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>>John Bradshaw:
This is "It Is Written."
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I'm John Bradshaw.
Thanks for joining me.
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For decades and
decades, depression and anxiety
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have presented the United States
and other first-world countries
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around the world with a
major health care crisis.
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Dr. Neil Nedley spoke
with me about this subject
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about 10 years ago.
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He's the president of
Nedley Health and for 25 years
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has been successfully treating
people battling all forms
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of depression and anxiety.
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And we're
catching up again today.
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Dr. Nedley, thanks
for being here with me.
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>>Dr. Neil Nedley: Great
to be back with you, John.
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>>John: You talk
about depression and how
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to successfully treat
depression through lifestyle.
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Why would we talk about
this when there are already
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myriad
treatments for depression?
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Why aren't you saying there's
an array of drugs available
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on the market, grab
one, and off you go?
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Why are you not saying that?
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>>Dr. Nedley: Well, because
those drugs have been tested
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and tried, and all sorts of
studies have been done on them.
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They can help certain patients,
but their help is limited,
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and they actually
don't decrease suicide risk,
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and they don't
improve functioning that much.
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Uh, I mean, over placebo, one
of the drugs improves function
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by about 6 percent, but most
of them don't improve function.
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And depression is a
disease that disables.
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It causes a lot of
dysfunction, and of course,
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it's also one of the
leading causes of death now
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with suicide
rates being so high.
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And so, why would we recommend
that they take something
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that isn't going to
improve in those parameters?
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And so, it's not that
we're against medicine.
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We have patients come to
our program with medication.
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We'll take them with or without,
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and we'll keep them on their
medicine until they're better
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and don't need them,
but medications alone
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are not the answer
for depression or anxiety.
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>>John: Okay. Be really
easy for somebody to say,
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"Well, Dr. Nedley
has a vested interest,"
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or, "He's got an ax to grind."
I want to ask you, do you?
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And I want to ask you, how much
of what you're sharing with me
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is opinion versus hard science?
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>>Dr. Nedley: It's hard science.
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Even the top pharmaceutical
researchers in the world
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will tell you that
drugs have their limitations
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and that they're not the answer.
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Uh, consensus mental
health organizations tell us
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that drugs are not the
answer to this problem.
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Once again, they can
help in certain situations,
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but they're not the answer.
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We have to go beyond drugs
if we're going to eradicate
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and produce the great
results that can be obtained
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for depressed
and anxious people.
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>>John: In a
moment, not right now,
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in a moment I'm going to
ask you what the answer is.
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Here's my first
question going down that road:
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Is there an answer for
depression and anxiety?
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>>Dr. Nedley:
Absolutely, there's an answer.
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>>John: You said
that unequivocally.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Unequivocally,
yes. And we published on it.
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Our case reports are,
are very well obtained,
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and the typical patient that we
see with depression and anxiety,
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severe, actually,
or maybe even extreme,
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will leave our
program in 10 days
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with no depression and anxiety.
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And their emotional
intelligence will go up.
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Now, it requires
their cooperation.
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We have to do a
number of different things
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to produce this dramatic
change in their brain chemistry
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and their change in
their thought pattern,
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but it's well worth the effort.
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>>John: The reason I think it's
important we speak about this
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from a, a faith-based point
of view is that the Bible speaks
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again and again
and again about health,
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and mental health
is supremely important.
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Look, just to
digress for a brief moment,
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I think it's
important we talk about this
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because...too few people
speak about mental health.
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Like it or not, there's still
a stigma about mental health
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where someone who
has a, an ingrown toenail
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is happy to tell his
friend he had surgery,
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but somebody with a
mental health issue will keep it
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to himself or herself,
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maybe to their
detriment or even their demise.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Exactly.
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>>John: And, and another reason
we want to talk about this
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is because looking at it
from a biblical point of view,
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we see that ultimately,
ultimately this thing
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between good and evil
is a battle for the mind.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Mm-hmm.
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>>John: So, in one
place the Bible says,
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"We have the mind of Christ."
We want that as far as possible.
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>>Dr. Nedley:
Mm-hmm. >>John: Okay.
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Let's define some
things here. What's depression?
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I know you talk
about that ad infinitum,
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but briefly, what's depression?
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And help me understand
the difference between severe
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and, and, and extreme
and these various forms.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Yes. So, a
major depression is actually
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a constellation of symptoms.
And I use the psychiatric bible;
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the Diagnostic
Statistical Manual gives us
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nine hallmark
symptoms of depression.
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You don't have to
have all nine of them,
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but you have to
have five of those nine.
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But two of the
classic are deep sadness--
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which you may not even
have and still have depression--
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and apathy. This is where
you wake up in the morning
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and you're not
excited about the day.
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You get up out of duty
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but not because
you're interested in the day.
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And that will happen
not just once in a while,
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but for a depressed person
it'll be there for, you know,
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at least two weeks.
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In addition to that,
there'll be energy issues.
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There'll be sleep
issues, either wanting to sleep
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all the time or not
being able to sleep,
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and waking up too early and not
being able to go back to sleep.
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Then there's more irritability
than there used to be.
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And then focus and
concentration issues
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can also be a major problem,
where you're reading something
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that's interesting to you, you
get to the bottom of the page,
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and you forget what
was at the top of the page.
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And you have to go
back and read it again,
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and it might even happen again.
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And that can be a sign of
both anxiety and depression.
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>>John: But you're not
saying one of those means
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you have depression. You're
saying there's nine points;
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if you have five,
that qualifies you.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Correct.
>>John: So I don't want anyone
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to think because they can't
focus on a page, that means
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too much, but it
might. >>Dr. Nedley: It might.
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>>John: Yeah. >>Dr.
Nedley: It might, yeah.
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>>John: Taken
together with other--
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>>Dr. Nedley:
Yeah. >>John: ...things.
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We're going to get to
the cure, if you like,
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the treatment for depression
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in a moment, but I
wanna-- >>Dr. Nedley: Sure.
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>>John: ...ask you this.
See, we, we, we've spoken
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about this before. Ten
years ago we talked about this.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Right.
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>>John: And society
has known for decades
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we have a great
problem in this area.
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What's happened
in the last 10 years
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in terms of
depression and anxiety?
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>>Dr. Nedley: The rates
have gone up astronomically
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in the last 10 years.
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And, you know, what has also
shifted is depression used to be
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the older you get, the more
likely you're going to get it.
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And now we're seeing this
big peak among young people,
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adolescents, uh,
teenagers, even pre-teenagers,
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and particularly
those in their 20s--
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off the charts in regards to
depression and anxiety levels.
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And that's changed
over the last 10 years.
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>>John: And why is that?
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>>Dr. Nedley: The reason is
actually the smartphone usage.
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Uh, it wasn't till
about 10 or 11 years ago
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that about half of
Americans owned a smartphone.
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And now that smartphone is
actually able to distract them
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very easily. And when we
are driven to distraction,
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it actually decreases
an area of our frontal lobe
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that is precisely
the area that's needed
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for managing
distressing emotions.
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And so, it's not the
smartphone itself, per se,
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but the normal
use of the smartphone
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where we're allowing ourself
to get distracted by Snapchats,
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texts, push notifications,
and even when we get on there
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to do something, we forget why
we got on there to do something,
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and we immediately see a text
or an email or things like that,
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and that division of
attention actually causes
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biochemical, uh,
consequences in the brain,
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and those biochemical
consequences increase
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the rates of
depression and anxiety.
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>>John: So, in recent
years it has become much worse.
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In recent years it's
affecting far greater numbers
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of younger people. Okay.
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We're going to talk
about what a person can do
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about depression and anxiety.
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My guest is Dr. Neil Nedley,
president of Nedley Health.
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In just a moment we will talk
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about what a
person can actually do.
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Dr. Nedley said a moment ago
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there is successful treatment
for depression and anxiety.
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We'll find out what
that is straight ahead.
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>>John Bradshaw:
Welcome back to "It Is Written."
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Thanks so much for
joining me. I'm John Bradshaw.
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With me, my guest
is Dr. Neil Nedley,
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the president of Nedley Health.
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Dr. Nedley, you--we're
about to start talking about
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successful
treatment for depression.
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Give us a
little background here.
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I said for a
quarter of a century now
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you've been
successfully treating patients.
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>>Dr. Neil Nedley:
Correct. >>John: Uh, give me a,
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just a very quick overview.
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What do you see walk in the
door? What do you see walk out?
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Once we help people understand
what the, the reality is
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of successful treatment, then
we'll talk about the treatment.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Okay. So, what we
see typically walk in the door
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is someone who is
severely depressed
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and also thinking
about ending their life.
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At least most of
them now that see us
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think that they
would be better off dead.
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And they're actually
convinced of that, uh,
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when they come to the program.
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It's affected their family life.
It's affected their work life.
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It's affected their
feelings about themselves.
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Uh, and it has also, uh,
caused them to even think
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that they're worthless
or that they're of no value.
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And so, uh, that is
more of the typical.
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Of course, there can be a lot of
varieties, um, concerning that.
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Uh, but on top of it,
they'll also have anxiety.
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They'll have social anxiety,
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which is more of
our typical patient now.
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Uh, they don't really
want to interact with people--
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fear of embarrassment,
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uh, fear of being exposed
in some way, shape, or form,
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fear of being judged.
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And so, uh, this is
our, um, our typical patient
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that comes in. And of course,
they're pretty reticent because
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they're in a new setting,
and this has been, you know,
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a big, big challenge for them
to even come to the program.
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And on day
three, they're not sure
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that they've actually
made the right decision
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because it takes
time for the therapies
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to actually start
changing the brain.
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By day four, they're actually
starting to feel better.
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By day seven, it's
pretty amazing the difference.
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And by day 10, when they're
walking out the door, they say,
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"I don't even really
realize who that person was.
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I'm so different now."
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They are motivated.
They're self-motivated.
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They're
actually sleeping better.
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They're able to interact with
people that they don't know,
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uh, and not have that
anxiety and fear of judgment.
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They realize that
they're a valuable human being,
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and they realize that they
have much that they can give
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to their families and, and their
work and the world around them.
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And so, depression scale
goes from severe, on average,
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to no depression
when they're leaving.
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That doesn't mean it's solved.
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They still have to
continue to do the things
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that made them
better in the program,
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and then they'll even
get better yet, uh, two weeks
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after they're in
their home environment.
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Some of them get fearful because
they say, "I got better here.
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"Now I'm going home,
where I was really bad,
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and I'm getting
backed into the same place."
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But actually, as they utilize
the tools that we've given them,
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they'll actually feel better
two weeks after being home
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than the day
they left the program.
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>>John: See, this
sounds, this sounds miraculous,
00:12:46.83\00:12:49.96
[Dr. Nedley chuckles] like,
like people are being reborn.
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But this is what God
wants for a person's life.
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And I, I think, as we
talk about depression,
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it's really important to
point out that depression
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isn't something that the average
person can just get over--
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"Why don't you
pull yourself together?"
00:13:03.91\00:13:05.88
>>Dr. Nedley: Right.
00:13:05.91\00:13:06.82
>>John: This is--
depression's a monster.
00:13:06.85\00:13:08.58
And it absolutely
disables people. Okay.
00:13:08.62\00:13:12.12
Let's talk about the successful
treatment. What works?
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And I want you to share with
me what works scientifically--
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>>Dr. Nedley: Sure.
>>John: ...and verifiably.
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>>Dr. Nedley:
Okay. >>John: Okay, so,
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what really helps?
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>>Dr. Nedley: It's
actually a combination
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of a number of simple
factors we've put together.
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>>John: Simple factors?
>>Dr. Nedley: Simple factors,
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like drinking more water.
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>>John: We're talking about...an
absolutely disabling condition--
00:13:33.91\00:13:38.88
>>Dr. Nedley: Right.
00:13:38.91\00:13:39.98
>>John: ...where the
people suffering from this--
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>>Dr. Nedley: Yes.
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>>John: ...believe in their
hearts that the world would be
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a better place without
them? >>Dr. Nedley: Right.
00:13:44.42\00:13:46.39
>>John: And you're
starting with drink more water?
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>>Dr. Nedley: Drink more
water. >>John: Okay, okay.
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I don't want to hear too
much more about the treatment.
00:13:51.09\00:13:52.93
[Dr. Nedley chuckles]
Take, take 20 or 30 seconds
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and tell me why does that
kind of simple thing help.
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What, what's going on in a life
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that something like that
could even make a difference?
00:14:01.14\00:14:03.97
>>Dr. Nedley: Well,
our brain cells work better
00:14:04.01\00:14:06.44
when they're hydrated. And
nothing hydrates like water.
00:14:06.47\00:14:10.65
All the other water
substitutes actually take away
00:14:10.68\00:14:13.85
from the
hydration of our neurons
00:14:13.88\00:14:15.62
and our ability to
have good synaptic activity.
00:14:15.65\00:14:18.35
>>John: Okay.
>>Dr. Nedley: And so,
00:14:18.39\00:14:19.42
studies have shown, actually,
00:14:19.45\00:14:20.99
if we just take someone from
less than two glasses of water
00:14:21.02\00:14:24.09
per day, which the
typical person has,
00:14:24.13\00:14:27.13
to greater than five
glasses of water a day,
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their rates of depression
and anxiety will actually start
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to improve within a
week of that treatment.
00:14:33.70\00:14:36.44
>>John: So what else is
effective in the treatment
00:14:36.47\00:14:39.17
of depression and
anxiety? Simple things.
00:14:39.21\00:14:41.34
>>Dr. Nedley:
Becoming physically fit.
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Physical fitness is
actually better for our brain
00:14:43.75\00:14:46.51
than it is our body.
00:14:46.55\00:14:48.28
And cardio exercises
actually improve a protein level
00:14:48.32\00:14:53.76
in our brain called brain-
derived neurotrophic factor.
00:14:53.79\00:14:57.13
It's kind of a brain fertilizer,
00:14:57.16\00:14:59.29
and it helps the brain get
ready for positive changes.
00:14:59.33\00:15:02.86
So, there are some
people that are fit
00:15:02.90\00:15:05.33
that come to our program.
00:15:05.37\00:15:06.50
Their causes are different,
but most people that come
00:15:06.53\00:15:09.27
are not at the fitness
level they should be at,
00:15:09.30\00:15:12.27
and that's why we have
fitness experts, and in 10 days,
00:15:12.31\00:15:16.51
and they're
going to actually show
00:15:16.54\00:15:17.85
measurable fitness
improvement in their cardio
00:15:17.88\00:15:21.62
and a lot of
different parameters.
00:15:21.65\00:15:23.18
And that will
mirror very much, uh,
00:15:23.22\00:15:25.65
their success
during the program.
00:15:25.69\00:15:27.46
>>John: Give me another one,
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and then something
I want to run by you.
00:15:28.52\00:15:31.16
>>Dr. Nedley: So, another one is
actually light--light therapy.
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So we utilize
light in the morning.
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Actually we have them wake up
at the same time every morning,
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and then they're exposed to a
bright light that actually sets
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their body clock,
their circadian rhythm,
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and it also starts the
production of serotonin
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in the brain. And those
two factors are very important.
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It's going to
improve their energy level
00:15:59.32\00:16:00.86
throughout the day, and it's
going to improve their ability
00:16:00.89\00:16:04.79
to go to sleep at night.
00:16:04.83\00:16:06.46
In fact, that's one
of the best sleep aids,
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is a light therapy box utilized
upon awakening in the morning.
00:16:08.53\00:16:14.04
So, they're only exposed
to it for about 30 minutes.
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Then we get 'em
out and exercise.
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And those simple treatments
of hydration, physical exercise,
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and light therapy
start the process.
00:16:23.48\00:16:26.31
>>John: You said
"simple treatments."
00:16:26.35\00:16:28.65
They are profoundly
simple. [Dr. Nedley chuckles]
00:16:28.68\00:16:30.82
It, it seems that what you're
doing is actually treating
00:16:30.85\00:16:35.59
the causes of depression--
00:16:35.62\00:16:38.23
not enough
activity, not enough water,
00:16:38.26\00:16:40.06
not enough light.
>>Dr. Nedley: Yes.
00:16:40.10\00:16:41.53
>>John: You're, you're
actually taking us down
00:16:41.56\00:16:42.80
to the granular level
in treating the very things
00:16:42.83\00:16:45.40
that cause depression.
>>Dr. Nedley: Exactly.
00:16:45.43\00:16:47.30
>>John: That's not how
depression is typically treated.
00:16:47.34\00:16:48.90
It's typically treated--
00:16:48.94\00:16:49.90
well, we have a range
of possible medications.
00:16:49.94\00:16:52.71
"We'll try this one; come
back in a, in a week or two
00:16:52.74\00:16:55.21
or whatever, and maybe
we'll change your medication."
00:16:55.24\00:16:57.91
>>Dr. Nedley:
Mm-hmm. >>John: As a society,
00:16:57.95\00:16:59.21
we're really
stuck on medication,
00:16:59.25\00:17:00.88
as though it's the
solution for everything.
00:17:00.92\00:17:04.22
How in the world do
we change our thinking?
00:17:04.25\00:17:08.32
>>Dr. Nedley: Well, we
have to educate the public that
00:17:08.36\00:17:10.73
it's not just a lack of medicine
that's causing depression.
00:17:10.76\00:17:14.86
Uh, it's actually the
lack of good brain biochemistry
00:17:14.93\00:17:19.37
that has to do with
things like nutrition,
00:17:19.40\00:17:22.04
what we're
putting into our body,
00:17:22.07\00:17:23.87
and what we're
doing with our body.
00:17:23.91\00:17:25.37
>>John: What do some of
the medications actually do
00:17:25.41\00:17:27.24
to the brain?
00:17:27.28\00:17:28.81
>>Dr. Nedley: So, how the
typical antidepressant works,
00:17:28.84\00:17:33.15
it's not helping
the brain to produce
00:17:33.18\00:17:35.55
more of a neurotransmitter,
nor is it helping the receptors.
00:17:35.58\00:17:39.79
When we get to the root cause,
we're going to actually help
00:17:39.82\00:17:43.06
the brain produce more
of the neurotransmitter,
00:17:43.09\00:17:46.06
and we're going to be
helping at the receptor level
00:17:46.09\00:17:48.83
so that the
synaptic activity goes up.
00:17:48.86\00:17:51.73
How the drugs work is
that they actually plug
00:17:51.77\00:17:55.40
the reuptake channels
in the releasing neuron
00:17:55.44\00:18:00.14
of the substance
they're trying to treat.
00:18:00.18\00:18:01.81
So, if they're wanting to have
00:18:01.84\00:18:03.04
more serotonin
synaptic activity,
00:18:03.08\00:18:06.08
they plug the
serotonin reuptake channels.
00:18:06.11\00:18:09.85
And that allows more
serotonin in the synapse.
00:18:09.88\00:18:12.95
The problem with it is now we
have to make even more serotonin
00:18:12.99\00:18:17.23
because that
serotonin's not being vacuumed
00:18:17.26\00:18:19.23
back up into the brain.
00:18:19.26\00:18:20.86
And so it produces a short-term
benefit--by "short-term,"
00:18:20.90\00:18:23.80
maybe six months, nine
months--and after that,
00:18:23.83\00:18:27.30
now the brain is even
shorter in serotonin than it was
00:18:27.34\00:18:31.04
before you started to use
the drug, and now you're needing
00:18:31.07\00:18:34.08
dosage increases; you're
needing additional medicines;
00:18:34.11\00:18:37.38
you're needing a number of
other factors to try to help
00:18:37.41\00:18:41.55
the neuron of its even more
severe depletion of serotonin.
00:18:41.58\00:18:46.05
>>John: Simple
treatments that work,
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a complex,
challenging diagnosis,
00:18:48.26\00:18:50.66
but simple
treatments given by God
00:18:50.69\00:18:53.66
that make all the difference.
00:18:53.70\00:18:55.23
More on depression with Dr.
Neil Nedley in just a moment.
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>>John: Thanks for
joining me on "It Is Written."
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My guest is Dr. Neil Nedley,
who for a quarter of a century
00:20:40.50\00:20:44.74
has been successfully
treating people with depression
00:20:44.77\00:20:47.91
and anxiety, in many cases
extreme depression and anxiety.
00:20:47.94\00:20:53.82
You've had a great
deal of success with this?
00:20:53.85\00:20:55.55
>>Dr. Nedley: Yes.
00:20:55.58\00:20:56.55
>>John: We're talking about
00:20:56.58\00:20:57.49
simple treatments.
>>Dr. Nedley: Mm-hmm.
00:20:57.52\00:20:59.15
>>John: I mean, very simple
treatments. Let me ask you this.
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When it comes
to, uh, depression,
00:21:01.49\00:21:04.23
what role does nutrition play?
00:21:04.26\00:21:06.06
Well, what role does
nutrition play in the treatment?
00:21:06.09\00:21:10.27
>>Dr. Nedley: It
plays a major role.
00:21:10.30\00:21:11.93
In fact, it is well documented
now that nutritional medicine
00:21:11.97\00:21:17.17
is one of the best therapies
for depression and anxiety--
00:21:17.21\00:21:21.11
and directed nutritional
supplements to actually help
00:21:21.14\00:21:25.18
the individual with
the genetic challenges
00:21:25.21\00:21:27.68
that they might have as well.
00:21:27.72\00:21:29.12
>>John: Okay, so
what would that look like?
00:21:29.15\00:21:30.55
>>Dr. Nedley: For instance, uh,
taking a S-adenosylmethionine
00:21:30.59\00:21:36.02
to help the person
methylate and be able to make
00:21:36.06\00:21:39.26
more serotonin and
dopamine in their brain.
00:21:39.29\00:21:41.23
>>John: Okay.
00:21:41.26\00:21:42.23
>>Dr. Nedley: If they
have a genetic defect,
00:21:42.26\00:21:44.17
they're going to have
certain personality traits
00:21:44.20\00:21:46.40
that go along with that defect,
00:21:46.43\00:21:48.00
like a calm exterior
and a tense interior,
00:21:48.04\00:21:51.54
tendencies for obsessions,
tendencies for addictions,
00:21:51.57\00:21:56.58
and actually being
highly competitive.
00:21:56.61\00:21:59.18
Often it's the attorneys
or even the sports heroes
00:21:59.21\00:22:02.82
that suffer from mental health
issues, and they just need
00:22:02.85\00:22:06.92
more methionine or
S-adenosylmethionine
00:22:06.96\00:22:10.36
to help them methylate better.
That's a nutritional therapy.
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That is
something that's natural;
00:22:14.20\00:22:15.56
it's not something you can
get in a pharmaceutical agent
00:22:15.60\00:22:18.77
because the trademark
organization won't allow
00:22:18.80\00:22:22.74
something natural
to be trademarked.
00:22:22.77\00:22:24.57
It has to be unnatural in
order to get it trademarked.
00:22:24.61\00:22:28.08
And so, natural
therapies often are superior.
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>>John: Diet--you mentioned
nutrition--what about diet?
00:22:31.78\00:22:33.82
What, what am I
eating that's helping me
00:22:33.85\00:22:36.45
or mitigating
against good mental health?
00:22:36.48\00:22:40.12
>>Dr. Nedley: Yeah,
exactly. So, we need to get
00:22:40.16\00:22:42.02
tryptophan in your diet
in order to make serotonin.
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And we need to get the
tryptophan into the brain.
00:22:45.33\00:22:48.16
So, we don't
just give IV serotonin
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because serotonin won't
even be picked up by the brain.
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The blood-brain barrier
prevents it from going across.
00:22:53.80\00:22:56.14
So we need to
get the tryptophan,
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even that's too large
to get into the brain,
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so we have to have it
with specific carriers.
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And it turns out the
best carriers are foods
00:23:03.65\00:23:06.11
that have tryptophan and
natural carbohydrates in them.
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And those are going to be
more of your plant-based foods.
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One of the reasons
why a plant-based diet
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has been shown to be
superior to other diets,
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improving depression and anxiety
in as little as two weeks,
00:23:19.13\00:23:23.13
once we shift over to a,
a highly antioxidant diet
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that has adequate
tryptophan and tyrosine
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to make the
neurotransmitters we need.
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>>John: So, you
can eat certain foods
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that are going to help
you. >>Dr. Nedley: Exactly.
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>>John: Generally speaking,
they're more plant-based.
00:23:35.81\00:23:37.88
>>Dr. Nedley:
Correct. >>John: Okay, okay.
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You mentioned
genetics a moment ago.
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I want to ask you about this.
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Are some people genetically
predisposed to depression?
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Is that the case? And--
>>Dr. Nedley: Oh, absolutely.
00:23:47.02\00:23:48.66
>>John: Well, if so,
what do you do about that
00:23:48.69\00:23:49.89
if it's your genes? >>Dr.
Nedley: Well, fortunately,
00:23:49.92\00:23:52.39
we can shut
down those bad genes.
00:23:52.43\00:23:55.10
And so, when people come
to our program, we measure
00:23:55.13\00:23:58.27
their genetics--and we
also measure their epigenetics--
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to see if that
gene is active or not.
00:24:02.27\00:24:04.77
And fortunately,
it's not medication,
00:24:04.81\00:24:07.18
but it's natural therapies
00:24:07.21\00:24:09.11
that can actually
deactivate that gene.
00:24:09.14\00:24:12.05
And then we can actually measure
the before-and-after results.
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We can see that the gene was
very active to start out with,
00:24:15.45\00:24:18.62
and within a few
weeks, we remeasure.
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One of the reason why we
do follow-up on our patients
00:24:21.26\00:24:23.43
after they get back
is we're actually doing
00:24:23.46\00:24:25.13
follow-up blood
work to show that
00:24:25.16\00:24:27.30
that gene has been deactivated.
00:24:27.36\00:24:29.50
Or if it hasn't, there
might be some other therapies
00:24:29.53\00:24:31.93
that we can put into the
equation that are simple,
00:24:31.97\00:24:34.87
side effect free,
00:24:34.90\00:24:35.97
that'll actually shut
down that mutated gene.
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>>John: Thank God there are
00:24:38.54\00:24:39.81
simple solutions.
>>Dr. Nedley: Yes.
00:24:39.84\00:24:41.81
>>John: Appreciate
what you are doing.
00:24:41.84\00:24:44.41
What I'm hearing as I
listen between the lines
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is, is you're
following a very, a simple--
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I don't mean in
a derogatory way--
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very biblical plan
because God wants us
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to have a sound
mind. >>Dr. Nedley: Mm-hmm.
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>>John: Can anyone have that
sound mind that God is offering?
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>>Dr. Nedley:
Absolutely-- >>John: Yeah.
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>>Dr. Nedley: ...absolutely,
we, we, the design of our brain
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is tremendous because of
its ability to change itself.
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It can dramatically improve
under the right conditions.
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And that brain can
not only learn new things;
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it can start making
better neurotransmitters.
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It can have better receptors.
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It can have much more
fulfillment and success.
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Our brains are
capable of amazing things
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if we just foster
'em in the right way.
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>>John: There's one thing
I would like you to remember.
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That's this; the Bible says,
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"Thou
wilt"--speaking about God--
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"Thou wilt keep
him in perfect peace,
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whose mind is stayed on Thee:
because he trusteth in Thee."
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You read that in Isaiah 26:3.
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"Perfect peace."
>>Dr. Nedley: Mmm.
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>>John: The Bible says,
"Let this mind be in you,
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which was also in Christ Jesus,"
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speaking certainly of
an attitude, an approach,
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a humility, but definitely
speaking about a mind.
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When we look, Dr. Nedley,
at earth's last great crisis,
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it's a battle for the
mind. >>Dr. Nedley: Absolutely.
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>>John: Mark of the
beast, the seal of God,
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affixed to the minds
of those who receive them.
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I think there
are good days ahead.
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There's reason for every
last person to be hopeful.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Absolutely.
00:26:14.24\00:26:15.40
>>John: I appreciate you sharing
that hope. Thanks so much.
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>>Dr. Nedley: Thank you.
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>>John: Let's pray together now.
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Our Father in heaven,
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we thank You that
Jesus is the Prince of Peace.
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Anxiety and depression are
not Your plan for our lives.
00:26:57.75\00:27:01.82
We find no fault with people
who find themselves there;
00:27:01.85\00:27:05.12
instead, our
hearts beat in harmony
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and in sympathy with them,
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asking that You,
Lord, the Great Physician,
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would deliver everyone
looking for deliverance,
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would strengthen
everyone looking for strength,
00:27:14.93\00:27:17.83
that You would encourage
and uphold every last person
00:27:17.87\00:27:20.70
and deliver to each one a
sound mind, a transformed life,
00:27:20.74\00:27:25.21
a new experience.
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We thank You for
salvation in Jesus,
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and we thank You
that through Jesus
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we might have joy on this earth.
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We thank You, and our hope is
strong in the return of Jesus.
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We pray with John,
who wrote Revelation,
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"Even so, come, Lord Jesus."
00:27:40.92\00:27:42.56
This is our
prayer. In Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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Thank you so
much for joining me.
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I'm looking forward to
seeing you again next time.
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Until then, remember:
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"It is written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone,
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but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God.'"
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triumphant theme music]¤
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