>>Bill: John Robert Wooden
was an American basketball
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player and coach.
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Nicknamed the "Wizard of
Westwood , he won ten NCAA
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national championships
in a 12-year period - seven
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in a row - as head
coach at UCLA. Within this
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period, his teams won
a record 88 consecutive
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games. He was
named national coach of
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the year six times. In
his book "Wooden" he tells the
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following story:
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>>ANNOUNCER: IT HAS
STOOD THE TEST OF TIME...
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GOD'S BOOK, THE BIBLE.
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STILL RELEVANT IN
TODAY'S COMPLEX WORLD.
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IT IS WRITTEN . . .
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SHARING MESSAGES OF
HOPE AROUND THE WORLD.
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I can assure you what
is true of a mule, is true
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with people. Paul says
the fruit of the Spirit
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is "gentleness." It is a
word that is more commonly
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translated "meekness."
It is the same word that is
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used in Matthew,
chapter five, where Jesus said,
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"Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the
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earth." Incidentally,
it's too bad that the meek have
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not already inherited the
earth, because the un-meek
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are making a real mess
of it. Someone has pointed
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out that courage is not
in Paul's list of the fruit
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of the Spirit. But we
should recognize that it
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takes courage to be
gentle in the midst of all the
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evil surrounding
us in this world.
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We have begun a journey
through the Fruit of the
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Spirit outlining Galatians
chapter five and today we
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are continuing our
study with Gentleness. And
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joining me are my two
guests, Gerard Oudri and
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Mark Johnson. Welcome,
both of you, to the It Is
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Written program. >>Pastor
Mark: Thank you. >>Bill:
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And let me welcome our
viewers to that faithfully
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tune in every single week.
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Well, we have embarked on
a journey a few weeks back
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where we have been
looking at what Paul says are
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the external, if we would,
manifestations of what the
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Spirit has done in
the heart of the followers
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of Jesus Christ. And
he contrasted the Fruit of
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the Spirit with the
deeds of the flesh. And we
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thought this was an
interesting study for our
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folks and you graciously
agreed to join us. Now,
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both of you are pastors
Pastor Oudri, you pastor
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the Bronte Seventh-Day
Adventist Church. Tell us
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a little bit about your
church and maybe there's a
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website folks can.>>Pastor
Oudri: Aolutely. Well,
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thank you so much for
having me again in your
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program. We've been at
the Bronte Church, Bronte
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Seventh-Day Adventist
Church since September of
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2010 and enjoying the
journey there. We have
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a great group of people.
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It's a very friendly
church located between
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Oakville and Burlington.
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And we do have a
website, Brontesda.org and we
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invite viewers to visit
our website. >>Bill: Thank
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you Pastor Oudri. And
Pastor Mark Johnson it is
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a real thrill to have
you here and we're happy
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that you accepted our
invitation. >>Pastor Mark:
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I'm delighted. Pastor
Mark Johnson is the President
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of the Seventh-Day
Adventist Church in
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Canada. Pastor Mark,
tell us a little bit about
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you. >>Pastor Mark:
Well, I have had the joy and
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privilege of working
as a Seventh-Day Adventist
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minister across Canada
in every administrative unit
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basically from
Ontario going west to British
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Columbia and now it's my
joy to be able to travel,
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really, across this vast
nation of ours and see how
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God has been leading in
the lives of individuals
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all over the place. And
truly that is a wonderful
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opportunity and God
is doing great things
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for people, just in
people's lives, everyday
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experiences and so on. My
wife doesn't get to travel
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with me quite so much
now a days but we keep in
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touch through the
miracle of Skype and things like
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that. >>Bill: (laughter)
Well, that's wonderful.
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Well, let's get down
into our study of gentleness
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or, commonly translated,
meekness, right? So much
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for that assertiveness
training I just signed up
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for. (laughter) When it
says here it's the meek,
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it's gentle. So,
let's talk about this. What
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could you gentlemen tell
me about this, about this
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gentleness that Paul
talks about? How does this play
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itself out? Why is it
important? Or what is it?
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>>Pastor Oudri: I think
that, first before we even
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go into, specifically,
gentleness there was
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something that when I
was reading this text that
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'gently' was two
things, the scope and the source
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of these attributes.
The scope, by that I mean I
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think that everybody
would like to enjoy these things
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and so no matter what
your faith is or even if you
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don't have any faith in
anything. But I think the
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difference is the source
and Paul clearly says that
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these are Fruits of
the Spirit. So if I want to
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experience these things
in my life it's only through
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the Spirit. And so the
meekness, the gentleness
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that we are called
to experience, it's only
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a Fruit that comes as
a result of the Spirit of
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God being in us. >>Bill:
So not a man-made. I can't
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stand there and say,
okay, from this day forward now
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I'm gentle. Pastor
Oudri: Precisely. >>Bill: Yeah.
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It is in what the
Holy Spirit has done on the
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inside. >>Pastor
Mark: Well I think I've seen
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somebody try that once
or twice. >>Pastor Oudri:
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(laughter) >>Bill:
How successful was that?
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>>Pastor Mark:
Usually just for a few minutes
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>>Bill: That's right.
Now, what is this meekness?
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What is that? I mean,
because to be honest the
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world would say the
exact opposite. I mean that
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Jesus said, "Blessed are
the meek", the world would
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say, 'No, blessed are
those, the go-getters. The
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ones that are aggressive.
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There's something out
there, you go get it. You
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don't wait for anybody
else to give it to you'
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Right? But yet, Paul
is saying, when the Holy
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Spirit is inside you're
going to present meekness
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or gentleness.
Doesn't sound like a winning
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characteristic
according to the standards of
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the world. >>Pastor
Mark: Yeah, I think, Bill, that
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one of the big
things is that the enduring
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qualities of people that
we know. I think we revere
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people who we see have,
really, kind of, their act
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together, in a sense.
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I suppose we would call
it that one of the people who
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had a tremendous impact
on me as a young adult was a
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woman that I met over
the Philippians many years
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ago. And she was just
one of the kindest, most
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gentle individuals that
I had ever met. Tremendous
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care for people
around her. And I think that
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sometimes when we think
in terms of gentleness it's
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the antithesis, if you
please, of the aggressive
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approach people take in
trying to get themselves
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ahead and begins to
think about the other person. I
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find that interesting
because Christ puts me in
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a position where I
think about others and how my
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life impacts on the
other person before I spend
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time, I think, thinking
about myself. >>Bill: And
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in that service to
others you, in fact, become
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elevated. >>Pastor Mark:
That's true. Yes. >>Pastor
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Oudri: I think, also,
that Paul is not talking about
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false humility. And,
by the way, I'm using the
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word 'humility' I
think that it is.>>Bill: It's
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probably synonymous also.
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Yeah. >>Pastor Oudri: Yes.
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Related, closely related.
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I think it was the
great philosopher, Aristotle
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that used, defined
meekness or humility
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between two extremes
Anger and indifference. In
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other words, you have
power, if you may, to act
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but you choose to be
in between, to wait, to
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be patient. And I found a
verse in Psalms, Psalm 45,
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verses 3 and 4,
talking about God and talking
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about how God is
patient or humble. And we all
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believe that He is
all powerful.>>Bill:
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Absolutely. >>Pastor
Oudri:.and He chooses to
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be humble. But look at
the context here, Psalm 45,
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verses 3 and 4, it says,
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So you see the context
of glory and majesty and,
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almost like, war and
power but in humility. What
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a contrast. >>Bill:
So, the gentleness and the
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meekness is not contrary
to power, right? So, we're
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not surrendering power,
right? By being meek and
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by being gentle. Go ahead.
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>>Pastor Mark: Well, the
thing, and you know, that
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made me think about
this passage earlier in the
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fifth chapter of
Galatians, there's also a
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list that, I think,
we're all familiar with which
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are the results of
living a natural life, the works
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of the flesh as the Old
King James would call it
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And as I look
through that list in verses
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19 and on, it talks
about characteristics which are
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totally in opposition
to the characteristics of
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the Spirit-led individual.
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>>Bill: Right.
>>Pastor Mark: And I read things
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like, you know, it
talks about idolatry and
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witchcraft and we,
kind of, pass over that but
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when we think in terms
of things like wrath or
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strife and all of these
kinds of things you can't
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be gentle and be
engaged in these, kind of, angry
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situations that are
described in that earlier
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text. And so the beautiful
thing that I find about
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the way that the
Spirit works is, it takes
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something which
is destructive to
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relationships, destructive
of forward-thinking in
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many things and replaces
that with something which
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is so uncharacteristic
of individuals. As a little
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boy my grandfather was
one of the gentlest people
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that I have ever met.
My mother, who grew up in
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that home, told me and
other people who knew my
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grandfather that before
he met Christ and became a
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Christian individual,
that he was an individual who
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really was, you know,
full of profanity, full of
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stuff, hard to get
along with. But he became
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changed because Christ
came in and gave him a new
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heart, a new way of
looking at stuff. And
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to me, that's exciting.
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>>Bill: Absolutely.
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>>Pastor Mark: Because
this is almost a miracle
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text, in the sense.
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I couldn't pull it off
>>Bill: Yes. Absolutely.
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>>Pastor Mark:.but
Jesus can. >>Bill: Now, you
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know, but the world
will say - I mean we have
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viewers right now
saying but, yeah, there you
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Christians go again.
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You know, you're becoming
doormats. You know, you're
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just going to let - is
that, that's not what it's
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saying? That's not,
that's not what this refers to.
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It's not being a doormat.
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It's not letting
people take advantage of
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you. What's, where's that
difference occur? >>Pastor
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Oudri: I was just thinking
about a story that I heard
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about George
Washington and how one day there
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were three soldiers and a
corporal. And the corporal
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was giving orders and
they were supposed to lift
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a tree or something and
he was just giving orders,
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'Come on you soldiers
1-2-3 do it'. But he was
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not helping at all.
And this man came and says,
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'Why aren't you helping?'
And he said, 'well, I'm a
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corporal' and so he
didn't say anything and he went
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and helped and he happened
to be George Washington.
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I don't think that he
was being a doormat by doing
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that. It's simply the
humility, the gentleness
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that even though I'm
in a high position but I'm
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imitating Christ.
And, like him, He chose to
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leave Heaven behind
and become one of us and
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become a servant. And
that was Christ. >>Bill: Now,
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when I go to the bank
and that bank teller makes a
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mistake on my deposit
or, boy, I'll tell you it's
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hard to be gentle.
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>>Pastor Mark: It doesn't
come naturally. >>Bill: It
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doesn't come naturally.
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So, for a viewer that's
watching saying, oh, okay,
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I want to exhibit this
in my life. I mean, I think
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folks,
intellectually, understand that
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gentleness, you know,
meekness, humility, that
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helps in relationships.
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That makes for a stronger
marriage, it makes for a
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better parent-child
relationship.>>Pastor
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Mark: Sure. >>Bill:.it
makes for a better working
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relationship. Yeah, I
think, intellectually, I
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mean we can grasp that.
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The issue is okay,
how does that happen? Paul
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says, okay, it's
the Fruit of the Spirit.
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We've talked about
your grandfather going
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through.so I've got a
viewer sitting here going
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I need that in my life.
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What do they do?
>>Pastor Mark: I think the good
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news is that the way
that I understand the Spirit
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working is that God
takes us where we are. And
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we are not where God
would like us to end up and yet,
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He's okay with that.
And He begins to work within
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us to help us become
sensitive to the parts
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that are not there that
He's talking about. As I
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find myself spending
more time in the word of God
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and reading what it has
to say, it paints a picture
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of Christ which is a
realistic picture of a
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person who had flesh
and blood. Who had the
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capacity to live life
in a contentious society
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and yet was able to
say hard things to people
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sometimes.>>Bill: Right.
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>>Pastor Mark:.in a
nice way. >>Bill: Right.
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>>Pastor Mark: And that,
I think, is the part that's
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terribly hard because
we come out of church or
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wherever we happen to
be and the question is, now
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that I'm out of
this particular sacred
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environment, how am I
supposed to live between
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the weekends in a way
that looks anything like what
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God wants me to do?
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>>Bill: Yes. >>Pastor
Oudri: I love gardening.
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When spring and
summer come I really enjoy
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gardening and there
is a key word here, the
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Fruit of the Spirit. And,
obviously, you cannot have
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fruit unless you plant
a seed. And you have to
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take care of the plant
otherwise you're not going
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to have any fruit. And I
was thinking of the story
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of Nicodemus that came
to Jesus at night. And he
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was a pharosy and
poorly admired and respected by
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the people around him
but something was missing in
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his life. So,
even religious leaders
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sometimes very often
miss the mark. I am a pastor
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and I can speak about
that. And so, basically,
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Jesus says you need to be
born again. Be born of the
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water and of the
Spirit or of water and of the
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Spirit. So, I see that
as planting a seed. And that
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is about our relationship
with Christ. That's the
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only way that that
can happen and we have to
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maintain that. If we want
that Fruit and we want all
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of these attributes
and now we're talking about
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gentleness,
meekness, humility. But it is
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not only hard, it
is impossible for us to
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experience, humanly
speaking, then we need to
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plant the seed and
take care of the plant
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and take care of the
that relationship with Christ.
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>>Bill: Yeah. Leading up
to this chapter five here
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in Galatians, Paul
has been going through
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some pretty difficult
situations. >>Pastor Mark:
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Sure. >>Bill:.here.
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>>Pastor Mark: Absolutely,
absolutely. >>Bill: And
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has had to be
rather forceful, you know,
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sometimes, you know, how
he presented his message.
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This humility, this
recognizing that, you
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know, we are children
of God, we are servants of
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God. We have, sometimes,
the inability to place
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ourselves in second place,
right? And consider others
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and recognize, recognize
that. >>Pastor Mark: Sure.
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One of the key
issues, I think, in
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the New Testament is
this discussion of how my life
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affects the life of
other people. In fact, I think
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about the passage
that says, "Don't let
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your liberty become the
stumping block for someone
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else". And as I
think about the role of a
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Christian in society,
whether he's surrounded
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by other Christians or
whether he is living in a
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world where Christianity
is not a dominant force is
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question is, how do I
live in the knowledge that
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there is a God who is
interested.>>Bill: Yes.
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>>Pastor Mark:.in
everything I do? >>Bill:
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Right. >>Pastor Mark:
And is very interested in the
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way that I relate to
other people. Even when I am in
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disagreement with
individuals have I learned
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how to disagree in a
kind way? Because I discovered
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when people get angry
with me I don't take them that
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seriously. When
individuals are nice and,
00:18:41.80\00:18:42.70
yet, firm in what they
have to say about things
00:18:42.70\00:18:47.73
when they have an
issue, I pay more attention to
00:18:47.73\00:18:52.26
that. And I think that
that's something that is a
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part of how we are wired.
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And God knows that.
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And God wants us to
demonstrate in real time
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what it would be like
to be around an individual
00:19:02.86\00:19:04.00
who maybe, in some
little way, reflects
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the character of
Christ >>Bill: Now, what would
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our society or communities
be like if all of those
00:19:12.36\00:19:13.43
that claim to be followers
of Jesus Christ exhibited
00:19:13.43\00:19:18.80
gentleness, meekness,
and humility in their daily
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lives? >>Pastor
Oudri: Imagine that. And it
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interesting, you were
talking about Paul, that
00:19:24.83\00:19:30.40
even when dealing with
other Christians he was
00:19:30.40\00:19:33.90
not talking, he had
many conflicts with people
00:19:33.90\00:19:35.00
from outside.>>Bill: Yes.
00:19:35.00\00:19:36.30
>>Pastor Oudri:.of the
Christian church but also
00:19:36.30\00:19:37.30
from inside. >>Bill: Yes.
00:19:37.30\00:19:39.73
Absolutely. >>Pastor
Oudri: But even with them,
00:19:39.73\00:19:40.73
in Corinthians and
even in Ephesians, he says,
00:19:40.73\00:19:42.26
you know, 'I come
with gentleness and with
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humility and that.
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So, that's a challenge
for all of us to follow in his
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steps. >>Bill: Gentlemen,
we've run out of time. I
00:19:52.03\00:19:53.13
appreciate your insights.
00:19:53.13\00:19:58.86
Henry Moorhead was an
evangelist who lived over
00:19:59.50\00:20:00.50
a hundred years ago.
He was a contemporary of
00:20:00.50\00:20:04.56
Dwight L. Moody. He became
famous not so much for his
00:20:04.56\00:20:06.93
sermons, but for his
text because the only text
00:20:06.93\00:20:07.93
usually he would
ever preach on was John
00:20:07.93\00:20:13.20
3:16. Henry Moorhead
was preaching in a Welsh
00:20:13.20\00:20:18.53
mining town among some
of the roughest, toughest,
00:20:18.53\00:20:19.66
meanest men in all of
Wales. God was moving in
00:20:19.66\00:20:22.96
a mighty way. There was
a man named Ike Miller who
00:20:22.96\00:20:26.83
lived in that town. Ike
Miller was a drunkard, a
00:20:26.83\00:20:27.83
blasphemer, a brawler,
and a bully. He was the
00:20:27.83\00:20:31.70
toughest of the tough;
the meanest of the mean, and,
00:20:31.70\00:20:35.70
in a town that feared
no one, everyone feared Ike
00:20:35.70\00:20:36.66
Miller. Ike Miller
hated preachers, and he hated
00:20:36.66\00:20:40.96
church more than he hated
anything else. When he got
00:20:40.96\00:20:46.33
wind of the revival that
was going on in the little
00:20:46.33\00:20:47.50
tabernacle at the end
of town, he sent word to
00:20:47.50\00:20:50.53
Henry Moorhead that if
he preached that night, he
00:20:50.53\00:20:53.53
was personally going
to come to the church and
00:20:53.53\00:20:54.50
pistol whip him, and
then run him out of town. Now
00:20:54.50\00:20:58.33
Ike Miller was not a
man of talk, he was a man of
00:20:58.33\00:21:03.13
action, and if he said
it he meant it. Some of
00:21:03.13\00:21:04.13
the Christian men
went to Henry Moorhead out
00:21:04.13\00:21:09.03
of love and concern, and
tried to dissuade him from
00:21:09.03\00:21:13.70
preaching that night.
They begged him to simply call
00:21:13.70\00:21:14.76
the meeting off. But
Henry Moorhead refused and said,
00:21:14.76\00:21:18.20
"I am going to preach
the gospel and trust God."
00:21:18.20\00:21:22.63
Well, that night the
little tabernacle was
00:21:22.63\00:21:23.50
packed. Miller was
nowhere to be seen and the crowd
00:21:23.50\00:21:28.13
was kind of relieved,
but as Moorhead got up to
00:21:28.13\00:21:32.23
preach, the door burst
open, and big burley Ike
00:21:32.23\00:21:33.20
Miller came walking in.
He sat down with his arms
00:21:33.20\00:21:38.10
folded, glaring at
the preacher with a killer
00:21:38.10\00:21:41.60
look that said, "You say
one word, and I'm going to
00:21:41.60\00:21:42.63
beat you within an
inch of your life." Henry
00:21:42.63\00:21:47.06
Moorhead, unruffled,
simply began by reading
00:21:47.06\00:21:52.16
John 3:16. Then he
began to preach on the love of
00:21:52.16\00:21:53.26
God, the life of
Jesus, the joy of eternal
00:21:53.26\00:21:57.70
life. When he finished,
Ike Miller hit his feet.
00:21:57.70\00:22:03.66
Everyone just stared in
awe and fear, wondering if
00:22:03.66\00:22:04.73
he was going to carry
out his threat. But instead,
00:22:04.73\00:22:08.66
he simply walked out
of the building. As Ike
00:22:08.66\00:22:12.53
walked back toward
his home, some of his old
00:22:12.53\00:22:13.50
friends called out from
the bar to join them for
00:22:13.50\00:22:16.43
a drink. But to their
surprise, this time Ike
00:22:16.43\00:22:20.90
did not join them; he
just kept right on walking. He
00:22:20.90\00:22:21.96
walked down a little dirt
road; came to a little one
00:22:21.96\00:22:26.56
room cottage surrounded
by a little rickety fence. He
00:22:26.56\00:22:29.90
walked through that
fence door and then opened
00:22:29.90\00:22:30.86
the door to his house
and stepped in. There he
00:22:30.86\00:22:33.46
met his frail wife and
two children. Those two
00:22:33.46\00:22:37.66
children ran like
frightened mice and hid
00:22:37.66\00:22:38.56
under the bed. His
little wife cowered down waiting
00:22:38.56\00:22:41.50
for another beating from
a drunken profane husband.
00:22:41.50\00:22:46.73
But there was to be
no beating this time. Ike
00:22:46.73\00:22:47.70
Miller looked at his wife
and said, "Woman, you have
00:22:47.70\00:22:51.43
nothing to fear. Get the
kids and bring them here.
00:22:51.43\00:22:56.40
We are going to pray."
She said, "What did you say?"
00:22:56.40\00:22:57.46
He said, "Bring the
kids here right now, we're
00:22:57.46\00:23:01.86
going to pray." Well,
she went, got the kids out
00:23:01.86\00:23:06.23
from under the bed;
they came in there trembling,
00:23:06.23\00:23:07.20
hiding behind her skirt.
00:23:07.20\00:23:11.46
He looked at those kids
and barked, "Kneel down."
00:23:11.46\00:23:12.50
They knelt. He looked
at his wife and said, "You
00:23:12.50\00:23:17.76
too!" She knelt. Then
for the first time in their
00:23:17.76\00:23:23.03
life, they saw their
daddy do something they thought
00:23:23.03\00:23:24.10
they would ever see
him do. He knelt down.
00:23:24.10\00:23:27.23
He tried to pray. He
said, "Oh God..." and then there
00:23:27.23\00:23:33.93
was dead silence. Because
Ike Miller didn't know how
00:23:33.93\00:23:35.00
to pray. He didn't know
what to say. He knew how
00:23:35.00\00:23:40.56
to curse; he knew how
to yell and scream, but he
00:23:40.56\00:23:44.43
didn't know how to pray.
00:23:44.43\00:23:44.93
He tried again. He
said, "Oh Lord..." But again
00:23:44.93\00:23:48.93
there was dead silence.
00:23:48.93\00:23:49.46
He was so embarrassed,
and then he remembered a
00:23:49.46\00:23:53.10
prayer his mother
taught him when he was just a
00:23:53.10\00:23:54.06
little boy, and this is
what that big giant of a
00:23:54.06\00:23:59.40
man prayed: Gentle
Jesus, meek and mild Look upon a
00:23:59.40\00:24:05.00
little child; Forgive
my simplicity And suffer me
00:24:05.00\00:24:06.06
to come to Thee. At
that moment Ike Miller, the
00:24:06.06\00:24:12.83
drunkard, the brawler,
the blasphemer, the wife
00:24:12.83\00:24:19.56
abuser, the womanizer,
was born again. Pastor Johnson
00:24:19.56\00:24:20.66
would you lead us
in a word of prayer.
00:24:20.66\00:24:27.60
>>Pastor Mark:
Father, thank you for letting
00:24:28.03\00:24:29.00
us know you have all
the resources of Heaven to
00:24:29.00\00:24:32.06
come and help us to live
a new life. Be with us each
00:24:32.06\00:24:37.56
as we seek to follow you.
00:24:37.56\00:24:38.10
And as we travel toward
your kingdom give us the
00:24:38.10\00:24:45.03
strength so that
day-by-day we become more
00:24:45.03\00:24:45.90
like Christ. In
His name we pray.
00:24:45.90\00:24:50.53
Amen. >>Bill: Amen.
00:24:50.53\00:24:50.96
>>Pastor Oudri: Amen.
00:24:50.96\00:24:53.43
>>Bill: You know, if
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>>Bill: Well
Pastor's thank you so much for
00:26:25.20\00:26:26.16
joining us here.
Pastor Oudri remind us of your
00:26:26.16\00:26:28.36
churches website. >>Pastor
Oudri: Absolutely. Thank
00:26:28.36\00:26:31.83
you. You can
visit our website at
00:26:31.83\00:26:32.53
www.brontesda.org. >>Bill:
And you guys are on Bronte
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Road between, just
north of Upper Middle Road,
00:26:38.16\00:26:42.73
right? >>Pastor
Oudri: Absolutely. So, if you
00:26:42.73\00:26:43.70
take the QEW going to
Niagara Falls or going to
00:26:43.70\00:26:46.33
Toronto go north and you
hit the church in no time.
00:26:46.33\00:26:49.60
>>Bill: Wonderful.
Pastor Johnson our viewers
00:26:49.60\00:26:50.56
probably don't know
but you are the Chairman of
00:26:50.56\00:26:55.43
the It Is Written
Canada board and, in essence,
00:26:55.43\00:26:57.80
you're my boss. And
so.>>Pastor Mark: What
00:26:57.80\00:26:58.73
a privilege. >>Bill:
(laughter)We appreciate
00:26:58.73\00:27:02.20
you and the leadership
you have brought to the church
00:27:02.20\00:27:06.80
in Canada. Any
closing words you have for our
00:27:06.80\00:27:07.76
viewers? >>Pastor
Mark: I'm excited about the
00:27:07.76\00:27:11.00
fact that Jesus is
coming again. That's why this
00:27:11.00\00:27:15.76
program is on the air.
00:27:15.76\00:27:16.26
And that's what life is
all about. To be able to
00:27:16.26\00:27:21.80
figure out how to
relate the fact that we're not
00:27:21.80\00:27:22.80
going to be here forever.
00:27:22.80\00:27:26.00
Jesus is coming soon.
00:27:26.00\00:27:26.50
>>Bill: Even so, come,
Lord Jesus. >>Pastor Mark:
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Amen. >>Bill: Let me
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