>>BILL: ON TODAY'S 'IT
IS WRITTEN' PROGRAM, WE ARE
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DISCUSSING EVOLUTION
AND CREATION UNDER THE
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TITLE, EVOLUTION: FACT OR
FICTION? WE HAVE A SPECIAL
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GUEST WITH US, RANDY
RUGGLES. I HOPE YOU WILL
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JOIN US. 'IT IS
WRITTEN' BEGINS RIGHT NOW.
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(MUSIC)
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>>ANNOUNCER: IT HAS
STOOD THE TEST OF TIME.
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GOD'S BOOK, THE BIBLE
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STILL RELEVANT IN
TODAY'S COMPLEX WORLD
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IT IS WRITTEN
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SHARING MESSAGES OF
HOPE AROUND THE WORLD.
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(MUSIC)
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>>BILL: WELL, LET ME
WELCOME OUR VIEWERS TO
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THIS 'IT IS
WRITTEN' PROGRAM AND LET ME
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WELCOME MY SPECIAL GUEST,
RANDY RANDY, WELCOME BACK.
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>>RANDY: THANKS, BILL.
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>>BILL: RANDY WAS HERE
WITH US BEFORE AND RANDY
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AND I MET IN NORTH BAY
A LITTLE WHILE AGO AND WE
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GOT TO TALKING AND
RANDY HAS A REAL PASSION FOR
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THIS DEBATE OF EVOLUTION
VERSUS CREATION. AND HAS
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COMPILED A BOOK - I SAY
COMPILED - WRITTEN A BOOK,
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I GUESS, WRITTEN A
BOOK, 'EVOLUTION: FACT OR
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FICTION?' WE'LL TALK
ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE END THE
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PROGRAM TODAY.
>>RANDY: SURE. >>BILL: AND WE'VE
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INVITED YOU BACK
BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO TALK A
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LITTLE BIT ABOUT ARGUMENTS
THAT CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT
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USE, RIGHT? WHEN
DEFENDING CREATIONISM
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VERSUS.>>RANDY: EXACTLY.
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>>BILL:.VERSUS EVOLUTION,
RIGHT? >>RANDY: EXACTLY.
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THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF
DOING THIS SHOW IS BECAUSE WE
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WANT TO TEACH CHRISTIANS
HOW TO DEFEND THE FAITH
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AGAINST EVOLUTION. AND
SO, THERE ARE CERTAIN MISTAKES
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THAT ARE SOMETIMES
MADE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN BAD
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ARGUMENTS SO WE JUST
WANT TO OUTLINE A FEW OF THOSE
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TODAY. >>BILL: SURE.
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>>RANDY: WE'RE GOING TO
GO THROUGH SEVEN OF THEM.
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BEFORE I DO THAT THOUGH,
LAST TIME WE TALKED BEFORE
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I GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF
QUOTES ABOUT EVOLUTION AND
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I WANTED TO START BY
DOING THAT. SIR ARTHUR KEITH
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SAID, 'EVOLUTION IS
UNPROVED AND UNPROVEABLE
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WE BELIEVE IT ONLY BECAUSE
THE ALTERNATIVE IS SPECIAL
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CREATION AND THAT IS
UNTHINKABLE'. ONCE AGAIN,
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WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST
TIME THAT THEY DO NOT WANT
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TO BELIEVE IN A GOD
SO THEY'RE CHOOSING TO
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BELIEVE IN
EVOLUTION ANOTHER QUOTE IS
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'SCIENTISTS WHO GO ABOUT
TEACHING THAT EVOLUTION IS
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THE FACT OF LIFE ARE
GREAT CON MEN AND THE STORY THAT
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THEY ARE TELLING MAY BE
THE GREATEST HOAX EVER. IN
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EXPLAINING EVOLUTION
WE DO NOT HAVE ONE IOTA
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OF FACT'. >>BILL: WOW.
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>>RANDY: SOME OF THESE
QUOTES ARE VERY POWERFUL
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>>BILL: YES. >>RANDY:
AND THIS ONE SAID BY MICHAEL
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RUSE, IN NATIONAL POST,
IN THE YEAR 2000, HE SAID,
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'EVOLUTION IS
PROMOTED BY ITS PRACTIONERS AS
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MORE THAN MERE SCIENCE.
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EVOLUTION IS PROMOLGATED
AS AN IDEOLOGY, A SECULAR
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RELIGION, A
FULL-FLEDGED ALTERNATIVE TO
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CHRISTIANITY WITH
MEANING AND MORALITY. I AM AN
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ARDENT EVOLUTIONIST
AND AN EX-CHRISTIAN BUT I
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MUST ADMIT IN
THIS ONE COMPLAINT THAT
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THE LITERALISTS,' IE:
THE CREATIONISTS, MEANING THE
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PEOPLE WHO TAKE THE BIBLE
LITERALLY, 'ARE ABSOLUTELY
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RIGHT. EVOLUTION IS A
RELIGION. THAT IS TRUE OF
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EVOLUTION IN THE
BEGINNING AND THAT IS TRUE OF
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EVOLUTION STILL TODAY'.
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>>BILL: WOW. >>RANDY:
MICHAEL RUSE IS ACTUALLY
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AN ARDENT EVOLUTIONIST,
AS HE SAID, AND YET HE
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IS STILL ADMITTING THAT
EVOLUTION IS A RELIGION.
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NOW, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO IS, AS I MENTIONED, IS
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TALK ABOUT SEVEN
ARGUMENTS AGAINST EVOLUTION THAT
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CHRISTIANS SHOULD NOT USE.
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>>BILL: OKAY. >>RANDY:
YO MAY HAVE HEARD SOME OF
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THESE BEFORE. I
DEFINITELY HEAR A LOT OF THEM IN
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MY TRAVELS AND IN MY
TALKS ONE OF THEM, I DON'T THINK
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THIS ONE'S AS COMMON
ANYMORE BUT PEOPLE WILL
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OFTEN SAY, 'WELL, GOD
PUT THOSE DINOSAUR FOSSILS
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IN THE GROUND TO TEST
OUR FAITH', OR 'SATAN PUT
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DINOSAUR FOSSILS IN
THE GROUND TO DESTROY OUR
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FAITH'. NOW, I CAN
ASSURE YOU THAT, FIRST OF ALL,
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GOD IS NOT A DECEIVER
AND SO, HE WOULDN'T DO
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SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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>>BILL: SURE. >>RANDY:
AND SECOND OF ALL, FOSSILS ARE
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REAL AND THEY CAN
EASILY BE EXPLAINED BY A GLOBAL
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FLOOD. AND I WANT TO
GIVE YOU A QUOTE HERE FROM
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2PETER 3.>>BILL: OKAY.
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>>RANDY:.THAT SAYS,
'FIRST OF ALL, YOU MUST
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UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE
LAST DAYS SCOFFERS WILL
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COME. SCOFFING AND
FOLLOWING THEIR OWN EVIL
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DESIRES. THEY DELIBERATELY
FORGET THAT LONG AGO, BY
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GOD'S WORD, THE HEAVENS
EXISTED AND THE EARTH WAS
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FORMED OUT OF WATER AND
BY WATER. BY THESE WATERS,
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ALSO, THE WORLD AT
THAT TIME WAS DELUGED AND
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DESTROYED'. NOW, WHAT
THAT'S SAYING IS THAT AT
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THE END TIMES, IN THE
LAST DAYS, PEOPLE WILL COME
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THAT WILL DELIBERATELY
NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE CREATION
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AND THE FLOOD. AND THE
FLOOD OF NOAH'S DAY CAN
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ACTUALLY EXPLAIN A LOT
OF THE FOSSIL RECORD THAT
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EVOLUTIONISTS BELIEVE
TOOK MILLIONS OR BILLIONS
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OF YEARS. SO - AND WHY DO
THEY DO THAT? IT SAYS THAT
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THEY'RE FOLLOWING THEIR
OWN EVIL DESIRES. THEY ARE
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WALKING AFTER THEIR
OWN LUSTS, THE BIBLE SAYS.
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AND AS THE QUOTE THAT
WE LOOKED AT LAST TIME FROM
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MR. GEORGE WALD, SAID,
HE DID NOT WANT TO BELIEVE
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IN GOD. >>BILL: SO HE
WAS PREPARED TO BELIEVE
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IN SOMETHING THAT
WAS SCIENTIFICALLY
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UNPROVEABLE, RIGHT?
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SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE,
RIGHT? >>RANDY: EXACTLY.
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>>BILL: I GUESS THE QUOTE
WAS. >>RANDY: EXACTLY. AND
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SO, THAT IS THE REASON
WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE IN
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EVOLUTION AND PEOPLE
LIKE RICHARD DAWKINS, HE HAS A
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QUOTE THAT GOES SOMETHING
LIKE, EVOLUTION MADE - OR
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DARWIN MADE ATHEISM,
MADE IT SCIENTIFICALLY TENABLE
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OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I FORGET EXACTLY THE QUOTE
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BUT - INTELLECTUALLY
FULFILLING, OR SOMETHING
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LIKE THAT. THEN AGAIN,
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT
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QUOTE BUT YEAH, DARWIN
MADE IT POSSIBLE TO BE AN
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INTELLECTUALLY FULFILLED
ATHEIST. I THINK THAT'S
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THE WAY IT GOES. AND SO,
THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN
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TO. IF YOU TALK TO
SOMEONE WHO IS AN ATHEIST THEY
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HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE
BUT TO BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION
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BECAUSE THERE'S NO
OTHER GAME IN TOWN. >>BILL:
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RIGHT. >>RANDY: THEY
DON'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE A
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CREATOR. >>BILL: RIGHT.
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RIGHT. >>RANDY: SO,
WE WANT THEM TO STAY AWAY
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FROM THAT ARGUMENT THAT
GOD PUT DINOSAUR FOSSILS
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IN THE GROUND. WE BELIEVE
THAT DINOSAURS DID REALLY
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EXIST. THEY DID WALK
THE EARTH. I BELIEVE THAT,
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PROBABLY, A LOT OF
THEM WERE DESTROYED IN THE
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FLOOD OF NOAH.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT I
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HEAR OFTEN THOUGH IS THAT
PEOPLE WILL OFTEN SAY THAT
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EVOLUTION IS JUST A
THEORY. AND THERE'S NO
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PROBLEM WITH THE WORD
THEORY, EVOLUTION IS A
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THEORY, BUT THE PROBLEM
WITH WORDING IT THAT WAY
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IS THAT PEOPLE ARE
TRYING TO DISCREDIT IT IN SOME
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WAY OR SAYING IT'S NOT
PROVEN BY SAYING THAT IT'S
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JUST A THEORY. >>BILL:
OKAY. >>RANDY: AND HERE'S
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THE PROBLEM, IS THAT
SCIENTISTS DON'T USE THE
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TERM THEORY THE SAME
WAY WE DO. >>BILL: I SEE,
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OKAY. >>RANDY: WHEN
WE TALK ABOUT THE WORD
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'THEORY' WE SAY, IT'S A
HUNCH; IT'S A GUESS; IT'S
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CONJECTURE. BUT LET
ME GIVE YOU QUOTE HERE
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THAT SAYS, 'IN SCIENTIFIC
TERMINOLOGY, A THEORY IS A
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HYPOTHESIS THAT HAS
BEEN SUPPORTED BY SO MANY
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CASES THAT FEW
SCIENTISTS SERIOUSLY DOUBT
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ITS VALIDITY. THUS
A SCIENTIFIC THEORY IS
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SIMILAR TO WHAT WE CALL
A LAW OR A FACT IN COMMON
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ENGLISH USAGE. PEOPLE
WHO REFER TO EVOLUTION AS
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'JUST A THEORY'
PROFOUNDLY MISUNDERSTAND WHAT
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SCIENTISTS MEAN BY
THAT TERM'. SO, ONCE AGAIN,
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THERE'S NOTHING WRONG
WITH CALLING EVOLUTION A THEORY
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BECAUSE IT IS BUT WHEN
SCIENTISTS USE THAT TERM
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THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT
THEY THINK IT'S A PROVEN
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AS THE EARTH ROTATING
ABOUT THE SUN AND THAT
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GRAVITY EXISTS AND
THAT TYPE OF THING. AND I'VE
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GOT MANY QUOTES TO
THAT EFFECT. >>BILL:
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INTERESTING.
>>RANDY: SO, REALLY, WHAT IS A
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BETTER WAY TO HANDLE
THAT OBJECTION WOULD BE TO SAY
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SOMETHING LIKE; EVOLUTION
IS NOT A PROVEN FACT SO
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IT SHOULD NOT BE
PROMOTED DOGMATICALLY. THAT'S
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REALLY WHAT WE'RE
TRYING TO SAY WHEN WE'RE SAYING
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EVOLUTION IS JUST A
THEORY. >>BILL: RIGHT.
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>>RANDY: SO IT'S USING
THE WORD THEORY THE WAY IT'S
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INTENDED TO BE USED BY
A SCIENTIST. >>BILL: OKAY.
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>>RANDY: YOU KNOW, IF
YOU SAY TO A SCIENTIST
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EVOLUTION IS JUST A
THEORY, THEY SAY THIS
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PERSON HAS NO CLUE OF HOW
WE USE THAT WORD SO WE CAN
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WRITE HIM OFF. WE DON'T
NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION
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WITH HIM BECAUSE HE'S
LOST CREDIBILITY IMMEDIATELY.
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>>BILL: RIGHT, RIGHT.
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OKAY. >>RANDY: THE
NEXT ONE IS 'IF MAN EVOLVED
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FROM APES, WHY ARE THERE
STILL APES?' NOW, I DON'T
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KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER
HEARD THAT BEFORE BUT, FIRST OF
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ALL, LET ME
EXPLAIN THEY DON'T BELIEVE
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- EVOLUTIONISTS DON'T
BELIEVE THAT MAN EVOLVED
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FROM APES. THEY CLAIM
THAT MAN AND APES SHARE A
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COMMON ANCESTOR. SO,
THEY DON'T BELIEVE, PERSAY,
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THAT MAN EVOLVED FROM
APES. BUT HERE'S WHAT THEY
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ALSO SAY, 'THE
QUESTION IS A BIT LIKE ASKING IF
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CANADIANS AND
AMERICANS ARE DESCENDED FROM
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EUROPEANS, WHY ARE THERE
STILL EUROPEANS?' BECAUSE
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TO THEM THE WAY EVOLUTION
WORKS IS A SUBSET OF THE
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POPULATION BREAKS OFF
AND MAYBE THEY GET STRANDED
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ON AN ISLAND OR MAYBE
THEY GET SEPARATED BY A FOREST
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OR A RIVER OR SOMETHING
LIKE THAT AND THEN THROUGH
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INTERBREEDING OF
THAT SUBSET GROUP.>>BILL:
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RIGHT. >>RANDY:.THEY END
UP COMING TO THE POINT OF
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WHERE THEY CAN NO
LONGER INTERBREED WITH THE
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ORIGINAL GROUP. AND
THAT ACTUALLY DOES HAPPEN
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BUT TO US THAT'S NOT
EVOLUTION. THAT, AGAIN, IS
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JUST, ONCE AGAIN,
VARIATIONS WITHIN THE
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KINDS AND THAT'S ALL
WE'VE EVER SEEN. >>BILL: RIGHT.
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>>RANDY: SO, ANOTHER
THING WOULD BE - IT'S KIND OF
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LIKE SAYING, IF YOU AND
YOUR COUSIN ARE DESCENDED
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FROM YOUR GRANDMOTHER,
WHY IS YOUR GRANDMOTHER STILL
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AROUND? EVOLUTION DOESN'T
CLAIM THAT APES HAD TO GO
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EXTINCT SO THAT
HUMANS COULD GET HERE, IF YOU
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FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING.
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>BILL: RIGHT. >>RANDY: S
IT'S NOT A LOGICAL.>>BILL:
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SO THAT EVERY APE WAS
GOING TO EVOLVE INTO A
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MAN. >>RANDY: EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD SAY THAT
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SOME APES SPLIT OFF AT
SOME POINT AND THAT GROUP,
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THESE APES REMAINED
AND THOSE APES EVENTUALLY
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LEAD TO HUMANS OR
SHARED A COMMON ANCESTOR. SOME
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UNKNOWN COMMON ANCESTOR
THAT HAS YET TO BE FOUND
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>>BILL: RIGHT.
>>RANDY: ARGUMENT NUMBER
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FOUR IS THAT THERE ARE
NO TRANSITIONAL FORMS IN THE
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FOSSIL RECORD. NOW, I
SHOULD JUST EXPLAIN WHAT
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I MEAN BY .>>BILL:
YEAH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN
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BY TRANSITIONAL FORMS
>>RANDY: ANOTHER WORD FOR
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IT WOULD BE MISSING LINKS,
THAT TYPE OF THING. IF YOU
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WANTED TO GO FROM,
SAY, THEY DO BELIEVE THAT
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DINOSAURS TURN INTO
BIRDS, FOR EXAMPLE OR THEY DO
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BELIEVE THAT COWS
OR SOMETHING LIKE A
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LAND-DWELLING ANIMALS
TURNED INTO WHALES, WENT
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INTO THE OCEAN AND
TURNED INTO WHALES. HOW MANY
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DIFFERENT CHANGES
WOULD YOU HAVE TO MAKE IN A
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DINOSAUR TO TURN IT
INTO A BIRD. THERE WOULD NEED
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TO BE - I MEAN NOBODY
HAS EVER PUT A NUMBER ON IT
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BUT DARWIN, HIMSELF,
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT BETWEEN
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EACH SPECIES THERE
WOULD HAVE TO BE THOUSANDS AND
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THOUSANDS OF TRANSITIONS
IN THE FOSSIL RECORD. AND
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WHAT THEY DO IS, THEY DO
FIND POTENTIAL CANDIDATES
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BUT WHAT I LOOK AT IS
IS WE SHOULD BE FINDING, WE
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SHOULD BE UNCOVERING,
WE SHOULD JUST BE TRIPPING
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OVER TRANSITIONAL FORMS.
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WE PULL OUT SOMETHING
IS A MILLION YEARS OLD IT
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SHOULD BE RADICALLY
DISTINCT FROM SOMETHING
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THAT WE HAVE TODAY
AND YET, THEY'LL PULL OUT
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BATS A MILLION YEARS
AGO, BY THEIR, BY THEIR TIME
00:10:01.10\00:10:05.03
SCALE.>>BILL: YES.
00:10:05.03\00:10:05.46
>>RANDY:.LOOK VIRTUALLY
THE SAME AS BATS TODAY.
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SO, WHY AREN'T BATS
EVOLVING? SO, IT'S THINGS
00:10:08.63\00:10:09.60
LIKE THAT. IT'S PROBABLY
CORRECT TO SAY THAT THERE
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ARE NO TRANSITIONAL FORMS
WHAT WE REALLY MEAN TO SAY
00:10:14.13\00:10:18.93
IS SOMETHING LIKE, WHILE
DARWIN PREDICTED THAT THE
00:10:18.93\00:10:19.93
FOSSIL RECORD WOULD
SHOW NUMEROUS TRANSITIONAL
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FOSSILS, EVEN 150
YEARS LATER ALL WE HAVE ARE A
00:10:24.80\00:10:27.56
HANDFUL OF DISPUTABLE
EXAMPLES. SO, THE WAY I
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LOOK AT IT IS TRANSITIONAL
FORMS SHOULD BE THE RULE,
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NOT THE EXCEPTION. LIKE I
SAY, EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE
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PULLING OUT OF THE
GROUND SHOULD BE A TRANSITIONAL
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FORM AND WE
SHOULDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT IS
00:10:37.33\00:10:39.66
RADICALLY, OR VIRTUALLY
THE SAME.>>BILL: RIGHT.
00:10:39.66\00:10:43.16
>>RANDY:.WHEN YOU LOOK
BACK IN THE FOSSIL RECORD
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THEY SAY THAT
MISSING LINKS ARE MISSING BUT
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ACTUALLY IT'S THE
WHOLE CHAIN IS MISSING. SO,
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THAT'S PART OF THE
PROBLEM. NOW, ARGUMENT
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NUMBER FIVE IS THAT
DARWIN RECANTED ON HIS DEATHBED.
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HAVE YOU EVER HEARD
THAT ONE? >>BILL: I'VE HEARD
00:10:55.83\00:10:57.66
THAT. YES. >>RANDY:
NOW, LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE
00:10:57.66\00:10:58.63
BIT ABOUT WHY PEOPLE
SAY THAT. >>BILL: OKAY.
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>>RANDY: THERE WAS A
WOMAN NAMED LADY HOPE - I DON'T
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KNOW THE WHOLE STORY
BUT SUPPOSEDLY SHE VISITED
00:11:02.63\00:11:03.60
DARWIN ON HIS DEATHBED
AND, IT'S KIND OF AN URBAN
00:11:03.60\00:11:07.03
LEGEND NOW THAT THEY
READ TOGETHER FROM HEBREWS AND
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HE SAID THAT THAT WAS
HIS FAVOURITE PASSAGE IN THE
00:11:11.50\00:11:12.60
BIBLE. AND HE SAID
THAT I WAS A YOUNG MAN WITH
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UNFORMED IDEAS AND
AFTER HIS DEATH SHE TRAVELLED
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AROUND AND HER STORY
GOT PUBLISHED, IN EVEN SOME
00:11:21.96\00:11:22.96
MAJOR CHRISTIAN MAGAZINES,
SO THE IDEA WAS THAT HE
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HAD REJECTED EVOLUTION
ON HIS DEATHBED. NOW, HERE,
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FROM ALL THE RESEARCH
I'VE DONE, FIRST OF ALL, THE
00:11:33.96\00:11:35.03
LADY HOPE STORY PROBABLY
IS NOT TRUE. IT PROBABLY -
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I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE
WAS; WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR
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NOT SHE ACTUALLY VISITED
DARWIN ON HIS DEATHBED BUT
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QUOTES THAT WE HAVE
FROM SOME OF HIS FAMILY
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MEMBERS, FRANCIS DARWIN,
WHO WAS HIS SON, SAID, 'HE
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COULD NOT HAVE BECOME OPENLY AND
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ENTHUSIASTICALLY
CHRISTIAN WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE
00:11:51.36\00:11:53.66
OF HIS FAMILY AND NO
SUCH CHANGE OCCURRED'. HE ALSO
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SAID, 'LADY HOPE'S
ACCOUNT OF MY FATHER'S VIEWS ON
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RELIGION IS QUITE UNTRUE.
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I PUBLICLY ACCUSED
HER OF FALSEHOOD BUT HAVE
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NOT SEEN A REPLY'.
AND HENRIETTA DARWIN, HIS
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DAUGHTER, SAID, 'I WAS
PRESENT AT HIS DEATHBED,
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LADY HOPE WAS NOT
PRESENT DURING HIS LAST ILLNESS
00:12:07.66\00:12:08.70
OR ANY ILLNESS. HE
NEVER RECANTED ANY OF HIS
00:12:08.70\00:12:12.36
SCIENTIFIC VIEWS, EITHER
THEN OR EARLIER.' NOW, ONE
00:12:12.36\00:12:16.53
MORE POINT I WILL
MAKE ABOUT THAT IS THAT
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DARWIN'S WIFE WAS A
VERY DEVOUT CHRISTIAN
00:12:17.43\00:12:20.13
AND ANYBODY WHO WOULD
HAVE LOVED FOR DARWIN TO RECANT
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HIS VIEWS WOULD HAVE
BEEN HIS WIFE. AND SHE WOULD
00:12:23.86\00:12:24.90
HAVE COME OUT AND
OPENLY SUPPORTED THAT BUT SHE
00:12:24.90\00:12:28.63
NEVER DID. ANOTHER
MAJOR POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE
00:12:28.63\00:12:33.60
ABOUT THIS WHOLE
ARGUMENT IS THAT ULTIMATELY, SO
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WHAT? LET'S SAY IF WE
HAD - IT'S KNOWN IN LOGICAL
00:12:34.70\00:12:36.56
WHAT'S CALLED AN
ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORITY CLAIMING
00:12:36.56\00:12:40.26
THAT SOMEBODY
IMPORTANT BELIEVES THEN IT MUST
00:12:40.26\00:12:41.26
BE TRUE. >>BILL: RIGHT.
00:12:41.26\00:12:44.46
>>RANDY: SUPPOSE -
THINK OF SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW
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THAT IS WELL KNOWN THAT
IS A VERY DEVOUT CHRISTIAN.
00:12:45.43\00:12:51.10
I THINK OF, SAY,
BILLY GRAHAM. >>BILL: OKAY.
00:12:51.10\00:12:53.63
>>RANDY: NOW, IMAGINE
THAT BILLY GRAHAM, IF HE CAME
00:12:53.63\00:12:54.66
OUT ON HIS DEATHBED AND
SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT
00:12:54.66\00:12:57.60
WHOLE CHRISTIANITY
THING, I WAS WRONG; IT WAS ALL A
00:12:57.60\00:13:00.56
MISTAKE; JESUS NEVER
EXISTED OR WHAT HAVE YOU
00:13:00.56\00:13:01.63
WOULD WE ALL SAY, OH,
WELL, BILLY GRAHAM SAYS
00:13:01.63\00:13:06.36
IT'S NOT SO, SO I
GUESS IT'S NOT SO. I GUESS WE
00:13:06.36\00:13:09.20
MIGHT AS WELL PACK UP
AND GO HOME. >>BILL: PROBABLY
00:13:09.20\00:13:10.36
NOT. >>RANDY: RIGHT. SO
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT
00:13:10.36\00:13:12.80
ANY ONE PERSON BELIEVES
IT MATTERS WHAT THE FACTS
00:13:12.80\00:13:15.93
ARE. >>BILL: SURE, OF
COURSE. >>RANDY:.AND WHAT
00:13:15.93\00:13:17.03
THE BIBLE SAYS. AND SO,
THAT'S WHY THAT ARGUMENT
00:13:17.03\00:13:20.03
IS NOT A VERY GOOD
ARGUMENT BECAUSE EVEN IF
00:13:20.03\00:13:22.80
DARWIN - EVEN IF IT
WERE TRUE.>>BILL: EVEN IF HE
00:13:22.80\00:13:23.80
DID OR DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T
REALLY MATTER. >>RANDY:.IT
00:13:23.80\00:13:25.93
DOESN'T REALLY MATTER
IT'S NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT
00:13:25.93\00:13:28.20
EITHER WAY. IT
DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. >>BILL:
00:13:28.20\00:13:29.16
OKAY. >>RANDY:
ARGUMENT NUMBER SIX, DARWIN'S
00:13:29.16\00:13:33.63
QUOTE ABOUT THE ABSURDITY
OF 'EYE' EVOLUTION PROVES
00:13:33.63\00:13:34.83
EVEN HE KNEW EVOLUTION
WAS IMPOSSIBLE. NOW, I'M JUST
00:13:34.83\00:13:35.90
GOING TO READ YOU WHAT
HIS QUOTE IS. >>BILL: OKAY.
00:13:35.90\00:13:37.90
>>RANDY: HE SAID IN
ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES ON PAGE
00:13:37.90\00:13:39.76
186, HE SAID, 'JUST
SUPPOSE THAT THE EYE
00:13:39.76\00:13:40.66
COULD HAVE BEEN FORMED
BY NATURAL SELECTION I TRULY
00:13:40.66\00:13:44.23
CONFESS THAT ABSURD IN
THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE DEGREE'.
00:13:44.23\00:13:49.10
AND OFTEN PEOPLE WILL
SAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN DARWIN
00:13:49.10\00:13:50.13
KNEW IT WAS ABSURD THAT
EVOLUTION COULD HAPPEN. A
00:13:50.13\00:13:53.10
COMPLEX STRUCTURE LIKE
THE HUMAN EYE COULD NOT HAVE
00:13:53.10\00:13:56.43
EVOLVED. NOW, TO
QUOTE IT LIKE THAT IS TAKING
00:13:56.43\00:13:57.40
IT SUBTLY OUT OF CONTEXT.
00:13:57.40\00:14:02.26
>>BILL: OKAY. >>RANDY:
BECAUSE IF YOU READ WHAT
00:14:02.26\00:14:03.40
DARWIN WROTE, HE
SAID, 'I CONFESS THAT IT MAY
00:14:03.40\00:14:05.86
SEEM ABSURD', BUT THEN
HE WENT ON TO EXPLAIN HOW HE
00:14:05.86\00:14:09.00
THINKS THAT IT HAPPENED
ANYWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS
00:14:09.00\00:14:10.06
OF NATURAL SELECTION
OVER SEVERAL YEARS, OVER
00:14:10.06\00:14:13.00
THOUSANDS OF YEARS
>>BILL: HE'S LIKE THE
00:14:13.00\00:14:16.10
OTHER GUY WHO SAID IT'S
SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE;
00:14:16.10\00:14:17.16
I STILL CHOOSE TO
BELIEVE IT. >>RANDY: EXACTLY.
00:14:17.16\00:14:19.56
SO, ONCE AGAIN BY
QUOTING DARWIN IN THAT WAY IT'S
00:14:19.56\00:14:24.56
TAKING HIM OUT OF
CONTEXT AND ONCE AGAIN IT'S NOT
00:14:24.56\00:14:25.60
REALLY A VALID ARGUMENT
TO USE. ARGUMENT SEVEN WHICH
00:14:25.60\00:14:29.73
IS THE LAST ONE WE'LL
LOOK AT. AND I'M SURPRISED THAT
00:14:29.73\00:14:33.06
SO MANY PEOPLE STILL USE
THIS. I HEARD THIS WHEN I
00:14:33.06\00:14:34.06
WAS A KID. YOU MAY
HAVE, TOO. AND EVEN SOMEONE
00:14:34.06\00:14:36.93
RECENTLY TOLD ME, SOMEONE
WHO BELIEVED IN EVOLUTION
00:14:36.93\00:14:40.23
TOLD ME, WELL, I DO
BELIEVE SOMEWHAT IN THE
00:14:40.23\00:14:41.13
ADAM AND EVE STORY
BECAUSE WOMEN REALLY DO HAVE ONE
00:14:41.13\00:14:44.83
MORE RIB THAN MEN. AND
I SAID, PLEASE DON'T SAY
00:14:44.83\00:14:47.73
THAT. PLEASE DON'T TELL
PEOPLE THAT BECAUSE IT'S
00:14:47.73\00:14:48.73
NOT TRUE. AND HE
DIDN'T BELIEVE ME. BUT I SAID,
00:14:48.73\00:14:53.13
ASK YOUR DOCTOR.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT TRUE.
00:14:53.13\00:14:57.50
BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE
ADAM AND EVE STORY WHERE IT
00:14:57.50\00:14:58.50
SAYS THAT GOD TOOK A RIB
OR SOMETHING FROM THE SIDE
00:14:58.50\00:15:02.60
OF ADAM AND FORMED IT
INTO EVE, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT
00:15:02.60\00:15:07.03
MAN HAS ONE LESS RIB
THAN WOMEN. ONCE AGAIN, IT'S
00:15:07.03\00:15:08.20
NOT TRUE. HUMANS ALL
HAVE TWELVE PAIRS OF RIBS. THE
00:15:08.20\00:15:13.46
OTHER POINT IS THAT EVEN
IF ADAM'S RIB WAS REMOVED
00:15:13.46\00:15:18.96
IT WOULD NOT AFFECT
FUTURE OFFSPRING. THEY'VE
00:15:18.96\00:15:19.93
BEEN DOING EXPERIMENTS
FOR HUNDREDS OF GENERATIONS
00:15:19.93\00:15:23.80
WHERE THEY'VE CUT THE
TAILS OFF OF MICE AND THEY
00:15:23.80\00:15:25.83
DO NOT EVER BREED A
TAILLESS MICE, RIGHT. EVEN
00:15:25.83\00:15:26.83
IF ADAM LIVED THE REST
OF HIS LIFE WITHOUT A RIB
00:15:26.83\00:15:30.03
IT'S NOT GOING TO
EFFECT FUTURE OFFSPRING. THE
00:15:30.03\00:15:33.53
OTHER THING IS THAT
THIS IS A REALLY INTERESTING
00:15:33.53\00:15:34.53
FACT, IS THAT THE RIB IS
THE ONLY BONE IN THE HUMAN
00:15:34.53\00:15:37.16
BODY THAT CAN REGENERATE
IF YOU TAKE IT OUT AND IF
00:15:37.16\00:15:41.20
YOU LEAVE THE
SURROUNDING MEMBRANE LEFT
00:15:41.20\00:15:42.06
INTACT >>BILL: THAT'S
INTERESTING. >>RANDY: IT
00:15:42.06\00:15:47.10
ALMOST MAKES YOU THINK
GOD KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.
00:15:47.10\00:15:48.86
>>BILL: THAT'S RIGHT.
00:15:48.86\00:15:49.36
WOW, THE CREATOR
ACTUALLY KNEW WHAT.ISN'T THAT
00:15:49.36\00:15:52.46
INCREDIBLE? >>RANDY:
NOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE
00:15:52.46\00:15:53.46
SEVEN ARGUMENTS THAT
WE SHOULDN'T USE I WANT TO
00:15:53.46\00:15:58.53
LOOK AT SOMETHING A LITTLE
MORE SERIOUS HERE IS, ONCE
00:15:58.53\00:16:02.70
AGAIN, WHY THIS
ISSUE IS SO IMPORTANT TO
00:16:02.70\00:16:03.56
CHRISTIANS. THERE MAY
BE A LOT OF YOUR VIEWERS
00:16:03.56\00:16:08.46
SAYING, WHY DOES
THIS MATTER? WHY IS IT
00:16:08.46\00:16:11.23
IMPORTANT? AND I JUST
WANT TO GIVE YOU A FEW QUOTES
00:16:11.23\00:16:12.26
FROM SCIENTISTS THEMSELVES
THAT ARE SAYING - THESE
00:16:12.26\00:16:16.40
ARE VERY POWERFUL
QUOTES ONE OF THEM BEING FROM
00:16:16.40\00:16:19.70
WILLIAM B. PROVINE, A
HISTORIAN OF SCIENCE AT
00:16:19.70\00:16:20.70
CORNELL UNIVERSITY
AND A COMMITTED ATHEIST,
00:16:20.70\00:16:23.50
SAYS, 'LET ME SUMMARIZE
MY VIEWS ON WHAT MODERN
00:16:23.50\00:16:26.60
EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
TELLS US LOUD AND CLEAR. THERE
00:16:26.60\00:16:27.63
ARE NO GODS; NO PURPOSES;
NO GOAL-DIRECTED FORCES OF
00:16:27.63\00:16:31.33
ANY KIND; THERE IS NO
LIFE AFTER DEATH; THERE IS NO
00:16:31.33\00:16:35.33
ULTIMATE FOUNDATION
FOR ETHICS; NO ULTIMATE
00:16:35.33\00:16:36.30
MEANING TO LIFE; AND
NO FREE WILL FOR HUMANS
00:16:36.30\00:16:39.63
EITHER'. SO, YOU'VE GOT A
SCIENTIST WHO'S SAYING, IF
00:16:39.63\00:16:43.50
EVOLUTION IS TRUE,
WITHOUT A CREATOR, THEN THERE'S
00:16:43.50\00:16:44.56
NO PURPOSE TO
LIFE; THEY ADMIT THERE'S
00:16:44.56\00:16:48.76
NO FOUNDATION FOR ETHICS;
THERE'S NO FREE WILL; ALL
00:16:48.76\00:16:52.36
THOSE THINGS. IN FACT, I
TALKED TO A GENTLEMAN THAT
00:16:52.36\00:16:53.40
I MET RECENTLY AT A
COFFEE SHOP AND HE CLAIMED TO BE
00:16:53.40\00:16:57.20
AN ATHEIST. AND I PROPOSED
THE IDEA TO HIM THAT, HOW
00:16:57.20\00:17:02.40
DO YOU DECIDE THAT IF
THERE IS NO GOD, HOW DO
00:17:02.40\00:17:03.40
YOU DECIDE WHAT'S RIGHT
AND WHAT'S WRONG? I SAID,
00:17:03.40\00:17:07.36
YOU CAN'T SAY THAT WHAT
HITLER DID BY KILLING SIX
00:17:07.36\00:17:11.50
MILLION JEWS, YOU
CAN'T SAY THAT BY WHAT HE DID
00:17:11.50\00:17:12.53
WAS WRONG. HE THOUGHT
ABOUT IT FOR A MINUTE AND
00:17:12.53\00:17:14.63
HE SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT.
00:17:14.63\00:17:15.10
HE SAID, WITH THE
MORAL RELATIVISM THAT WE
00:17:15.10\00:17:16.80
HAVE TODAY.>>BILL:
YES, ABSOLUTELY. >>RANDY:.HE
00:17:16.80\00:17:20.03
SAID IT'S NOT
SOMETHING I WOULD DO BUT I CAN'T
00:17:20.03\00:17:21.03
OBJECTIVELY SAY THAT
WHAT HITLER DID WAS WRONG. AND
00:17:21.03\00:17:23.23
THAT'S WHAT EVOLUTIONARY
THINKING LEADS TO. >>BILL:
00:17:23.23\00:17:27.03
YES. >>RANDY: ANOTHER
QUOTE SAYS, 'EVOLUTION
00:17:27.03\00:17:28.10
THUS BECOMES THE
MOST POTENT WEAPON FOR
00:17:28.10\00:17:32.53
DESTROYING THE CHRISTIAN
FAITH'. AND IN A LOT OF
00:17:32.53\00:17:35.30
CASES, PEOPLE LIKE RICHARD
DAWKINS, THAT IS WHAT THEY
00:17:35.30\00:17:36.40
ARE OUT TO DO. IS
DESTROY THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. AND
00:17:36.40\00:17:39.36
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS -
I'LL JUST SAY QUICKLY -
00:17:39.36\00:17:41.66
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS WHO
WROTE 'GOD IS NOT GREAT',
00:17:41.66\00:17:42.66
HE DOESN'T CALL
HIMSELF AN ATHEIST, HE CALLS
00:17:42.66\00:17:46.60
HIMSELF AN ANTI-THEIST.
00:17:46.60\00:17:47.10
HE IS 'ANTI' SOMEONE
WHO BELIEVES IN GOD. SO
00:17:47.10\00:17:51.36
HE IS A MILITANT ATHEIST
AND THAT HE IS GOING OUT,
00:17:51.36\00:17:54.86
LITERALLY TRYING
TO DESTROY YOUR FAITH
00:17:54.86\00:17:55.73
>>BILL: ISN'T THAT
INTERESTING? YEAH, BECAUSE
00:17:55.73\00:17:59.36
THEY POSITION IT AS
A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST
00:17:59.36\00:18:02.86
SCIENCE, SCIENTIFIC.>>RANDY
00:18:02.86\00:18:03.50
SCIENCE VERSUS RELIGION.
00:18:03.50\00:18:05.73
>>BILL:.YEAH.
>>RANDY: SCIENCE VERSUS REASON.
00:18:05.73\00:18:06.70
>>BILL: SCIENCE
VERSUS REASON. THAT'S RIGHT.
00:18:06.70\00:18:10.26
BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING
IS THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY AN
00:18:10.26\00:18:11.86
ULTERIOR MOTIVE
THAT'S DRIVING THIS. THEIR
00:18:11.86\00:18:12.80
INTENT IS TO TEAR DOWN
THE RELIGIOUS, THE CHRISTIAN
00:18:12.80\00:18:14.86
FAITH. >>RANDY: AND,
OF COURSE, I DON'T WANT TO
00:18:14.86\00:18:18.23
MALIGN SCIENTISTS, I
DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT ALL
00:18:18.23\00:18:19.23
SCIENTISTS.>>BILL: NO.
OF COURSE NOT EVERYBODY.
00:18:19.23\00:18:22.06
>>RANDY:.MOST OF THE
PEOPLE LIKE WE'RE TALKING
00:18:22.06\00:18:23.86
ABOUT ARE - JUST
BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
00:18:23.86\00:18:24.93
THEY'VE BEEN TAUGHT,
THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THAT
00:18:24.93\00:18:27.10
IT IS TRUE. BUT THERE IS
A GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT THERE,
00:18:27.10\00:18:30.33
HUMANISTS, THAT ARE,
THAT WANT TO DESTROY ANY TYPE
00:18:30.33\00:18:31.46
OF RELIGION BECAUSE
THEY BELIEVE THAT FAITH IS
00:18:31.46\00:18:36.86
DANGEROUS. >>BILL:
WELL, YOU KNOW, ON ONE SIDE, I
00:18:36.86\00:18:39.43
MEAN I'VE LISTENED
TO HITCHENS AND DAWKINS
00:18:39.43\00:18:40.36
SOMETIMES, PARTICULARLY,
I GUESS IT'S HITCHENS THAT
00:18:40.36\00:18:44.00
SAYS - HE LIKES TO SITE
A LOT OF THE BAD THAT HAS
00:18:44.00\00:18:49.63
HAPPENED AND HAS BEEN
DONE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION
00:18:49.63\00:18:50.70
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO
ADMIT THAT SOMETIMES ORGANIZED
00:18:50.70\00:18:54.20
RELIGION SOMETIMES HAS
NOT LIVED OUT, HASN'T LIVED
00:18:54.20\00:19:01.40
THAT CHRISTIANS NEED TO
BE LIVING. AND ALL THAT DOES
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IS JUST FEED THE
ARGUMENTS THAT THESE GUYS -
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YOU KNOW, THEIR ARGUMENTS
>>RANDY: WHAT I WOULD SAY
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TO THAT WHENEVER THAT
COMES UP IN AN ARGUMENT
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OR A CONVERSATION
WITH SOMEONE, I WOULD SAY,
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OF COURSE YOU ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT SOME TERRIBLE THINGS
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HAVE BEEN IN THE NAME
OF CHRISTIANITY AND IN THE
00:19:18.23\00:19:19.26
NAME OF CHRIST BUT
WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT CHRIST
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ACTUALLY TAUGHT,
THE PEOPLE WHO DID THOSE
00:19:21.46\00:19:25.16
TERRIBLE THINGS IN
HIS NAME WERE NOT BEING
00:19:25.16\00:19:26.10
CONSISTENT. THEY WERE
NOT FOLLOWING HIS TEACHINGS.
00:19:26.10\00:19:28.10
BUT WHEN HITLER TRIES TO
BREED THE MASTER RACE, HE
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IS FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS
OF EV.HE IS FOLLOWING.IT'S
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THE NATURAL OUTPLAYING
OF WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT
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TO HAPPEN. SURVIVAL OF
THE FITTEST. SO, WE GET MAD AT
00:19:36.66\00:19:39.50
PEOPLE WHO ARE
INCONSISTENT IN THEIR
00:19:39.50\00:19:40.33
BELIEFS. SO, THAT'S
WHY THEY CAN BE ANGRY AT
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CHRISTIANS WHO ARE
NOT FOLLOWING WHAT JESUS
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TAUGHT. AND THEY HAVE
A RIGHT TO DO SO BUT THEY
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CAN'T GET MAD AT
HITLER BECAUSE HE WAS BEING
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CONSISTENT WITH HIS
EVOLUTIONARY TEACHINGS.
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>>BILL: RIGHT. >>RANDY:
ONE MORE QUOTE THAT I WANT
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TO READ - IT'S KIND OF
A LONG ONE HERE BUT IT'S
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FROM A GENTLEMAN NAMED -
I USE THE TERM LOOSELY - A
00:19:58.56\00:20:00.93
GENTLEMAN G.
RICHARD BOSARTH, IN AMERICAN
00:20:00.93\00:20:01.96
ATHEIST MAGAZINE,
SAID, "ATHEISM WILL BE
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READY TO FILL THE VOID OF
CHRISTIANITY'S DEMISE WHEN
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SCIENCE AND EVOLUTION
TRIUMPH. CHRISTIANITY HAS
00:20:09.86\00:20:10.86
FOUGHT, STILL FIGHTS,
AND WILL FIGHT SCIENCE TO
00:20:10.86\00:20:13.76
THE DESPERATE END
OVER EVOLUTION. BECAUSE
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EVOLUTION DESTROYS
UTTERLY AND FINALLY THE VERY
00:20:18.13\00:20:19.13
REASON JESUS' EARTHY
LIFE WAS SUPPOSEDLY MADE
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NECESSARY. DESTROY ADAM
AND EVE AND THE ORIGINAL
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SIN AND IN THE RUBBLE
YOU WILL FIND THE SORRY
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REMAINS OF THE SON OF
GOD, TAKE AWAY THE MEANING OF
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HIS DEATH. IF JESUS WAS
NOT THE REDEEMER WHO DIED
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FOR OUR SINS AND THIS IS
WHAT EVOLUTION MEANS THEN
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CHRISTIANITY IS NOTHING'.
00:20:33.53\00:20:39.20
I FIND THAT
EXTREMELY TELLING AND EXTREMELY
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POWERFUL. YOU KNOW, IF
YOU WANT TO DESTROY A BUILDING
00:20:40.16\00:20:43.23
YOU GET AT THE
FOUNDATIONS AND YOU DESTROY THE
00:20:43.23\00:20:46.76
BUILDING FROM
UNDERNEATH. WELL, ONE
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OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF
CHRISTIANITY IS MOST OF
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THE MAJOR DOCTRINES OF
THE FALL, OF ORIGINAL SIN, AND
00:20:50.66\00:20:54.10
HOW DEATH CAME INTO THE
WORLD ARE ALL FOUND IN THE
00:20:54.10\00:20:55.16
FIRST CHAPTERS OF GENESIS.
00:20:55.16\00:20:59.00
>>BILL: YES. YES.
>>RANDY: DESTROY THE FOUNDATION,
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DESTROY THE CREATION
STORY, NO FLOOD, NO ADAM
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AND EVE, NO CREATOR,
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY
00:21:01.80\00:21:06.80
YOU DO IT. AND
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE
00:21:06.80\00:21:07.73
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR
A CHRISTIAN TO RECONCILE -
00:21:07.73\00:21:12.03
THERE'S WHAT'S KNOWN AS
THEISTIC EVOLUTION WHERE
00:21:12.03\00:21:15.40
YOU TRY TO BELIEVE
THAT GOD USED THE PROCESS OF
00:21:15.40\00:21:16.43
EVOLUTION BRING US ABOUT.
00:21:16.43\00:21:19.26
BUT ONE MAJOR
PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE
00:21:19.26\00:21:20.23
BIBLE TEACHES US THAT
MAN BROUGHT, THROUGH HIS SIN,
00:21:20.23\00:21:24.86
BROUGHT DEATH INTO THE
WORLD. AND YET, THE BIBLE
00:21:24.86\00:21:28.80
TEACHES THAT GOD
CREATED ADAM AND EVE ON
00:21:28.80\00:21:29.66
DAY SIX AND HE
PRONOUCED EVERYTHING TO BE
00:21:29.66\00:21:35.16
VERY GOOD. NOW, WERE THEY
STANDING THERE ON A FOSSIL
00:21:35.16\00:21:37.90
RECORD OF BILLIONS OF
DEAD THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN
00:21:37.90\00:21:38.93
TEARING EACH OTHER
APART FOR MILLENIA AND
00:21:38.93\00:21:43.86
GOD PRONOUCED THAT TO
BE VERY GOOD. >>BILL: NOT A
00:21:43.86\00:21:47.23
CHANCE. >>RANDY: IT'S
NOT RECONCILABLE WITH THE
00:21:47.23\00:21:48.23
BIBLE IN MANY, MANY WAYS.
00:21:48.23\00:21:51.73
SO, THAT IS WHY I THINK
THIS ISSUE IS SO IMPORTANT
00:21:51.73\00:21:52.80
IS BECAUSE IT
REALLY UNDERMINES THE WHOLE
00:21:52.80\00:21:59.66
CHRISTIAN FAITH IF YOU
TAKE AWAY THE FOUNDATIONS,
00:21:59.66\00:22:04.16
THE WHOLE THING
COLLAPSES. WHY DO YOU NEED
00:22:04.16\00:22:05.10
A REDEEMER? >>BILL: SURE.
00:22:05.10\00:22:09.50
>>RANDY: WHY DO YOU
NEED TO COME AND DIE FOR OUR
00:22:09.50\00:22:10.63
SINS, IF THERE'S NO
SUCH THING AS SIN? WHICH IS
00:22:10.63\00:22:14.60
WHAT THE NEW AGE MOVEMENT
TRIES TO SAY, THAT THERE
00:22:14.60\00:22:17.23
IS NO SUCH THING AS SIN,
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS
00:22:17.23\00:22:18.23
EVIL, AND THEY JUST TRY
TO DENY IT ALL. AND.>>BILL:
00:22:18.23\00:22:22.76
PAUL SAYS THAT IF
JESUS DIDN'T COME AND DIE AND
00:22:22.76\00:22:26.70
RESURRECT, THEN EVERYTHING
WE BELIEVE IS IN VAIN,
00:22:26.70\00:22:27.73
RIGHT? >>RANDY: EXACTLY.
00:22:27.73\00:22:30.20
>>BILL: IF THAT DIDN'T
HAPPEN, THAT'S NOT THERE,
00:22:30.20\00:22:31.20
THEN WE BELIEVE NOTHING.
00:22:31.20\00:22:35.10
>>RANDY: NOW, I'LL
JUST LEAVE YOU WITH ONE MORE
00:22:35.10\00:22:36.13
IDEA. >>BILL: ABSOLUTELY.
00:22:36.13\00:22:38.23
>>RANDY: THIS IS
SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC BECAUSE IT'S
00:22:38.23\00:22:39.23
NOT REALLY TO DO
WITH EVOLUTION BUT IT IS
00:22:39.23\00:22:42.60
STILL TO DO WITH CREATION
>>BILL: OKAY. >>RANDY: AND
00:22:42.60\00:22:44.43
I THINK THIS IS JUST A
WONDERFUL WAY TO END THIS
00:22:44.43\00:22:45.43
SEGMENT IS, THE BIBLE
TELLS US, GENESIS 1:1, "IN
00:22:45.43\00:22:48.83
THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED
THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH".
00:22:48.83\00:22:52.36
NOW, SINCE THE TIME OF
EINSTEIN, WE HAVE KNOWN
00:22:52.36\00:22:53.36
THAT TIME, SPACE,
AND MATTER ARE ALL
00:22:53.36\00:22:58.70
INTERCONNECTED. IF YOU
HAD MATTER BUT NO SPACE, WHERE
00:22:58.70\00:23:04.83
WOULD YOU PUT IT? IF
YOU HAD MATTER AND SPACE BUT
00:23:04.83\00:23:05.80
NO TIME, WHEN WOULD
YOU PUT IT? SO, TIME,
00:23:05.80\00:23:08.40
SPACE, AND MATTER ARE
A CONTINUEM, THEY HAVE TO
00:23:08.40\00:23:11.66
HAVE COME INTO EXISTENCE
ALL AT ONCE. NOW, HERE'S
00:23:11.66\00:23:12.63
WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.
00:23:12.63\00:23:15.26
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT
FIRST VERSE IN GENESIS, 'IN THE
00:23:15.26\00:23:16.30
BEGINNING', THAT'S TIME;
'GOD CREATED THE HEAVEN',
00:23:16.30\00:23:20.63
THAT'S SPACE; 'AND THE
EARTH', THAT'S MATTER. BUT
00:23:20.63\00:23:22.90
IT GETS EVEN BETTER. IF
YOU LOOK AT TIME, THERE'S
00:23:22.90\00:23:23.93
PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE.
00:23:23.93\00:23:28.93
>>BILL: OKAY.
>>RANDY: IF YOU LOOK AT SPACE,
00:23:28.93\00:23:30.03
THERE'S LENGTH, WIDTH,
AND HEIGHTH. IF YOU LOOK
00:23:30.03\00:23:31.90
AT MATTER, THERE'S
SOLID, LIQUID, GAS. SO, I SUBMIT
00:23:31.90\00:23:35.03
TO YOU THAT IN THE
FIRST TEN WORDS OF THE BIBLE,
00:23:35.03\00:23:36.13
IN GENESIS 1:1, YOU HAVE
A TRINITY OF TRINITIES IN
00:23:36.13\00:23:40.53
THE FIRST TEN WORDS OF
THE BIBLE AND I SAY ONLY GOD
00:23:40.53\00:23:45.63
COULD WRITE A BOOK
LIKE THAT. >>BILL: YOU'RE
00:23:45.63\00:23:46.60
ABSOLUTELYIGHT, RANDY.
00:23:46.60\00:23:48.86
WOW, EXCELLENT
WORK. >>RANDY: THANK YOU.
00:23:48.86\00:23:49.73
>>BILL: NOW, THIS
MATERIAL IS IN YOUR BOOK, RIGHT?
00:23:49.73\00:23:54.93
>>RANDY: MOST OF IT
BUT NOT ALL OF IT. YES.
00:23:54.93\00:23:57.30
>>BILL: OKAY. JUST
LET FOLKS KNOW AS TO WHERE
00:23:57.30\00:23:58.26
THEY CAN GET THIS.
00:23:58.26\00:24:03.90
>>RANDY: SURE. IT IS
- THE WEBSITE IS W W W .
00:24:03.90\00:24:04.86
EVOLUTIONFACTORFICTION
.COM, WHICH THAT IS THE
00:24:04.86\00:24:07.96
TITLE OF THE BOOK. SO
IF YOU KNOW THE NAME, YOU
00:24:07.96\00:24:11.40
KNOW THE WEBSITE.
>>BILL: GO AHEAD. >>RANDY: WELL,
00:24:11.40\00:24:12.40
THEY CAN DOWNLOAD
THE FIRST THREE CHAPTERS
00:24:12.40\00:24:15.30
OF THE BOOK FOR FREE.
THEY GET A LOT OF THE QUOTES IN
00:24:15.30\00:24:19.96
THERE. THERE'S A VIDEO
ON THERE THAT THEY CAN WATCH
00:24:19.96\00:24:21.00
THERE'S OTHER
MATERIAL THERE THAT I'VE POSTED
00:24:21.00\00:24:22.53
WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR
DOWNLOAD FOR FREE. AND A
00:24:22.53\00:24:25.16
LOT OF THIS
MATERIAL PRESENTED BY OTHER
00:24:25.16\00:24:26.03
AUTHORS. AN EXCELLENT
ARTICLE ABOUT THE ICONS OF
00:24:26.03\00:24:30.50
EVOLUTION AND DISMANTLING
THEM IS ON THE WEBSITE
00:24:30.50\00:24:35.10
TOO, ALSO. >>BILL: NOW,
DO YOU DO THESE PRESENTATIONS
00:24:35.10\00:24:36.20
IN DIFFERENT PLACES,
SOMETIMES? >>RANDY: I DO.
00:24:36.20\00:24:38.70
I AM AVAILABLE TO COME
TO YOUR CHURCH AND COME AND
00:24:38.70\00:24:42.83
SPEAK. >>BILL: THEY
CAN CONTACT YOU THROUGH
00:24:42.83\00:24:43.80
THE WEBSITE. >>RANDY:
DEFINITELY. >>BILL: GREAT.
00:24:43.80\00:24:46.26
IF ANYBODY IS WATCHING
AND WOULD LIKE RANDY TO COME
00:24:46.26\00:24:48.13
OUT, THEY CAN CONTACT
YOU THROUGH THE WEBSITE
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>>RANDY: SURE.
>>BILL: LET'S HAVE A WORD
00:24:49.13\00:24:54.00
OF PRAYER AS WE COME
TO AN END OF THIS SEGMENT.
00:24:54.00\00:24:55.66
FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORD AND YOUR
00:24:55.66\00:24:56.76
LOVE TOWARDS US. WE
THANK YOU FOR RANDY AND THE
00:24:56.76\00:25:01.03
RESEARCH HE HAS DONE AND
THE WISDOM YOU HAVE GIVEN
00:25:01.03\00:25:04.83
HIM, FATHER. CONTINUE
TO USE HIM TO PROCLAIM YOUR
00:25:04.83\00:25:05.80
TRUTH IN THIS WORLD THAT
IS SOMETIMES SO CONFUSING.
00:25:05.80\00:25:09.03
FATHER, I THINK OF
OUR VIEWERS RIGHT NOW. MAY
00:25:09.03\00:25:12.76
THOSE THAT KNOW YOU BE
DRAWN CLOSER TO YOU AND
00:25:12.76\00:25:13.76
THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW
YOU, MAY THEY SURRENDER THEIR
00:25:13.76\00:25:18.90
LIVES TO YOU AT THIS
TIME I PRAY IN JESUS' NAME.
00:25:18.90\00:25:23.56
AMEN.
00:25:23.56\00:25:25.70
(MUSIC)
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>>BILL: IF YOU ENJOYED
RANDY'S PRESENTATION TODAY
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ON OUR PROGRAM AND
WOULD LIKE TO GET A COPY OF IT
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ON DVD, WE CAN MAKE THAT
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FREE OF CHARGE. HERE'S THE
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INFORMATION YOU NEED
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>>BILL: WELL, RANDY,
WE'VE COME TO THE END OF ANOTHER
00:26:56.00\00:26:57.23
PROGRAM. THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO
00:26:57.23\00:26:58.86
BE HERE AND TO SHARE
THIS >>RANDY: YOU'RE WELCOME.
00:26:58.86\00:27:02.16
>>BILL: AND, YOU KNOW
WHAT, AS YOU GATHER MORE
00:27:02.16\00:27:03.13
INFORMATION LET US
KNOW AND WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK
00:27:03.13\00:27:05.66
ON. >>RANDY: SURE.
>>BILL: THANK YOU. AND LET ME
00:27:05.66\00:27:07.20
THANK OUR VIEWERS THAT
FAITHFULLY TUNE IN EVERY
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WEEK. WE APPRECIATE THAT.
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AND LET ME REMIND
YOU THAT WE HAVE A
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WEBSITE YOU CAN VISIT.
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ON THAT WEBSITE YOU
CAN SEND COMMENTS ABOUT THE
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PROGRAM; YOU CAN SEND
PRAYER REQUESTS. I WANT
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YOU TO KNOW THAT OUR
TEAM GATHERS EVERY MORNING
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AND THEY PRAY OVER THE
REQUESTS THAT COME IN OVER
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WELL, WE'LL BE PRAYING THAT THE
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GOOD LORD ALLOWS US TO BE
BACK HERE AGAIN NEXT WEEK.
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WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US.
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UNTIL THEN, REMEMBER, IT
IS WRITTEN; MAN SHALL NOT
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LIVE BY BREAD ALONE BUT
BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS
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