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Thanks for joining me
today on It Is Written.
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Today, a very special guest,
best selling author Will Barron
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sharing not only his experience
in the New Age movement,
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but also how the New
Age movement is impacting
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and infiltrating
Christianity today.
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JB: Will, thank you so
much for joining me today.
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WB: Pleasure to be here today.
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JB: We have already
talked about how you became
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entangled from having been
a Christian, became entangled
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in the New Age movement
and then the Lord miraculously
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delivered you from that.
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Today, let's talk
about what's going on within
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Christianity.
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You speak as one who was
commissioned at one stage to
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infiltrate Christian churches
and bring into Christian
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churches New Age ideas,
practices and disciplines.
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What are some of the
things that have gone from the
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New Age movement into
Christianity that people are
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familiar with today.
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WB: There are primarily
two New Age practices that are
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infiltrating Christianity.
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One of them is
eastern mystical meditation,
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also known as transcendental
meditation, which is
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infiltrating in Christian
circles under the name of
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Christian meditation
and the second would be
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the infiltration of
yoga into Christian circles.
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My personal spirit guide that
was a counterfeit Jesus Christ
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told me to infiltrate Christian
churches, to introduce this
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so-called Christian meditation
into Christian churches.
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In today's society, when people
talk about the word meditation,
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they invariably now
think of Eastern meditation.
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This is a practice we will
sit quietly, either in a chair,
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or possibly sitting on
the floor in a cross-legged
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position, which is a
yoga-posture position.
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People will close their eyes.
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They will tend to
keep their spine erect.
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They will go through
preliminary breathing
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exercises, deep
breathing exercises.
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This is coming from the
yoga, breath control techniques.
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They will endeavor to blank
out their mind of all thoughts
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and ideas and have
their mind then open,
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supposedly, to the impression
of God or the Holy Spirit.
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What I described is
totally from the eastern pagan
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religion of
Hinduism and Buddhism.
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It has no description,
whatsoever, in the Bible.
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JB: What is so wrong about
sitting in a certain position?
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What is so wrong
about clearing one's mind.
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So the Buddhists do it, so
the yoga practitioners do it.
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Does that make it wrong, Will?
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WB: It does.
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Absolutely.
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The danger is that these
are occult practices designed to
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enhance communication with
spirit beings and people that
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are involved in pagan
religion such as buddhism
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and hinduism, they are
communicating with spirits
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but these are not
the true spirit of God.
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These are not God's angels
that they are communicating
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with.
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Invariably, they are
demonic spirits, masquerading as
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angels of light.
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This practice is
absolutely dangerous.
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It is so dangerous that I
am encouraged, I have a passion
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to warn people not to
be involved in this kind of
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practice.
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JB: A person would be saying
'We do this in church and we
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are calling out to
Jesus' so what's so dangers?
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I understand you told me
where it comes from, what
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it's used for,
what it is to enhance.
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What's so dangerous for
a Christian to get involved
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with this?
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Where can it lead?
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WB: Since my book DECEIVED
The New Age was published in
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1990, which is 22 years
ago, I have done quite a lot of
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counseling of Christians that
have started to practice yoga
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and started to practice
this eastern meditation.
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They had teachers telling
them that this was Christian
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meditation and the results
of their practice has been very
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negative and has been demonic
and they have approached me
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for counsel because it
has opened the door to demonic
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harassment, to the
influence of demonic spirits and
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I maintain from
personal experience this type of
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practice is absolutely
dangerous and it has no part
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in the Bible at all.
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It is not described
in the Bible at all.
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The meditation that is
described in the Bible is
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simply the reading of
God's Word, the study of God's
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Word, and the normal
intellectual process of
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thinking about what you
have read and applying it
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to your life.
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Meditation in the Bible
has nothing at all to do with
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deep breathing techniques,
sitting quietly in yoga lotus
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position.
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Those are all
from pagan religions.
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JB: So what you're saying
is, used in a pagan context,
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these practices are simply
the doorway to communicating
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with evil spirits brought
into the Christian context.
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It's still the same doorway.
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WB: It's an evil doorway
and it is downright dangerous.
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JB: So you can't Christianize
it by bringing it into
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Christianity.
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WB: If you study the Old
Testament, constantly the
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Israelites were trying to
adopt pagan religion customs
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and constantly God was
sending prophets to tell the
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Israelites DO NOT
practice pagan relation customs
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because it is dangerous.
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JB: You know, Yoga is really
common in Christianity today,
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shockingly common.
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It's nothing these days for
churches to be offering what
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they call Christian yoga.
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I'm going to read
a definition of yoga.
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Here's a
definition of what yoga is.
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"Yoga is a physical,
mental and spiritual discipline
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originating in ancient India.
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The goal of yoga or of
the person practicing yoga
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[this is interesting] is
the attainment of a state of
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perfect spiritual insight
and tranquility while meditating
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on the Hindu concept
of divinity or Brahmin.
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The word associated
with meditative practices in
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Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism."
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Can something like that
really be brought into a
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church now?
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Now this is the pathway to
Satan, the pathway we are now
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using as the pathway to Jesus.
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It doesn't look like that
would be possible, does it?
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WB: The very word yoga
comes from Sanskrit and it is
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connected with the
English word, yoke.
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Jesus told us that we should
be yoked to Him because His
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burden is light
and his yoke is easy.
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True Christian yoga
is to be yoked to Jesus.
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The yoga of the Hindu
religion is a system of
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spiritual practice whose goal
is to yoke you to the gods of
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Hinduism.
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There are hundreds of pagan
deitists in Hinduism and the
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goal of yoga is to yoke or
connect you or to bring about
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a state of union.
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The word yoga literally means
union -- union with the gods
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of Hinduism.
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The whole goal of salvation
is to deliver us from the
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Satanic pagan evil
forces that are out there.
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Will, just a moment ago,
we were speaking about Yoga.
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Let's carry on with that
because this is something
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that Christian churches
are embracing and offering to
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their members and
offering to the community.
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I'm going to read another
definition, if you don't mind.
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"Kundalini yoga is
a physical, mental and
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spiritual discipline
for developing strength,
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awareness,
character and consciences.
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So far, that
sounds innocuous enough.
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Practices call it the YOGA
of Awareness because it focuses
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primarily on practices that
expand sensory awareness and
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intuition.
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In order to raise individual
consciousness [and here is
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where it gets very
fascinating] and merge it
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with the infinite
consciousness of god Brahmin."
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There's nothing
subtle about that.
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Christians are
grabbing hold of this?
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WB: Some are.
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The most advanced type of
yoga would be Kundalini yoga.
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Within Hinduism, the very
word Kundalini is a reference
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to the uncoiling
of the serpent power.
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So no, we are not
just talking about physical
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exercises.
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We're talking about within
Hindu yoga, language that is
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saying that there is a
serpent power inside of you
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and there is a serpent
power that the god consciousness
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can inspire within you and
that this power can bring you
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yogic powers or mystical
powers and have mystical
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consciousness experiences.
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Now John, let me ask you.
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Where do you think
serpent power comes from?
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This is part of
mainstream Hinduism.
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JB: There's nothing subtle
about that idea of the serpent.
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As Christians, we go
back to the Garden of Eden and
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recognize that this was
the tool of Satan to bring sin
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and misery and death into the
world and when we think about
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this, how is it possible
that we can put a christianizing
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on it?
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How can we baptize
this and talk about what is
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essentially, take something
from the realm of myth.
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It has nothing to do with
the reality of Christianity.
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It's mythical inasmuch as
some of these things that are
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talked about have no basis
in biblical fact but real in the
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sense that there is an enemy
who is an expert of deception.
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WB: The tragedy is that most
Christians that get involved
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with yoga will start out
with Hatha yoga, the physical
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exercises, the breathing
postures, the stretching
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exercises, and this is
promoted by New Agers, as a
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means of
attaining better health.
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JB: Is it true?
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Are there benefits in ...
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I mean, it seems to me
it would be good for us to
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stretch and so forth,
that sort of exercise.
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WB: It probably is.
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There probably is a benefit
of exercise value with that
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type of Hatha yoga.
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However ...
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JB: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
I gotta ask you this, I see,
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and I think this
is the "however."
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Someone is
watching this right now.
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They say "I pastor the
church" or "I'm the women's
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ministry leader" or something
like that "and we do yoga and
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we just get the ladies or
the men to stretch, and we're
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doing this and we're
finding that people are being
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helped."
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WB: The danger is that this
type of yoga invariable leads
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to transcendental-type
meditation and it is the
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practice of this
transcendental meditation
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that opens people up
to demonic influence.
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This is a Hindu-mystical
occult practice and I suggest
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that people keep away from it.
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There are many other
exercises you can practice
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without getting involved
in what is essentially a Hindu
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spiritual practice.
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JB: I've read some
interesting articles about
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yoga recently.
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One of them -- and this is
interesting -- one of these
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articles about yoga said
that not every yoga teacher is
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qualified to teach yoga,
and we're talking the stretching
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aspects.
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You can hurt
yourself doing that.
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And this was an article on
a mainstream website saying
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Please be careful.
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It's not everything you think.
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But the photograph of
them showed when they had
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finished, they were sitting
in the lotus position with
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their hands held just so.
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There was more to it
than just stretching.
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WB: This is a spiritual
exercise, a very dangerous
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spiritual exercise.
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JB: So for Christians who
believe we can do this just
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for the physical benefits,
you are saying you cannot
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possibly disentangle the
spiritual danger from any
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physical benefit.
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WB: That is correct.
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There are other ways of
having spiritual exercises.
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There are other
methods of stretching.
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There are other methods
of dynamically exercising.
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My suggestion, my
recommendation, my plea: keep
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away from yoga.
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JB: And you know, you've
written the book Deceived by
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the New Age.
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You know whereof you speak.
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WB: Yes.
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JB: I respect that and
appreciate that very much.
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Let's move to
another subject here.
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The Wicca religion,
if we can call it that.
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Very fast growing.
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It's growing in number of
adherence and in acceptance
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in society today.
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There is a British author who
has written a number of books
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dealing with a young fellow
whose name was Harry Potter.
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Now, a lot of people have
spoken about Harry Potter.
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This isn't new.
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The Harry Potter books
are all over now, but they are
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still everywhere.
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Many parents, even Christian
parents, were saying at least
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my kid is reading.
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At least my child is
enjoying literature now.
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Can these books be innocuous
and harmless when in the
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hands in Christians?
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WB: I would say my
major plunge into New Age
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spirituality occurred through
reading fiction occult books.
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JB: Can they be harmless
or are they always harmful?
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WB: I believe they
are always harmful.
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JB: You became, it says on
the cover of your book, a New
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Age Priest.
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You were a card-carrying,
fully paid up, totally
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immersed, giving your
life to this New Age movement.
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You began
through books and movies.
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WB: Yes.
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Occult books and occult movies.
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Yes.
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JB: There's somebody saying
"You're saying that my kid is
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going to turn into a
devil because he is reading
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Harry Potter books."
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I don't think we're saying
that every child is going to
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slide all the way to hell
because he or she looked at a
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book, so explain to me
why these books are so harmful
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and why we cannot just pass
them off as harmless fiction.
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WB: Because the books
are really not fully fiction.
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They are what we
would call faction.
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They are fiction books
but they are best on genuine
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occult information,
occult experience and occult
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teachings, and
occult spiritual practice.
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What happened to me when
I started to look at occult
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movies and started to read
occult books, and in my heart
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I had a sense that this
isn't just fiction, there is
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something real about the
message in these books and it
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was my striving, my goal to
find the real power, although
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I started out reading fiction
books, I migrated over into
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reading non-fiction occult
books, because I was looking
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for that kind of power.
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Kids will read Harry
Potter books and kids relate to
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Harry Potter, to the
challenges that he had to
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make sense out of his life,to
make meaning out of his life,
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to have purpose in life and
to have power over your life.
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And they will want that same
power, that same meaning, and
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invariably having being
subjected to the fiction
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aspect, they will then
start going to bookstores and
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looking for the real
books on Wicca or the witchcraft
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religion.
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JB: It seems to me too I
could boil it down and make
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it this simple.
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You read about Superman and
you say "wouldn't it be great
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to be able to fly?
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Wouldn't it be cool to
be able to be as strong as
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Superman."
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But we are never going to
be able to fly and we are never
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going to bend
steel bars in our hands.
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But a child will read Harry
Potter and say "wouldn't it
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be cool to be able to
do some of that stuff?"
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The fact of the matter is,
a kid could do some of that
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stuff."
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WB: He could.
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Yes, through occult practices
you do have the power to do
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what is done in
the Harry Potter books.
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JB: Will, it's explosive
stuff and it is very powerful
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and it's very real.
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Looking forward to
coming back in just a moment and
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speaking more with Will
Barron about the New Age or
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the New spirituality
and how it's impacting
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and infiltrating Christianity.
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More, right ahead.
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In 2 Thessalonians 2:10,
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a certain group of
people who he said received not
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the love of the truth
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Based on what Paul is
saying, only those who love
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the truth will
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He didn't say salvation is
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only but those
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I'm sure churches are crowded
with people who know the truth
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but it is only when
Jesus touches your heart
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that that truth starts
to make any real difference.
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While you study the Bible
and do whatever else you do
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for spiritual growth,
keep in mind salvation is not
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only about theory.
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You can be right
and still be wrong.
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It is when you love the
Savior who you find in the midst
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of the truth of God's word
that things really come alive.
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I'm John Bradshaw
for It Is Written.
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Let's live today by Every Word.
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JB: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Written.
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With me, best-selling
author Will Barron whose book
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Deceived by the New Age ..
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it wasn't written yesterday.
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It's been out for 20 years now.
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What is so interesting
about this book, a best-selling
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book is that its warnings
sounded 20 years ago, are
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more relevant today even
than they were two decades ago.
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Are you surprised by that Will?
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You blew the whistle on the
New Age movement two decades
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ago but it's present in
Christianity more strongly
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now than it has ever been.
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Are you surprised by that?
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Not at all.
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Because all this has
been prophesied in the Bible.
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The Bible does prophesy that
there will be apostasy in the
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last days.
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It prophesy's that Satan
will be at work with greater
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power, with greater
deceivableness and we are not
00:19:06.53\00:19:10.43
seeing it infiltrate
more strongly in the Christian
00:19:10.43\00:19:13.23
church than ever before.
00:19:13.23\00:19:15.60
And in our regular secular
world, New Age is no longer
00:19:15.60\00:19:18.96
weird, it is no longer
off-beat, it is now becoming
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mainstream part of
American culture and culture
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throughout the world.
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JB: Where do we see
it in American culture?
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Give me an example of where
you would say "here, and here
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and here, this is where
we see New Age phenomena"
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accepted.
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WB: For example, a lot
of people are aware that
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physical fitness
leads to good health.
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JB: Sure.
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WB: But if you look at
the advertisements for these
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different fitness centers,
they all promote yoga and
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they all promoteeditation
as a form of relaxation.
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Within the health professions
now, you have a lot of
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alternative health care
practitioners at work within
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mainstream medical practices
who are now using mystical
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power and mystical energies
as a means of endeavoring to
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produce healing, so you find
it in the health professions,
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within psychology.
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A lot of psychologists
now are adopting New Age
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philosophies as part of
their psychology discipline.
00:20:21.96\00:20:26.36
JB: I was very surprised
speaking with someone close
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to me recently who was very
ill, describing this sort of
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treatment being experienced,
and it was mystical.
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She runs her hand up my
back and she can find the energy
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centers and she tells me
whether the energy is up or
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down and then ...
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this doesn't have a
any basis in science.
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It's not scientific.
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You can't prove this stuff.
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It's clearly mystical and it
came directly from the New Age.
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WB: Yes.
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It's part of the main
streaming of the New Age
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spirituality movement.
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JB: What you've already
told me too is that the New Age
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movement has been on a
mission to mainstream itself.
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WB: Absolutely.
00:21:03.16\00:21:04.00
JB: It's been very
successful, hasn't it?
00:21:04.00\00:21:05.83
WB: Yes.
00:21:05.83\00:21:06.56
JB: Why are people buying it?
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The person who told me
this is a rationale thinker, a
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clear thinking, a
scientific thinker.
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Now also is very sick.
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Why are people falling for this?
00:21:17.23\00:21:19.86
WB: Because
Satanic power is real.
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These healers, through
the agency of Satan's demons,
00:21:22.83\00:21:29.60
do have certain powers
and we know from the book
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of Revelation that there will
be signs, miracles and wonders
00:21:33.66\00:21:37.43
manifested by
Satan and his devils.
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So when people go to a New
Age practitioner who may not
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be practicing under this
world "New Age", they are
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just practicing what they
call alternative therapies or
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natural therapies, they are
using demonic power and this
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power can be felt.
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They can be sensations.
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They can be feelings
of warmth or feelings
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of relaxation.
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The demonic spirits are
able to beam that kind of power
00:22:05.63\00:22:08.86
upon people and it looks like
it works, in the short term,
00:22:08.86\00:22:13.20
but I know from personal
experience the longer that I
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was involved in the New
Age, the sicker I became.
00:22:16.43\00:22:22.13
JB: Christians have, and
rightly so, at least many
00:22:22.13\00:22:25.40
Christians, a desire to
get closer to God, to know God
00:22:25.40\00:22:27.76
better, to enrich
their spiritual life.
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I've heard some talk
about something called
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Contemplative prayer.
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Can you unpack that for me?
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What is contemplative prayer.
00:22:37.00\00:22:38.63
What is involved in
that and are there dangers in
00:22:38.63\00:22:41.50
contemplative prayer?
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WB: Well, I think it is good,
that Christians want to get
00:22:43.30\00:22:48.20
close to God, want to know
God, want to experience God,
00:22:48.20\00:22:53.40
want to have intimacy with God.
00:22:53.40\00:22:56.40
This is wonderful.
00:22:56.40\00:22:58.26
The danger is that the
contemplative prayer movement
00:22:58.26\00:23:02.80
has adopted eastern mysticism
techniques as a means of
00:23:02.80\00:23:08.26
trying to get closer to
God, and these are very, very
00:23:08.26\00:23:11.00
dangerous and I don't believe
for one moment that it is
00:23:11.00\00:23:15.83
God's will that you use
pagan Hindu mystical meditation
00:23:15.83\00:23:21.00
techniques as a means of
getting closer to the God of
00:23:21.00\00:23:23.70
the Bible.
00:23:23.70\00:23:25.13
JB: Speaking of the God
of the Bible, Will, are there
00:23:25.13\00:23:27.00
any Biblical principles or
a couple of Bible verses that
00:23:27.00\00:23:29.80
you would recommend as
being guiding principles to help
00:23:29.80\00:23:32.40
people steer clear of
the New Age, new spirituality
00:23:32.40\00:23:37.03
corruptions and stay close
to Jesus in this troubled world?
00:23:37.03\00:23:40.40
WB: What comes to my mind
is the way Jesus lived, and the
00:23:40.40\00:23:44.70
spirituality that Jesus had.
00:23:44.70\00:23:46.30
In all the dialogue that
Jesus had with the Pharisees
00:23:46.30\00:23:51.13
and the Sadducees and
the priests, He constantly
00:23:51.13\00:23:54.50
referred to the
Scriptures, constantly.
00:23:54.50\00:23:57.66
He would say "It is written."
00:23:57.66\00:24:00.73
If we want to know God,
we can know God through the
00:24:00.73\00:24:06.60
Scriptures.
00:24:06.60\00:24:08.40
JB: If we stand on the
Word of God, we are always going
00:24:08.40\00:24:11.96
to be okay, aren't we?
00:24:11.96\00:24:13.60
WB: Absolutely, yes.
00:24:13.60\00:24:14.90
JB: Will Barron, you wrote
this marvelous book Deceived
00:24:14.90\00:24:17.50
by the New Age.
00:24:17.50\00:24:19.36
I am very thankful for it.
00:24:19.36\00:24:20.40
I am thankful that it has
helped many people find their
00:24:20.40\00:24:22.80
way out of the New Age, out
of what today we call the new
00:24:22.80\00:24:26.40
spirituality and to Jesus.
00:24:26.40\00:24:27.90
I am thankful for what God
has done in your life and I
00:24:27.90\00:24:29.80
am very, very thankful
that you have been here today to
00:24:29.80\00:24:32.83
share with people
watching It Is Written.
00:24:32.83\00:24:35.50
It's wonderful what
God has done for you.
00:24:35.50\00:24:38.53
Thank you very much.
00:24:38.53\00:24:39.66
WB: Thank you.
00:24:39.66\00:24:40.46
JB: I'd like to encourage
you to go to out website,
00:24:40.46\00:24:42.40
itiswritten.com, where you
will find additional material
00:24:42.40\00:24:44.93
from Will Barron, material
that we have not had time to
00:24:44.93\00:24:46.46
include in today's program,
and also remember, this is
00:24:46.46\00:24:48.83
Part 2 of the two part series.
00:24:48.83\00:24:50.96
Part 1 can be
seen at our website
00:24:50.96\00:24:52.83
itiswritten.com/television.
00:24:52.83\00:24:56.26
Today we've been taking
about a very important topic.
00:24:56.26\00:24:59.40
Something that
affects many, many people.
00:24:59.40\00:25:01.06
Something that is
confronting Christianity today.
00:25:01.06\00:25:04.16
Will, thanks for joining us.
00:25:04.16\00:25:04.93
But what I know, before
we go, there are many people
00:25:04.93\00:25:07.23
that are wanting us and
needing us to pray for them
00:25:07.23\00:25:09.83
right now, and ask for God's
special power to be delivered
00:25:09.83\00:25:13.13
from the New Age, or
that family members might be
00:25:13.13\00:25:15.23
delivered, as you
were, by the grace of God.
00:25:15.23\00:25:18.03
Let's pray together, can we?
00:25:18.03\00:25:21.43
Our Father in heaven,
we thank you for that great
00:25:21.43\00:25:23.26
promise in the Bible.
00:25:23.26\00:25:23.83
It says "Greater is he that
is in you than he that is in
00:25:23.83\00:25:25.23
the world."
00:25:25.23\00:25:26.16
I pray that you would guide
us, guide us on a clear path,
00:25:26.16\00:25:27.83
a safe path, on the narrow
path that avoids the pitfalls
00:25:27.83\00:25:30.83
and the potholes of this
new spirituality or the New Age
00:25:30.83\00:25:36.86
movement.
00:25:36.86\00:25:37.96
Certainly there are things
that you can bring into our
00:25:37.96\00:25:41.46
lives to deepen our
relationship with you.
00:25:41.46\00:25:43.33
But I pray that you will keep
us from the bad, keep us from
00:25:43.33\00:25:46.96
the dangerous.
00:25:46.96\00:25:48.56
I know that right now there
are people saying Lord, "free
00:25:48.56\00:25:50.86
me, freedom, Lord" and there
are people who are crying out
00:25:50.86\00:25:54.06
"Lord, free my son or my
daughter, free my brother or
00:25:54.06\00:25:57.90
my sister, and let your
power work in those lives.
00:25:57.90\00:25:59.90
We thank you that
we can be sure in you.
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Keep us please.
00:26:02.43\00:26:04.43
Preserve us until
the coming of Jesus.
00:26:04.43\00:26:06.90
We ask you in Jesus' name, amen.
00:26:06.90\00:26:11.93
The Bible tells us that
there's a battle raging,
00:26:24.43\00:26:26.50
a battle for the
supremacy of planet earth.
00:26:26.50\00:26:30.33
A spiritual battle, and we
are caught in the middle of it.
00:26:30.33\00:26:33.20
But God hasn't left us
to battle the forces of evil
00:26:33.20\00:26:35.53
on our own.
00:26:35.53\00:26:36.30
I want to share with you a
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