[Theme music] 00:01:30.12\00:01:40.16 [Theme music] 00:01:40.16\00:01:47.54 >>John Bradshaw: This is It Is Written. I'm John Bradshaw. 00:01:49.37\00:01:51.61 Thanks for joining me. Today, I'm at the Lynn H. Wood 00:01:51.64\00:01:54.94 Archaeological Museum on the campus of Southern Adventist 00:01:54.98\00:01:57.98 University, and I'm joined by the director of the 00:01:58.01\00:02:00.92 archaeological institute, Dr. Michael Hasel. Dr. Hasel, 00:02:00.95\00:02:04.02 thanks for joining me today. >>Michael Hasel: Great 00:02:04.05\00:02:05.35 to be with you. >>John: As we've 00:02:05.39\00:02:06.62 talked before about archaeology, we've gone back in time. We've 00:02:06.65\00:02:09.59 talked about David, and we've talked about Solomon, 00:02:09.62\00:02:12.69 other great luminaries of the Bible. We've talked about 00:02:12.73\00:02:15.16 everyday life in the Bible, looking through the lens 00:02:15.20\00:02:18.77 of archaeology. But I wonder if today we could bring it a little 00:02:18.80\00:02:21.84 closer to where we are and speak about Jesus. What does 00:02:21.87\00:02:26.21 archaeology teach us, reveal to us, about Jesus Christ? 00:02:26.24\00:02:30.75 >>Michael: Well, it teaches us a great deal about the time of 00:02:30.78\00:02:33.01 Jesus, and that is often what archaeology can do for us. 00:02:33.05\00:02:36.28 Sometimes it doesn't give us specific information about 00:02:36.32\00:02:39.69 events. Sometimes it may not give us specific information 00:02:39.72\00:02:42.66 about people. But in the case of Jesus, we're going to look at 00:02:42.69\00:02:46.49 the people surrounding Jesus in the New Testament era, the time 00:02:46.53\00:02:49.73 of Christ, and some of the artifacts that will illuminate 00:02:49.76\00:02:52.83 that period and the stories that Jesus told, which, uh, played on 00:02:52.87\00:02:57.44 everyday circumstances and everyday lessons that 00:02:57.47\00:03:00.21 people could relate to. >>John: My understanding 00:03:00.24\00:03:02.14 is that it's true that there are certain individuals in the 00:03:02.18\00:03:05.55 New Testament account that archaeology does refer to, and 00:03:05.58\00:03:09.95 does shine quite a bit of light on. Now, now who would they be? 00:03:09.98\00:03:13.32 >>Michael: Well, one of them is Caiaphas, the high priest. 00:03:13.36\00:03:18.19 We find both in the book of John and also in the book of Matthew. 00:03:18.23\00:03:21.83 Caiaphas is referred to as the high priest. He is the one that 00:03:21.86\00:03:25.20 uh, initiates, if you will, the plot against Jesus in terms of 00:03:25.23\00:03:29.94 seeking his life. He was also referred to by the Jewish 00:03:29.97\00:03:33.54 historian working on behalf of the Romans, Josephus, who is 00:03:33.58\00:03:37.01 our biggest source for the New Testament era, by the way. 00:03:37.05\00:03:40.25 Josephus refers to Joseph, the son of Caiaphas, uh, as being 00:03:40.28\00:03:44.35 the high priest during this time period. And it was a few 00:03:44.39\00:03:47.82 years ago in the 1990's that excavations took place in 00:03:47.86\00:03:53.06 preparation for a new garden and park south of Jerusalem. 00:03:53.09\00:03:57.03 It's known as the Promenade Park today. And there a tomb 00:03:57.07\00:04:00.70 complex, a family tomb complex, was found dating back to the 00:04:00.74\00:04:03.84 first century A.D. And in that tomb complex there were several 00:04:03.87\00:04:08.88 ossuaries, or bone boxes, which is the typical way that Jews 00:04:08.91\00:04:14.25 were burying the dead at that time. They would allow 00:04:14.28\00:04:16.08 the body to decay. Then they would gather up the bones and 00:04:16.12\00:04:19.22 place the bones in limestone boxes that were carved. One of 00:04:19.25\00:04:24.26 the ossuaries had the Hebrew or Aramaic inscription Joseph son 00:04:24.29\00:04:30.30 of Caiapha, or Caiaphas. And many scholars today believe 00:04:30.33\00:04:34.07 that this was, in fact, the tomb, and, in fact, the bone 00:04:34.10\00:04:37.31 box of Caiaphas himself. It's in the Israel Museum now. 00:04:37.34\00:04:40.31 >>John: Okay, these things are found--tombs, ossuaries, 00:04:40.34\00:04:45.18 bone boxes. How does an archaeologist go about 00:04:45.21\00:04:48.18 establishing who this might be or what period it might be from? 00:04:48.22\00:04:50.92 >>Michael: In this particular case, we have coins that were 00:04:50.95\00:04:53.99 found in the tomb that dated to the middle of the, middle 00:04:54.02\00:04:56.89 of the, um, first century. So the coins are the best source 00:04:56.93\00:05:01.46 that we have in the New Testament period to date 00:05:01.50\00:05:04.43 things, because they give precise, uh, years on them in 00:05:04.47\00:05:07.70 relationship to kings. That was a very good evidence. And then, 00:05:07.74\00:05:11.31 of course, the name itself, which was mirrored in Josephus, 00:05:11.34\00:05:14.24 and we also have in the Bible. This was a very 00:05:14.28\00:05:17.61 elaborate bone box. It was beautifully carved, intricately 00:05:17.65\00:05:21.78 carved. And it came from a very, very prominent, um 00:05:21.82\00:05:26.12 individual and seems to fit that kind of person. 00:05:26.15\00:05:29.46 >>John: Now, when an archaeologist makes this 00:05:29.49\00:05:31.09 kind of discovery, how excited does that archaeologist get? 00:05:31.13\00:05:33.66 I mean, help me put this in perspective. An athlete 00:05:33.70\00:05:36.50 wants to win a gold medal or break a world record. And I'm 00:05:36.53\00:05:40.10 not talking about silly pride here, but, but for an 00:05:40.14\00:05:43.00 archaeologist to find something like this, is this significant, 00:05:43.04\00:05:46.57 is it career-defining, is it a mountaintop experience, 00:05:46.61\00:05:50.21 or is it just another one of those things you come 00:05:50.25\00:05:52.65 across as an archaeologist? >>Michael: I think it's a 00:05:52.68\00:05:54.18 mountaintop experience. I mean, to find a name, not just 00:05:54.22\00:05:57.62 any name, but a name of a very prominent individual who's 00:05:57.65\00:06:00.39 mentioned in the Bible, who's mentioned in ancient sources, 00:06:00.42\00:06:03.76 and then to locate that person's tomb, is an incredible thing. 00:06:03.79\00:06:07.50 Let me share with you another story of one of 00:06:07.56\00:06:09.30 those mountaintop experiences. >>John: Sure, please do. 00:06:09.33\00:06:11.40 >>Michael: Ehud Netzer was a professor at the Hebrew 00:06:11.43\00:06:13.20 University for many, many years. I worked with him at Masada back 00:06:13.23\00:06:16.74 in the 90's. And Ehud Netzer was an expert on Herod the 00:06:16.77\00:06:20.34 Great. He spent his entire career excavating Herod's 00:06:20.38\00:06:24.85 fortresses and buildings at Masada, at Caesaria Maratima, 00:06:24.88\00:06:29.52 the port city that Herod built from scratch. And also he worked 00:06:29.55\00:06:34.22 at Herodium. And as he was excavating there for years, 00:06:34.26\00:06:37.26 he was looking for the tomb of Herod the Great. 00:06:37.29\00:06:40.53 Josephus describes his burial in quite some detail. And it took 00:06:40.56\00:06:45.43 Ehud Netzer, Professor Netzer, 38 years to find that tomb. 00:06:45.47\00:06:49.57 He wasn't looking all the time; he was working at other sites. 00:06:49.60\00:06:51.84 But eventually, in his seventies, he went 00:06:51.87\00:06:53.71 back to Herodium. He began to excavate; he'd already excavated 00:06:53.74\00:06:57.71 the lower palace. He had excavated the fortress itself, 00:06:57.75\00:07:00.12 which is, which is this cone-shaped, almost 00:07:00.15\00:07:02.42 looks like a volcano type of fortress, a huge fortress of 00:07:02.45\00:07:06.12 the Roman era. And Josephus had reported that Herod was 00:07:06.15\00:07:09.86 buried at Herodium. And he had looked everywhere else. 00:07:09.89\00:07:12.49 So what he did, he took apart the entire, um, side of this 00:07:12.53\00:07:17.83 mountain on which Herodium was built. And there he found 00:07:17.87\00:07:21.17 a monumental staircase leading up to a tomb. And there inside 00:07:21.20\00:07:25.04 the tomb, destroyed completely, was a sarcophagus, probably 00:07:25.07\00:07:29.68 destroyed by the Zealots after Herod's death, a sarcophagus 00:07:29.71\00:07:32.88 that was even more elaborate than the one found at Caiaphas's 00:07:32.91\00:07:36.52 tomb, uh, a huge, full-size sarcophagus that was later 00:07:36.55\00:07:41.76 pieced back together. And while it didn't have the name Herod 00:07:41.79\00:07:45.56 the Great on it, based on the description of Josephus, based 00:07:45.59\00:07:48.63 on the monumental staircase, based on the ornateness of this 00:07:48.66\00:07:52.73 sarcophagus, of this coffin, um, we can very likely say that it 00:07:52.77\00:07:58.21 is the tomb of Herod the Great. >>John: That's the same Herod 00:07:58.24\00:08:01.04 who ordered that all of the baby boys in 00:08:01.08\00:08:02.71 Bethlehem be put to death. >>Michael: Exactly. That was 00:08:02.74\00:08:05.05 the same Herod that died just shortly after the birth 00:08:05.08\00:08:08.38 of Christ. And, you know, going back to some of the other people 00:08:08.42\00:08:12.95 surrounding Jesus, what do we know? Well, we not only have 00:08:12.99\00:08:16.29 Caiaphas, who pops up right at the end of Christ's life, 00:08:16.32\00:08:20.36 just before his death, part of the plot to kill Jesus. 00:08:20.40\00:08:24.07 And we have Pontius Pilate. Pontius Pilate was the prefect 00:08:24.10\00:08:28.24 of Judea, and in 1961, in Caesaria Maratima, 00:08:28.27\00:08:33.98 the city that Herod the Great had built, reused as a stone in 00:08:34.01\00:08:37.61 one of the great, um, theaters there, is an inscription that 00:08:37.65\00:08:42.05 basically mentions the name of the emperor, Tiberius, and then 00:08:42.08\00:08:45.95 mentions Pontius Pilate, prefect of Judea. Part of it is broken, 00:08:45.99\00:08:52.89 but the letters are all there. We're able to piece that 00:08:52.93\00:08:55.53 together. So we have the major characters, the major leaders 00:08:55.56\00:09:00.04 around Jesus mentioned. We have, or found in 00:09:00.07\00:09:02.60 archaeological record. We have Caiaphas. We have Herod the 00:09:02.64\00:09:06.47 Great. We have Pontius Pilate. 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Dr. Hasel, 00:10:39.73\00:10:43.71 so far we've spoken about Jesus in archaeology, although we've 00:10:43.74\00:10:48.84 spoken around Him a little bit, speaking of the supporting cast, 00:10:48.88\00:10:52.81 some of the prominent figures in the life and 00:10:52.85\00:10:55.58 times and story of Jesus. But what does archaeology 00:10:55.62\00:10:58.32 teach us about Jesus Himself? Where do we find references to 00:10:58.35\00:11:02.19 Christ in the archaeological or the historical record? 00:11:02.22\00:11:05.16 >>Michael: We find references in several important sources. 00:11:05.19\00:11:08.26 Josephus, who we've mentioned before, the Roman historian who 00:11:08.30\00:11:11.90 is actually Jewish, writing for the Romans. He is living in 00:11:11.93\00:11:15.67 the first century, and he mentions Jesus by name. 00:11:15.70\00:11:20.04 He mentions him in reference to events that took place in, 00:11:20.08\00:11:24.48 in that part of the world at that time. Uh, he's Jewish, 00:11:24.51\00:11:28.25 and he has no reason, he's not Christian, he has no reason, 00:11:28.28\00:11:30.72 really to, so he's a kind of an independent person who's 00:11:30.75\00:11:33.69 looking from the outside. We have Tacitus, the senator 00:11:33.72\00:11:36.99 from Rome, who's well known as a Roman historian. And Tacitus, 00:11:37.03\00:11:41.06 in his annals, also refers to several events. He kind of lists 00:11:41.10\00:11:46.53 a string of events that are quite interesting. He mentions 00:11:46.57\00:11:50.21 Jesus Christ, actually Christ, he says, Christos, and he says 00:11:50.24\00:11:54.98 who was put to death by Pontius Pilate. And then he continues to 00:11:55.01\00:12:00.35 refer to the Christians, uh, who are in Rome at that time. 00:12:00.38\00:12:04.12 >>John: For me this is really significant, because I've 00:12:04.15\00:12:06.79 noticed today there's an increasing tendency for 00:12:06.82\00:12:08.82 people to say, oh, Jesus was a good man, probably. I have no 00:12:08.86\00:12:12.63 problem with Jesus. I don't know that I would identify as 00:12:12.66\00:12:14.86 a Christian or claim to be a Christian. But sure, 00:12:14.93\00:12:17.27 I can accept that Jesus was this good guy who lived. 00:12:17.30\00:12:21.14 But here you've got, essentially, contemporary 00:12:21.17\00:12:23.67 historians speaking about him, talking about aspects 00:12:23.71\00:12:26.71 of his life. Uh, fascinating that Tacitus referred to him 00:12:26.74\00:12:30.18 as Christos, and that he was crucified by Pontius Pilate. 00:12:30.21\00:12:33.52 What this suggests strongly is that the Bible narrative 00:12:33.55\00:12:36.65 is for real. It's true. This Jesus as Son of God 00:12:36.69\00:12:39.79 was nailed to a cross. And I imagine that what this should 00:12:39.82\00:12:43.63 do is confront people and say, no, this isn't a theory. 00:12:43.66\00:12:47.13 Jesus wasn't simply a good man, but perhaps--not perhaps from my 00:12:47.20\00:12:50.83 point of view--definitely was everything the Bible 00:12:50.87\00:12:53.30 claimed that he was. And archaeology, 00:12:53.34\00:12:55.57 the historical record, helps us to see that, doesn't it? 00:12:55.60\00:12:58.57 >>Michael: It helps us to see that. You know, the primary 00:12:58.61\00:13:01.64 sources, though, that we really have for Jesus' life are the 00:13:01.68\00:13:04.11 gospels, the four gospels in the New Testament. When you look at, 00:13:04.15\00:13:08.25 uh, the articles that we have that are closest to Christ in 00:13:08.28\00:13:12.52 terms of time, the latest gospel was written about AD 80 by John. 00:13:12.55\00:13:17.49 These were written within the lifetime of individuals who 00:13:17.53\00:13:22.40 could have witnessed Christ's death, who were there, 00:13:22.43\00:13:24.73 who could check the, the record, if you will, to see, 00:13:24.77\00:13:29.74 was Jesus actually born in Bethlehem? Were these 00:13:29.77\00:13:33.04 prophecies that the Old Testament talked about, 00:13:33.07\00:13:35.24 were they really fulfilled in this one man? 00:13:35.28\00:13:37.28 When you have that kind of evidence, and you look, and 00:13:37.31\00:13:39.35 you compare, and you see the, the pattern of events that, 00:13:39.38\00:13:43.35 that they consistently bring out--that Jesus lived, 00:13:43.39\00:13:47.96 that He died, that He was resurrected, that he was seen 00:13:47.99\00:13:50.79 after his resurrection by all of these different witnesses, 00:13:50.83\00:13:54.03 I think that's very significant. >>John: We know from the 00:13:54.10\00:13:58.43 Bible account how Jesus died--nailed to a cross. 00:13:58.47\00:14:03.57 Now, thousands of people were crucified. What does archaeology 00:14:03.61\00:14:08.21 bring to us with regards to the crucifixion of Jesus, or, with 00:14:08.24\00:14:12.41 regards to crucifixion as a phenomenon in and of itself? 00:14:12.45\00:14:15.28 >>Michael: In Jerusalem in 1968, a new, a new development, uh, 00:14:15.32\00:14:20.09 building development was taking place, and a tomb, 00:14:20.12\00:14:22.79 a family tomb was discovered with a number of these ossuaries 00:14:22.82\00:14:26.16 that we've talked about before. And one of these ossuaries 00:14:26.19\00:14:29.10 contained the name of Jehohanan. Well, that's a good name, 00:14:29.13\00:14:32.57 but what the ossuary contained was even more important. 00:14:32.60\00:14:36.84 Inside this ossuary were the remains of a crucified 00:14:36.87\00:14:40.04 individual. And we have a replica of what today is in 00:14:40.08\00:14:45.18 the Israel Museum. It is a part of an ankle bone that you see 00:14:45.21\00:14:49.98 here, with a nail. This is the head of the nail here, 00:14:50.02\00:14:53.46 piercing through that ankle bone and extending to the other side 00:14:53.49\00:14:57.39 of the ankle bone, and then the end of the nail is curved up. 00:14:57.43\00:15:00.10 Maybe it hit a knot in the, in the wood. Uh, we don't know 00:15:00.13\00:15:05.00 exactly what caused that, but that might very well be. 00:15:05.03\00:15:08.07 At any rate, Jehohanan died as a young man, crucified. 00:15:08.10\00:15:12.91 Uh, it dates back to the first century. So the death of Christ 00:15:12.94\00:15:19.15 on the cross is not a unique event. But we have evidence 00:15:19.18\00:15:24.59 for it in the archaeological record. And the only forensic 00:15:24.62\00:15:27.86 evidence, really, we have of crucifixion in the 00:15:27.89\00:15:29.96 archaeological record comes from Jerusalem, from this, 00:15:29.99\00:15:32.66 from this tomb complex. >>John: Crucifixion was 00:15:32.69\00:15:36.80 an especially terrible way to die. Who devised that method? 00:15:36.83\00:15:41.70 How, how did that method of crucifixion come about? 00:15:41.74\00:15:45.07 >>Michael: Well, we have references already back in 00:15:45.11\00:15:47.88 Deuteronomy, um, which is part of the five books of Moses, 00:15:47.91\00:15:52.18 the Torah, the Pentateuch, referring to, um, 00:15:52.21\00:15:56.32 impaled individuals. Uh, that was a little bit different than 00:15:56.35\00:16:00.06 crucifixion. It was impaling a body onto a stake of some type. 00:16:00.09\00:16:04.29 We know that the Assyrians practiced that. We have, 00:16:04.33\00:16:07.50 we have reliefs from their palaces--the palace at Nineveh, 00:16:07.56\00:16:10.60 for example, in Assyria, where they boast about their conquests 00:16:10.63\00:16:14.90 of these cities in the ancient Near East. And one of the cities 00:16:14.94\00:16:17.71 that they mention there is the site of Lachish, which we're 00:16:17.74\00:16:20.31 currently excavating. And, and in the British Museum you have 00:16:20.34\00:16:23.81 the series of reliefs, and it shows a number of prisoners 00:16:23.85\00:16:28.48 or captives that were taken from that city, or perhaps from other 00:16:28.52\00:16:31.42 surrounding cities, and were impaled on the stakes. 00:16:31.45\00:16:33.79 So the Assyrians are doing this early on. And then later on we 00:16:33.82\00:16:36.96 have a, a continuation of this practice as, as the Romans are 00:16:36.99\00:16:41.76 using crucifixion, which is a slightly different way of death. 00:16:41.80\00:16:44.90 You're not impaling somebody, but you're hanging someone on a 00:16:44.93\00:16:47.20 cross. And the method of death is different. You're basically 00:16:47.24\00:16:51.44 hanging on a cross. Every time you breathe, you have to push 00:16:51.47\00:16:54.24 yourself up on those nails that are nailing your feet 00:16:54.28\00:16:57.61 to the cross. In order to breathe, in order for your 00:16:57.65\00:16:59.51 diaphragm to expand, you're pushing yourself up. 00:16:59.55\00:17:02.28 And when you lose strength after several days, you finally, 00:17:02.32\00:17:05.62 you finally can't take a breath anymore, and you asphyxiate. 00:17:05.65\00:17:08.82 You're, you die that way. It was a very painful, 00:17:08.86\00:17:12.73 very humiliating, and a very long process. 00:17:12.76\00:17:16.10 >>John: And Jesus, knowing that that was what was 00:17:16.13\00:17:18.07 before him, chose that route and laid down his life for us. 00:17:18.10\00:17:22.17 >>Michael: Yeah, it was quite amazing. 00:17:22.20\00:17:24.47 >>John: Amazing and powerful. The life of Jesus through the 00:17:24.51\00:17:28.68 lens or through the prism of archaeology--the 00:17:28.71\00:17:32.18 life and times of Jesus. 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Psalm 22 deals a lot with 00:18:30.01\00:18:32.91 the death of Jesus. And we read this in Psalm 22:14: "I am 00:18:32.94\00:18:36.41 poured out like water, And all My bones are out of joint; 00:18:36.44\00:18:40.65 My heart is like wax; it has melted within Me." Now, what 00:18:40.68\00:18:44.85 does that sound like to you? Yes, you read about this being 00:18:44.89\00:18:47.66 fulfilled in John 19. This is a picture of Jesus going to the 00:18:47.69\00:18:51.29 cross. Now, this says something remarkable about the inspiration 00:18:51.33\00:18:55.20 of the Bible, and about the love of God. Jesus knew full well 00:18:55.23\00:19:01.27 what this Psalm said, and yet he still came to the earth and 00:19:01.30\00:19:05.41 he still went through the plan of salvation. This Old Testament 00:19:05.44\00:19:09.04 prophecy demonstrates to the world that prophecy can be 00:19:09.08\00:19:12.91 trusted and that God is love. I'm John Bradshaw 00:19:12.95\00:19:16.82 for It Is Written. Let's live today by every word. 00:19:16.85\00:19:19.42 [Theme music] >>John Bradshaw: Thanks for 00:19:19.59\00:19:23.76 joining me today on It Is Written. My guest is 00:19:23.79\00:19:25.86 Dr. Michael Hasel, an archaeologist who has 00:19:25.89\00:19:28.63 spent considerable amount of time digging in Israel and 00:19:28.66\00:19:32.63 unearthing, well, Dr. Hasel, some remarkable things that 00:19:32.67\00:19:35.97 shine a light on--would you say more Old Testament or 00:19:36.00\00:19:38.67 New Testament? >>Michael: Well, I've dug 00:19:38.71\00:19:40.31 at both period sites. I've dug in New Testament period sites 00:19:40.34\00:19:43.48 like Masada, and also up at Dorr, which was a 00:19:43.51\00:19:46.78 New Testament era city that went all the way back to 00:19:46.82\00:19:49.52 Old Testament times. But I, I consider myself more of an 00:19:49.55\00:19:52.05 expert in the ancient Near East and the time 00:19:52.09\00:19:55.22 of the Old Testament. >>John: Well, right now 00:19:55.26\00:19:56.56 we're speaking about archaeology and the life of Jesus. Now, 00:19:56.59\00:19:58.96 I'm going to read from Matthew 25 and verse 1: "Then shall the 00:19:58.99\00:20:02.63 kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took 00:20:02.66\00:20:06.50 their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom," 00:20:06.53\00:20:09.27 This is Jesus speaking here. "and five of them were wise, 00:20:09.30\00:20:13.07 and five of them were foolish. They that were foolish took 00:20:13.11\00:20:16.28 their lamps, and took no oil with them. But the wise took oil 00:20:16.31\00:20:21.88 in their vessles with their lamps." Now, as a layman, 00:20:21.92\00:20:28.22 reading this story for the first or the one-hundred and 00:20:28.26\00:20:31.89 first time, I can't really have an appreciation for what 00:20:31.93\00:20:35.06 Jesus was describing, but through the lens of archaeology 00:20:35.10\00:20:39.00 we get to see what Jesus was talking about. 00:20:39.03\00:20:40.97 Help us understand. >>Michael: Well, exactly. 00:20:41.00\00:20:42.94 When I was growing up as a kid, you know, I loved going 00:20:42.97\00:20:45.37 camping with my family. And we would have 00:20:45.41\00:20:47.48 these Coleman lanterns, these, with kerosene. 00:20:47.51\00:20:50.08 They would be about this big, and I would just be, as I read 00:20:50.11\00:20:53.28 the story, thinking about, you know, those kinds of big lamps. 00:20:53.31\00:20:56.85 The concept is somewhat similar. You put kerosene in the lamp. 00:20:56.89\00:20:59.82 It lights up. The ancient lamp, though, was much smaller, 00:20:59.85\00:21:04.09 and everybody who Jesus is telling the story to would have 00:21:04.13\00:21:06.93 immediately identified with these lamps, because they 00:21:06.96\00:21:09.20 were around during His time. Everybody had many of these in 00:21:09.23\00:21:12.80 their home. This is the kind of lamp that Jesus 00:21:12.83\00:21:15.20 was referring to. This is the typical Herodian lamp that is 00:21:15.24\00:21:19.21 the time of Herod, where the Herods, which goes all the way 00:21:19.24\00:21:22.58 to the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, 00:21:22.61\00:21:24.75 the destruction of Jerusalem. >>John: And this here 00:21:24.78\00:21:26.68 is an original? >>Michael: This is 00:21:26.72\00:21:28.38 an original. This is an original. This is a simple 00:21:28.42\00:21:30.75 Herodian lamp. This is not very complex. You can tell 00:21:30.79\00:21:34.06 it's Herodian lamp because of this flange spout here. 00:21:34.09\00:21:37.19 So you put the oil inside this opening here, and the wick 00:21:37.23\00:21:41.03 would extend out of this opening here and produce the flame. 00:21:41.06\00:21:44.53 And, uh, this was made out of two halves of a bowl, 00:21:44.57\00:21:49.10 and then the spout was added to it, and people would have these 00:21:49.14\00:21:54.58 in their homes in the evenings to provide light. 00:21:54.61\00:21:57.35 >>John: Has this one here been used? Can we know that? 00:21:57.38\00:21:59.38 >>Michael: This one has been used. You can see 00:21:59.41\00:22:00.95 the discoloration around here. You can see the soot that's 00:22:00.98\00:22:04.09 still there after all of these years. I have another lamp here 00:22:04.12\00:22:07.62 that is contemporaneous, from the same time period. 00:22:07.66\00:22:11.09 This is a much more elaborate lamp. You can see that it, 00:22:11.13\00:22:15.23 unlike that lamp, which was possibly formed by hand, or not, 00:22:15.26\00:22:19.37 maybe not done on a wheel. But this one was mold made, 00:22:19.40\00:22:23.67 and a mold would have been placed over this. 00:22:23.71\00:22:26.31 Again, two halves, but you can see the very intricate 00:22:26.34\00:22:29.68 design here, and you can see the very beautiful two 00:22:29.71\00:22:33.42 clusters of grapes. This is a vineyard with two clusters 00:22:33.45\00:22:36.12 of grapes on either side. >>John: Now, I can understand 00:22:36.15\00:22:38.39 this being used in a home. But here were some people 00:22:38.42\00:22:40.36 who went out, that these young ladies went to a place and took, 00:22:40.39\00:22:44.86 took this lamp with them. Was that practical? I mean.. 00:22:44.89\00:22:48.23 >>Michael: Uh, this is, uh, this is a very practical thing. 00:22:48.26\00:22:52.23 You know, what is fascinating to me too is, in the story, 00:22:52.27\00:22:55.44 people would have known exactly how long these lamps 00:22:55.47\00:22:59.31 would have lasted. Because they're all about the same size. 00:22:59.34\00:23:02.81 The content of oil would have been about the same. 00:23:02.84\00:23:05.11 We've tested these out--not the originals, but the replicas that 00:23:05.15\00:23:09.05 we've made, and we can say that the oil would have lasted 00:23:09.08\00:23:12.12 between an hour and a half to two hours. So we can get an idea 00:23:12.15\00:23:15.56 of how long the bridegroom in the story that Jesus is telling, 00:23:15.59\00:23:18.33 and this wedding feast, how long the bridegroom would have been 00:23:18.36\00:23:21.10 delayed in that particular account. And again, they 00:23:21.13\00:23:24.80 would have really understood the context. They've gone to 00:23:24.83\00:23:27.84 weddings. They've seen these lamps. They've used them. 00:23:27.87\00:23:30.61 They would have understood all of that. 00:23:30.64\00:23:32.17 >>John: Now, they took lamps, but the wise ones took oil with 00:23:32.21\00:23:35.04 them. And they took that oil in something like what? 00:23:35.08\00:23:38.15 >>Michael: Well, we have this little jar or juglet here. 00:23:38.18\00:23:43.12 Small jar, and with a nice handle. This would have 00:23:43.15\00:23:46.42 been something that they might have used 00:23:46.45\00:23:48.22 to take--this is a little large. There are smaller 00:23:48.26\00:23:50.59 ones as well. But this would have provided the extra oil, 00:23:50.63\00:23:53.93 perhaps, that they would have needed for any kind of delay. 00:23:53.96\00:23:57.63 >>John: Now, in considering crucifixion again for a moment: 00:23:57.67\00:24:01.70 The Bible speaks in several places about how at funerals, 00:24:01.74\00:24:06.78 at funeral gatherings, there were many mourners. 00:24:06.81\00:24:09.38 Sometimes these were hired mourners to come. 00:24:09.41\00:24:12.55 What has archaeology turned up for us today that helps us 00:24:12.58\00:24:16.92 understand, perhaps, some of idiosyncrasies about, uh, 00:24:16.95\00:24:19.69 funerals in that time? >>Michael: We have found 00:24:19.72\00:24:21.72 archaeologically some very interesting things that come 00:24:21.76\00:24:24.73 from that period. Mourners were often hired, actually, 00:24:24.76\00:24:28.80 at funerals to cry. And their tears were often gathered 00:24:28.83\00:24:32.30 in tear bottles that were then buried with the deceased. 00:24:32.33\00:24:36.14 And this is a tear bottle that comes from the Middle East. 00:24:36.17\00:24:38.91 And you can just imagine these mourners collecting their tears 00:24:38.94\00:24:43.91 and then placing this in the tomb. Uh, at the time of Christ, 00:24:43.95\00:24:48.88 we have the ladies coming to the tomb, uh, after the 00:24:48.92\00:24:53.32 Sabbath has finished. They're coming to the 00:24:53.36\00:24:55.49 tomb on Sunday morning. And Mary, of course, is the first 00:24:55.52\00:25:00.06 one that comes. And it's interesting. They're coming to, 00:25:00.10\00:25:03.90 to see, to mourn, to process what had taken place. 00:25:03.93\00:25:08.07 And, of course, what do they find? 00:25:08.10\00:25:10.01 >>John: An empty tomb. >>Michael: An empty tomb. 00:25:10.04\00:25:12.41 So here we've talked about Caiaphas, for example, 00:25:12.44\00:25:15.91 whose bone box is there. We find Jehohanan's bone 00:25:15.94\00:25:19.61 still stuck onto a nail that was used for crucifixion. 00:25:19.65\00:25:26.22 And yet the tomb of Jesus is empty today. And that's the 00:25:26.25\00:25:29.82 hope that Christianity has through the centuries. 00:25:29.86\00:25:32.63 >>John: The one thing archaeologists will never find. 00:25:32.66\00:25:36.03 >>Michael: That's right. >>John: Archaeology helps 00:25:36.06\00:25:37.90 us understand that the Bible is a real book, that what we read 00:25:37.93\00:25:41.80 in there are accounts of real people, real figures, 00:25:41.84\00:25:45.01 real events, and a real Christ. Today, among other things, 00:25:45.04\00:25:49.54 we've looked at the reality--the awful, the brutal reality 00:25:49.58\00:25:52.41 of crucifixion. And we see that Jesus, the maker of the world, 00:25:52.45\00:25:57.69 was nailed to a cross made from wood which He Himself, 00:25:57.72\00:26:01.79 as Creator, had originated in the first place. 00:26:01.82\00:26:05.43 He was suspended between the Earth and the Heavens to die: 00:26:05.46\00:26:08.90 to die so that we can live. That's an encouraging thought. 00:26:08.93\00:26:13.57 Jesus died for the whole world. That best-known verse 00:26:13.60\00:26:17.21 of the Bible says: "God so loved the 00:26:17.24\00:26:19.84 world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever 00:26:19.87\00:26:24.01 believes in him should not perish. but have 00:26:24.05\00:26:25.48 everlasting life." (John 3:16) 00:26:25.51\00:26:27.05 And you're in that "whosoever." 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We thank you for a Bible that is built on 00:28:17.96\00:28:23.06 solid evidence. Now without the archeological evidence, 00:28:23.10\00:28:26.87 we would believe anyway because our experience with you 00:28:26.90\00:28:29.64 testifies that your word is true. We thank you that along 00:28:29.67\00:28:33.58 with the witness of your spirit, you have provided ample 00:28:33.61\00:28:36.81 evidence, many reasons to believe. 00:28:36.85\00:28:39.58 Yes, this is your book, that the things contained in it are true, 00:28:39.61\00:28:44.09 and that the hope offered is real. Give us grace to rejoice 00:28:44.12\00:28:48.49 in that hope, in the hope that Jesus died for everyone of us. 00:28:48.52\00:28:54.93 And that one day soon we will be enjoying the reality of eternity 00:28:54.93\00:28:58.63 with you at your home. We pray with thanks, 00:28:58.67\00:29:03.67 and we pray in Jesus' name, amen. 00:29:03.71\00:29:07.64 Thank you so much for joining me today. 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