>>John Bradshaw:
Thanks for joining me today.
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This is It Is
Written. I'm John Bradshaw.
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If you were to rate some of the
most curious texts in the Bible,
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if you were to make a
list of odd or challenging
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or head-scratching texts,
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this verse would likely
be at the top of many lists.
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It's because the Bible
says a lot about money.
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A lot.
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And yet, writing to the
young church leader Timothy,
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Paul said in 1 Timothy
chapter 6 and verse 10,
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"For the love of money is
a root of all kinds of evil,
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for which some have strayed from
the faith in their greediness,
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and [have] pierced themselves
through with many sorrows."
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Now, we pray for
money. We talk about money.
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We thank God for money.
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We consider money
to be a great blessing,
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but here is a great
warning concerning something
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that we all need.
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My guest today is international
speaker and author,
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Australian Julian Archer.
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Julian, welcome
to It Is Written.
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>>Julian
Archer: Thank you, John.
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>>John: What do
you make of this verse?
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In some Bibles, it's written
in even more plain language.
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"The love of
money," as one Bible says,
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"is the root of all evil."
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What do you think
Paul was getting at there?
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Why did he say that to Timothy?
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>>Julian: Yeah, I think
the, the, the facts of what Paul
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is saying is that if you trace
any evil back to its roots,
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there's usually someone trying
to make a dollar out of it.
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>>John: Follow the money, right?
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That's a phrase
we use all the time.
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>>Julian: Follow the
money. Follow it back.
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>>John: I was, I was
in a, in another country
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just a few days ago
asking about a certain thing
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that was taking
place in their country.
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The person smiled, and in answer
to my question simply said,
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"Follow the money."
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Ah, so that's why.
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That's right;
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there's often a financial
motive behind what's going on.
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>>Julian: Mm, absolutely, yeah,
and, look, in my personal life,
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I have also seen the second
half of the text come true
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where it says that many
"have strayed from the faith"
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because of this love of
money, this greediness, as well,
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and "pierced themselves
through with many sorrows."
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>>John: In the past you've been
very successful in business.
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>>Julian: Yeah,
we've been really blessed
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in some businesses
that we've run in Australia.
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>>John: But...that silver lining
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carried with it a
pretty dark cloud.
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How did that manifest
itself in your experience?
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>>Julian: Yeah, they,
the blessings poured in.
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The windows of
heaven were opened up,
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and more than we could receive,
you know--very biblical.
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But I then began to
worship the blessings.
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I began to worship the
gifts instead of the Giver
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of the gifts, and
that's where I messed up,
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and so those blessings actually
became a curse in my life.
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>>John: So tell
me how you did that?
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How did, how did--
give me just an example.
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Don't give away too much.
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Give me an example of how, how
someone looking on, or how you,
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from your vantage point, said,
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"This is me. I'm worshiping the
gifts rather than the Giver."
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>>Julian: Yeah, I
think, from someone looking on,
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they probably
wouldn't have seen it.
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We're, we're pretty
good at wearing masks.
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And, uh, however, for me,
I saw that as the blessings
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started coming in and
grew and grew and grew,
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that they were taking
my time and my attention.
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If you had looked at my
calendar and my bank statements,
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you would have seen more
and more of my time and energy
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and focus being on
my stuff than on God,
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and that was
subtle, very subtle.
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It just came over time.
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But in my heart, I
could see it happening,
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and that's where I said,
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"Hey, I've gotta do
something about this."
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>>John: Now, I notice--
and it's been said many times
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that money is
the root of all evil.
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That's an incorrect statement.
Paul said "the love of money."
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>>Julian: Absolutely.
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>>John: Were you aware--
or how did you become aware
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that you loved
money, as it were?
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>>Julian: Hm. Yeah,
money is an interesting thing.
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You know, some people
will say it's like fire,
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that it can be used to do good
or it can be used to do evil.
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You know, they say it's neutral.
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And I agree from
that point of view.
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But having experienced money
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and having had this
bit of a relationship,
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this bit of a, you know,
uh, too close relationship
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with money for a, for a while...
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Money's got claws.
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There's something about
money that the more of it
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that you have, the
more of it that you want.
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It's just, you
know, we all think,
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"Well, if I had double
the income that I have now,
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I'd be happy."
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But, you just want
more and more and more.
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And I started to
see this in my life.
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I thought, "Julian, you fool,
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three years ago you were earning
1/4 of what you're earning now,
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and you still want more."
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You know, if I had been told,
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"Well, in three years' time
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you're gonna have multiples of
what you're currently earning,"
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I would have gone,
"Well, I'll be happy then.
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I'll be satisfied then."
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But the reality is
that, no, you want more.
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You want more.
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Money has claws, and it says,
"Come, come. Get more of me."
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And that's what I
noticed in my life,
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just this crazy dissatisfaction
with no matter how much I had.
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>>John: Now,
you've written about this.
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You wrote a book
with an interesting title,
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"Help! I've Been Blessed!"
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Are you saying money is bad?
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Are you saying that, uh,
money is bad for a person?
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>>Julian: No. No.
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I'm saying it can have
very bad impacts on a person,
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if they're not careful.
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>>John: Okay, so
you're okay with wealth?
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>>Julian: Yeah.
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>>John: You're not pointing
the finger at rich people?
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>>Julian: No.
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>>John: All right.
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>>Julian: No. I'm, I'm
just saying that it's a,
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as a rich Christian who--if
you, if you have a real passion
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for maintaining a saving
relationship with Jesus Christ,
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then money is something
that Satan will often use to try
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and distract you and
drag you off to one side.
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>>John: It's a bit
like food, isn't it?
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You gotta have food to live,
but it's easy to abuse food
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so that it
becomes bad for your body.
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I don't know anyone
who can get through life
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without money altogether.
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You've gotta have it.
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>>Julian: Yeah.
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>>John: How do we live in this
world without taking onboard
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the love of money?
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We've gotta have it.
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In fact, we've gotta have
significant amounts of it,
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particularly at
certain times of our life.
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So let's take this
time to share with people
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how they can safeguard
themselves against developing
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the love of money
or the love of stuff.
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We've gotta raise
children in this world.
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We gotta have successful
families in this world.
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And we wanna get out of
this world and into heaven
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without our possessions
or our lust after more stuff
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dragging us down.
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Take us through this.
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>>Julian: Yeah, I think it
was the evangelist Billy Sunday
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who said that many a
man will "slip into hell
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with his hand on the
door-knob of heaven."
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You know, it's so close,
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so close, but not quite, and...
it's a precarious place to be,
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and, and one of the things
that will hold that man down,
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or could hold any of us down,
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is this materialistic culture
which we and our families,
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our children are involved in.
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It's a daily thing. It's daily.
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It's daily for us as individual;
it's daily for us as parents;
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it's daily for our children;
it's, it's daily for everybody.
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We must choose every day to
have Jesus as the number one
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in our life.
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Not the goal of
our next pay raise,
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not the big sale of, or contract
that's just going through,
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not doubling our, our net worth,
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not trying to get onto the
Forbes 500 list or, or whatever.
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Our focus has
to be Jesus Christ.
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And we need to do everything
that we can to maintain
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that relationship.
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>>John: I don't think
I've ever meet a Christian
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who's ever said,
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"I just wanna be filthy
rich," without having then said,
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"because I wanna
give money to God."
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Many, many Christians who are
wealthy do give money to God,
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and we thank God for that,
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and, and without
that kind of generosity,
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I think the work of the church
in many ways around the world
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simply wouldn't
be where it is today.
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But do you think that can be a
bit of a, a self-deceiving thing
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when people say,
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"Well, if I was rich, I'd just
do this and that and the other."
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Can that be a trap?
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>>Julian: It can, very much
so, and if there's one thing
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that I've learned,
yeah, in this process,
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um, it's that if
you're not giving to God
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when you're not earning much,
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you won't be giving to
God when you've got a lot.
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All that--riches just
magnify your character,
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so if you're
generous with next to nothing,
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you'll be
generous with billions.
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But if you're tight
with next to nothing,
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you'll be tight with billions.
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It's--it just
magnifies our character.
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>>John: So how does a
person develop this habit
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of generosity?
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Where do you start with that?
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>>Julian: Yeah.
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It, it comes, uh--
Martin Luther, great guy,
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he said there's
three conversions.
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So, so from a
Christian perspective,
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we have three conversions:
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You're converted in
your head, in your heart,
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and in your wallet.
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They can happen at
all different times,
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but the interesting thing is
that if a person is converted
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in their heart,
their wallet comes with it.
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So, you, you can't just say,
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"Well, I think I'm
going to become more generous,
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uh, so next week I'm going
to give $50 instead of $20,
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like I did last week,
and, and if I do that,
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it'll help me to
become more generous."
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Well, you can,
but it's sort of a,
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it's a, it's a
real battle, you know.
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The Bible says that
"God loves a cheerful giver."
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To become a cheerful giver,
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we have to have
the heart conversion.
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When we have
that heart conversion,
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we, we look at what
Jesus has done for us.
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He's done so much for us.
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We just want to give.
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We wanna give our time,
our talents, our treasures.
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We wanna, we wanna give because
that's what Jesus did for us.
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So, I would
encourage people to look to,
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look for that heart conversion,
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look to that daily
relationship with Christ,
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and then the
giving will come easy.
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>>John: I've had people ask
me many times about tithing--
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"Should I tithe?
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And if I tithe, should I
tithe on the gross and the net?"
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and so forth.
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How important is tithing, giving
a tenth of your increase to God,
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in this process?
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>>Julian: Hm. Very
important, very important.
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And whether it's gross
or net, I would just say,
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"How do you
want your blessings?"
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>>John: That's right.
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>>Julian: [laughs] So it's, uh--
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but yeah, like, for
example, with young people,
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they say to me--a young
guy asked me the other day;
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he said, "I've just
graduated from university.
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I'm going to get
my first paycheck.
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Tell me, what
should I do with it?"
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And so I shared with him
the rule of tens, where I said,
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"Your first 10
percent goes to God.
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That's your tithe; you're
returning 10 percent to God.
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It's an acknowledgement
of who He is and the fact
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that He owns all of it.
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The second 10 percent
goes to offerings or to others.
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It's helping people in need.
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The third 10
percent goes into savings."
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So that could be going
towards his house deposit or,
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or something for the
future or just some savings.
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And then the other 70
percent is cost of living.
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Uh, so the rule
of tens: 10, 10, 10--
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10 for God, 10 for
others, 10 for your savings.
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It's a Jewish
principle. They're doing okay.
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They've been doing it
for about 3,000 years.
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I teach it to my children.
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We pass it on from
generation to generation.
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So, yes, tithing is
an, as I read the Bible,
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an essential thing.
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>>John: Now, you said
you've taught this to your,
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to your kids?
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>>Julian: Mm.
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>>John: How did they take to it?
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And now, as they look
back over the way mom and dad
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have taught them over the years,
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are they
convinced, or do they say,
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"Boy, if I could have
some of those 10 percents back,
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I could have more stuff"?
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>>Julian: Yeah. They'll
go-- interesting timing.
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About--my, my oldest son
has just started university.
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So he's sort of out there on
his own somewhat, financially,
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living away from home, and
he's struggling, financially.
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He's looking for a job.
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He's not getting
money from the government.
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We're sort of feeding
him a little bit just to,
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to keep him afloat, you know.
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But he doesn't
have very much at all.
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And the other day I was
talking to him about this,
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and I was saying, "Well, what
are you spending your money on?"
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And we were just going through a
few--a little budgeting advice,
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you know, going through things.
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And I could see that
he had just paid over 1/3
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of his current net worth, his
current bank account, to tithe.
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He had just
paid that into tithe.
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And I was like,
"Good on you, man."
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You know, just, that's it.
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Put, put it out there, you know.
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And so those principles, I
believe, are getting through.
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They've still got a
lifetime ahead of them.
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I'm new in the
game with parenting,
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but, but, you know,
it's, it's an important thing,
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and I know that God will bless.
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>>John: I've heard of
people who give to God
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so that God will bless--
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"If I give this, then
God will give me more money."
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Do you consider
that an appropriate way
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of looking at God's blessings?
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>>Julian: Malachi chapter
3 has a, a, like a covenant,
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like almost a legal contract
from God's point of view to us,
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and He says, "If you
return the whole tithe
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and bring all the
offerings to me"--honestly--
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"then I will open up
the windows of heaven
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and, and pour out more
blessings than you can hold."
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So, yes, in
principle, I agree with that.
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However, God has
ways of blessing us
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that aren't dollars and cents.
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So, we might pay our
tithe or give our offerings
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in dollars and cents,
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but that doesn't mean
that God is necessarily
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gonna make us
millionaires next year.
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It means that He will bless us.
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And so that
could be with health.
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It could be with
happy family relationships.
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It could be that old car
just that keeps on going.
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There's a whole lot of different
ways that God can bless us
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other than
giving us a pay raise.
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So, no, I don't think, if I put
$100 in the offering this week,
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then I can expect a
pay raise by Tuesday.
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But I can expect
peace in my heart
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that I am doing what
God has asked me to do.
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>>John: And if we do--right?--
if we give so that we'll get...
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that's just a
form of, of legalism.
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We're just buying God off,
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and we're surely
breaking the tenth commandment,
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which says,
"Thou shalt not covet."
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Shouldn't we just be giving
out of a heart filled with love
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and then leave it
with God to bless us
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however He wants to bless us?
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>>Julian: Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely.
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>>John: And He
will bless us, won't He?
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>>Julian: Yes.
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>>John: Do you know of
any people who've decided,
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"Well, I'll be
faithful, and I'll tithe,
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and I'll give offerings,"
who have not been blessed?
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I don't know anybody like that.
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>>Julian: No.
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>>John: You haven't come past--
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>>Julian: No, and even
King David in the Bible,
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he says, "I once was
young, and now I am old,
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and I've never seen the children
of God begging for bread,"
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or, you know, he has a number of
other things he says in there.
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Um, and that's
my experience, too.
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God will care for
His faithful people.
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>>John: That's
the promise of God.
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We've got it right here,
chapter and verse, in the Bible.
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There's no doubt about it.
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God has promised to bless
those who are faithful to Him.
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The love of money--we'll talk
more about it in just a moment.
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>>John Bradshaw:
Thanks for joining me today
00:15:58.85\00:16:00.16
on It Is Written.
00:16:00.19\00:16:01.22
My guest is Julian Archer,
00:16:01.26\00:16:03.16
an international
speaker and an author,
00:16:03.19\00:16:05.69
and I don't know
if you use the term,
00:16:05.73\00:16:07.46
but I'd say an expert
now in the field of finance
00:16:07.50\00:16:10.90
and the battle
that rages in many lives
00:16:10.93\00:16:13.50
between faith and finance,
00:16:13.54\00:16:15.54
between wealth and spirituality
or relationship with God.
00:16:15.57\00:16:20.41
Now, word is that you are a
member of a very elite club,
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a member of the
global "one percent" club.
00:16:24.48\00:16:27.65
Tell me more about this.
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>>Julian Archer: Yeah,
so the "one percent" club,
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uh, identifies the
wealthiest one percent of adults
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in the world.
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>>John: And you're one of them.
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>>Julian: I am.
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I am, and so I guess you could
say that it's an elite club.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Julian: Uh, if you look
at the United Nations data
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from the World Distribution
of Household Wealth Report--
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they put this
thing out every year,
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and they look at how is money
distributed around the world.
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And, of course,
you-- in the media,
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we've had these things like
Occupy Wall Street, you know,
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where they've gone in there,
00:16:55.44\00:16:56.38
and they've, they've
camped at Wall Street
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saying there's
too much inequality
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between the rich and
the poor and, you know,
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all this sort of thing.
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And so, it's a, it's
a real, a real thing.
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And as a member of
the "one percent" club,
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I'm like, "Well, how
do I deal with this?"
00:17:07.49\00:17:09.56
You know, I'm richer than
99 percent of adults on earth.
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But it's interesting, when you
study the United Nations data,
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that, if you have a net worth--
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that is, get the value of
your assets, total assets,
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minus the value of
your total liabilities,
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that, what's left
is your net worth.
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If your net worth
is $3,000 or more,
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you're richer than 50
percent of adults on the planet.
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>>John: So I'm in
the 50 percent club.
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>>Julian: So you're
in the 50 percent club?
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Okay, you won't have to
keep admitting as we go higher,
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but anyway... [Laughs]
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So the 50 percent club--
00:17:41.69\00:17:43.02
if you have a
net worth of $90,000,
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then you're actually
in the 10 percent club.
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So you're richer than 90
percent of adults on earth.
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>>John: What does it take to
be in that "one percent" club?
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>>Julian: Mmm.
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My, my first, my, my gut
reaction would have been,
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oh, maybe 5
million, 10 million--
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>>John: Gotta be a lot of money.
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>>Julian: Yeah, it's gotta
be a lot of money; that's right.
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Um, but it was quite interesting
when I, when I did the research,
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that all it takes to
be a member of the elite,
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as we call it,
"one percent" club,
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is a net worth of $750,000.
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Not even $1 million.
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You don't have to be a
millionaire to be richer
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than 99 percent of
adults on the planet--
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that's not to
mention all the children.
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So, when we, when
we come to God's Word,
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and we see passages
speaking to the rich,
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or we see Jesus
talking to the rich,
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I used to always think that
that was for the super-rich.
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>>John: The really rich.
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>>Julian: The
really, really rich.
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But then I
thought, "You know what,
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if I'm richer than 99
percent of adults on earth,
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that's probably talking to me."
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And it made me see
God's Word through new eyes,
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uh, and made me realize that,
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"Hey, Julian,
you've been really blessed.
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What are you
going to do about it?"
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>>John: The statistics
say it's true for people;
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the numbers say
it's true for countries:
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As wealth
increases, religion decreases.
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Now, that's true
for Christianity.
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Is that true for
other faith groups as well?
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>>Julian: It is, absolutely.
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Hinduism, Muslims,
Buddhism, the whole lot.
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I, I talk to leaders of these
religions around the world,
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and when I ask them
this question, if I say,
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"What is the
greatest thing that is taking
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your young people, your young
families, away from their faith,
00:19:15.92\00:19:20.06
regardless of religion?
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What is it
that's taking them away?
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Is it they're
becoming Christians?"
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"No."
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"Is it they're
converting to another religion?"
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"No."
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"What is it?"
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"Materialism."
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Our young people,
our young families,
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are being converted from
Christianity, whatever it is,
00:19:33.84\00:19:37.97
to materialism, by the droves.
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They're just--materialism
is having an incredible impact
00:19:41.24\00:19:44.61
on the faith of
many people today.
00:19:44.65\00:19:46.95
And it's not
just the young people,
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but that's an area
that we see it a lot.
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>>John: Okay, so we
gotta raise kids in this world
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where there's stuff,
stuff, stuff, stuff everywhere.
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You can go to stores now that
have thousands and thousands
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of products available,
00:19:57.69\00:19:59.06
and everything about
society is telling you,
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"You deserve it; you want
it; you have it; you can get it.
00:20:00.96\00:20:03.87
No money down,
use this credit card."
00:20:03.90\00:20:05.80
So it's easier and
easier and easier to have stuff.
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I, I like the cover, uh,
illustration on your book,
00:20:08.17\00:20:10.81
"Help! I've Been Blessed!"
00:20:10.84\00:20:11.91
Here's somebody with
money, uh, I mean, everything,
00:20:11.94\00:20:15.28
everything that a
person could want.
00:20:15.31\00:20:17.41
How do we navigate this maze?
00:20:17.45\00:20:18.61
We gotta get our
families to heaven,
00:20:18.65\00:20:20.38
we wanna get our
children to heaven,
00:20:20.42\00:20:21.72
yet all of us are coming up
in this morass of materialism.
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What do we do?
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>>Julian: The circumstances
in which a child is raised
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will often have a
greater impact on them
00:20:29.62\00:20:31.33
than even the
example of the parents.
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So...we, we would like to
just keep raising our children
00:20:33.03\00:20:39.07
in an affluent environment,
but take them on mission trips--
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yeah, fly them in and
out a few times a year
00:20:43.00\00:20:44.57
and help them to
build a church or whatever,
00:20:44.61\00:20:46.04
and we think that
that's going to do it.
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It will help. No
question, it will help.
00:20:48.18\00:20:51.75
But ultimately the environment
in which they are raised
00:20:51.78\00:20:54.18
will have a greater impact on
them even than your own example
00:20:54.22\00:20:56.89
as parents, so we need
to get around this somehow.
00:20:56.92\00:21:00.16
And one of the things
that I believe we need to do
00:21:00.19\00:21:02.72
is we need to simplify.
00:21:02.76\00:21:04.13
We need to simplify.
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For our own spiritual lives,
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we need to reduce our
assets and responsibilities,
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uh, so that we have
more time, more energy,
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and are able to
more clearly focus
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on our relationship with God.
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That will also
assist our children,
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uh, by them seeing that,
that happening, that, hey,
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Mum and Dad really take
this Christianity seriously;
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like, they're actually
trying to follow Jesus.
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Wow! Really?
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And that will have an
incredible impact on them
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and their choices that they
make as they go through life.
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If we go through just income
increases, lifestyle increases,
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income increases,
lifestyle increases,
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the kids will see that--
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they're not, they're not fools--
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and they'll wanna
do the same thing.
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My belief is that God
blesses us beyond our needs
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so that we can
increase our standard of giving,
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not our standard of living.
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And if we can show
that to the next generation,
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that as our blessings
went up, we actually gave more,
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rather than just having
fancier and fancier holidays,
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nicer and nicer cars and homes,
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then that will be an
absolutely key, uh, transference
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from our generation to
theirs in the right direction.
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>>John: Okay, what
are you advocating?
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Uh, what I mean is this:
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There was a time you did very
well, earned a lot of money;
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businesses were very successful.
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You did not take
a vow of poverty.
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You didn't sell everything,
and you're now trying to live
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on $10 a week--
that's not what you did.
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So you dialed it back, right?
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>>Julian: Mm.
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>>John: You didn't walk
away. You dialed it back--
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>>Julian: Yep.
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>>John: ...to the
level that you felt
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like God was
leading your family.
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>>Julian: Mm.
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>>John: How does
a person do that?
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Uh, they're saying,
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"Now, well, how do we
get to this spiritual place
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so that we're not
being owned by our stuff,
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we're not being led
around by the love of money?"
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How does a person
find that sweet spot?
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You found it.
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>>Julian: Yup.
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>>John: How
does someone find it?
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It's gotta differ
from person to person.
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How does a person find it?
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>>Julian: Because ultimately
what you're looking for
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is peace--
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in your relationship with
God, you're looking for peace.
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You're looking
to-- for, for example,
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we used to go on
family skiing holidays.
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We would spend $10,000 in
a week on a, on a ski holiday
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for the four of us.
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We'd stay in the nice places,
you know--we, we did it well.
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Uh...but then we
realized, you know what,
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God's probably got better
uses for His money than spending
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10 grand on us to
go skiing for a week.
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And so we dialed it back.
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Now, one word of advice here:
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If you are married,
dial it back together.
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[Laughs] Okay?
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Don't, don't just do as I
did in this particular instance.
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My wife, Melinda,
she had never skied,
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and then one winter
she finally started skiing,
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and she loved it.
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Well, that happened to
coincide with the winter,
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the last winter, that I
was prepared to spend $10,000
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on a ski holiday.
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So as winter was
approaching the next year,
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I announced to the family, as
the spiritual head of the home,
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"We're not skiing this
year because it's not right.
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It's not right to
spend $10,000 a week."
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>>John: And Melinda had
been looking forward to this
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for months?
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>>Julian: Well, exactly,
yeah, because she had been--
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this was her first experience
skiing, and she just loved it.
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And she's like, "No way! What?"
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So, yeah, word of
advice: Do it together.
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If you're going
to dial things back--
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>>John: Amen.
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>>Julian: ...do it together.
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>>John: All right.
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>>Julian: And,
uh, and then, yeah,
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just start looking
at things in your life.
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Just saying, "God, would
You really want me to do this
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with Your, Your money?"
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Uh, you know, the, the question,
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"Is what I'm living
for what Jesus died for?
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Did Jesus die for the
things that I'm living for?"
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And identify a few of those
things where your answer is,
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"No, these are actually
just things that I wanted to do,
00:24:46.45\00:24:49.12
and they've got
nothing to do with what Jesus
00:24:49.15\00:24:50.49
came here to do."
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Uh, and start to dial them back.
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As a couple, as a family,
00:24:54.99\00:24:56.66
depending on the
situation that you're in,
00:24:56.69\00:24:58.06
start simplifying, simplifying,
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and, and just feel
that peace coming in.
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>>John: Thanks for
joining me. This has been great.
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I wanna give
you an opportunity--
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just reduce it to a
sound bite, a parting shot.
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Someone who's saying,
00:25:13.88\00:25:15.64
"You know, I've been guilty
of this, the love of money.
00:25:15.68\00:25:19.01
I don't want to be.
I'm making a change."
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Go ahead.
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>>Julian: Yeah,
look, in its simplest form,
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as your blessings go up, your
knees must go down on the floor.
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We've gotta pray more.
00:25:30.59\00:25:31.49
We've gotta, we've
gotta go to God and say,
00:25:31.53\00:25:33.40
"God, thank You
for the blessings,"
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'cause the
blessings should lead,
00:25:35.00\00:25:36.36
lead to prayer and thanksgiving.
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But when we are there
with prayer and thanksgiving,
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we will start to understand more
00:25:41.50\00:25:43.10
about humble
sacrificial generosity,
00:25:43.14\00:25:46.34
and God will then teach us how
to give and how to live for Him,
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not for us.
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>>John: Julian
Archer, thank you.
00:25:52.78\00:25:54.82
Greatly appreciate it.
00:25:54.85\00:25:55.95
>>Julian: It's been a
blessing to be here, thank you.
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>>John Bradshaw:
Julian, thanks again.
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I really appreciate you
taking your time. Thanks.
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>>Julian Archer: Thank you.
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>>John: Let's pray
together now. Let's pray.
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Our Father in heaven,
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O Lord, you've gotta keep
us from the love of money.
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Uh, we need money.
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We are grateful for it.
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We thank You for
what You give us.
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I suspect there are some people
who are saying to themselves,
00:26:45.57\00:26:48.54
"If only I had money to love."
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And I want to pray that You'll
be especially close to people
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who are struggling, battling,
seeking their way forward.
00:26:53.04\00:26:56.48
Maybe they're not quite
sure where the next meal
00:26:56.51\00:26:58.48
or the next rent
payment is coming from.
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The Bible says, "My God
shall supply all your need
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according to His riches
in glory by Christ Jesus."
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Lord, let that be so.
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Then, Lord, there are so
many people now caught up
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in the blessings more than they
are in the person of the Giver.
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So let our focus
be in the right place
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so that Your financial
blessings can do the work
00:27:19.00\00:27:22.10
You designed them to do.
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We thank You and love You.
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Let our priorities, our
expenditures, our investments,
00:27:26.51\00:27:32.01
our possessions reflect
that love more and more.
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We pray in Jesus' name.
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Amen.
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Thank you so
much for joining me.
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I'm looking forward to
seeing you again next time.
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Until then, remember:
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"It is written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone,
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but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God.'"
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