>>John Bradshaw:
This is It Is Written.
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I'm John Bradshaw.
Thanks for joining me today.
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You don't have to
go too terribly far,
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read too many web pages
or open too many newspapers
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to discover that
health care is a major issue
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in these United States
and all around the world.
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Major health care
challenges are affecting
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millions and
millions of people today.
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And, remarkably,
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there are often some very
simple things that you can do
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to minimize your
risk or to get out
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from under that health burden.
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The Bible is a
book that encourages us
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to take our health seriously.
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The Bible tells
us that our bodies
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are the temple
of the Holy Spirit.
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Jesus came into this world
to give us life more abundantly.
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Back in the Old
Testament, God said,
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"I am the Lord
who healeth thee."
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Well, we're going to
talk about a health subject
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that relates to
just about all of us,
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and my guest
today is a good friend,
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Dr. David DeRose from
CompassHealth Consulting.
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Dr. DeRose,
thanks for joining me.
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>>Dr. David DeRose:
Great to be with you, John.
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>>John: This is not our
first discussion together,
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but this is the first
time we've discussed here
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the subject of obesity.
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>>Dr. DeRose:
Extremely important subject.
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Some
three-quarters of Americans,
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and many people
throughout the world,
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impacted by this disorder.
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And what's interesting
to me, though, John--
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we throw out this
figure, three-quarters--
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I mean, that's not just
obesity, medically speaking;
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it's also overweight.
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But the problem is
something that is getting
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so much attention because
it's affecting our youth.
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Something like, uh, 1 in 5 youth
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now meeting the definitions for
being significantly overweight.
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>>John: So there's
overweight, and there's obesity.
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When does
overweight become obesity?
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What's the threshold?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Well,
you know, we use numbers
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based on body mass
index, which is, you know,
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based on
kilograms per meter squared,
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and a lot of people, you know,
their eyes kind of glaze over.
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But the simple point I like to
make to people, John, is this.
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You know, we're speaking
from a biblical perspective.
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The first thing I like people
to know is, you know what,
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we can come to
Jesus just as we are.
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>>John: That's right.
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>>Dr. DeRose: Jesus
is not saying, you know,
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once you lose enough weight,
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then you're good
enough to come to me.
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He says, "Whosoever will take
of the water of life freely."
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And so that encourages me,
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as we're coming from
a biblical perspective.
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>>John: Now, uh, we're
going to have to talk about
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some pretty obvious things.
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Uh, if someone is obese,
what they can do about it.
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But let's talk about some
of the causes for obesity.
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Perhaps they're obvious.
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But let's walk
through some of them anyway.
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>>Dr. DeRose: Well, let's
talk about the ones that often
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don't come onto
the radar screen.
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>>John: Okay.
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>>Dr. DeRose: First of all,
there are early life history
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factors that affect our weight.
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Some people in the womb
were exposed to stresses
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that predisposed them
to high blood pressure
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or to diabetes or to obesity.
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Maybe in early
life-- one, 2 years of age--
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your feeding practices,
not of your own choosing,
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were such that it
primed you with more fat cells,
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so it's easier
for you to be obese.
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Hormonal factors can affect you.
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There are actually
metabolic hormonal causes.
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One of the classic
ones is Cushing's disorder,
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or Cushing's disease
or Cushing's syndrome,
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that actually can cause
you to put on excess weight,
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even if you're
doing everything right.
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And so here at
the very beginning,
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I want to tell people you can't
just look at someone and say,
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"Oh, you, you know, you
didn't listen to It Is Written;
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you didn't listen to Dr.
DeRose and John Bradshaw.
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Otherwise you
wouldn't have this problem."
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>>John: We're going to do
our best to talk about this
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respectfully and in
a nonjudgmental way.
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And I think, I hope, we're going
to talk about this redemptively.
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>>Dr. DeRose: Most definitely.
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>>John: What can someone do?
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We don't need to point
the finger and be critical,
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but we do want to help
people who want to be helped,
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or will help themselves,
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or receive the help
that comes from God.
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So where do we begin with this?
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>>Dr. DeRose: The
premise I take, John,
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is in the very
beginning, when God created us,
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He knew what
kind of environment,
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what kind of setting we needed
to be in to live for eternity.
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That was God's
original intention.
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So although we're not
going to live eternally
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on our own devices, God
still, in the very beginning,
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gives us clues
about what the ideal diet,
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what the ideal activity level,
other elements in lifestyle
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that can actually
help us to avoid obesity,
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at least to a large extent.
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>>John: You mentioned a
moment ago that the challenge
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that we're seeing with
kids who are overweight--
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that is on the rise, is it?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Most definitely.
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>>John: What do
we put that down to?
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>>Dr. DeRose:
Well, there's a lot.
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I mean, there's studies
showing that the more time
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we spend in front of a
television--I hate to say it--
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but even It Is Written.
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If someone is just
watching It Is Written nonstop,
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they, the research actually
suggests it's not just sitting
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in front of the TV and not
doing activity that's a problem,
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but it's also the commercials
and the other messages.
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So It Is Written gets, you know,
the green light on that basis.
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>>John: Oh, I'm glad to
know. All right. All right.
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>>Dr. DeRose: But we're
spending far too much time
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doing inactive activities.
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Our kids are being pulled
away from physical activity,
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and that's a huge determinant
of how much we weigh.
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>>John: Surely it's true--
I have not read the study;
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I didn't write the study--
but my, I have a hunch that, um,
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everybody's
connected to the Internet;
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everybody has a device;
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there's so much
you can do online.
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You can explore the
world, connect with people,
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play games, veg out.
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Before, to get
your entertainment,
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you had to run outside
and play with your friends.
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Now you can sit
in front of a screen.
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That's just true, isn't it?
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>>Dr. DeRose: It just is true,
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and it is something
that is contributing
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to the obesity epidemic.
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>>John: What can
we do about that?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Basically,
it's turning back the clock.
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It's, uh, not
having so much screen time.
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It's parents telling their kids,
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you know, here are some
limits on the television,
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on the electronic devices,
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and helping to do
activity with them.
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There's nothing as
powerful as what a parent models
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in his or her life.
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>>John: Okay, so,
now that we're adults,
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what can we do to
begin to turn this back?
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Let's just start
scratching the surface
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and come back to
this in a moment.
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What can we do?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Let's
start with a simple one,
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and I say it's simple because
I've seen my own patients do it.
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I've got a patient in
my practice right now.
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He lost 60 pounds over the
course of probably six months.
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I said to him,
"What did you do?"
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One simple change.
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>>John: What was that?
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>>Dr. DeRose: He got rid of
the sugar-sweetened beverages,
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and he's
drinking primarily water.
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Now, he's a big guy.
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>>John: I have a
friend-- I can tell you this--
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who lost 130 pounds.
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He was a big guy,
too, big, tall guy.
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And, uh, I asked him, same
question, "What did you do?"
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He said, "I used to carry
soda with me everywhere I went.
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I got rid of it."
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Never realized quite
how much he was drinking.
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And that was the
thing that really,
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the, the primary component
of him losing 130 pounds.
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>>Dr. DeRose:
Isn't that amazing?
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>>John: Yeah, it's amazing.
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>>Dr. DeRose: But
many, many of my colleagues
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have told me the same
thing, just that simple change:
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Go with the water instead
of the caloric beverages.
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>>John: And that
is a simple change.
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>>Dr. DeRose: It is.
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>>John: Okay, there are other
simple changes, many of them.
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We want to get at
this thing, obesity,
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and then we're going
to turn it around and make
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some spiritual parallels
that will bless you in big ways.
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Don't go away. We'll
be right back with more.
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>>John Bradshaw:
Thanks for joining me today
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on It Is Written.
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I'm John Bradshaw.
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My guest today
is Dr. David DeRose
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of CompassHealth Consulting.
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Dr. DeRose, as we
talk about obesity today,
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I've got a
question because, um...
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I have a challenge with my belt.
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>>Dr. David DeRose: Hmm.
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>>John: My belt.
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And with a couple
of pairs of pants.
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They used to give
me no trouble at all,
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and now I find they
protest more than they used to
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when I put them on.
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I don't think I'm doing
much that's very different
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to what I used to
do, except, of course,
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when I was a kid,
I was super active,
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and now I'm a
little less active.
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How much does gaining weight
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have to do with the
natural aging process?
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>>Dr. DeRose: In medical
circles, the million-dollar word
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that is sometimes discussed
is called "sarcopenia."
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And in, uh, simple language,
it means, as we get older,
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we tend to lose muscle mass.
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So even if a person
weighs the same at 60
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as they did when they
were 30, the odds are,
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unless they've
been very deliberate
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with a fitness program,
they've got less muscle mass.
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And here's where the
rubber meets the road
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in the discussion of obesity.
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It's muscle
mass, lean body mass,
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that drives metabolism.
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So as I lose that muscle mass,
my metabolism is slowing down.
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So it's not just
purely a function of age,
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but age does tend to go along
with a slowing of metabolism
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and a decrease
in lean body mass.
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>>John: Unfortunately,
I'm, uh, I'm seeing that.
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And so, so what that means is--
and most people are seeing that
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because most
people weigh too much.
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What that means is,
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we have to be intentional
about this, don't we?
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>>Dr. DeRose: It's so
fascinating to me, John,
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that many times we
take things for granted
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until they get out of hand.
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It's sometimes the diagnosis
of high blood pressure,
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a diabetes diagnosis,
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with so many of
these chronic diseases
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linked to gaining weight,
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and it doesn't have
to be a huge amount.
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>>John: How much?
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>>Dr. DeRose: I
mean, even losing 5 percent
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of one's weight can
make a measurable difference
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in these metabolic diseases.
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>>John: Five percent.
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So for a lot of
people who are overweight,
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that'd just be 10 pounds.
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>>Dr. DeRose: That's right.
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So someone who weighs in at 200,
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dropping 10 pounds can
make a significant difference.
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>>John: Oh, no
kidding? That's all?
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>>Dr. DeRose: That's right.
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>>John: Okay, so
let's talk about that.
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Someone wants to drop 10
pounds. What should they do?
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>>Dr. DeRose: In the
beginning, in Genesis chapter 1,
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God gave Adam and Eve a diet
that was wholly plant-based.
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Those plant foods are
loaded with fiber and water.
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So eating more of
those whole plant foods
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is going to fill me up,
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going to satisfy me
with much less calories.
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>>John: Okay, so that's
a simple place to start,
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although for some people,
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they can't imagine
making those kinds of changes.
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Do you have to
change all at once,
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or can you ease
into this gradually?
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How do you go about
changing what you eat?
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>>Dr. DeRose: The idea is just
start doing something, okay?
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So have one meatless day a week.
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Have one meatless meal a
week, if that's novel for you.
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And start experimenting
more with beans and whole grain.
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>>John: How quickly--you
mentioned someone earlier,
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60 pounds in six months--
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if someone gives themself to
some type of lifestyle change--
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and there's got to
be a variance here--
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how quickly is it
reasonable to assume a person
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can see
themselves losing weight?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Well,
I've worked with intensive
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lifestyle change programs.
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We'd have people come
in for two to three weeks
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at a live-in facility,
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and we would typically
see weight loss in the range
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of 4-5 percent over
that three-week time period.
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So a 200-pound person
would drop 10 pounds over that,
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over the course of
just two or three weeks.
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So, again, it's
attainable with a,
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and that's a very
deliberate program.
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And, uh, you know,
we're helping them exercise,
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we're helping them eat
right; they're more active;
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they're removed
from their stressors.
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Because stress and
those stress hormones--
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actually, by the way,
they're the same hormones
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that are involved
in Cushing's syndrome.
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That syndrome
that causes obesity?
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You ramp up your
stress hormone levels,
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and you're
moving yourself closer--
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I mean, I'm using a little
bit of poetic license here--
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but closer to a
more Cushingoid state.
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>>John: So do
something about what you drink.
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Watch what you eat.
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Uh, certainly,
you've got to get moving
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and, and start burning
some calories and be mobile.
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But let me ask
you this question:
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Is there an unhealthy way
to go about losing weight?
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What are some things
that people should not do?
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>>Dr. DeRose: I recommend that
people make lifestyle changes
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that they're going
to stick with for life.
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Don't go on these crash diets
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because they're
really not sustainable.
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And don't set
yourself up for failure by,
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by setting some kind of a
goal that's totally unrealistic.
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When I was
running a hospital-based
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weight-loss program,
I would do a history.
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I'd ask a person,
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"Well, what did you weigh
when you were, you know, 15?"
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If a person told me they
weighed 400 when they were 15,
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and they're setting a
weight loss goal of 120,
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I'm thinking, you know what?
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At 600 pounds, this is not
really likely to be attainable.
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Set the goals too high, and even
if you make a lot of progress,
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you're going to throw in
the towel because you think,
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hey, I could never weigh
120 like my next-door neighbor.
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>>John: You
mentioned the fad diets.
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They're not helpful, are they?
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>>Dr. DeRose: They're
generally not helpful at all.
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Now, some people
say, "Well, but, you know,
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it motivated me to do this."
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But the problem is
when you get on a diet
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that causes rapid weight loss,
you lose muscle mass as well,
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and we already talked about
how that drives metabolism.
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So it makes it so
easy when you go back
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to eating your
old way of eating.
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Now your metabolism's slower,
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and you actually put on more
weight than you originally lost.
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>>John: You mentioned, I think,
a key thing: lifestyle change.
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>>Dr. DeRose: Huge.
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>>John: Yeah, you
can go on a six-week diet
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or a six-month
diet and make a change,
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but you're going to go
back to what you were before,
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and what you were before got you
to where you didn't want to be.
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So it's really
important to keep in mind,
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isn't it, the long haul?
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What changes can I
adopt that I can stick with,
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that will continue
to provide benefit?
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>>Dr. DeRose:
It's really important.
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And when I work
closely with people, I say,
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"Look at those things"--
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if we want to just
use diet as an example--
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"Look at the problem foods.
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What things do you have trouble
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controlling
your consumption of?"
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Believe it or not, the best
strategy is the same strategy
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we give the alcoholic
or the nicotine addict.
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We say, "Leave that
food out completely.
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Leave it out completely!"
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You know, they say,
"It's my favorite food!"
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But that is the path
to success if you have
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an addictive relationship
with a certain food.
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>>John: The
wonderful thing about attacking
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a diet-related issue
is there's so much to eat.
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And if you, if you
don't, if someone tells you,
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"Lay off the M&Ms,"
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man, you could eat
blueberries or carrot sticks.
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I know that didn't
excite you, the carrot sticks.
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But you could, you
could find all kinds of fruit,
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your favorite fruit.
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You can find--
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anyhow, there are lots of
good alternatives, aren't there?
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>>Dr. DeRose: There
are, and the good news, John,
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is God has created us
with the ability to develop
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new enjoyments.
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We make a clean break with
those things that are harmful.
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We can develop new enjoyments
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for the
blueberries and the carrots.
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And I think it's so
interesting, when God speaks,
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typically--look at
the Ten Commandments.
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He didn't say cut
back on your stealing;
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do a little bit less in the
way of extra-marital relations,
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right?
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>>John: Right.
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>>Dr. DeRose:
Clear-cut guidelines.
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Those are the most powerful when
it comes to behavior change.
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>>John: The fact of the
matter is that one's diet
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or one's lack of
following good health principles
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ends up with obesity,
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which will often just drag
a person to an early grave.
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>>Dr. DeRose: That's right.
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>>John: So one's motivation
to want to make these changes
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should be really pretty high
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because the, not
making the changes--disaster.
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Making the
changes-- fantastic benefits.
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Fantastic benefits,
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including a clearer mind
that will more keenly hear
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the voice of God and
discern the will of God.
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We'll discuss that
more in just a moment.
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>>John Bradshaw:
Thanks for joining me today
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on It Is Written.
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My guest is Dr. David DeRose
from CompassHealth Consulting.
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Dr. DeRose, as
we discuss obesity,
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we're discussing, frankly,
we're discussing a runaway train
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because the problem
has just got out of hand
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in the Western world.
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That's true, isn't it?
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>>Dr. David DeRose: It
really is, and, you know, John,
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as we speak about
the spiritual impact
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and the ministry impact, one
of the sobering statistics is,
00:18:03.98\00:18:07.48
if a person is
overweight and has diabetes,
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that can increase their
risk of dementia up to fourfold.
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So we're talking
about things that not only
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cut our life short,
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but they definitely
impact our relationship
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with God and with other people.
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>>John: Uh, we
talked about diet,
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making good choices with
what you eat, what you drink.
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Uh, are there any other things
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that people ought
to be thinking about?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Well, I would say
have an accountability partner.
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>>John: Okay.
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>>Dr. DeRose: I
mean, it could be a spouse,
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could be a close
friend, could be a church group.
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Because what we
find about behaviors
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is if you have a
supportive environment,
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it's powerful.
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Fascinating study in
one of the science journals.
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This is a family of journals,
the science family of journals.
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The comment of the
authors was that basically
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who we keep company with is
impacting our risk of obesity.
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>>John: One thing
that I find fascinating
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is that sugar consumption
is linked to obesity.
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There's sugar in everything.
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Do you think people know,
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even when they eat health foods,
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they're often
eating way too much sugar?
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>>Dr. DeRose: Yeah,
it's a sad commentary.
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I tell people when they look at
those carbohydrate-rich foods,
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shoot for one
fifth of the calories of,
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from carbohydrates as
being from simple sugars.
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So you're picking that granola
because you think it's healthy,
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but that granola
may have 50 percent
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of its carbohydrate
calories as simple sugars,
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simple carbohydrates.
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>>John: Found an
interesting thing.
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Somebody gave me a
snack at Christmas,
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you know, as, as
you'll do around the office.
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And it was a, it
was a sugary snack.
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And I had this sugary
snack food in my hand.
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I looked at the sugar content.
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My wife had a
granola bar in her hand.
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I said, "Do something for me.
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Look at the sugar
content in that granola bar."
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What I had was
obviously not a health food.
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What she had is
taken to be a health food.
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It had more than double
the sugar in the granola bar
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than I had in the sugary snack
food that somebody had given me.
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>>Dr. DeRose: It is startling.
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And if you don't read
labels, you'll get in trouble.
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And I've seen this happen with
so many of the dessert options.
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You know, there's
a low-fat dessert.
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You look at it; it's got twice
the calories from sugar in it.
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>>John: Mm, and calories
from sugar is a real problem?
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>>Dr. DeRose: It is,
as are the problems from,
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you know, with fat calories.
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>>John: In most cases,
not all, but in most cases
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we are dealing with a
preventable health care crisis.
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>>Dr. DeRose: In most
cases, you're exactly right.
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And a person, again, doesn't
have to reach some ideal number,
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but if they can trim
down, adopt healthier behaviors,
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their weight will come down,
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they'll feel
better, they'll look better,
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and their
ministry will be enhanced.
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You know, one paraphrase of
a famous New Testament text is,
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"Don't let the world
press you into its mold."
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And, uh, "Be not
conformed to this world."
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>>John: Yeah.
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>>Dr. DeRose: But,
John, it's so interesting.
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You're right; it's often
we slip into these habits.
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But it's being deliberate.
It's refocusing our lifestyle.
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That's really where it starts.
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>>John: Yeah, for sure.
Okay, now let's talk about this.
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You eat too much; you, there
ends up being too much of you.
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What about people
who, uh, consume the Bible,
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uh, read spiritual
books, attend worship services?
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They, they receive, receive,
receive, but don't give.
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I've heard of spiritual
obesity being referred to,
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where you consume
and consume and consume.
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God wants for His children
to be not just consumers
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of spiritual things,
but sharers, producers.
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Discuss that with me as
a minister of the gospel.
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>>Dr. DeRose: No,
it's a great analogy,
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because Jesus, if
you wanted to summarize
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His great
commission in one word,
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the word is "go."
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And so it's, what we find
in the obesity realm is true:
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It's not just the
diet, but it's the activity.
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It's the going.
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And it's so true in
the spiritual realm, John.
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You and I have seen it.
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You can have
this lethargy, really,
00:21:53.88\00:21:56.08
that comes over a person
who just is so focused on
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"what can I get
out of the Bible?"
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And, in fact, their
spiritual life suffers.
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They can be going
to church meetings.
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They can be watching all
the It Is Written programs.
00:22:05.09\00:22:07.92
But it's not at the spiritual
level where they could be
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because they're not sharing.
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>>John: Paul told
Timothy to learn these things
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and then teach them to others,
so that they can teach others.
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>>Dr. DeRose: That's right.
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>>John: Yeah. So what would
you say to that person who,
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who maybe--and there's
a, there's a massive amount
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of people who've
never shared their faith.
00:22:23.47\00:22:26.94
Never.
00:22:26.98\00:22:28.11
Never opened up the pages
of the Bible with somebody,
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never witnessed,
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never invited someone to a,
a church or religious service.
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How do we help those people
to become spiritually active
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rather than spiritually obese?
00:22:37.22\00:22:39.59
>>Dr. DeRose: I think
it begins with recognizing
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Jesus' call for each one of us.
00:22:41.96\00:22:43.86
We're all called
to be disciple-makers.
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When we recognize that, it
should change our prayer life.
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Lord, how do You want me
to fulfill that calling today?
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Give me an opportunity.
00:22:54.20\00:22:55.24
Show me someone
that I can encourage,
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someone that I can share with.
00:22:57.34\00:22:58.67
>>John: I want to read
that passage that you mentioned
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because it's just,
it's just so important.
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In Matthew chapter
28, the great commission,
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at the end of the chapter:
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"Jesus came and
spoke to them, saying,
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'All authority has been given
to me in heaven and on earth.'"
00:23:09.08\00:23:11.55
He said, "'Go therefore.'"
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Go. You can't
go and be inactive.
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"'And make
disciples of all nations,
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baptizing them in
the name of the Father
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and of the Son and
of the Holy Spirit,
00:23:19.86\00:23:22.36
teaching them to
observe all things
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that I have commanded you.'"
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And then Jesus promises
us His presence with us.
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God has commissioned every one
of us to be a disciple-maker.
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>>Dr. DeRose: That's right.
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>>John: And perhaps we
are gifted in various ways,
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and it seems to come
more naturally to some
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than to others.
00:23:36.85\00:23:37.48
But you can't say,
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"Oh, sharing my faith
is not my spiritual gift."
00:23:38.61\00:23:41.08
There's nothing
to hide behind here.
00:23:41.12\00:23:42.92
God brings us into
contact with people.
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If we're prayerful
and we're on the lookout,
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we can find people
to share our faith with.
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And that's just good
for us on a spiritual level.
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Not just good for
them, but good for us.
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>>Dr. DeRose: It is, and the
way this all comes full circle
00:23:54.40\00:23:56.67
is pray for someone
who has needs like yours.
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If you're trying to lose weight,
00:23:59.23\00:24:00.74
pray that God will
bring you into contact
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with someone else
who needs to trim down,
00:24:02.70\00:24:05.44
and maybe that's a
person not of your faith.
00:24:05.47\00:24:07.71
Maybe they don't know
what you know spiritually.
00:24:07.74\00:24:09.91
But as you work
together on your health,
00:24:09.94\00:24:12.15
it opens up doors for
you to share your faith.
00:24:12.18\00:24:15.28
>>John: Doing something about
destructive lifestyle habits
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is an insurmountable
problem for many people.
00:24:18.22\00:24:20.29
However, here's
what we remember.
00:24:20.32\00:24:22.62
Jesus said, "I
am with you always."
00:24:22.66\00:24:24.79
Paul wrote,
00:24:24.83\00:24:25.99
"I can do all things through
Christ who strengthens me."
00:24:26.03\00:24:29.36
And he wrote in the same
chapter, Philippians chapter 4,
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"My God shall
supply all your need
00:24:32.37\00:24:34.90
according to His riches
in glory by Christ Jesus."
00:24:34.94\00:24:37.21
So we don't want to be talking
about righteousness by works
00:24:37.24\00:24:40.74
or health by works.
00:24:40.78\00:24:43.08
Everything we do we
want to do in association
00:24:43.11\00:24:45.95
and cooperation with God,
00:24:45.98\00:24:47.68
who blesses you,
who, who dwells in you,
00:24:47.72\00:24:51.29
and will work in you
00:24:51.32\00:24:52.29
"both to will and to
do for His good pleasure."
00:24:52.32\00:24:54.82
So we would encourage you today:
Take hold of the hand of God.
00:24:54.86\00:24:58.03
If you're looking
at losing some pounds,
00:24:58.06\00:24:59.89
if you're looking
at getting active,
00:24:59.93\00:25:01.30
if you're dealing
with a lifestyle condition
00:25:01.33\00:25:03.37
that you know could
be remedied or reversed,
00:25:03.40\00:25:07.10
simply by making
some simple changes,
00:25:07.14\00:25:09.10
if you've never
been able to make them,
00:25:09.14\00:25:10.47
you can go to God
in prayer and say,
00:25:10.51\00:25:12.51
"This is what I need.
00:25:12.54\00:25:15.18
I am willing. Work in my life."
00:25:15.21\00:25:17.85
And Jesus says, "Ask
and it shall be given.
00:25:17.88\00:25:22.32
Seek and you shall find."
00:25:22.35\00:25:24.22
So, if you have the
knowledge in your head,
00:25:24.25\00:25:28.02
Christ in your heart,
00:25:28.06\00:25:29.89
it seems to me like
you've got everything you need.
00:25:29.92\00:25:31.99
>>Dr. DeRose: You do, and, uh,
all His biddings are enablings.
00:25:32.03\00:25:35.40
God will give you the
power to make the changes
00:25:35.43\00:25:37.53
He impresses you to make.
00:25:37.57\00:25:39.33
>>John: We both know that
God wants the very best for us.
00:25:40.67\00:25:43.37
But at times that
can be a challenge.
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What do you do about obesity?
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How do you get your weight
to where you want it to be,
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or maybe where
God wants it to be,
00:25:50.25\00:25:51.65
and keep it there?
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>>John Bradshaw:
Dr. David DeRose,
00:26:40.80\00:26:42.23
thanks for joining me today.
00:26:42.26\00:26:43.20
This has been
fun. I appreciate it.
00:26:43.23\00:26:44.90
>>Dr. David DeRose: Been
great to be with you, John.
00:26:44.93\00:26:46.00
>>John: I'm thankful
for the practical advice
00:26:46.03\00:26:48.07
that you're giving people.
00:26:48.10\00:26:49.07
And, uh, just
quickly, one, one or two words,
00:26:49.10\00:26:52.54
what would you
say to that person
00:26:52.57\00:26:53.71
wanting to do
something about obesity?
00:26:53.74\00:26:55.41
>>Dr. DeRose: Go for it.
00:26:55.44\00:26:56.28
>>John: Go for it. Go for it.
00:26:56.31\00:26:57.81
Well, let's pray
together. Can we do that?
00:26:57.85\00:26:59.45
Let's pray now.
00:26:59.48\00:27:00.95
Our Father in heaven,
00:27:00.98\00:27:01.92
we thank You that in
Jesus we can go for it,
00:27:01.95\00:27:05.45
knowing that You are with us.
00:27:05.49\00:27:06.79
You haven't called us to fail.
00:27:06.82\00:27:07.99
You haven't
called us to stumble.
00:27:08.02\00:27:09.66
You've called us to victory
and success and deliverance.
00:27:09.69\00:27:15.16
Lord, I know that
You want to dwell in us.
00:27:15.20\00:27:18.60
We are, our bodies are the
temple of Your Holy Spirit.
00:27:18.63\00:27:23.07
So come, Father, and bring
Your Holy Spirit's presence.
00:27:23.10\00:27:26.78
Uh, if we're weak,
seems to me that's okay
00:27:26.81\00:27:29.44
because You told
Paul that Your strength
00:27:29.48\00:27:31.31
is made perfect in weakness.
00:27:31.35\00:27:34.42
Unite our frailty to Your might,
our weakness to Your strength,
00:27:34.45\00:27:39.09
our failure to Your success.
00:27:39.12\00:27:41.66
And in Jesus
allow us to be delivered
00:27:41.69\00:27:44.26
from all the
things that You know
00:27:44.29\00:27:46.93
are harmful to us
physically and spiritually.
00:27:46.96\00:27:50.27
We thank You today,
and we pray in Jesus' name.
00:27:50.30\00:27:53.74
Amen.
00:27:53.77\00:27:55.34
Thanks so much
for joining me today.
00:27:55.37\00:27:56.84
I'm looking forward to
seeing you again next time.
00:27:56.87\00:27:59.24
Until then, remember:
00:27:59.27\00:28:01.18
"It is written, 'Man
shall not live by bread alone,
00:28:01.21\00:28:05.25
but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God.'"
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