>>John Bradshaw: This is It
Is Writn. I'm John Bradshaw.
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Thanks for joining me.
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Go to the Bible anyou
find that the Word of God
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says a lot about worship,
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unsurprisingly, as t
the Bible is God's book.
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But look in e book of Psalms
and you find God appealing to us
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and sang some,
some impressive things.
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Look with me at
alm 96 and verse 9:
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"O worship the Lord in fear
before Him, ththe beauty of
holiness: all the earth."
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And in Plm 95 and
verse 6, the Bible says,
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"O come, let us
worship d bow down:
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let us kneel before
the Lord our Makaker."
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And so you mht think,
well, yes, of course, worship
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it's the underpinning
our relationship with God.
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It speaks of the way we
relalate to God as Sovereign,
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as Creator, as Mesty.
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But let's go a ttle bit further.
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Is worship good for you?
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How does the practice of worship
actually affect your life?
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Here to discuss with me
the physiologygy of worship
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is cardiologist
Dr. James Marcum,
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who practices withth the
Chattanooga Heart Institute.
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Dr. Marcum,
thanks for joining me.
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>>Dr. MaMarcum:
My pleasure, John.
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And this excites me
more t than anything else,
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because when a patient comes in
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and has a lot of
medical problems,
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sometimes
they're on ls of pills.
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And these pills
have side effefects,
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and they cost mone
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But when youtart talking
about things that they can do
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to help improve their body,
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both short term
and fofor eternity,
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and you bring up worship, they,
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they sort of shakeke
their heads at first.
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ThThey say, "No,
how can that help me?"
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>>JoJohn: So, so
that's the question.
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How w can worship, you're
saying, actually benef your
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health? >>>>Dr. Marcum:
Yes, worship is actually a
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presiption. And I have to
show the evidence behind it,
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and they have to start doing it.
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But now we have
studies that otherhave done,
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even our ministries
worked on studies thathow
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how people that
worship the true God
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have physiologic
benefits our own genetics.
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>>John: So how does that work?
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What you're sasaying is--this
is a pretty big statement--
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that worship
affects one's genes.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
That's whwhat we're saying.
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>>John: You're saying that.
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>>Dr. Marcum: And if you
go o back a few years ago,
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we haven't aays
been able to say this.
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WeWe didn't have the technology.
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But a few years
ago, um, Francis llins,
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who's now at the
National Institute of H Health,
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he sequenced our DNA.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Now, what that
means is he looked at the DNA.
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Herote a book called
"The Language of God."
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He thought that this DNA
wawas the language of God,
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because th is how
we express ourselves.
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Um, this is how we
turn things on and off.
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And if you think of the DNA
like a harardware of a computer,
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you know, is is
what we're born with,
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and unfortunately, each
o one of us, me included,
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is born with bad g genes.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: We have bad genes.
And d these have been passed
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down. And soer or later,
different things that we do to
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these g genes causes
them to malfunction or mutate.
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In fact, we have telomeres
that somometimes get shorter,
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anthey damage our DNA.
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When our DNA is
damaged, guess wh happens?
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A mutation happens.
Then we ha a malfunction.
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And sooner or later,
ifnough of these happen,
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we have a symptom.
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And modern medice
reaches to treat the symptoms,
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and we do that very
effectively sometimes,
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but we don't get at
the cause of our bad ges.
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>>John: So explain to
me,explain to us, what's in DNA?
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Deoxyribonucle
acid-- we know that.
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But what is it,
and how does youour DNA
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express self or
affect one's day-to-day life?
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>>Dr. Marcumum: Yeah.
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>>John: I know many
people arere saying,
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"I know that already,
John But for those who don't...
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>>Dr. Marcumum: Well,
this is the core of who we are.
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It's our template.
It decides everything.
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For instance, when
we're talking here,
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the DNA is
actually making proteins,
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messenger RNA,
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different t things that
is affecting enzyme systems,
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that's affecting
the way you ththink,
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the way you move, what
makes youheart beating.
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The DNA is at
the core of everytng.
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when something malfunctions
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at the very core
molecular basis, wlook at DNA.
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>>John: So tl me now.
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Somebody has a
malfunction at the DNA level,
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how might that be expressed?
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>>Dr. Marcum:
Well, it's accccording--
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some people are
born with bad gegenes,
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d we have, um, genetic diseases.
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Um, and we see that
quite a bibit, you know,
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um, Tay-Sachs
disease and different sease
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that's passed down from
generation to generations.
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Those are genes that havee
been affected that we can't
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do anything abt.
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Now, somometimes gene mutations
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are because of the
difffferent things we do.
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Let's say yoyou smoke a lot,
and you have a genetic defec
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that p predisposes you
to cancer, and you smoke.
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Well, that puts
stss on those genes,
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and those genes
might malfunction oner.
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>>John: And the result
might becancer, lung cancer?
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>>Dr. Marcum: ThThat's correct.
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For instance, let's say
evyone in the Bradshaw family
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became harard of
hearing at age 60, okay?
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>>John: What was that?
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>>Dr. Maum: Oh yeah. [laughs]
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Became h hard of
hearing at age 60,
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and I yelled in your
ear every sisingle day.
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I'm yelling and screreaming
in your ear every day.
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Well, at puts
stress on those genes,
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which is the
stress of the epigenetics
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the thingshat
influences your hardware,
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the software, and those
genenes might wear out sooner.
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So y you might have
problems at a younger age
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because we put
stress on those gene
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Well, that can
happen anywhere in our body.
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If we have a
genetic defect, we all d
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and we put
stress on those genes,,
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whether it be from
oking or not sleeping well,
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or yelling, or whatever,
those genes might malfunctction
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earlier, and ess what?
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We have a mutation; it leads to
aging and diseasese processes.
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Because these genes
tell our bodies what to do.
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Everything that we do
influenced by these genes.
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>>John: So we can understand
the genec code, our DNA,
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as a little bit likeke the
program that makes your computer
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run, and we all know if you
g get a glitch in the program,
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then it's just not gonna a work,
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and eventually things crash.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Exactly.y.
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>>John: So it's like that.
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>>Dr. Marcum:
That's exactly rit.
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>>John: So we can...what?
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>>Dr. Marcum: Influence--
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>>John: We can
influence, we can infnfluence?
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>>Dr. Maum: We can
influence our hardware
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by these software,these
things that we do.
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>>John: Okay.
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>>>>Dr. Marcum: Um, for
instance, if you, if y don't
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smoke, that helps those genes
thahat might have cancer in
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them. >>John: Okay.
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>>Dr. Maum: Um, if we do
other things that might keep
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the genes from
getting older quicke
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and that might
be good nunutrition
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or even drinking
water or getting enough st.
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affects epigenetics, Well, we're
now understanding that worip
what affects our genes,,
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keeps us fm getting older.
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There's now some data on
this thathows that worship,
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when w we worship God,
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when we worship the
best that He's given u
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that affecects our genes.
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And whene don't
worship, that tends,
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You know, we look for can put
stress on our body. something to
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worshipip. If we worship the
wrong things, itit puts stress
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on us as well. >>Johnhn:
So, so we have a genetic makeup.
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>>DrDr. Marcum: Um-hmm.
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>>John: It might be that
your genes are gonnnna flip out
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in this way, that
way, malfunction, mutate.
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Hover, there are things that
you can do to aid yourur genes,
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the genetic code,
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to prevent certain this
from happening that are negative
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or to cause positive things
to hpen that are positive.
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So you can
influence your own health
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at the very deepest lelevel.
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And what you're sayi is
that worship actually has
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a measurable, materi
impact on one's genes.
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>>Dr. Marcum: That's correct.
And we're e just now beginning,
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in some of the science
that's been de, to look at this.
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e of the original
studies by Dr. Newberg
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athe University of Pennsylvania,
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he looked at people's brains,
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and he had people just worship
for a sht period of time,
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and  saw that their
brain, the prefrontal cortex,
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the part that we have that
separates us from m animals,
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actually got bigger.
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The anterior cingulalate grew
and got bigger just from
worship. cortex part of the
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brain And he also fod
out that when people worship
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for short periods of time,
the e stress part of the brain,
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ththe part we share with
animals, the part thadamages us,
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you know, we don't
like these chronic stress,
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the part that justst says,
I want to stay alive and live,
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that turns o on the
chemicals like adrenaline,
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cortisol, inflammation
that causes these epigenetitic
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problems that causes us to
ageand the DNA to get worse,
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those were turned down
in people e that worship.
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So he did that sdy,
but studies have been
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even done
further says, well, th's,
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see a structural change,
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but it's w what's happening
in the molecules, the very A.
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And now we have
some studies, you know,
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back at Dusek, at
Harvard,enson's Lab,
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they looked at different
thgs that people do to relax,
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and people that
relax, repetitive prayer,
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they've looked people with yoga,
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those type of
things, includining worship,
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those things turn
onon and off genes.
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And when those genes, the
stress genes are turned off,
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ople do better.
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They, if you think about
it, when stresseturn off,
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every chroronic
disease will improve,
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slows down aging,
slows down inflammatioion,
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lowers blood pressurure,
improves immune systems.
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So now, , what I'm
trying to, to do right now is,
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well, they've looked at
differerent types of worship.
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You know, there's many
differenent types of worship.
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There'e's yoga,
there's meditation,
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there's repetiti prayer,
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there's
differenttypes of worship.
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Well, what would
these genelook like
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if w we do biblical worship,
10 minutes of biblicalorship?
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And wouldn't it be
great-- Let's lo at the genes.
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we're working on
publishing a study that says
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whwhen someone
participates in biblical worshi
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this lowowers the
risk of chronic disease,
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slows down aging, lowewers
the risk of heart attack,
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infections,
diabetes, hypertenon,
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alall of these things.
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Well,  have the
preliminary workup that says
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we know what the
answer's gonna to be.
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Now  have to do the study.
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>>hn: Fascinating.
Worship, good for you.
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Worship, good foyour genes.
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Worship, able to
influence your health
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in a measurable
and materialal way.
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>>John: Thanks for joiningng
me today on It Is Written,
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whe my special
guest is Dr. James Marcum,
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a cardiologist and the leader
of Heartwisise Ministries,
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commitd to
helping you and me both
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see the great connection
ththere is between our physical
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and our mental heah
and how we can live life
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to the very fullest.
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In Revelation, chapter 14,
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you readbout three angels
flying in the midst of heaven,n,
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with messages for
everybody on P Planet Earth.
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And the first angel says,
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"Fear God, and givelory to Him;
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for the hour of
His judgment is come:
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and worship Him ththat
made heaven, and earth,
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and the se and the
fountains of waters."
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There is a call  worship
in the final gospel message
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that goes to the wororld.
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Now, D Dr. Marcum, we're
talking about how worship
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isis actually good for a person.
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Here's my question for you:
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You might even mention
relaxationnd other things
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that researchers have found
sitively impact your health.
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So, is t worship of God
just the Christian spin on this,
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or is there someing different
and unique about worshiping God
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over even these other
things, you mimight say--
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relaxation, breathing
exercises, and so foh?
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What's unique about
the worship ofof God?
00:12:27.88\00:12:30.18
>>Dr. Maum: That is
an excellent question.
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That's why we need morore
research on this specifically.
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You know, 'cause w we know what
the results are going to be.
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We know that as we
worship the true God
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biblicalal worship, um,
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we are goi to have
more positive changes
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thane would doing
anything else, okay?
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ThThe other studies have shown
all sorts of thingthat imply
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this, but now we reallhave to
have the biblical worship study
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oking at people's DNA directly.
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Um, we have some
indirect studies by Newbererg,
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so, as ourrain gets
larger when we worship God,
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but he decided
what worship looked lik
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But that's a great qstion.
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What does worship
lookok like in this end stage?
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You know, what does
worship lolook like?
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Some people might
worship by studydying the Word,
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byraying.
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Some people ght
worship by serving others,
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by praising, by thanking.
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There's many ways of f worship,
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including
liviving a life of worship.
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So, but now we
havehe technology,
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John, to do these
studies to show, you know, well,
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worship for you mighght
look like this on your DNA.
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But worship like this
might help your DNA en more.
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You know, whwhen you serve,
you get this type of benefit
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health benefit.
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But when you serve,
pray, and stududy the Word,
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you might get
thisype of benefit.
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We're now starting to
havehe technology to show
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the type of physiologic changes.
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>>John: So worship is
measably good for a person,
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which means that those w
do not live a life of worship,
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people who are choosing
to live sconnected from God,
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are missing ouout
not only spiritually,
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but phically, and
therefore spiritually as well,
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as one impacts the other.
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So a patieient comes to you,
and you suggest to the patie,
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okay, we're going to
walklk down this road.
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How would thatook in
practice in a person's life?
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Theyome to your practice;
they speak to you; you mayaybe,
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the conversation
takes on thihis bent.
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How does that play
out in someone'sife?
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>>Dr. Marcum:
Well, you know, I would,
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I would start byby
giving them evidence.
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I'd say, "Listen, you
know, you dodon't feel so good.
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You had d a bypass surgery,
you know. Things were ba
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But you've done
alof these things."
00:14:32.77\00:14:34.34
But they always say,
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"Well, you know, I have
hard time giving up this."
00:14:35.44\00:14:38.74
>>John: Sure..
00:14:38.77\00:14:39.97
>>Dr. Marcum: "Y"You know, I
have a hard time walking every
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da I have a hard
time eating right.
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I have a hard time thiing right.
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All these stressors that
are turning on the bad genes,
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I'm having problemems with."
00:14:47.15\00:14:48.55
I said, "Well,l, you know,
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I have problems with
ththat myself, you know.
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Would you like to, to hear
aboutut a way, scientifically
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proven, that we can help our
genes and help givus the power,
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one step at a
time, toto do better?"
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I said, "Well," I said,
"askChrist to come into your
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life. Ask Him to
give you the por."
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And I point them
back to Matthew :28,
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"Come unto me"--worship --
"and I will give you rest."
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Would you like that ft today?
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Is there any reason
you can't enter into
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a relationship, worsrship?
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Because that's how our
nes were designed to be.
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>>JoJohn: Um-hmm.
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>>Dr. Marc: And as we get
back to our original template,
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everything works better.
It also, but more importantly,
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Aging slowdown. it gives us
the power to make these anges.
00:15:30.83\00:15:33.46
And I give them
examples of patients,
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and I said, "Listen,
we're working g on studies
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to prove this
atat higher levels.
00:15:37.13\00:15:38.50
But why don't yoyou just
ask Christ into your life today,
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to give you the
power to do onone thing?
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What would that be?
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And I give them a short prayer
And come into and a short t
worship study. a worshipful
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state." If they' never
worshiped before, I said,
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"Here's 10 mutes of
what worship looks like.
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Would you be wilng
to do that every day?"
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And so, "Oh, yeah,
I'll give that a try."
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And I said, "In addition, let's
pick o thing that's stressing
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yourur life out,
that's hurting your genes,
00:16:01.16\00:16:03.53
that we can make a change o"
00:16:03.56\00:16:04.96
And it might be something
simplele like drinking water,
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or resting or not
losing your temper,
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or it might be eating
beer or giving up cigarettes.
00:16:10.33\00:16:13.10
Just one thing.
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And whenhey do this, when
they actually have that power,r,
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God enters theirife,
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sohen they're in
this state of worship,
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the Holy Spirit
comes and isorking on this,
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goes into thehippocampus
part of the brain.
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So it's working
all day long in themem.
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So they have to o decide what
they want to do with this worsh.
00:16:27.52\00:16:30.62
So this worship
starts in the morning,
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and it goeoes all day long,
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so it's sosort of
living in a state of worship.
00:16:33.59\00:16:35.76
And then they start getting
powewer, and they notice,
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"Youou know what? I
did, I was able to do this."
00:16:37.86\00:16:40.86
And then they feel God comg
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into their life,
leading them more and re.
00:16:42.23\00:16:44.03
And as they dodo
this, they get very excited.
00:16:44.07\00:16:46.47
And ththen we
move to the next thing.
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"Well, wld you like to do this?
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Would you like to do that?"
00:16:48.64\00:16:49.97
And they start making
these e powerful changes.
00:16:50.01\00:16:52.24
And as God
influences their life,
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gives them t the
power to make changes,
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they're doing things outf
love and not out of obligation.
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They're doing
things for the right asons.
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>>John: You know, it's,
I think it's imptant for us
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to point this out:
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we're not
suggesting, if youe sick,
00:17:03.69\00:17:05.79
just worship God
and you'll getet well.
00:17:05.82\00:17:07.79
This i isn't the new wonder
drug, the wonder drug  worship.
00:17:07.82\00:17:10.56
But what you're
saying is whenhe heart,
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the mind, is focuseded
on God and connected to God,
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this measurably benefits a perso
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Can pepeople achieve the
same physiological results
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withouout God?
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"I"I'll just relax. I
shall take walks on the ach."
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Clearly those
things are good for y.
00:17:29.94\00:17:32.08
>>Dr. rcum: Yes, yes.
00:17:32.11\00:17:33.28
>>John: But can you, can y
you say, "I like this thought.
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Iture makes sense. I
get my mind in a good place.
00:17:35.65\00:17:40.12
I prevent these stressors from
reallgetting at me. So instead
00:17:43.83\00:17:46.33
of worship, I'll do an end run
arounund this by doing A, B, C
00:17:46.36\00:17:48.83
and D"? >>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
00:17:48.86\00:17:49.70
>>John:
Possible, or not possible?
00:17:49.73\00:17:50.83
>>Dr. Marcum: Toome degree,
00:17:50.87\00:17:52.07
ththat might help
you in the short term.
00:17:52.10\00:17:54.57
>>John: Sure.
00:17:54.60\00:17:55.57
>>Dr. Marcum: Might
helpou in the short term.
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We all need a Savior, But
remember, wewe all have bad
00:17:59.84\00:18:02.94
genes. ultimately.
So I expla to them,
00:18:02.98\00:18:03.85
those things might
help ithe short term,
00:18:03.88\00:18:05.41
but are they an ultimate
solution to our chronic disease?
00:18:05.45\00:18:10.22
No.
00:18:10.25\00:18:11.35
>>John: Worship, good for
you, good foror your body,
00:18:11.39\00:18:13.05
good for your mind,
00:18:13.09\00:18:13.96
worship affecting
u on a genetic level.
00:18:13.99\00:18:17.93
See, there's a reaeason
Mom and Dad took you to church,
00:18:17.96\00:18:20.63
encouraged you to
pray, intruced you to God.
00:18:20.66\00:18:23.50
worshiping God, a relationship
Another reason, anand with God,
afaffects you in ways that is
00:18:27.04\00:18:32.17
that faith in God, that you mht
not have even thought possible.
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Now, in just a moment,
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a case study of someone who
put thiso practice in his life,
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and the benefits
were jusfantastic.
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>>John: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Wriritten.
00:19:53.86\00:19:55.69
I'm John Bradshaw.
00:19:55.72\00:19:56.66
My guest is
cardiolologist Dr. James Marcum,
00:19:56.69\00:19:59.66
who pracces in
Chattanooga, Tennessee,
00:19:59.69\00:20:02.53
and leads Heartwise Ministries
00:20:02.56\00:20:05.13
Dr. MaMarcum, we're talking
about something fascining.
00:20:05.17\00:20:07.84
I think, I
think, huge for people
00:20:07.87\00:20:10.61
who've never contemplated this,
00:20:10.64\00:20:11.61
and that is that
woworship measurably,
00:20:11.64\00:20:14.54
material affects somebody for
the good on a genetic level.l.
00:20:14.58\00:20:18.28
Now, here's my question:
00:20:18.31\00:20:20.18
Grandma wohiped
God all her life,
00:20:20.22\00:20:22.05
fervently and faithfully,
and died at 53 of cacancer.
00:20:22.08\00:20:25.89
Somebody's uncle
worshiped God, sererved God,
00:20:25.92\00:20:28.72
missioionary,
minister, whatever it might be,
00:20:28.76\00:20:30.66
and loved God, died young
from a a lifestyle disease.
00:20:30.69\00:20:34.10
So, put those two
thoughts together.
00:20:34.10\00:20:36.16
Worship's goodod for you,
but people who worship die young
00:20:36.20\00:20:40.10
Why?
00:20:40.14\00:20:41.20
Dr. Marcum: Yeah. And we
alluded to this earlier..
00:20:41.24\00:20:43.44
We all come to the
plate with b genes.
00:20:43.47\00:20:47.34
We have bad genes.
00:20:47.38\00:20:48.61
We have, from headad
to toe, we have bad genes.
00:20:48.64\00:20:51.35
The way we think,
the way we metabolizize,
00:20:51.38\00:20:53.98
is determined a
lot byur ancestors.
00:20:54.02\00:20:55.92
And we have no
cocontrol over our hardware.
00:20:55.95\00:20:59.42
It's's there in us.
00:20:59.45\00:21:01.42
And for people that
have these, thesissues,
00:21:01.46\00:21:05.09
what I tell them
is, you ow, look,
00:21:05.13\00:21:06.43
look athe New Testament.
00:21:06.46\00:21:07.86
You know, Christ
healed4, 25 people.
00:21:07.93\00:21:10.40
Sometimes people
He raised from thdead.
00:21:10.43\00:21:12.10
He healed them. And
yet they all dieied.
00:21:12.13\00:21:15.47
>>John: Sure.
00:21:15.50\00:21:16.27
>>Dr. Marcum: They all died.
00:21:16.30\00:21:17.51
So, but, He, sometimes He walked
people that needed healing,
00:21:17.54\00:21:22.18
because He wted
to preach the gospel.
00:21:22.21\00:21:24.68
He wanted to come into
their r heart through worship.
00:21:24.71\00:21:27.92
Because there was something
even more that transcended
00:21:27.95\00:21:30.35
our bad
genetics when we do that.
00:21:30.39\00:21:32.59
And I tell people,
"It's not only aboutut today.
00:21:32.62\00:21:35.26
It's abobout forever."
00:21:35.29\00:21:37.03
>>John: So we
wouldn't suggest anybody--
00:21:37.06\00:21:38.46
>>Dr. Marcum: No.
00:21:38.49\00:21:39.43
>>Jo: I think we
spoke about this earlier,
00:21:39.46\00:21:40.63
but I do need to
just... reiterate.
00:21:40.66\00:21:44.03
No one is
suggesting, if you're unwell,
00:21:44.07\00:21:46.97
worship and you'll though
that may happen. miraculously be
00:21:48.74\00:21:50.74
well, But I believe what
science is now telelling us,
00:21:50.77\00:21:52.91
Dr. Marcum, is noo
matter what your state,
00:21:52.94\00:21:55.54
worship and you'll do better.
00:21:55.58\00:21:57.28
>>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
00:21:57.31\00:21:58.28
>>John: And
sometimes dramatically better.
00:21:58.31\00:22:00.82
Now, can you sre
with me any case studies,
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somebody you know w implemented
this into his or her life,
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and now we've got
something to demstrate
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this really
positively affectsou?
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>>Dr. Marcum: I had a
patient that came e to me
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from Wall Street.
He was in hihis 40s.
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He had significant
cocoronary disease,
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already had a bypass surgery.
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All of the arteries were
toooo small to do anything more.
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Every time he
would walk, his 40s,
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would have chest tightness.
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>>John: This is not good.
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>>Dr. Marcum: No, and he'd
gone to all the spececialists,
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and he was on all
the ght medicines,
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all the right pills.
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But he was
still having symptoms.
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So he came, and we went
throrough this discussion,
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and he s says, "You
know, I work on Wall Street.
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I don't think I can st more.
I don't think I can eat better.
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I don't thinI can
do any of this better."
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d I said, "Well, John"--you
know, I'm using a pspseudo-name.
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>>JoJohn: Sure.
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>>DrDr. Marcum: I said, "Listen,
have you heard oworship?"
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He goes, "No, I
haven't heard d of that."
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I said, "Do you believe in G?"
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He said, "I
don't believe in God."
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I said, "Well, let me
intruce a new concept to you.
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Let me give you so information.
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You know, go
looking foHim, and see if,
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see if you can, can
find Him.He'll hunt for you.
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There's science, evidenc
that there is God. It's not--”
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So I gave e him some
information. He started reading
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andtudying. And
he started worshipg.
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I said, "Well, listen,
let's just pick onthing,
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and let's ju worship
for 10 minutes a day.
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Let's start there."
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And he s started there.
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He wasn't with a a denomination,
but he came to God.
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He asked the Lord to be
Lord of his life, Savioror,
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to come into hisis
heart, to teach him.
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He start reading the Bible text,
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anGod started moving in him.
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And all of a sudden He
gave h him power to do things.
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And he w was working
to midnight every night.
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Well, he reazed he
couldn't do this every day.
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So he started
quitting work eaearlier.
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God gave him the wer to do that.
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All of a sden, he was
able to walk a little bit more.
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He learned aboutut
eating better, and guess what?
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He started eating more plants
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and less of some ofhe bad foods.
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He was able to give up cigarett.
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And God kept changing his heart
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onstep at a time as
he worshiped with Him.
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So not only was the
worship helping g his,
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some of his epigenenetics,
slowing down the aging,
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those stress genes,
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but the worship was
also helping him ve power
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to overcomome other things
that was affecting his genes
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>>John: re.
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>>Dr. Marcum: And he knethat
he had bad genes to begin with,
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anand sooner or later
he was going to wear out,
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but he didn't want
to wear out so soon.
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>>John: Righ
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>>Dr. Maum: So by worship,
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not only h he accomplished
something short term,
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but he also was
accomplishing stuff eternally.y.
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And when he realized that aling
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was more than justst
the life he lives now,
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it invololved forever,
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a forever
relationship th his Creator,
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when these doors
started opening up
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he s the importance.
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Now he's d doing very well.
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Heas able--in the
office not too long ago-
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he's now walking about a le and
a half a day. >>John: Fantastic.
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>>Dr. Marcum: In fact, he has
changed so mucin his life now
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that he's giving
up Wall S Street,
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anand he's going to buy a
farm in Montana and le there.
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So God can change
us when we looko Him.
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r God is powerful.
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And even if we
have geneticisease
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that sort of
limits our lifespan,
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there's more to it,
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both in the shshort
term and in the long term.
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God has a plan.
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>>John: So there, we
have this genec makeup.
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There are things thahat we
can do to start up bad processes
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in our genes, anand
things that we can do to stop
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bad processes and totart
good processes in our genes.
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Our genes are afcted
strongly by our actions.
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And worshiis one of those things
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that positively affects
us at a geneticic level.
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r Father in heaven,
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And I invite Y You to
take, take our hearts,
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take our hearts right now.
00:27:08.52\00:27:09.39
Right now there is
somebo who is saying,
00:27:09.42\00:27:12.09
"I need to worship Godod.
00:27:12.13\00:27:14.03
I must ent into God, take
my heart." that relationship.
00:27:16.50\00:27:17.67
Lord, would You do that?
00:27:17.70\00:27:19.23
Take every heart on offer,r,
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who reigns eternally and
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We thank Y You. We love You.
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We worship You.
We pray in Jesus' me,
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amen.
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Dr. Marcum, again,
thanks, thanks so mu.
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>>Dr. Marcum:
MyMy pleasure, John.
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>>John: And
thank you for joining .
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I'm looking forward to
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Until then, remember
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