>>Bill: Well, he's back
by popular demand. Randy
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Ruggles is with us.
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Today's topic,
"Does God Exist?" We'll be
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back in just one moment.
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>>ANNOUNCER: IT HAS
STOOD THE TEST OF TIME...
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GOD'S BOOK, THE BIBLE.
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STILL RELEVANT IN
TODAY'S COMPLEX WORLD.
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IT IS WRITTEN . . .
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SHARING MESSAGES OF
HOPE AROUND THE WORLD.
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>>Bill: Well let me
welcome all of our viewers
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to our program this week.
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Thank you for joining
us and here at the table
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with me is Randy Ruggles.
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Randy, welcome back.
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>>Randy: Thanks for having
me Bill. >>Bill: It's good
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to have you. You know, I
said at the intro, back by
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popular demand, and I
have to tell you that your two
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appearances previously
have created quite the
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stir. >>Randy: Have they?
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>>Bill: Yes. Folks are
very excited about your
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presentations and we
thought, well, it would be
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great to have you, to
have you back. So thank you for
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accepting that.
>>Randy: You're welcome. >>Bill:
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So, our topic today -
we don't have a whole lot
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of time if we want to
get through it - "Does God
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Exist"? Now, let me
just, right off the bat, say
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something as, sort
of, a disclaimer, right
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>>Randy: Sure. >>Bill:
You're not a scientist.
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You make that perfectly
clear that you're not a
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scientist. >>Randy:
Correct. >>Bill: You're a
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marketer, a
journalist, in fact, your
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book "Evolution: Fact or
Fiction?" we'll show that
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a little bit later, but
is available at your website,
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right? >>Randy: Yup.
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Evolutionfactorfiction.com
>>Bill: .com. They can get
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that there but, you
know, you researched this
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and it's a passion of
yours I think. >>Randy:
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Definitely. Definitely.
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>>Bill: And, so, let's
get into the presentation.
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>>Randy: Sure. Yeah.
This time we're not talking
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about evolution, per
say, but I'm big on evidence
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for the existence of
God as well. And so we're
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doing some logical and
scientific arguments for
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the existence of God.
And I do this because I like
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to talk to atheists
often, people who don't believe
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in God, and you
can't really start with the
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Bible with them
because they don't believe the
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Bible is the inspired
Word of God. So imagine
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yourself if you were
having a discussion with
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a number of the
Islamic faith and they started
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quoting the Koran,
it wouldn't make any
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difference to you.
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So, this is a way that
Christians can meet people
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where they are and, if
they're not a believer,
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meet them on their
own terms as far as
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giving them logical and
scientific evidence. I do
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like to start off
with a Bible verse though
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and.>>Bill: Sure.
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>>Randy:.we start off
with, "Without faith it is
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impossible to please
God because anyone who comes
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to Him must believe that
He exists". So, obviously,
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before you can have a
relationship with someone
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you must believe that
they exist. Just like you
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can't have a relationship
with your wife unless you
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believe she exis.
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>>Bill: Yes. >>Randy:
Now, so we're going to look at
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three arguments for
the existence of God.
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The first is called the
'Cosmological Argument';
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the second is the
'Teleological Argument'
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which is just a fancy
word for design; and then the
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'Moral Argument'.
>>Bill: Okay. >>Randy: But first
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we're going to define a
few terms. >>Bill: Okay.
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>>Randy: And I always
like to, when I'm talking to
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an atheist, first
define 'proof' and 'faith'. And
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when I do that because
they will always say, 'if
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you can prove to me
that God exists, then I'll
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believe'. And so I
point out to them, if
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you actually look at
a dictionary definition,
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first of all, 'proof'
is evidence that compels
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acceptance by the mind
by a truth or a fact. And,
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first of all, we just
say in the verse from the
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Bible that its
evidence that compels acceptance
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Well, you can't please
God with faith. So there
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is some measure of
faith involved but I also like
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to show them that
there really is a myth about
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scientific proof. I
have a quote here from
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'Psychology Today' that
says, "contrary to popular
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belief there is no
such thing as a scientific
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proof. Proofs exist only
in mathematics and logic.
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Anyone who uses proof,
prove, and proven in their
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discussion of science
is not a real scientist"
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Pretty strong words but
I always like to clarify
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that I can't give you
proof that God exists but
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I can give you evidence.
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>>Bill: Okay. >>Randy:
And a few examples, evidence
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is always interpreted.
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I just want to show a few
examples that we've talked
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about before,
similar bone structures are
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often interpreted
by evolutionists for
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common ancestry.
>>Bill: Right. >>Randy: But a
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creationist's
interpretation is that
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it's for intelligent
design. >>Bill: Right.
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>>Randy: We look at
the fossil record and an
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evolutionist says
that's evidence for evolution,
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we say it's evidence
for a global flood. >>Bill:
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Flood. Right.
>>Randy: S we all have the same
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facts, we all have
the same evidence it's
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just that, it's
being interpreted.>>Bill:
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Interpreted differently.
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>>Randy: Exactly. And
so that's what we want to
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make, to get across when
we're having a discussion
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with an atheist.
>>Bill: Okay. >>Randy: Now, in
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regards to faith,
'faith' means complete trust or
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confidence in someone
or something or firm belief
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in something for which
there is no proof. Notice
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it didn't say for
which there is no evidence.
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So, because it says
there is no proof and science
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doesn't provide
absolute proof, even science
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requires some measure
of faith. And so, I have
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a quote to that affect.
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Max Plank, a very
famous physicist said, "Anybody
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who's been seriously
engaged in scientific work
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of any kind realizes
that over the gates to
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the temple of science
are written the words, yee
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must have faith. It
is the quality which the
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scientist cannot
dispense with". Now, we're going
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to go into the three
arguments that I talked
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about. First of all,
just show you logical argument
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structure. All of
our arguments will be
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structured in what's
known as a syllogism, two
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propositions or
premises and a conclusion that
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follows logically
from those premises. So, as
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an example, we'll look at
'All Men are Mortal'. Bill
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Santos is a man
therefore Bill Santos is mortal.
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>>Bill: I would agree.
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>>Randy: Okay, good. Good.
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(laughter) That
follows, the conclusion follows
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logically from the.>>Bill
Yes. >>Randy:.first two
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premises. >>Bill: Yes.
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>>Randy: Okay. So, in
our first argument, the
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Cosmological
Argument, which really has to do
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with the existence of
the Universe, we say whatever
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has a beginning or comes
to exist has a cause. The
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Universe had a beginning,
came to exist therefore
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the Universe had a cause.
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That cause is God. So
to show you evidence for
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the first premise
that everything that had a
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beginning had a cause,
I show none other than the
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inventor of the scientific
methods, Sir Francis Bacon
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said, "True knowledge
is knowledge by causes".
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In fact, the whole idea
behind science is really
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it's a search for causes.
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Another famous quote I
use is from skeptic David
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Hume, who said, "I
never heard so absurd a
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proposition that
something could arise without
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a cause". So scientists
acknowledge that science
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is a search for causes.
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Anything that has a
beginning has a cause.
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Now, we're going to go
into the second premise
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as being evidence that
the Universe has a beginning.
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Now, I'm sure you've
been sitting at a railway
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crossing before and
you've seen a train go by
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and you've heard the
sound that it makes. It goes
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"Neeeeeooooowwwww". The
pitch changes as it goes
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past. Now, what
happens is what's known as the
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Doppler Effect.
You've probably heard of
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that before. And what's
happening is as the sound
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ways are coming toward
you they're compressed and the
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pitch sounds higher and
then as the train is going
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past you the sound waves
are elongated or stretched
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out and it gives you a
lower sound. >>Bill: Okay.
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>>Randy: Now, the
reason that's important is
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because the same
thing happens to light. You
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have, as something
is going away from you
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it appears red and
as something is coming
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towards you it appears
blue. It's called 'the red
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shift and the blue shift'.
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Now, again, why is
this red shift important is
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because back in the
1920's Sir Edwin Hubble, the
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Hubble telescope was
named after - you probably
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heard that. >>Bill: Yes.
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>>Randy:.was named after
him. He discovered in the
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20's that looking out
into a distant galaxies they
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appeared to be red
shifted toward the red end of
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the spectrum and what
that indicated to him was that
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everything in the Universe
was rushing away from each
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other at a very fast
rate of speed. >>Bill: Okay.
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>>Randy: And, again,
why that means something
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is because if you could
videotape the history of
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the Universe and
rewind the tape you would see
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that everything is
rushing away from each other, so
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if you could rewind it
it would appear to come back
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to one point.
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And that indicates that
if everything comes back into
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one point then it
must have had some finite
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beginning in the past.
And so, that is important as
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to why we know that the
Universe had a beginning.
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It's evidence for the
Big Bang. Now, don't get me
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wrong, I don't believe
in the timescale of the Big
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Bang. They say that
the Big Bang happened 13.72
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years ago. We're going
to look at evidence that the
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Universe and the
Earth were actually quite
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young. But I did want to
point out that in the Old
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Testament there
are actually 14 verses
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where it says 'the Lord
stretched out the Heavens'
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and I believe that He
was referring to the this
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expanding Universe that
was predicted in the Bible
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long before modern science
caught up and realized it.
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I have a quote here from
Arno Penzias, who was, he
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was credited with,
he won a Nobel Prize for
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discovering what was
known as the 'echo' from the Big
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Bang and he said the
best data we have concerning
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the Big Bang are
exactly what I would have
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predicted had I nothing
to go on but the 5 books of
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Moses, the Psalms, and
the Bible as a whole. >>Bill:
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Wow. >>Randy: Yeah.
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Fascinating. And
even Steven Hawking said,
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"There was therefore a
number of attempts to void
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the conclusion that
there had been a Big Bang.
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Many people did not
like the idea that time has a
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beginning probably
because it smacks at Divine
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Intervention. They knew
that if the Universe had
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a beginning then it
must have had a beginner.
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>>Bill: Right.
>>Randy: And all scientists
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including Einstein himself
tried to avoid the idea of
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a beginning. They wanted
the Universe to be eternal
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and then they didn't
need to have an explanation,
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they could say it had
always been there. >>Bill:
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Right, yeah. >>Randy: So,
again, getting back to why
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all this is important
is the Big Bang implied the
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beginning of time,
space and matter. It all came
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into existence at once,
it's a continuum. But if
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time, space, and
matter came into existence at
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some point in time in the
finite past then the cause
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of the Big Bang
because everything that has a
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beginning requires a
cause, the cause itself
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of the Big Bang must
be outside of time, space,
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and matter.
Therefore it must be timeless,
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non-spacial, and
immaterial. Now, that is
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not, again, not a proof
for God by any means but
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it's starting to
sound suspiciously like the
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Judeo-Christian God
of the Bible, correct?
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>>Bill: Yes. >>Randy:
Now, atheists will always
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ask at this point, so
if everything needs cause,
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who caused God? Now
first of all, I'd like to point
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out that the argument
is not that everything
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needs a cause, it's
that everything that has a
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beginning needs a cause.
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>>Bill: Oh I - good point.
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>>Randy: And what I
always point out to them is that
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if I could answer
that question and say, if I
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could give you an
answer and say okay, something
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caused God and then
you'd say, well, what caused
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that? And then if I
could give you an answer, then
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you'd say well, what
caused that? And we'd
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have what's known as
an infinite regression, it
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just means that we
could go on to an infinity and
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we'd never get an answer.
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So the only way that
I've ever seen out of infinite
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regression there is that
we must come to terms with
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the idea that something
must be eternal. And as
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far as I know the only
two things that have only been
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proposed to be eternal
are the Universe itself
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or God. And we now
know through evidence of the
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Big Bang that the
Universe is not eternal. So that
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only leaves one choice
and so therefore, God is
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the uncaused cause of
the Universe. Another thing
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they will say, well
first of all, you can tell them
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that it's known as
a category mistake and
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logic. It's like
saying to whom is the bachelor
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married? Or how many
sides does a circle have? You
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know a bachelor by
definition is unmarried
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and a circle by definition
has no sides and God by
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definition is uncaused.
He is eternal. So that's, you
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know, we can point out to
them that they're actually
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making a fallacious
mistake there. A category
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mistake. But they will
also ask you sometimes,
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well, why not many God's?
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How do you we know that
it's your God? How do we
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know that it's the God
of the Christian Bible? And
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I always appeal to what
is known as the 'Ockham's
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razor'. There was a man
named William Ockham who
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basically said that
the simplest explanation is
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usually the best one.
I'm not sure why it's called
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'Awkman's Razor', it may
be that he came up with it
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while shaving in the
morning but he said the
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simplest explanation
is the best one. Entities
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should not be multiplied
unnecessarily so I will
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often say to an atheist,
why postulate many God's
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when one God will do.
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>>Bill: One God will do.
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Would answer the question.
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>>Randy: Okay, now
let's go on to argument two.
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>>Bill: Okay. >>Randy:
It's called teleological
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argument and like I
said that's just means an
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argument of design.
There are many different
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arguments from design
out there but we're going to
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look at one known as
the 'anthropic principle'
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which I will explain
what that means in a second.
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If the Universe
exhibits evidence for design, it
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requires a designer.
The Universe appears to be
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designed therefore the
designer must exist. That
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designer is God. Now,
what the anthropic principle is
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it comes from the
Greek work 'anthropos'
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meaning 'man'. We
have anthropology which is
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the study of man. We have
philanthropic which is the
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love of man. And so
really what the anthropic
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principle is saying is
the Universe appears to
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be finely tuned for
life, especially human life, to
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exist. And I'm going
to give you some examples
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here. Earth has even
been referred to as the
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'goldilocks planet' if
you remember the story.
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>>Bill: Okay. >>Randy:
Not too hot, not too cold,
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just right. >>Bill:
Just right. >>Randy: So a
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few examples of the
fine tuning, specifically of
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our Solar System is that
the Earth's distance from
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the sun is just right
that if it were just a little
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closer to the sun
water would boil off, no life
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could exist but if Earth
were just a little further
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away.>>Bill: It would
be solid. >>Randy: Solid
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ice. >>Bill: Solid ice.
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>>Randy: Solid ice,
exactly. The Earth's
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rotation speed at 23
hours and 56 minutes that gives
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us our seasons.
Which again, if the Earth
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rotated too slowly it
would end up one side of
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the Earth would be
facing towards the sun for too
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long and it would end
up cooking everything to a
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crisp. Earth's axial
tilt of 23.5 degrees that
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actually is what gives
us our seasons. >>Bill: Our
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seasons? >>Randy: Exactly.
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Yeah. So that whenever
you look at a globe it's
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always tilted over like
that and that makes it so
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that no area of the
Earth again is too hot or
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too cold for too long.
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The properties of water
themselves are very unique
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in that water happens to,
when it freezes, it floats
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rather than it gets,
rather than sinking to
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the bottom. If water
acted like other liquids that
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we know of it would
sink to the bottom, it would
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freeze, and our lakes
and oceans would rapidly fill
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up with ice and all the
little fishies would die
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and there would no
life on Earth. The size and
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position of the moon.
The moon is important because
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it's again the right
distance from Earth and
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it's the right size
that first of all it helps to
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stabilize our axis and
it helps to create the tides
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It refreshes the oxygen
in the ocean which again
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allows life to exist. And
finally, there is the size
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and orbit of Jupiter.
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Jupiter is the
largest planet in our Solar
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System, it's huge
but happens to be on the
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outside and the
reason that is important is
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because Jupiter acts
like a cosmic vacuum cleaner.
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There's all kinds of
space dust, and comets, and
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asteroids flying
around and it sucks them in so
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that we're not
constantly bombarded with these
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things and makes life
impermitable. And so, for
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an earth-like planet
they need to have all these
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conditions plus many,
many others that have.>>Bill:
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For life to be able to
exist. >>Randy: Exactly.
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And so, that's what
we call the anthropic
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principle. Now, one of
the objections to anthropic
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principle that an
atheist will give is, well, the
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Universe is what it is
because if it weren't we
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wouldn't be here
talking about it. And, to me,
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that's a little
unsatisfying in that if
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you were the lone survivor
of a plane crash and, you
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know, you're the only
one that survives say out of
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100 other people and
then the media asks you, 'Wow,
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you were the only one
that survived. What, you know,
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what happened? Why did
you survive?' And you say,'
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Well, if I didn't
survive I wouldn't be here
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to answer your
question.' It's not really a
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satisfactory answer. They
would still end up looking
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for some reason
that.>>Bill: Some cause.
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Right, right.
>>Randy: They're still going to
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look for a cause. Exactly.
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Things don't happen
by chance. >>Bill: Yes.
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>>Randy: They'll also
say, 'why not an infinite
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number of universes?'
You've probably heard
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about the multi-verse
theory that's been banding
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about lately. And what
they're actually saying
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there is maybe this
whole idea of fine tuning is
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just an illusion and
maybe what's really happening is
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that there are trillions
or billions or an infinite
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number of other universes
out there that all have
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slightly different values
to them and then by chance
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you're going to happen
to get one where the values
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are just right for life
to exist and that happens
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to be the one that we
live in. And so they will
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invoke this multi-verse
theory and I have a very
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interesting quote by a
gentleman here, Bernard
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Carr, and he said, 'If
there is only one universe
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you might have to have
a fine tuner. If you don't
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want to have a
God, you'd better have a
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multi-verse.' So you'll
find over and over again
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that a lot of
atheists are, you know, they're
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trying to avoid the
whole problem of the anthropic
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principle and fine
tuning of the Universe by
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invoking the
multi-verse >>Bill: Multi-verse.
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>>Randy: Yup. Let's go
on to argument three, it's
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called the moral
argument and that's if God
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doesn't exist, objective
moral values don't exist.
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Objective moral
values exist therefore God
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exists. Now, first of
all, I should explain that this
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argument is not by any
means saying that atheists
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can't be moral. I know
many atheists who probably
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lead good moral lives
better so than even some
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Christians. So, we're
not trying to say that
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atheists aren't
good people or that they
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can't be moral. What
this argument demonstrates is
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that when you don't
have God in the equation then
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you can't, you have no
foundation and for saying
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what is right and what
is wrong it really just
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comes down to your opinion
>>Bill: Right. >>Randy: We
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have a quote here
from Romans 2:15, that says
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"They demonstrate that
God's law is written in
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their hearts, for
their own conscience and
00:16:18.70\00:16:22.50
thoughts either
accuse them or tell them they
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are doing right." So
the Bible itself says that
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even atheists know
that, they know what is right
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and what is wrong. Now,
Richard Dawkins, one of my
00:16:29.73\00:16:30.80
favorite guys to quote
off of, and he admits in the
00:16:30.80\00:16:35.90
God delusion, 'It's
pretty hard to defend absolutist
00:16:35.90\00:16:38.06
morals on grounds other
than religious ones'. So
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even Dawkins is
admitting that absolute morals
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generally come
from religion.>>Bill:
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Religious. >>Randy:.or
a belief in God. >>Bill:
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Okay. >>Randy: Now then
you'll always get people
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at this point who will
say.>>Bill: There are no
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absolutes. Right.
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>>Randy:.there are
no absolutes. >>Bill:
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Everything's relative.
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>>Randy: And I say to
those people, 'Well, are
00:16:54.86\00:16:56.80
you absolutely
sure?' Because what they're
00:16:56.80\00:16:57.73
doing is they're making
an absolutely statement that
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there are no absolutes
And, really, what they're
00:17:00.53\00:17:02.73
doing is making an
argument that is what's
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known as self-refuting,
self-defeating. It
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doesn't live up to its
own standard. Just like if I
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said to you, I don't
speak a word of English, would
00:17:09.33\00:17:10.36
you believe me?
>>Bill: No. >>Randy: No because
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I just spoke to you in
English. So that's when
00:17:13.96\00:17:15.56
they're saying there's
no absolutes you can show
00:17:15.56\00:17:16.56
them that what
they're saying is demonstrably
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false. But we go on
from here and I have a quote
00:17:18.70\00:17:24.90
from C.S. Lewis, the
very famous atheist who became
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a Christian later in
life, and he said, "My argument
00:17:25.93\00:17:28.70
against God was that
the Universe seems so cruel
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and unjust but how had I
got this idea of just and
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unjust. A man does not
call a line crooked unless
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he has some idea of a
straight line. What was I
00:17:35.73\00:17:39.50
comparing this
Universe with when I called it
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unjust?" And so, even
he recognized that in order
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to have some kind of
moral standard you've got to be
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appealing to
something transcendent. >>Bill:
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Yeah. Something standard.
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>>Randy: Yeah. Something
outside of humanity unless
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it's just your opinion.
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>>Bill: Absolutely right.
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>>Randy: Quote Richard
Dawkins again, he says,
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"The Universe we
observe has precisely
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the properties we
should expect. If there is
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a bottom, no design,
no purpose, no evil and no
00:17:59.00\00:18:02.50
good, nothing but blind
pitiless indifference. DNA
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neither knows nor
cares, DNA just is and we dance
00:18:03.56\00:18:07.10
to its music". And I'm
going to reference these
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in a second but we
have one more quote from
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another atheist named
Peter Atkins and he said,
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"Free will is merely the
ability to decide and the
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ability to decide is
nothing other than the
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organized interplay of
shifts of atoms". So what
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they're doing is,
they're notice that they have to
00:18:20.36\00:18:23.83
not deny the
existence of good and evil, they
00:18:23.83\00:18:24.80
have to deny the
absolute existence of morals and
00:18:24.80\00:18:26.76
they have to deny the
existence of free will
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because in order to be
able to do something right
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you have to be able to
choose it. If you're going
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to say something that
you ought to do something.
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Ought implies can. You
have to be able to do it
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>>Bill: Sure.
>>Randy: Okay. So now basically
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atheists must deny evil,
deny good, deny morals and
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deny free will. I
even have a quote from
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a biologist who
says, "Where's the logic in
00:18:46.33\00:18:49.70
debating an individuals'
responsibility when the
00:18:49.70\00:18:52.50
reality is that none
of us are biologically
00:18:52.50\00:18:53.53
responsible for our
actions." And this guy
00:18:53.53\00:18:56.13
happened to be referring
to that he though serial
00:18:56.13\00:18:59.26
killers shouldn't be
put in prison. They should
00:18:59.26\00:19:00.30
maybe be segregated
from society in some way
00:19:00.30\00:19:04.33
but they should not
have some punitive punishment
00:19:04.33\00:19:08.20
imposed on them because
they are not responsible
00:19:08.20\00:19:09.20
for their actions.
>>Bill: Who's to say what they
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did was wrong? >>Randy:
Exactly. Because it's just
00:19:11.40\00:19:13.23
our opinion and they're
just controlled by their
00:19:13.23\00:19:14.23
genes so they can't
control what they're
00:19:14.23\00:19:15.83
doing. >>Bill: Right.
00:19:15.83\00:19:16.30
>>Randy: So what I do
is I've come up with - this
00:19:16.30\00:19:18.23
doesn't originate with
me but I've come up with, I
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think, a possible
thing that almost no atheist
00:19:20.80\00:19:21.80
will refuse or deny is
wrong. And it sounds kind
00:19:21.80\00:19:28.30
of difficult to deal
with but its, is torturing
00:19:28.30\00:19:31.83
babies for fun objectively
wrong? And if you can look
00:19:31.83\00:19:32.93
someone in the eye and
ask them, is torturing babies
00:19:32.93\00:19:36.30
for fun objectively
wrong Can you ever imagine a
00:19:36.30\00:19:38.93
time in history or a
culture or a time when we
00:19:38.93\00:19:40.03
could have evolved
that maybe torturing babies
00:19:40.03\00:19:42.63
for fun would be okay?
And almost invariably they'll
00:19:42.63\00:19:46.26
say "No". >>Bill: Of
course not. >>Randy: Now,
00:19:46.26\00:19:47.23
if - you do get some
who say 'yes' and the ones
00:19:47.23\00:19:50.03
that say 'yes' they can
imagine that it could be -
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no, I'm sorry, they will
say that it is objectively
00:19:53.93\00:19:54.96
wrong but you will get
some who will say that,
00:19:54.96\00:20:00.96
no, they don't think
that it's objectively wrong,
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just someone's opinion.
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And at that point I
will usually say, I thank you
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for your honesty and
your candor but that is why I
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could never be an atheist
because I do believe that
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torturing babies for fun
is objectively wrong. And
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a lot of times if you
have someone who's maybe an
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agnostic or someone
who's sitting the fence, who's
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listening and they realize
that this is what atheism
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leads to, that I'm
actually admitting that
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torturing babies for
fun is not wrong. But then
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the ones that you do
admit that, that do admit that
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it was wrong, I point
out to them that as soon as
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you have, as soon as
you are saying that it's no
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longer your opinion
that torturing babies for fun
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is wrong you are now
appealing to an outside
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standard. If you want
to call it God, you can
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call it God but
whatever it is, it is something
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transcendent outside of
humanity that says this is
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absolutely wrong for
all time. >>Bill: You are
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absolutely right. Sure.
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>>Randy: One more
quote, "Our conscience shows
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us that God is a personal
being". What I say, when I
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say that is because
if you were to break your
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wife's favorite vase,
for example, you might feel
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a little bit guilty
and morally obligated to
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either fix the vase or
replace it. You'll feel
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obligated to your wife.
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But you don't feel morally
obligated to the vase, do
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you? >>Bill: No.
>>Randy: And not because we
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don't feel obligated to
inanimate objects.>>Bill:
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Inanimate objects, sure.
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>>Randy: And if you
had, you know, that is the
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reason why when we do
something wrong, even if
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nobody knows about it,
our sins still convict us and
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we still have a sense of
guilt and I believe that's
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our conscience
telling us that God exists and
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that he's a real personal
being. And, so, I'm going
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to end with just
summing up here what we can
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determine from all
of these arguments, even
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though none of them are
absolute proofs for God,
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what we can determine
from argument one, the
00:21:35.43\00:21:38.90
cosmological argument
is that God is immaterial,
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non-spacial and
timeless, He must also be
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unimaginably powerful
in order to create the
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Universe. From
argument two, the fine tuning,
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we can determine
that He obviously must be
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supremely intelligent
and He must be purposeful and
00:21:49.73\00:21:52.43
orderly. Argument three,
the moral argument, we can
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conclude that He
must be morally pure which
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includes infinitely
loving and just and He also must
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be a personal being. So,
again, I would give these
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arguments to an atheist
and I would say, although
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these do not prove
God in any sense, they are
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certainly evidence of
and it sounds suspiciously
00:22:10.10\00:22:11.23
like the Judeo-Christian
God of the Bible. Now it's
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your job to go out and
find out who He is and has
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He possibly at any point
entered history and tried
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to demonstrate who He
is, possibly through the
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person of Jesus
Christ So, I have one final
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quote. There's a man
named Robert Jastro, died
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recently, but he was an American
00:22:29.33\00:22:33.83
astronomer, physicist,
and cosmologist, wrote a great
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book called 'God and
the Astronomers' and this is
00:22:36.43\00:22:37.40
the very last quote of
his book, it's often quoted
00:22:37.40\00:22:40.93
and it's worth the
price of the book just to read
00:22:40.93\00:22:44.56
this and he said, "For
the scientist who has lived by
00:22:44.56\00:22:45.66
his faith and the power
of reason, the story ends
00:22:45.66\00:22:49.36
like a bad dream. He
has scaled the mountain of
00:22:49.36\00:22:52.36
ignorance, he is about
to conquer the highest peak,
00:22:52.36\00:22:53.40
as he pulls himself
over the final rock, he
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is greeted by a band of
theologians who have been
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sitting there for
centuries". And that's it.
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>>Bill: Incredible. I
mean we all exercise faith
00:23:01.23\00:23:04.36
everyday.>>Randy: Exactly.
00:23:04.36\00:23:04.90
>>Bill:.and unfortunately,
for many, we sometimes
00:23:04.90\00:23:09.13
talk about it only in
the realm of theology and
00:23:09.13\00:23:13.73
religion. We all
experience, we all
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experience faith.
Now, Randy, do you get an
00:23:14.53\00:23:17.76
opportunity to go out
and speak to these groups. Do
00:23:17.76\00:23:20.53
you get the chance to
speak to atheists? Now,
00:23:20.53\00:23:21.53
what do they say?
They come to a presentation
00:23:21.53\00:23:24.16
like this, what do folks
say to you? >>Randy: Well,
00:23:24.16\00:23:26.06
most of my presentations
occur in churches, though,
00:23:26.06\00:23:27.10
unfortunately I don't
get to speak to atheists in
00:23:27.10\00:23:30.46
person. I do happen to
do a lot of chatting on-line
00:23:30.46\00:23:33.56
and I'll go on
YouTube and I'll start up
00:23:33.56\00:23:34.43
a conversation with an
atheist and it's really
00:23:34.43\00:23:37.23
interesting that I get
different reactions. For
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the most part I get
bashed and called names and all
00:23:40.26\00:23:41.40
that but too often there
will be someone listening
00:23:41.40\00:23:44.56
who's just lurking
there in the background and I
00:23:44.56\00:23:47.66
frequently get emails
from people saying, I really
00:23:47.66\00:23:48.73
like how you
handled yourself there. You
00:23:48.73\00:23:52.33
didn't get angry. You
gave evidence for your beliefs
00:23:52.33\00:23:55.46
and they'll say, I
respect you even if I don't
00:23:55.46\00:23:56.56
agree with you I
certainly respect where you're
00:23:56.56\00:24:00.63
coming from and I at
least like that you're defending
00:24:00.63\00:24:04.16
you faith as opposed
to just saying it's all
00:24:04.16\00:24:05.13
about, you just accept
it blindly. >>Bill: Because
00:24:05.13\00:24:09.10
it is, right? >>Randy:
Exactly. >>Bill: Yeah. And
00:24:09.10\00:24:11.06
I think you do a fine,
a very nice job as a lay
00:24:11.06\00:24:12.03
person, if I could say.
00:24:12.03\00:24:18.96
You're a lay person.
00:24:18.96\00:24:19.43
>>Randy: Yeah, sure.
00:24:19.43\00:24:19.86
>>Bill: Your
research, I think your logic
00:24:19.86\00:24:22.10
is impeccable. It's
interesting that, you
00:24:22.10\00:24:24.50
know, even the comments
that we get that were on
00:24:24.50\00:24:25.50
the negative side,
you know, they didn't
00:24:25.50\00:24:28.76
attack the logic of the
arguments. >>Randy: Okay.
00:24:28.76\00:24:34.03
>>Bill: I think there
are some; there are some -
00:24:34.03\00:24:35.03
that's what I appreciate
about you. You've done
00:24:35.03\00:24:39.43
some good work here
in pulling this logic
00:24:39.43\00:24:44.03
together. And, you
know, folks will say all kinds
00:24:44.03\00:24:45.10
of stuff, they say
all kinds of stuff about
00:24:45.10\00:24:47.83
me and they'll say - but
it's interesting that they
00:24:47.83\00:24:50.93
didn't attack the logic
of your arguments and I think
00:24:50.93\00:24:52.03
you're doing a great
job and we're going to
00:24:52.03\00:24:55.93
continue to pray that
the Lord continues to use you
00:24:55.93\00:24:59.66
as you go out and
speak and that, I believe
00:24:59.66\00:25:00.76
there's truth speakers
out there, there's people that
00:25:00.76\00:25:03.93
are searching. >>Randy:
Yeah. I come across them
00:25:03.93\00:25:07.63
in everything.
>>Bill: Through a program like
00:25:07.63\00:25:08.60
ours at 'It Is Written',
through the work that you
00:25:08.60\00:25:11.33
do, through the
personal testimony of each and
00:25:11.33\00:25:13.40
every one of us as we
live our lives out there, that
00:25:13.40\00:25:14.46
each one of us can do
our part in transmitting to
00:25:14.46\00:25:18.13
those around us who
don't yet know this loving God,
00:25:18.13\00:25:22.66
this all powerful God
that we can transmit to them,
00:25:22.66\00:25:23.70
you know, who they are.
00:25:23.70\00:25:28.53
And you're doing
your part and.>>Randy:
00:25:28.53\00:25:29.36
Thank you. >>Bill:.and
congratulations for that.
00:25:29.36\00:25:31.93
I want to close this part
of our program with a word
00:25:31.93\00:25:33.93
of prayer. >>Randy: Sure.
00:25:33.93\00:25:34.46
>>Bill: Father in
heaven, we want to thank you so
00:25:34.46\00:25:36.60
much that you have
called Randy to this ministry,
00:25:36.60\00:25:37.63
Father, as he has
put these presentations
00:25:37.63\00:25:42.80
together and is using
them to communicate to others
00:25:42.80\00:25:47.00
who don't know you yet,
who you are. And Father, I
00:25:47.00\00:25:48.20
pray that you continue to
bless him and use him in a
00:25:48.20\00:25:52.90
mighty way. And Father
if there's someone watching
00:25:52.90\00:25:56.60
here today that has
maybe, up until this point,
00:25:56.60\00:25:57.60
doubted your existence
may you speak to their hearts
00:25:57.60\00:26:00.56
in a powerful way now
that they may know that you are
00:26:00.56\00:26:07.30
the true God. Bless each
and every viewer, Heavenly
00:26:07.30\00:26:08.33
Father, I pray in Jesus'
name. Amen. >>Randy: Amen.
00:26:08.33\00:26:16.93
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Thanks Bill. >>Bill: And,
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