What do Super Bowl winning
quarterback Terry Bradshaw,
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television
personality David Letterman
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and business tycoon T. Boone
Pickens all have in common?
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Well, apart from being
tremendously successful
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in their chosen careers,
they've all had a serious battle
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with depression.
Depression can be seriously
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debilitating, and
people of faith are not immune
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to its effects.
I've come to Weimar,
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California to speak with
Dr. Neil Nedley, the president
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of Nedley Health Solutions,
and an expert in the area
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of depression.
Does God have a way out
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of depression?
And what help does
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the Bible offer?
Today we find out.
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Thank you for
joining me on It Is Written.
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[epic theme music]
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JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so
much for joining me today.
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Appreciate it. NN:
It's great to be here.
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JB: We're talking about a
very, very serious subject
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today, that of
depression. It affects people,
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it's no respecter of
persons. NN: Correct.
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JB: If you're wealthy,
not so wealthy, bright, not so
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bright, male, female,
doesn't matter your ethnic
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background. If
you're a believer in God
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or not, you can
still be depressed.
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NN: Exactly. JB:
Which is interesting,
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isn't it? The Bible
enjoins us to rejoice
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and be happy and in
God's presence there is joy,
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and yet there are many
people in church clinically
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depressed. NN: Yeah.
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JB: Before we talk
about the right way out, what,
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in your experience, are
most people doing to treat
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their depression?
NN: Well, the most common
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treatment is medication.
And well over $20 billion
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is spent in this
country on the medicines alone.
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And many of these
medicines are expensive.
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There are all sorts of
antidepressants out there,
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and they're flying off shelves.
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But they're not a
cure-all. They're not the fix.
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JB: Is it true
that antidepressants
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are the largest selling
classification of drugs?
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NN: Correct, yes.
JB: Is it helping?
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NN: Well, it helps 20%
of them to the point where
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they're no longer depressed.
JB: Two out of ten depressed
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people take medication
and essentially get over
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the depression. NN: Correct.
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JB: Two out of
ten. So eight out of ten
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not so much. NN:
Eight out ten, right.
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In fact, three out of
ten won't experience even
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a slight
improvement with the drugs.
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Even a combination, if
you put four antidepressants
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on them, and raise the
dose, they're still not going
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to respond. So
three out of ten will have
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zero response to
medication. And then what's left
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in the middle are those who get
a slight or moderate response,
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but are still clinically
depressed and still suffering
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from it. JB:
Half of people taking
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medication for depression,
they're still depressed even
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though they're
taking the medication.
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NN: Exactly. JB:
Now, I'm just thinking
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for the cynic who
says, oh, come on.
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But this is statistically true.
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NN: Oh, absolutely.
It's been shown, in fact,
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if anything, I'm
stating things more in favor
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of the pharmaceuticals
than the statistics
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are actually
showing. So I'm quoting
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drug company data. This
is the data from the drug
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companies
themselves that I'm quoting.
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JB: You got this data from
what the drug companies say.
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NN: From the
drug companies, yeah.
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So that's why I'm saying,
if anything I'm slighting
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it toward the drug companies.
There are some studies out
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here that indicate that
antidepressants virtually
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help no one. Now,
I don't believe that
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personally because as
a doctor I've prescribed
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antidepressants and I've
seen their effect in some people
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in a positive way.
But in reality, I've also
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realized that
this is not the cure.
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This may help some
people, but there are far better
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approaches to treating
depression, with far less
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side effects, and
they're far cheaper.
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JB: What are some of the
side effects people are getting
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from medication, just quickly?
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NN: Well, weight gain
is one of the big ones.
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And so it tends to cause
weight gain, it tends to cause
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them to have an "I
don't care" attitude.
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So that when
something happens in their life,
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like their spouse dies,
they feel like they should cry
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at the funeral and care about
this, but it's kind of like,
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eh, oh well. And
that's not a healthy thing.
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It also increases
impulsiveness at first when
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you start taking it.
And that's why they have
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black box warnings on them
that say if someone is suicidal,
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watch out because
this will increase their
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impulsiveness, and suicide
is often an impulsive act.
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And so here the person who's
suicidal needs to get better,
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but the drug that they're
utilizing might tide them
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over the edge, and it's a
very difficult situation for
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caregivers or physicians
to know what to do with these
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individuals when
they're to that point.
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JB: But there is a safe way,
there is a healthy way to treat
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depression, even to help
people get out of depression.
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We're going to talk
about that in just a moment.
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What are some other
things that people do in terms
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of self-medication?
NN: Oh well, chocolate,
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you know, is a big one.
The soda pops, if you just
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count the cans of soda
pop leaving a grocery store.
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Carbohydrates actually
not only taste good but they
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transiently
increase serotonin levels.
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Unfortunately, there's a
nadir, so they drop it below
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neutral afterward. JB:
Can you explain serotonin
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for me? NN: Well,
serotonin is a brain
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chemical that actually elevates
mood and helps us to concentrate
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better, and helps us
to actually sleep better
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as well. JB: Which
means that if I get
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a hit of something that
increases my serotonin level,
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I just feel a whole lot better.
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NN: You feel better,
yeah. And so these people,
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by self-medicating, they
actually do feel a little
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better. They're altering some
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of their brain chemistry.
But the self-medicated
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routes, be it alcohol
or chocolate or cocaine
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or pornography,
these self-medicated routes
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actually produce a
greater nadir, in other words,
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a greater drop, the
more often we utilize it.
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So first people do it to
try to experience pleasure.
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But afterward they're
not doing it to experience
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pleasure, they're just trying
to do it to get up to neutral.
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And in between times,
even though there's nothing sad
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around them, they feel
sad, as a result of their
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self-medication.
What's the way out
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of depression? I don't
think this is a simple,
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single, pithy answer.
This might be a multi-faceted
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answer. But walk us through
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the journey.
Obviously, this is a very
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brief walk. The
way out of depression,
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where should a
person be looking?
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NN: Well, first of all
they need to try to find out
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the underlying causes in them.
And so that's where we start
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with the individual.
We find out, do they have
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frontal lobe causes, do
they have lifestyle causes,
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nutritional causes?
What's going on in their life
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in regard to
their thought process?
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Are there
distorted thoughts there?
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And of course, for the
vast majority of people
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with depression, most
of those are a major issue.
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And so we start
them out on a pathway.
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The first thing we start them
out on is a regular exercise
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program. We
want them to exercise
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ideally 60 minutes a
day. It can be divided up into
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a couple of sessions.
But regular aerobic exercise
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helps depression, and
that's our first step with them.
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We also, as part of that,
try to get them out into light.
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Light therapy
actually helps depression.
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And if they can't get
into life because of their job
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and it's wintertime, then
they need to get a medical-grade
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light box and actually
experience the simulated blue
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sky light, which is the
best type of wavelength light
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to help with depression.
JB: We're talking about
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a debilitating,
disabling condition, depression.
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I've asked you the way
out, and the first two things
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you tell me are
exercise and sunlight.
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Now, that's pretty
simple. NN: It's pretty simple.
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JB: All right. I'm
not exactly sure what
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you're going to say
next, but I think we're seeing
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a pattern here. So
what would be the next
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thing you'd recommend?
NN: Well, the next thing we
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would recommend is
getting on a regular schedule
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with regular sleep/wake times.
And ideally, early to bed,
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early to rise. And
ideally, up at 6:00 a.m.
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or maybe a little before
and getting that light therapy,
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first thing in the
morning. That's a crucial role.
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Then next we're going to
deal with the food that you're
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eating. We're
going to try to get you
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on a diet that's
higher in tryptophan, higher
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in tyrosine. JB:
What's tryptophan?
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NN: Tryptophan is an
amino acid that is turn into
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serotonin in the brain.
JB: What's the other one?
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NN: Tyrosine is another
amino acid, it's turned into
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norepinephrine and
dopamine in the brain.
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JB: People talk
about brain food.
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Do you believe in
it? NN: Absolutely.
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JB: So the diet's
going to look like what?
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NN: Well, the diet is
going to be more plant based.
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The plant-based foods tend
to be higher in the natural
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carbohydrates that get
the tryptophan and tyrosine
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into the brain.
We're also going to be
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emphasizing foods higher
in Omega 3, foods like spinach
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and walnut, flax seed,
chia seeds and almonds.
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Green soybeans. JB:
I'm going to challenge
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you just a little bit
here. I'm just wondering
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if someone's going,
eh. But hang on a minute.
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What would you do to
come back from depression
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if you were
suffering from depression?
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This doesn't sound like
a terrible cross to have
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to carry, changing
your diet like that.
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NN: Right, well, and actually
the food can be quite tasty.
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JB: Sure, no question.
NN: In fact, in our book
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that you mentioned, we
have the recipes in there.
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And the people who
come to our program,
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the first day they like
it. So tasty food can actually
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be healthy if we train
the cook. JB: Absolutely.
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So if you can kind of
eat your way to good health,
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to depression, and I'm
sure it's not just diet.
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This is one thing
of a number of effects.
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But that means that
people are kind of eating
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their way into
depression. NN: Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, the fast food industry,
where it's high in fat, high
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in protein, virtually no
carbohydrates, that actually
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is going to lead to
depression in many people.
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I mean, if they
have enough hits.
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Again, nutrition is
just one of ten different hit
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categories. JB: And
if you have how many
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of those hit
categories? NN: Four.
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Four out of ten.
JB: Okay, then you're
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in danger of
developing depression.
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NN: Exactly. JB: So
eating well is a key
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to overcoming depression.
NN: Eating well, a major key.
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JB: What else? NN:
Another key is, and this
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is after we do the
nutrition and the lifestyle.
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In fact, there's a couple of
other things I should mention
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in that. Adequate hydration.
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Just drinking enough water.
JB: Another very, very simple
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thing. NN: Right.
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And it's pretty powerful
in regard to what it does
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to brain chemistry. JB: Why?
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Why is water so crucial?
NN: Well, water is crucial
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because our neurotransmitters
actually communicate
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with the neurons
through a fluid medium.
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And if there isn't
enough hydration there,
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the communication system
in the brain gets gummed up,
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essentially, that's kind
of the JB: The layman's term.
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NN: Basic way to describe
it. So yeah, adequate hydration,
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6 to 8 glasses of
water a day minimum.
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JB: A lot of people
aren't getting that, right?
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NN: That's right.
JB: How about, well,
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I drink plenty of
soda, isn't that good enough?
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No, that doesn't qualify, right?
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NN: No, actually, none of
those qualify, the studies show.
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All the rest are water
substitutes and are not
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the same. JB: So
we're not going to be
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thinking that some sort of soda
or caffeinated stuff is a water
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substitute. NN:
Or even dairy, yeah.
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JB: Okay, not even there.
So it's gotta be water water.
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NN: It's gotta be water.
And then also an important
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element is hydrotherapy.
In other words, hot and cold
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treatments. We call that natural
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shockwave treatments
for those who are severely
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depressed. It
actually, in our experience,
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works as good as the
ECT, the shockwave treatments,
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without you having to
get general anesthesia
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and seizures and lose your
memory and things like that.
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And so we describe how
to do that in our materials,
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but that can be a good starter.
And so we put people on that
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part first, and then we
lead them into analyzing their
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distorted thoughts.
And that's when we get
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to some of the crux of
the matter, so to speak.
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There are 10 commandments
in the Bible, and there are
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10 different ways
of distorted thinking.
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And so we teach the individual,
once they get the spa--
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we call the first
part the spa experience.
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Once they get that
spa experience, then their
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circulation in their brain
is good enough where they can
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start analyzing their
thoughts for distortion.
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Things like overgeneralizing,
like Elijah said, I'm the
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only one who hasn't
bowed the knee to Baal.
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JB: So what you've got
are people who are depressed,
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they're not thinking
right. You create an environment
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where the thoughts are moving
freer and more healthfully,
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and now they can do some
healthy self-analysis, look
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at what the problems really are.
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NN: Exactly. And
that's a very crucial,
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that will enhance
frontal lobe function.
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Just the analysis
itself, of seeing if there
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is a distorted thought and
then correcting that distorted
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thought will actually
enhance frontal lobe activity
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and will help the
individual recover.
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JB: Now, tell me again what's
so important about the frontal
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lobe. NN: Well, the frontal lobe
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is the seat of spirituality,
morality and the will.
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The will means
it's our decision maker.
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So it's actually the
area that we make decisions,
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we provide analysis. It
really gives us the ability
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to accomplish
advanced planning and thinking.
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JB: If you have the lifestyle
practices in your life that
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are messing with your frontal
lobe capacity, you simply
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can't make the
decisions. NN: Absolutely, yeah.
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It's why depressed people
tend to get more depressed,
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because their
decision-making ability is down.
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So they end up suffering
from those complications.
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JB: Okay, so we got to where
people are analyzing thoughts
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and learning to make
better decisions and so forth.
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NN: Yes, a crucial element.
And also a crucial element
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that helps with that
is the spiritual part.
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The reading of Proverbs,
for instance, or the listening
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to music like King Saul
was listening to, you know,
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the soft harp music or soft
classical music that can help
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to direct our thoughts
can be helpful and can enhance
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frontal lobe function.
And so we utilize that.
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We utilize what we call
cognitive behavioral therapy,
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which is the
analysis of the thoughts.
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We utilize the type of music
that's been shown in controlled
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trials to help with
depression recovery.
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Interestingly, it's the
same type of music that a lot
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of hymns are
composed from in the church.
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And then on top of that,
we then provide the spiritual
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material that can also
help enhance frontal lobe
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function. JB: And
a person goes through
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this process and implements
these changes in their lives,
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I've seen people
helped dramatically by this.
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NN: Absolutely. I
mean, in just 10 days.
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We run 10-day programs
for treatment-resistant
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depression. And
when the relatives come
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10 days later, often
they will break out and cry
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and they'll look at us
and say, "What did you do?"
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I mean, just looking at
them they can tell immediately
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that things are far better
and they can see life return,
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and energy. One of
the wonderful things
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that happens that we document
in our program, their emotional
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intelligence, in just 10 days,
goes to the top 20 percentile
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in the nation. So
they actually have better
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emotional intelligence
than people who've never been
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depressed. And
emotional intelligence
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has more to do with their
future success in life than
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any other factor.
So the sky's the limit
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for these people.
JB: No drugs needed.
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NN: No drugs needed.
JB: No messy side effects.
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NN: That's right,
exactly. JB: God's way's always
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the right way,
isn't it? NN: Absolutely.
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JB: God's way is the
right way, and God does have
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a way out. What's
so important about
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this is that depression is
so debilitating, it complicates
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lives on many, many
lives, and it has a seriously
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deleterious effect on
a person's relationship
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with God. And
we don't want that,
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and God doesn't
want that either.
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I'll be back with a few more
thoughts on this, on depression
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and its cures, with
Dr. Neil Nedley in just
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a moment.
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Good to have you check in today.
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There are some Bible verses you
really want to remind yourself
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of sometimes. You
know, a lot of people are
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going through a
lot of stuff right now.
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Challenges with their financial
situation, perhaps in their
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personal situation -
with marriages or children or
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friends. So many
people are battling with
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illness, in many cases
really difficult situations.
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Listen to this
verse. It's Romans 8:18.
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Paul says, "I reckon that the
sufferings of this present time
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are not worthy to be compared
with the glory which shall be
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revealed in us." Now
that's not to minimize one's
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difficulties or
ignore one's trials.
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But Paul promises us there's a
better day coming, when the hard
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circumstances of this world will
be forgotten in the light of the
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glory God will shower upon
us. You can afford to be hopeful
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today. I'm John Bradshaw for
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It Is Written. Let's
live today by every word.
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JB: I'm talking
about depression today with
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Dr. Neil Nedley of the Nedley
Clinic, president of Nedley
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Health Solutions, a man
who has been successfully
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treating people with
depression for many, many years.
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Dr. Nedley,
Christians suffer depression.
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NN: Yes, absolutely they
can. People from all faiths
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can suffer from depression,
as well as people of no faith.
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JB: Well, why that's
significant is because,
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you know, Christians are
meant to be happy and Christians
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are meant to be full of
joy, and the joy the Lord
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is your strength. Do
you find that certain
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types of Christians suffer
depression more or less than
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other types of Christians?
NN: Yeah, this has been
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well studied. Duke
University found that
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the denominations that have
the least rates of depression
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are the fundamentalist
denominations, ones that believe
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in the Word of God,
for instance, and believe
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that God has a plan for
their life and speaks to them
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through his Word.
That would describe
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the fundamentalists, and
those have less depression
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than others.
JB: Now, depression,
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I've found, there's a bit
of a stigma attached to it.
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I don't know whether
society has stigmatized it,
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or whether people
just feel that way.
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Is that true? NN:
Well, there is a stigma.
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A lot of people with depression
don't want anyone else to know
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about it.
They're picking up their
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pharmaceuticals and making
sure no one else knows about
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it, etc. It turns out
people do know about it.
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They think they're hiding it,
but in reality you can't hide
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it when you're working
and your living in families,
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etc. The depression is going
to manifest itself in multiple
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ways. But
because of that stigma,
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they have a reservation to
really go out and try to seek
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treatment, or come to a program
like a depression recovery
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program in their community,
for fear that they're going
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to be seen. But
what I've noticed is,
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when they recover from
their depression completely,
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and that joy returns, they have
no problem telling people how
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depressed they actually were.
And then the stigma is gone.
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So if you have that stigma,
the best way to take care
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of it is, get the treatment
that's going to cure it,
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and then you don't have to
worry about the stigma, and then
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you can own up to it.
JB: God has been curing
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depression for
millennia, hasn't he?
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NN: Yes. JB: Give me an example
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from the Bible. NN:
Well, Elijah, when he
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was depressed, angels
came and fed him food.
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I think there was some
flax seed in that food.
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That was food to boost the
tryptophan and the tyrosine.
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Exercise was part
of Elijah's program.
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And light therapy,
Elijah, like a lot of depressed
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people, he just wanted to
be in the cave, in the dark.
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And God had to
produce earthquakes and fires
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and, "Get out of
the cave, Elijah,
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you need to be in the light."
And then he came and dialogued
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with him, after he did
all those things, then he gave
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him the cognitive behavioral
therapy, and asked him,
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"What doest thou here?"
And Elijah began to talk,
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and the Lord began to
correct his distorted thoughts.
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JB: Interesting. NN:
Same type of principles
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that we utilize today.
JB: What other factors play
00:21:33.99\00:21:38.39
into this many-headed
monster called depression?
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NN: You know, one of them
that's very characteristic
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is pride. It's
actually a magnification
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of self. When people experience
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the distorted thought
of self-inflated pride,
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they are setting
themselves up for wounded pride.
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And then with that wounded
pride they've got the expose
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for depression,
anxiety and other symptoms.
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That's what led to Saul's issue.
He had the pride, and when
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the women sang, "Saul has
slain his thousands and David
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his tens of thousands,"
it was wounded pride,
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and it set him up
into that whole process.
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And the Lord knows how
to deal with that as well.
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JB: That reminds me of
another story in the Bible,
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the story of Nebuchadnezzar
in the book of Daniel.
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Is this not great
Babylon that I have built?
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And next thing you know he's
out eating grass like an ox.
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NN: Right. Well, you know,
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and the interesting thing,
his pride was so severe, he had
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been impressed by what the
Lord was doing multiple times,
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but not changed.
Impressed but not changed.
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And so the Lord had to get
to the root of his problem,
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which was his pride.
And his pride was so severe
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it took more
than a 10-day program.
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It was a multi-year program,
but it was the same type
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of principles. It
was a plant-based,
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vegetarian diet that
Nebuchadnezzar was put on.
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There was exercise
that was part of it.
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When you read
Nebuchadnezzar's testimony,
00:23:05.18\00:23:07.68
hydrotherapy was
part of the program.
00:23:07.68\00:23:10.39
The sleep/wake cycles were
there, and then in the end,
00:23:10.39\00:23:13.52
the cognitive
behavioral therapy to get rid
00:23:13.52\00:23:15.19
of the pride. JB:
So God knows the way
00:23:15.19\00:23:17.29
out of
depression. NN: Absolutely.
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JB: I don't want to
give anybody false hope.
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I don't want to do that.
Is there a danger that we
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could be telling someone,
there's a way out of depression
00:23:25.67\00:23:28.40
for you, when
really there just isn't?
00:23:28.40\00:23:31.04
NN: No danger. Of
course, we've dealt
00:23:31.04\00:23:34.14
with hundreds and thousands
of patients, but in our
00:23:34.14\00:23:38.35
treatment resistance program,
the most common complaint
00:23:38.35\00:23:41.75
we get from people coming
is they're thinking they're
00:23:41.75\00:23:45.39
going to be the first
one who does not respond
00:23:45.39\00:23:49.99
to the treatments
and the modalities
00:23:49.99\00:23:52.06
that we utilize.
They think that nothing
00:23:52.06\00:23:54.13
is going to help them.
Their relatives have made
00:23:54.13\00:23:55.96
them come. But at
the end of the program
00:23:55.96\00:23:58.43
they find out that
they respond as well.
00:23:58.43\00:24:00.80
And what I have to tell these
people who think that there's
00:24:00.80\00:24:03.51
no way out for them is, do
you think the biggest expert
00:24:03.51\00:24:08.71
in depression might not
know something about it?
00:24:08.71\00:24:11.51
And if the biggest expert
in depression might not know
00:24:11.51\00:24:14.62
something about it, perhaps
that individual doesn't know
00:24:14.62\00:24:16.42
something about it, and
what they don't know might
00:24:16.42\00:24:18.92
actually help them.
And so there is a way out
00:24:18.92\00:24:22.32
for everyone.
And if they find the
00:24:22.32\00:24:26.53
underlying cause, I have no
doubt that there's a solution
00:24:26.53\00:24:29.80
to bring them out of depression.
00:24:29.80\00:24:31.40
JB: Thank you
for joining me today.
00:24:31.40\00:24:33.10
This has been a blessing.
I just believe that people
00:24:33.10\00:24:35.67
are going to get their
lives back again out of that
00:24:35.67\00:24:39.37
vice-like grip of depression,
liberated, we've seen it happen
00:24:39.37\00:24:42.58
in so many lives many,
many times, liberated to lead
00:24:42.58\00:24:45.81
full, productive, joy-filled,
solid lives, rejoicing
00:24:45.81\00:24:49.92
in the Lord. NN: Amen.
00:24:49.92\00:24:52.79
JB: Friend, I want that person
to be you if you are suffering
00:24:52.79\00:24:54.69
from depression, or if
you know somebody who is,
00:24:54.69\00:24:57.19
let them know. Go to
DrNedley.com, get some
00:24:57.19\00:24:59.49
good materials, follow the
plan that we've been talking
00:24:59.49\00:25:02.73
about here, because there
is a cure, there is a way out
00:25:02.73\00:25:06.43
of depression, and God wants
you to experience what David
00:25:06.43\00:25:11.27
wrote about when he
said that in God's presence
00:25:11.27\00:25:13.81
there is fullness of
joy. I want to pray for you.
00:25:13.81\00:25:17.45
Dr. Nedley and I are going
to pray for you now and ask that
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God will bless you and
those you know and love who are
00:25:19.81\00:25:24.82
battling this
difficult thing. Let us pray.
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Our Father in heaven, we
thank you today for Jesus,
00:25:27.82\00:25:30.96
the Way, the Truth and the Life.
And I am grateful that he said
00:25:30.96\00:25:34.23
that he came to this
world that we might have life
00:25:34.23\00:25:36.67
more abundantly. Lord,
I pray that you'll help
00:25:36.67\00:25:39.83
us all to think healthy
thoughts, to have minds that
00:25:39.83\00:25:44.21
are centered in your Word,
to be livers of lives that are
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grounded, founded, rooted
in the principles of heaven
00:25:49.01\00:25:53.52
that will bring us
joy and joy everlasting.
00:25:53.52\00:25:56.82
Help us to be glad and grateful
today that there is a God
00:25:56.82\00:25:59.89
who loves us and a
God who has the way out
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of difficulties, just waiting
for us to find and follow.
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We thank you today and we
pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
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JB: Thanks for joining me today.
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You know, it is encouraging to
know that God has very real help
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for us, even in the midst
of our most difficult battles.
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For more of my conversation with
Dr. Nedley, please to go our
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website, itiswritten.com.
There, you'll be able to watch
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parts of this conversation that
we were not able to include in
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today's program. I'll
look forward to seeing
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you again next time.
Until then, please remember,
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it is written, man
shall not live by bread alone,
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but by every word
that proceeds from the
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mouth of God.
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