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>>John Bradshaw: This is It
Is Written. I'm John Bradshaw.
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Thanks for joining me.
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Go to the Bible and you
find that the Word of God
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says a lot about worship,
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unsurprisingly, as
the Bible is God's book.
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But look in the book of Psalms
and you find God appealing to us
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and saying some,
some impressive things.
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Look with me at
Psalm 96 and verse 9:
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“O worship the Lord in
the beauty of holiness:
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fear before Him, all the earth.”
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And in Psalm 95 and
verse 6, the Bible says,
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“O come, let us
worship and bow down:
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let us kneel before
the Lord our Maker.”
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And so you might think,
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well, yes, of course,
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worship it's the underpinning
of our relationship with God.
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It speaks of the way we
relate to God as Sovereign,
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as Creator, as Majesty.
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But let's go a
little bit further.
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Is worship good for you?
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How does the practice of worship
actually affect your life?
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Here to discuss with me
the physiology of worship
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is cardiologist
Dr. James Marcum,
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who practices with the
Chattanooga Heart Institute.
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Dr. Marcum,
thanks for joining me.
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>>Dr. Marcum: My pleasure, John.
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And this excites me
more than anything else,
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because when a patient comes in
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and has a lot of
medical problems,
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sometimes
they're on lots of pills.
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And these pills
have side effects,
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and they cost money.
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But when you start talking
about things that they can do
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to help improve their body,
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both short term
and for eternity,
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and you bring up worship, they,
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they sort of shake
their heads at first.
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They say, “No,
how can that help me?”
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>>John: So, so
that's the question.
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How can worship, you're saying,
actually benefit your health?
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes, worship
is actually a prescription.
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And I have to show
the evidence behind it,
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and they have to start doing it.
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But now we have
studies that others have done,
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even our ministries
working on studies that show
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how people that
worship the true God
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have physiologic
benefits on our own genetics.
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>>John: So how does that work?
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What you're saying is,
this is a pretty big statement,
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that worship
affects one's genes.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
That's what we're saying.
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>>John: You're saying that.
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>>Dr. Marcum: And if
you go back a few years ago,
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we haven't always
been able to say this.
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We didn't have the technology.
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But a few years
ago, um, Francis Collins,
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who's now at the
National Institute of Health,
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he sequenced our DNA.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Now, what that
means is he looked at the DNA,
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and he wrote a book
called “The Language of God.”
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He thought this DNA
was the language of God,
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because this is how
we express ourselves.
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Um, this is how we
turn things on and off.
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And if you think of the DNA
like a hardware of a computer,
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you know, this is
what we're born with.
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And unfortunately,
each one of us, me included,
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is born with bad genes.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: We have bad genes.
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And these have been passed down.
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And sooner or later, different
things that we do to these genes
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causes them to
malfunction or mutate.
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In fact, we have telomeres
that sometimes get shorter,
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and they damage our DNA.
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When our DNA is
damaged, guess what happens.
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A mutation happens.
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Then we have a malfunction.
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And sooner or later,
if enough of these happen,
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we have a symptom.
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And modern medicine
reaches to treat the symptoms,
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and we do that very
effectively sometimes,
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but we don't get at
the cause of our bad genes.
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>>John: So explain to me,
explain to us, what's in DNA?
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Deoxyribonucleic acid.
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We know that.
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But what is it,
and how does your DNA
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express itself or
affect one's day-to-day life?
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yeah.
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>>John: I know
many people are saying,
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“I know that already,
John.” But for those who don't.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Well, this
is the core of who we are.
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It's our template.
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It decides everything.
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For instance, when
we're talking here,
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the DNA is
actually making proteins,
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messenger RNA,
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different things that is
affecting enzyme systems,
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that's affecting
the way you think,
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the way you move, what
makes your heart beating.
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The DNA is at the
core of everything.
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So when something malfunctions
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at the very core
molecular basis, we look at DNA.
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>>John: So tell me now.
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Somebody has a
malfunction at the DNA level,
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how might that be expressed?
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>>Dr. Marcum:
Well, it's according.
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Some people are
born with bad genes,
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and we have, um,
genetic diseases.
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Um, and we see that
quite a bit, you know,
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um Tay-Sachs disease
and different disease
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that's passed down from
generation to generations.
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Those are genes that have
been affected that we can't
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do anything about.
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Now, sometimes gene mutations
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are because of the
different things we do.
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Let's say you smoke a lot
and you have a genetic defect
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that predisposes you
to cancer, and you smoke.
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Well, that puts
stress on those genes,
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and those genes
might malfunction sooner.
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>>John: And the
result might be cancer,
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lung cancer.
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>>Dr. Marcum: That's correct.
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For instance, let's say
everyone in the Bradshaw family
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became hard of
hearing at age 60. Ok.
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>>John: What was that?
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>>Dr. Marcum: Uh, yeah [laughs].
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Became hard of
hearing at age 60.
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And I yelled in your
ear every single day.
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I'm yelling and
screaming in your ear every day.
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Well, that puts
stress on those genes,
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which is the
stress of the epigenetics,
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the things that
influences your hardware,
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the software, and those
genes might wear out sooner.
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So you might have
problems at a younger age
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because we put
stress on those genes.
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Well, that can
happen anywhere in our body.
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If we have a
genetic defect, we all do,
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and we put
stress on those genes,
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whether it be from
smoking or not sleeping well,
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or yelling, or whatever, those
genes might malfunction earlier,
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and guess what.
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We have a mutation, it leads
to aging and disease processes.
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Because these genes
tell our bodies what to do.
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Everything that we do is
influenced by these genes.
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>>John: So we can understand
the genetic code, our DNA,
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as a little bit like the program
that makes the computer run,
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and we all know if you
get a glitch in the program,
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then it's just not gonna work,
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and eventually things crash.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Exactly.
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>>John: So it's like that.
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>>Dr. Marcum:
That's exactly right.
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>>John: So we can, what?
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>>Dr. Marcum: Influence.
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>>John: We can
influence, we can influence?
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>>Dr. Marcum: We can
influence our hardware
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by these software,
these things that we do.
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>>John: Okay.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Um,
for instance, if you,
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if you don't smoke,
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that helps those genes
that might have cancer in them.
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>>John: Okay.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Um, if we do
other things that might keep
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the genes from
getting older quicker.
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And that might
be good nutrition,
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or even drinking
water, or getting enough rest.
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Well, we're now
understanding that worship
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affects epigenetics,
what affects our genes.
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Keeps us from getting older.
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There's now some data on
this that shows that worship,
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when we worship God,
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when we worship the best we can,
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that affects our genes.
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And when we don't
worship, that tends,
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can put stress on our body.
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You know, we look
for something to worship.
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If we worship the wrong things,
it puts stress on us as well.
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>>John: So, so we
have a genetic makeup.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Um-hmm.
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>>John: It might be that
your genes are gonna flip out
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in this way, that
way, malfunction, mutate.
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However, there are things that
you can do to aid your genes,
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the genetic code,
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to prevent certain things from
happening that are negative,
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or the cause positive things
to happen that are positive.
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So you can
influence your own health
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at the very deepest level.
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And what you're saying
is that worship actually has
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a measurable,
material impact on one's genes.
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>>John: That's correct.
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And we're just now beginning,
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in some of the science that's
been done, to look at this.
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One of the original
studies by Dr. Newberg
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at the
University of Pennsylvania,
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he looked at people's brains,
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and he had people just worship
for a short period of time,
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and he saw that their
brain, the prefrontal cortex,
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the part that we have
that separates us from animals,
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actually got bigger.
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The anterior cingulate
cortex part of the brain
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grew and got
bigger just from worship.
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And he also found out
that when people worship
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for short periods of time,
the stress part of the brain,
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the part we share with animals,
the part that damages us,
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you know, we don't
like these chronic stress,
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the part that just says, I
want to stay alive and live,
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that turns on the
chemicals like adrenaline,
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cortisol, inflammation that
causes these epigenetic problems
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that causes us to age
and the DNA to get worse,
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those were turned down
in people that worship.
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So he did that study,
but studies have been,
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even done further
says, well, that's,
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we see a structural change,
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but what's happening in
the molecules, the very DNA.
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And now we have
some studies, you know,
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back at [Dusek], at
Harvard, Benson's Lab,
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they looked at different
things that people do to relax,
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and people that
relax, repetitive prayer.
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They've looked
at people with yoga,
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those type of
things, including worship.
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Those things
turn on and off genes.
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And when those genes, the
stress genes are turned off,
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people do better.
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They, if you think about
it, when stresses turn off,
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every chronic
disease will improve.
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Slows down aging,
slows down inflammation,
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lowers blood pressure,
improves immune systems.
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So now, what I'm
trying to, to do right now is,
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well, they've looked at
different types of worship.
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You know, there's many
different types of worship.
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There's yoga,
there's medication,
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there's repetitive prayer,
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there's
different types of worship.
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Well, what would
these genes look like
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if we do biblical worship.
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Ten minutes of biblical worship.
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Let's look at the genes.
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And wouldn't it be great,
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we're working on
publishing a study that says
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when someone participates
in biblical worship,
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this lowers the
risk of chronic disease,
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slows down aging, lowers
the risk of heart attack,
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infections,
diabetes, hypertension,
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all of these things.
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Well, we have the
preliminary workup that says
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we know what the
answer's gonna to be.
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Now we have to do the study.
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>>John: Fascinating.
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Worship, good for you.
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Worship, good for your genes.
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Worship, able to
influence your health
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in a measurable
and material way.
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You want to
know more about this.
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more in just a moment.
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>>John: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Written,
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where my special
guest is Dr. James Marcum,
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a cardiologist and the
leader of Heartwise Ministries,
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committed to
helping you and me both
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see the great connection
there is between our physical
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and our mental health
and how we can live life
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to the very fullest.
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In Revelation, chapter 14,
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you read about three angels
flying in the midst of heaven,
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with messages for
everybody on planet Earth.
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And the first angel says,
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“Fear God, and
give glory to Him;
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for the hour of
His judgment is come:
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and worship Him that
made heaven, and earth,
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and the sea, and the
fountains of waters.”
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There is a call to worship
in the final gospel message
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that goes to the world.
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Now, Dr. Marcum, we're
talking about how worship
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is actually good for a person.
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Here's my question for you:
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You might even mention
relaxation and other things
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that researchers have found
positively impact your health.
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So, is the worship of God
just the Christian spin on this,
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or is there something different
and unique about worshipping God
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over even these
other things you might say:
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relaxation, breathing
exercises, and so forth?
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What's unique
about the worship of God?
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>>Dr. Marcum: That is
an excellent question.
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That's why we need more
research on this specifically.
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You know, ‘cause we know what
the results are going to be.
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We know that as we
worship the true God,
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biblical worship, um,
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we are going to have
more positive changes
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than we would
doing anything else.
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Okay?
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The other studies have shown all
sorts of things that imply this,
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but now we really have to
have the biblical worship study
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looking at
people's DNA directly.
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Um, we have some
indirect studies by Newberg,
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so as our brain gets
larger when we worship God.
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But he decided what
worship looked like.
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But that's a great question.
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What does worship look
like in this end stage?
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You know, what
does worship look like?
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Some people might
worship by studying the Word,
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by praying.
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Some people might
worship by serving others,
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by praising, by thanking.
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There's many ways of worship,
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including living
a life of worship.
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So, but now we
have the technology,
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John, to do
these studies to show,
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you know, well,
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worship for you might
look like this on your DNA.
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But worship like this
might help your DNA even more.
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You know, when you serve,
you get this type of benefit,
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health benefit.
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But when you serve,
pray and study the Word,
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you might get
this type of benefit.
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We're now starting to
have the technology to show
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those type of
physiologic changes.
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>>John: So worship is
measurably good for a person,
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which means that those who
do not live a life of worship,
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people who are choosing to
live disconnected from God,
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are missing out
not only spiritually,
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but physically, and
therefore spiritually as well,
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as one impacts the other.
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So a patient comes to you,
and you suggest to the patient,
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okay, we're going
to walk down this road.
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How would look in
practice in a person's life?
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They come to your practice;
they speak to you; you maybe,
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the conversation
takes on this bent.
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How does that play
out in someone's life?
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>>Dr. Marcum:
Well, you know, I would,
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I would start by
giving them evidence.
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I said, “Listen, you
know, you don't feel so good.
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You had a bypass
surgery, you know.
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Things were bad.
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But you've done
all of these things.”
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But they always say,
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“Well, you know, I have a
hard time giving up this.”
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: You know, “I have
a hard time walking every day.
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I have a hard time eating right.
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I have a hard
time thinking right.
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All these stressors that
are turning on these bad genes,
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I'm having problems with.”
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I said, “Well, you know,
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I have problems with
that myself, you know.
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Would you like to, to hear about
a way scientifically proven
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that we can help our genes
and help give us the power,
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one step at a
time, to, to do better?”
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I said, “Well,” I said, “ask
Christ to come into your life.
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Ask Him to give you the power.”
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And I point them
back to Matthew 11:28,
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“Come unto me, worship
me, and I will give you rest.”
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Would you like that gift today?
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Is there any reason
you can't enter into
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a relationship worship?
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Because that's how our
genes were designed to be.
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>>John: Um-hmm.
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>>Dr. Marcum: And as we get
back to our original template,
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everything works better.
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Aging slows down.
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It also, but more importantly,
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it gives us the power
to make these changes.
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And I give them
examples of patients,
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and I said, “Listen,
we're working on studies
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to prove this at higher levels.
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But why don't you just ask
Christ into your life today,
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give you the
power to do one thing.
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What would that be?
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And come into a
worshipful state.”
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And I give them a short prayer
and a short worship study.
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If they've never
worked before, I said,
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“Here's 10 minutes of
what worship looks like.
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Would you be willing
to do that every day?”
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And so, “Oh, yeah,
I'll give that a try.”
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And I said, “In addition, let's
pick one thing that's stressing
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your life out,
that's hurting your genes,
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that we can make a change on.”
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And it might be something
simple like drinking water,
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or resting, or not
losing your temper.
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Or it might be eating
better or giving up cigarettes.
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Just one thing.
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And when they do this, when
they actually have that power,
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God enters their life,
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so when they're in
this state of worship,
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the Holy Spirit comes
and is working on this.
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Goes into the
hippocampus part of the brain.
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So it's working
all day long in them.
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So they have to decide what they
want to do with this worship.
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So this worship
starts in the morning,
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and it goes all day long,
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so it's sort of
living in a state of worship.
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And then they start
giving power, and they notice,
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“You know what?
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I did, I was able to do this.”
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And then they feel God coming
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into their life,
leading them more and more.
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And as they do this,
they get very excited.
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And then we move
to the next thing.
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Well, would you like to do this?
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Would you like to do that?
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And they start making
these powerful changes.
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And as God
influences their life,
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gives them the
power to make changes,
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they're doing things out of
love and not out of obligation.
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They're doing things
for the right reasons.
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>>John: You know, it's, I
think it's important for us
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to point this out:
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we're not
suggesting, if you're sick,
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just worship God
and you'll get well.
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This isn't the new wonder drug,
the wonder drug of worship.
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But what you're
saying is when the heart,
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the mind, is focused on
God and connected to God,
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this measurably
benefits a person.
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Can people achieve the
same physiological results
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without God?
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I'll just relax.
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I shall take walks on the beach.
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Clearly those...
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes, yes, yes.
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>>John:
...things are good for you,
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but can you, can you
say, I like this thought,
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it sure makes sense.
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I get my mind in a good place.
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I prevent these stressors
from really getting at me.
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So instead of worship,
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I'll do an end run around
this by doing A, B, C and D.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
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>>John:
Possible, or not possible?
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>>Dr. Marcum: To some degree,
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that might help
you in the short term.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Might
help you in the short term.
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But remember, we
all have bad genes.
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We all need a
Savior, ultimately.
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So I explain to them,
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those things might
help in the short term,
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but are they an ultimate
solution to our chronic disease?
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No.
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>>John: Worship.
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Good for you.
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Good for your body.
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Good for your mind.
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Worship affecting
you on a genetic level.
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See, there's a reason Mom
and Dad took you to church,
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encouraged you to
pray, introduced you to God.
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Another reason, and
that is that faith in God,
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worshiping God, a
relationship with God,
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affects you in
ways that you might
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not have even thought possible.
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Now, in just a moment,
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a case study of someone who put
this to practice in his life,
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and the benefits
were just fantastic.
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More in just a moment.
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>>John: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Written.
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I'm John Bradshaw.
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My guest is
cardiologist Dr. James Marcum,
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who practices in
Chattanooga, Tennessee
00:21:31.05\00:21:33.96
and leads Heartwise Ministries.
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Dr. Marcum, we're talking
about something fascinating.
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I think, I think huge for people
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who've never contemplated this,
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and that is that
worship measurably,
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materially affects somebody
for the good on a genetic level.
00:21:45.93\00:21:49.64
Now, here's my question:
00:21:49.67\00:21:50.51
Grandma
worshipped God all her life,
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fervently and faithfully,
and died at 53 of cancer.
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Somebody's uncle
worshiped God, served God,
00:21:57.31\00:22:00.18
missionary,
minister, whatever it might be,
00:22:00.22\00:22:02.18
and loved God, died
young from a lifestyle disease.
00:22:02.22\00:22:05.62
So, put those two
thoughts together.
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Worship's good for you, but
people who worship die young.
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Why?
00:22:11.79\00:22:12.49
>>Dr. Marcum: Yeah.
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And we alluded to this earlier.
00:22:13.46\00:22:15.20
We all come to the
plate with bad genes.
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We have bad genes.
00:22:18.90\00:22:20.14
We have, from head to
toe, we have bad genes.
00:22:20.17\00:22:22.84
The way we think,
the way we metabolize,
00:22:22.87\00:22:25.51
is determined a
lot by our ancestors.
00:22:25.54\00:22:27.44
And we have no
control over our hardware.
00:22:27.48\00:22:30.95
It's there in us.
00:22:30.98\00:22:32.85
And for people that
have these, these issues,
00:22:32.88\00:22:36.52
what I tell them
is, you know, look,
00:22:36.55\00:22:37.85
look at the New Testament.
00:22:37.89\00:22:39.32
You know, Christ
healed 24, 25 people.
00:22:39.35\00:22:41.89
Sometimes people He
raised from the dead.
00:22:41.92\00:22:43.59
He healed them.
00:22:43.63\00:22:45.06
And yet they all died.
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>>John: Sure.
00:22:47.00\00:22:47.73
>>Dr. Marcum: They all died.
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So, but, He, sometimes He walked
by people that needed healing,
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because He wanted
to preach the gospel.
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He wanted to come into
their heart through worship.
00:22:56.14\00:22:59.34
Because there was something
even more that transcended
00:22:59.37\00:23:01.94
our bad
genetics, when we do that.
00:23:01.98\00:23:04.18
And I tell people,
it's not only about today.
00:23:04.21\00:23:06.82
It's about forever.
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>>John: So we
wouldn't suggest anybody...
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>>Dr. Marcum: No.
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>>John: I think we
spoke about this earlier,
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but I do need
to just, reiterate.
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No one is
suggesting, if you're unwell,
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worship and you'll
miraculously be well.
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Though that may happen.
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But I believe what
science is now telling us,
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Dr. Marcum, is no
matter what your state,
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worship and you'll do better.
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>>Dr. Marcum: Yes.
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>>John: And
sometimes dramatically better.
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Now, can you share
with me any case studies,
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somebody you know implemented
this into his or her life,
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and now we've got
something to demonstrate,
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this really
positively affects you?
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>>Dr. Marcum: I had a
patient that came to me
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from Wall Street.
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He was in his forties.
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He had
significant coronary disease,
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already had a bypass surgery.
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All of the arteries were
too small to do anything more.
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Every time he would
walk, in his forties,
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he would have chest tightness.
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>>John: This is not good.
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>>Dr. Marcum: No, and he'd
gone to all the specialists,
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and he was on all
the right medicines,
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all the right pills.
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But he was
still having symptoms.
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So he came, and we went
through this discussion,
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and he says, “You
know, I work on Wall Street.
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I don't think I can rest more.
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I don't think I can eat better.
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I don't think I can
do any of this better.”
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And I said, “Well,
John,” I'm using a pseudo name.
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>>John: Sure.
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>>Dr. Marcum: I said, I said,
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“Listen, our, have
you heard of worship?”
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He said, “No, I
haven't heard of that.”
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I said, “Do you believe in God?”
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He said, “I
don't believe in God.”
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I said, “Well, let me
introduce a new concept to you.
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Let me give you
some information.
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You know, go
looking for Him, and see if,
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see if you can, can find Him.
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He'll hunt for you.
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There's science, evidence,
that there is God. It's not.”
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So I gave him some information.
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He started reading and studying.
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And he started worshiping.
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I said, “Well, listen,
let's just pick one thing,
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and let's just
worship for 10 minutes a day.
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Let's start there.”
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And he started there.
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He wasn't with a denomination,
but he came to the God.
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He asked Lord to
be Lord of his life,
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Savior, to come into
his heart, to teach him.
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He started
reading the Bible text,
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and God started moving in him.
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And all of a sudden He
gave him power to do things.
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And he was working
to midnight every night.
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Well, he realized he
couldn't do this every day.
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So he started
quitting work earlier.
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God gave him the
power to do that.
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All of a sudden, he was
able to walk a little bit more.
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He learned about
eating better, and guess what?
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He started eating more plants
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and less of some
of the bad foods.
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He was able to
give up cigarettes.
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And God kept changing his heart
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one step at a time as
he worshiped with Him.
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So not only was the
worship helping his,
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some of his epigenetics,
slowing down the aging,
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those stress genes,
00:25:36.40\00:25:37.73
but the worship was
also helping him give power
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to overcome other things
that was affecting his genes.
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And he knew that he had
bad genes to begin with,
00:25:43.34\00:25:46.31
and sooner or later
he was going to wear out,
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but he didn't want
to wear out so soon.
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>>John: Right.
00:25:50.25\00:25:51.11
>>Dr. Marcum: So by worship,
00:25:51.15\00:25:52.11
not only he accomplished
something short term,
00:25:52.15\00:25:54.85
but he also was
accomplishing stuff eternally.
00:25:54.88\00:25:57.62
And when he
realized that healing
00:25:57.65\00:25:59.45
was more than just
the life he lives now,
00:25:59.49\00:26:01.72
it involved forever,
00:26:01.76\00:26:03.19
a forever
relationship with his Creator,
00:26:03.22\00:26:05.43
when these doors
started opening up,
00:26:05.46\00:26:07.86
he saw the importance.
00:26:07.93\00:26:08.76
Now, he's doing very well.
00:26:08.80\00:26:10.03
He was able in the
office not too long ago.
00:26:10.07\00:26:12.27
He's now walking about
a mile and a half a day.
00:26:12.30\00:26:14.70
>>John: Fantastic.
00:26:14.74\00:26:15.94
>>Dr. Marcum: In fact, he
has changed so much in his life
00:26:15.97\00:26:17.67
now that he's
giving up Wall Street,
00:26:17.71\00:26:19.61
and he's going to buy a
farm in Montana and live there.
00:26:19.64\00:26:23.81
So God can change
us, when we look to Him.
00:26:23.85\00:26:26.65
Our God is powerful.
00:26:26.68\00:26:28.22
And even if we
have genetic disease
00:26:28.25\00:26:30.59
that sort of
limits our lifespan,
00:26:30.62\00:26:32.82
there's more to it,
00:26:32.85\00:26:34.09
both in the short
term and in the long term.
00:26:34.12\00:26:36.52
God has a plan.
00:26:36.56\00:26:37.56
>>John: So there, we
have this genetic makeup.
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There are things that we
can do to start up bad processes
00:26:40.10\00:26:45.13
in our genes, and
things that we can do to stop
00:26:45.17\00:26:48.54
bad processes and to start
good processes in our genes.
00:26:48.57\00:26:51.97
Our genes are affected
strongly by our actions.
00:26:52.01\00:26:55.68
And worship is one of
00:26:55.71\00:26:57.71
those things that positively
affects us at a genetic level.
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>>John: Let's pray together now.
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Pray with me.
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Our Father in Heaven,
00:28:15.46\00:28:17.36
we are grateful
that You are God.
00:28:17.39\00:28:21.73
You demand nothing from us.
00:28:21.76\00:28:24.40
You force nothing on us.
00:28:24.43\00:28:27.10
But You offer us eternity.
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You invite us to
know You through Your Son,
00:28:30.44\00:28:32.57
Jesus, to
surrender our lives to You,
00:28:32.61\00:28:36.41
and to worship You.
00:28:36.44\00:28:37.75
And I invite You to take,
00:28:37.78\00:28:39.71
take our hearts right now.
00:28:39.75\00:28:41.25
Right now there is
somebody who is saying,
00:28:41.28\00:28:43.92
“I need to worship God.
00:28:43.95\00:28:45.89
I must enter into
that relationship.
00:28:45.92\00:28:48.36
God, take my heart.”
00:28:48.39\00:28:49.56
Lord, would You do that?
00:28:49.59\00:28:51.13
Take every heart on offer,
00:28:51.16\00:28:53.33
and speak to each
one considering You now.
00:28:53.36\00:28:58.27
And urge every man, every
woman, every young person,
00:28:58.30\00:29:02.00
to know You as
the great God of love
00:29:02.04\00:29:03.91
who reigns eternally and
wants us to reign with Him.
00:29:03.94\00:29:08.64
We thank You.
00:29:08.68\00:29:09.31
We love You.
00:29:09.34\00:29:11.45
We worship You.
00:29:11.48\00:29:12.28
We pray in Jesus' name,
00:29:12.31\00:29:15.22
Amen.
00:29:15.25\00:29:16.55
Dr. Marcum, again,
thanks, thanks so much.
00:29:16.58\00:29:18.62
>>Dr. Marcum: My pleasure, John.
00:29:18.65\00:29:19.52
>>John: And thank
you for joining me.
00:29:19.55\00:29:20.62
I'm looking forward to
seeing you again next time.
00:29:20.66\00:29:22.52
Until then, remember:
00:29:22.56\00:29:24.46
“It is written:
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‘Man shall not
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00:29:25.96\00:29:28.56
but by every word that proceeds
from the mouth of God.'”
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