect other
cancers but now the data that we
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have it sort of hones
on to colorectal cancer
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That's a, that's a big
one. It's maybe.>>Bill:
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For those consuming a
lot of red meat. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: For those
consuming a lot of red
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meat. There's also a
link with pancreatic cancer.
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There is a possible
link to breast cancer,
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especially in
premenopausal women. And
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so, the relationship
is there. Now, why does it
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happen? Well, let's, we
can talk about that for a
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while but they're
different ideas. >>Bill:
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The study seemed to
suggest that one of the
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correlations was in
the saturated fat. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: That's right,
yes. >>Bill: Particularly
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with the unprocessed
meats. With the processed
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meats the elevated
levels of sodium made that
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reference. Is that
something that.>>Dr.
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Ferreira: That's right.
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Yes. The red meat is
usually a meat that is
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high is saturated fat.
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Unlike fish which is
higher in polyunsaturated
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fatty acids. So the red
meat, the type of fat that
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red meat has is not the
best type of fat for us.
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So that's a given.
We've known that for a long
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time. But it seems to
go further than the fat.
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>>Bill: Not just
the saturated fat. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: I don't
think it's just the saturated
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fat. You know, the
study is showing that there's
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something else, okay?
Now, let's take, for example,
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the compounds or
the chemicals that are
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produced when we
charcoal broil meat, which
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barbeques are very, very
common.>>Bill: Yes. >>Dr.
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Ferreira:..in many
parts of the world. They're
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common in North
America and they are common in
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Western Europe,
they're common, for example, in
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South Africa. It's
very common every weekend
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to have what we call
a 'brae', okay, which is
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what we call a
barbeque So, it seems that, and
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there is a .that has
been known for quite a while,
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that broiling, charcoal
broiling the meat produces
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chemicals, okay, the
mixture of the protein and
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nitrates, nitrates
present in the meat, present
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also in certain types
of vegetables, they combine
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and they form what are
called nitroso compounds,
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okay? Which are very
carcinogenic. So when we
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put meat on the barbeque
we must be aware of that.
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You know, and it needs
the high temperature. So, it
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needs high temperatures,
it needs the protein, it
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needs the, for
example, when fat falls onto
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the coals and then what
happens? It burns and then
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that smoke comes
up.>>Bill: Yes. >>Dr.
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Ferreira:.and so the
meat is not only charcoal
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broiled, it is also
smoked, okay. >>Bill: Yes.
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Okay. >>Dr. Ferreira:
So, that smoke goes onto the
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meat and it carries
those dangerous substances.
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Okay, so it's and
these nitroso compounds, they
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seem to increase the
risk of certain types of
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cancer. And why red meat?
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Red meat is rich in
what we call hemoglobin okay
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It's a type of, or
heme iron, it's a type
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of iron, the compound
that incorporates the iron that
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is present in red
meat. And that's also
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a co-factor in the
production of those
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carcinogenic substances
so, you know, there's a
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lot to it. It's not just
the fat. It's other things
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related to the red
meat and now, we'll talk
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about that a little
bit later, we're finding a
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relationship between
red meat and cancer by via
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a completely different
pathway which is viruses.
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>>Bill: Okay, we want
to get to that but I think
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you made an
extremely important point here
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Because if the issue
is focused only on the
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saturated fat the tendency
is for folks to say, well
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then I'm just going to
buy leaner cuts of meat. Or if
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they say well, the
problem is the antibiotics that
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they have to inject
well, I'm just going to go buy
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organic, you know,
grown, you know, meat, you know,
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from a local farm, no
antibiotics. But if you're
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saying even in the cooking
of it. I mean, it's almost
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as, it sounds to me as a
lay person almost it's an
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unavoidable risk. >>Dr.
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Ferreira: Pretty much
so, yes. >>Bill: I mean, it's
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there. It's, you
can't really get away from
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it outside of looking at
potentially an alternative
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to the red meat. I
mean, am I exaggerating that
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>>Dr. Ferreira: It's
there. We can eat less
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fat, meat with less fat
People can say, well, let
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me go to the white
meats, the turkey, the chicken
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And it is true that
this stage there seems not to
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be a correlation
between that and cancer but the
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studies, they're very
confusing. Because people
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who usually choose
the white meats, they
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are often more
health conscience. Okay, so,
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there may be
other things that may be
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protecting.>>Bill: Oh,
I see what you're saying.
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>>Dr. Ferreira:.against
cancer so, even though,
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while doing these
studies we trying and, sort of,
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dissect all of these,
it's impossible. Because the
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reality is that people
who eat that, the white meat,
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often have a healthier
lifestyle. >>Bill: Got it.
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>>Dr. Ferreira: So, you
can't say well, the white
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meats do not cause cancer
at this age. There is very
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little that goes in
that direction but I
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personally, my
personal belief is it's a matter
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of time and perhaps
better designed studies then we
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will have that.
>>Bill: Now, you've raised
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something here that I
don't think I'd ever heard
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of, that you were
saying that the correlation
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between red meat and
cancers but via viruses
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>>Dr. Ferreira:
Viruses, yes. >>Bill: Now, I had
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never heard this before.
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>>Dr. Ferreira: Yes.
Now, we do know that viruses
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can be associated with
certain types of cancers.
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For example, we know
that Hepatitis B virus and
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Hepatitis B infection is
a very common infection for
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people who've survived
acute Hepatitis attack.
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So, they can continue to
be carriers and so on but
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we know that people who
have Hepatitis B infection
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they are at a higher
risk of developing cancer of
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the liver. So, the virus
itself changes the DNA of
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the cells, the liver
cells and makes them at higher
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risk of having cancer
later on in life. And it
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can take years. It can
take 10 years, 15 years,
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20 years, 25 years, okay.
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Now, recently, more
recently we know that the
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Human Papilloma Virus
is one of the causative
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effectors in cancer of
the cervix, in women. Okay,
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and we know that
there's now a new vaccine.>>Bill
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Yeah, okay, so that's
what that vaccine, that's where
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that vaccine, okay.>>Dr.
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Ferreira: So what
happens is that the vaccine
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against Hepatitis B
is reducing the number of
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cases of liver cancer
resulting from Hepatitis
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B infection. Immunization
against HPV is lowering
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the number of cases
of cancer, of cervical
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cancer. So we've known
that the relationship is
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there. Now, in fact,
we've known that about 20% of
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all cancers have got
a relationship with some
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type of infection.
It's not all lifestyle. It's
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not all, well, lifestyle
includes behaviours and
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behaviours can be high
risk and low risk so it's
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just not a matter of
eating. So, infections,
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we've known that for a
long time. It seems that
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these numbers are about
to grow because there is
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epitilogical studies
recently and there's a
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very nice, very
simple, but very nice report
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that was published in
the International Journal of
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Cancer just in, just a
few months ago, December
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2011; and where Professor
Houseman, he was a Nobel
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Prize winner.>>Bill:
Okay. >>Dr. Ferreira:.for
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medicine in 2008, and
he came up and he looked at
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all the data and he
said, you know, there is enough
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evidence here to
suggest there is an infectious
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process in colorectal
cancer, so cancer of the
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colon and the rectum,
and to suggest that there is
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viral implications.
So, it's complex and he's a
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virologist himself so,
he's a, you know, very,
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very into that and now
other reports are coming
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out with that. So, the
idea is this. Viruses that
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are present in beef,
okay, and do not usually cause
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disease in the animals,
as we eat the meat we are
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ingesting these viruses
And these viruses have the
00:15:51.86\00:16:00.36
ability to produce changes
in the body incorporating
00:16:00.36\00:16:01.43
part of their DNA into
our DNA and then later one, it
00:16:01.43\00:16:04.26
may not be the
following week, or the following
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month, or the following
year, but later on, could
00:16:08.26\00:16:09.30
be years it can turn
these normal cells of our
00:16:09.30\00:16:11.96
bodies, you know, we're
talking about the colon,
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it can turn them
into malignant cells. And
00:16:16.83\00:16:17.76
so now there's a lot
of exploration now in that
00:16:17.76\00:16:23.06
area and I believe that
in the next few years we'll
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be seeing more and
more studies in this area
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>>Bill: Wow. That's, I,
you know, you say that's
00:16:28.86\00:16:32.73
been around. That's
something that I'd never,
00:16:32.73\00:16:35.70
I'd never heard before.
00:16:35.70\00:16:36.36
I mean we do come
across, every so often,
00:16:36.36\00:16:39.76
individuals that,
you know, you know have
00:16:39.76\00:16:40.70
extremely
healthy lifestyle and you
00:16:40.70\00:16:45.26
sometimes wonder, I'm
not suggesting that this is
00:16:45.26\00:16:47.96
the cause but you
wonder sometimes, 'man,
00:16:47.96\00:16:48.86
the person's got such
a healthy lifestyle' but
00:16:48.86\00:16:50.96
in a particular case I
know right now of rectal
00:16:50.96\00:16:54.63
cancer. Wow, the
person has a healthy lifestyle
00:16:54.63\00:16:55.66
and looks after themselves
and I get some of these
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things we just don't
know >>Dr. Ferreira: We don't
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know. And these are
just a few things we do know
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but my guess is that a
lot that we don't. >>Bill: But
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we're always talking
about reducing risk, reducing
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the risks and eliminating
those things that we can,
00:17:14.96\00:17:16.10
that we know are
going to beneficial.>>Dr.
00:17:16.10\00:17:20.90
Ferreira: That's right,
yes. >>Bill:.you know, are
00:17:20.90\00:17:22.86
going to help us.
00:17:22.86\00:17:23.26
And so, that is, that is
very interesting. So, the
00:17:23.26\00:17:28.80
virus's carried within
the actual beef, the red meat,
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being transferred to
the actual person that's
00:17:29.90\00:17:33.73
consuming that. >>Dr.
00:17:33.73\00:17:34.20
Ferreira: Yes. That is
present in bovines, you
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know beef, and you
know, one could think that
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although there is no
data for this but one could
00:17:46.30\00:17:47.30
think that this is
also happening with poultry,
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with chicken and ducks
and so on. Because if you look
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at how animals are
raised today, animal husbandry,
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okay, if you look at
how cows are raised and how
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chickens are raised it's
just incredible to see the
00:18:05.60\00:18:09.60
amount of stress
these chickens are under in
00:18:09.60\00:18:10.56
a poultry farm.>>Bill:
Right. >>Dr. Ferreira:
00:18:10.56\00:18:15.00
mean, within a few
weeks they are ready to be
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killed and sold and
for that to happen they
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need to be overfed;
overstimulated to grow,
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with lights so that
a natural hormone is
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produced so that they
grow faster; they have to be
00:18:30.56\00:18:31.63
given, you know,
because they are so stressed in
00:18:31.63\00:18:36.00
such a confined space,
the food that they eat may not
00:18:36.00\00:18:40.40
be what they'd normally
eat outside, you know, the
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high protein, many
times they include, actually,
00:18:41.46\00:18:46.53
they include animals
in the food that they feed
00:18:46.53\00:18:52.96
the chickens and the
cows and so on. And so, they
00:18:52.96\00:18:54.00
are under a lot of
stress and so these chickens
00:18:54.00\00:18:57.36
under a lot of stress
they're just like humans.
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They do get sick. And in
order to prevent them from
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dying from those
simple illnesses like mild
00:19:00.60\00:19:06.23
infections that in a
normal chicken might not
00:19:06.23\00:19:09.96
cause any problems,
they are given either
00:19:09.96\00:19:10.90
antibiotics and
antifungals, you know,
00:19:10.90\00:19:14.53
to treat and
sometimes they are given
00:19:14.53\00:19:18.66
prophylactically,
actually many times. Even before
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they get sick they're
just given so that they don't
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get sick. So, chickens
are produced under this
00:19:23.86\00:19:27.26
environment and no
wonder, you know, a lot of
00:19:27.26\00:19:28.23
infections they're just
a pea tree dish, they are
00:19:28.23\00:19:33.20
incubators for infections,
then we go and eat the
00:19:33.20\00:19:36.76
meat. So, I wouldn't
be surprised that these
00:19:36.76\00:19:37.73
results would not be
shown only for red meats but
00:19:37.73\00:19:41.50
in a few years' time
we'll be talking about the white
00:19:41.50\00:19:44.83
meat as well. So, and it
is clear, the relationship
00:19:44.83\00:19:45.86
is at least now for the
red meat. >>Bill: Nowadays
00:19:45.86\00:19:53.43
I, you know, I've
stopped eating red meat and the
00:19:53.43\00:19:58.30
reality is it really
isn't that tough. I mean there's
00:19:58.30\00:19:59.40
the taste that, you
know, you like but any grocery
00:19:59.40\00:20:07.30
store you go into
today you find so many other
00:20:07.30\00:20:13.43
non-animal based
proteins and you know,
00:20:13.43\00:20:14.26
so many options. So
many cookbooks; so many
00:20:14.26\00:20:23.26
restaurants offering
vegan or vegetarian options. I
00:20:23.26\00:20:31.33
mean, 30 years ago when
my mother, 35 years ago,
00:20:31.33\00:20:32.33
became a vegetarian,
you know, it was a challenge
00:20:32.33\00:20:35.53
in a lot of places her
getting some options. But
00:20:35.53\00:20:40.03
nowadays really.>>Dr.
00:20:40.03\00:20:40.70
Ferreira: No. It's common.
00:20:40.70\00:20:41.23
It's found everywhere.
00:20:41.23\00:20:44.06
>>Bill: It's everywhere
you go. There's, you know,
00:20:44.06\00:20:45.13
there's options for us. I
know there's a lot of fear
00:20:45.13\00:20:47.63
for folks, you know if
I'm going to cut out my red
00:20:47.63\00:20:51.30
meat where am I going to
get my protein from? Iron
00:20:51.30\00:20:52.40
Maybe you could talk a
little bit about some of
00:20:52.40\00:20:55.83
those perceptions. >>Dr.
00:20:55.83\00:20:56.30
Ferreira: Yes I can.
Yes, yes. You know in fact,
00:20:56.30\00:21:00.10
we're finding that
the iron, the idea that we
00:21:00.10\00:21:07.13
need to get a lot of
iron to be healthy. That idea
00:21:07.13\00:21:08.13
has been dethroned. In
fact, it can work against
00:21:08.13\00:21:14.03
you. The more iron you
have, the more risk, for
00:21:14.03\00:21:20.73
example, for cancer,
diabetes, and so on. So
00:21:20.73\00:21:21.70
that, so we need iron
but we need a reasonable
00:21:21.70\00:21:26.43
amount of iron. We
don't need a lot of it and too
00:21:26.43\00:21:31.20
little is not too good.
00:21:31.20\00:21:31.73
And you can find other
sources of iron. You take,
00:21:31.73\00:21:36.30
for example, you take
soy, you take dark green leafy
00:21:36.30\00:21:37.36
vegetables, they do
have iron. And there are many
00:21:37.36\00:21:46.96
other suggestions. Just
go on Google and put iron
00:21:46.96\00:21:53.13
sources in plant-based
diets or something like
00:21:53.13\00:21:54.13
that and you'll have
lists of that. So, iron is not
00:21:54.13\00:22:00.36
a problem. There's iron
in vegetables and it's a
00:22:00.36\00:22:05.50
slightly different iron.
00:22:05.50\00:22:06.00
Well, the iron is the
same but the way it's packaged
00:22:06.00\00:22:11.13
it's slightly
different but the body can use
00:22:11.13\00:22:12.10
it, okay. So, about
the protein, well, that's
00:22:12.10\00:22:15.06
even easier. You have,
for example, very good sources
00:22:15.06\00:22:20.06
for people who are
lacto-ova vegetarians, of
00:22:20.06\00:22:21.00
course the dairy
and the eggs are rich in
00:22:21.00\00:22:26.00
protein; and so for
those who wish not to be lacto
00:22:26.00\00:22:31.80
vegetarians they would
prefer something without
00:22:31.80\00:22:32.76
any animal products
for whatever reason it
00:22:32.76\00:22:36.30
is, okay, there are good
sources. For example, soy
00:22:36.30\00:22:39.60
is a very good source
of protein. >>Bill: Okay.
00:22:39.60\00:22:40.70
>>Dr. Ferreira: The
soy bean, it's an excellent
00:22:40.70\00:22:44.73
bean. It even has more
protein than the normal
00:22:44.73\00:22:50.16
beans and it's well
balanced. Soy is actually
00:22:50.16\00:22:51.13
a well-balanced protein.
00:22:51.13\00:22:55.43
And then you've got
derivatives from soy. For
00:22:55.43\00:22:56.40
example, tofu, which is
one of them and you've got
00:22:56.40\00:22:59.13
soy milk and even the soy
alternatives to meat. They
00:22:59.13\00:23:07.26
taste almost like meat.
00:23:07.26\00:23:07.80
Often are not the best
ones because they put a
00:23:07.80\00:23:14.23
lot of fat in them but
they are good alternatives
00:23:14.23\00:23:15.36
and you've got the beans.
00:23:15.36\00:23:18.93
>>Bill: And even if
someone was transitioning,
00:23:18.93\00:23:19.93
it's a nice transition
phase. >>Dr. Ferreira:
00:23:19.93\00:23:21.80
Exactly. You know,
sometimes when I travel we
00:23:21.80\00:23:25.76
go for a picnic with the
family I take some sausage
00:23:25.76\00:23:26.80
made from soy and it
makes a very nice hot dog and
00:23:26.80\00:23:29.50
the kids love it. They
feel they're not missing
00:23:29.50\00:23:34.70
out on anything that
their friends are taking. So,
00:23:34.70\00:23:35.76
there are alternatives
and they're not needed for
00:23:35.76\00:23:43.26
people to eat red meat
>>Bill: Now, there's one
00:23:43.26\00:23:47.00
of the B vitamins, is it
B12 or B6? >>Dr. Ferreira:
00:23:47.00\00:23:48.16
B12. >>Bill: B12, okay.
00:23:48.16\00:23:50.00
>>Dr. Ferreira: B12
is only present in animal
00:23:50.00\00:23:50.96
products. >>Bill: So
how would someone get that
00:23:50.96\00:23:53.93
if not in.>>Dr.
Ferreira: If they're lacto-ova
00:23:53.93\00:23:56.20
vegetarian and they're
taking an egg, you know,
00:23:56.20\00:23:57.16
three times a week
and yogurt once or twice
00:23:57.16\00:23:59.56
a day and milk, so that
shouldn't be a problem. We
00:23:59.56\00:24:04.50
need so little that, you
know, like the equivalent
00:24:04.50\00:24:05.60
of two cups, two
glasses of milk or a glass of
00:24:05.60\00:24:09.36
milk and a yogurt,
that's enough for the lacto
00:24:09.36\00:24:16.20
vegetarians. For total
vegetarians I recommend
00:24:16.20\00:24:17.20
that you get fortified
food. For example, we can
00:24:17.20\00:24:22.30
soya milk or almond milk
that's been fortified with
00:24:22.30\00:24:25.66
B12. So, that's an easy
alternative here. Or what
00:24:25.66\00:24:26.70
I actually recommend and
do it myself, that's a B12
00:24:26.70\00:24:31.66
supplement. You need
very little B12. But twice a
00:24:31.66\00:24:37.63
week or once a week
you take just enough and it
00:24:37.63\00:24:38.66
should cover you. Talk
to your doctor. Go to your
00:24:38.66\00:24:44.50
doctor and say I want
to do this, I want to be a
00:24:44.50\00:24:49.40
vegetarian or whatever,
I'm worried about my B12
00:24:49.40\00:24:50.40
what do you recommend?
And they will prescribe
00:24:50.40\00:24:53.73
some. you can get over
the counter as well. So
00:24:53.73\00:24:57.20
that's, today is not a
problem, 20 years ago, 25
00:24:57.20\00:24:58.30
years ago, yes, it would
be more difficult. >>Bill:
00:24:58.30\00:25:01.90
Lots of options, you
know, what we need is the, you
00:25:01.90\00:25:08.23
know, the power of
the Holy Spirit because I
00:25:08.23\00:25:09.20
don't think willpower
alone is enough. I think
00:25:09.20\00:25:15.20
you need power, the
power that.>>Dr. Ferreira:
00:25:15.20\00:25:17.56
That's right, yes.
00:25:17.56\00:25:18.00
>>Bill:.God gives to
say listen, these are the
00:25:18.00\00:25:22.03
kinds of changes
that you need to make and
00:25:22.03\00:25:22.96
preferably you make
them before, before you are
00:25:22.96\00:25:25.23
sick. >>Dr.
Ferreira: Before it's too late.
00:25:25.23\00:25:27.06
>>Bill: Yes, before
it's too late. And so, that's
00:25:27.06\00:25:28.03
what.so listen, our
time just zips right past.
00:25:28.03\00:25:31.53
>>Dr. Ferreira: Yes, yes.
00:25:31.53\00:25:32.03
>>Bill: We appreciate,
always appreciate your
00:25:32.03\00:25:33.70
insights. Let's have a
word of prayer with our
00:25:33.70\00:25:36.36
viewers. Gracious,
loving, heavenly Father we thank
00:25:36.36\00:25:37.40
you for your love and
your kindness, your mercy you
00:25:37.40\00:25:40.96
show upon each and every
one of us. Father, I pray
00:25:40.96\00:25:44.40
for those that right
now they listen to this and
00:25:44.40\00:25:45.40
they say these are the
kinds of changes I need to
00:25:45.40\00:25:48.73
make in my life.
Father, may you send your Holy
00:25:48.73\00:25:52.46
Spirit to them the
power and the courage and
00:25:52.46\00:25:53.40
motivation to make the
kinds of changes because
00:25:53.40\00:25:58.70
what you want for each
of your children is that we
00:25:58.70\00:26:01.63
live life and we live
it more abundantly. Please
00:26:01.63\00:26:02.80
Father get us to
that point. I pray
00:26:02.80\00:26:06.23
in Jesus' name. Amen.
00:26:06.23\00:26:06.70
>>Dr. Ferreira: Amen.
00:26:06.70\00:26:08.70
>>Bill: You know, to
help you begin to make some of
00:26:24.20\00:26:25.23
these lifestyle changes
and incorporate into your
00:26:25.23\00:26:30.26
life some of the things
you've been hearing on the
00:26:30.26\00:26:32.53
program we'd like to
make some resources available
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00:26:36.63\00:26:40.33
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>>Bill: Well, doctor,
that's it. That's the end
00:27:49.50\00:27:50.50
of the program. Thank
you so much for being here.
00:27:50.50\00:27:53.16
Thank.>>Dr.
Ferreira: You're welcome.
00:27:53.16\00:27:54.73
>>Bill:.you for your
counsel. >>Dr. Ferreira:
00:27:54.73\00:27:55.76
It's been a pleasure.
00:27:55.76\00:27:56.76
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