What do Super Bowl winning
quarterback Terry Bradshaw,
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television
personality David Letterman
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and business tycoon T. Boone
Pickens all have in common?
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Well, apart from being
tremendously successful
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in their chosen careers,
they've all had a serious battle
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with depression.
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Depression can be seriously
debilitating, and people
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of faith are not
immune to its effects.
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I've come to Weimar,
California to speak with
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Dr. Neil Nedley, the president
of Nedley Health Solutions,
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and an expert in
the area of depression.
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Does God have a
way out of depression?
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And what help
does the Bible offer?
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Today we find out.
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Thank you for
joining me on It Is Written.
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>: It has stood
the test of time.
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Still relevant in
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JB: Dr. Nedley, thanks so
much for joining me today.
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Appreciate it.
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NN: It's great to be here.
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JB: We're talking about a
very, very serious subject
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today, that of depression.
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It affects people, it's
no respecter of persons.
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NN: Correct.
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JB: If you're wealthy,
not so wealthy, bright, not so
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bright, male, female,
doesn't matter your ethnic
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background.
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If you're a believer in
God or not, you can still be
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depressed.
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NN: Exactly.
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JB: Which is
interesting, isn't it?
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The Bible enjoins us to rejoice
and be happy and in God's
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presence there is joy,
and yet there are many people
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in church clinically depressed.
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NN: Yeah.
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JB: Before we talk
about the right way out, what,
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in your experience, are
most people doing to treat
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their depression?
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NN: Well, the most
common treatment is medication.
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And well over $20
billion is spent in this country
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on the medicines alone.
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And many of these
medicines are expensive.
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There are all sorts of
antidepressants out there,
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and they're flying off shelves.
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But they're not a cure-all.
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They're not the fix.
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JB: Is it true
that antidepressants
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are the largest selling
classification of drugs?
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NN: Correct, yes.
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JB: Is it helping?
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NN: Well, it helps 20%
of them to the point where
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they're no longer depressed.
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JB: Two out of ten
depressed people take medication
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and essentially get
over the depression.
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NN: Correct.
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JB: Two out of ten.
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So eight out of ten not so much.
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NN: Eight out ten, right.
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In fact, three out of
ten won't experience even
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a slight
improvement with the drugs.
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Even a combination, if
you put four antidepressants
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on them, and raise the
dose, they're still not going
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to respond.
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So three out of ten will have
zero response to medication.
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And then what's left in
the middle are those who get
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a slight or moderate response,
but are still clinically
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depressed and
still suffering from it.
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JB: Half of people taking
medication for depression,
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they're still depressed
even though they're taking
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the medication.
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NN: Exactly.
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JB: Now, I'm just thinking
for the cynic who says, oh,
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come on.
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But this is statistically true.
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NN: Oh, absolutely.
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It's been shown, in fact,
if anything, I'm stating things
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more in favor of
the pharmaceuticals
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than the statistics
are actually showing.
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So I'm quoting
drug company data.
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This is the data from
the drug companies themselves
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that I'm quoting.
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JB: You got this data from
what the drug companies say.
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NN: From the
drug companies, yeah.
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So that's why I'm saying,
if anything I'm slighting
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it toward the drug companies.
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There are some studies
out here that indicate that
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antidepressants
virtually help no one.
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Now, I don't believe
that personally because
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as a doctor I've prescribed
antidepressants and I've seen
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their effect in some
people in a positive way.
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But in reality, I've
also realized that this is not
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the cure.
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This may help some
people, but there are far better
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approaches to treating
depression, with far less
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side effects, and
they're far cheaper.
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JB: What are some of the
side effects people are getting
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from medication, just quickly?
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NN: Well, weight gain
is one of the big ones.
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And so it tends to cause
weight gain, it tends to cause
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them to have an "I
don't care" attitude.
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So that when
something happens in their life,
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like their spouse dies,
they feel like they should cry
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at the funeral and care about
this, but it's kind of like,
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eh, oh well.
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And that's not a healthy thing.
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It also increases
impulsiveness at first when
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you start taking it.
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And that's why they have
black box warnings on them
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that say if someone is
suicidal, watch out because this
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will increase their
impulsiveness, and suicide
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is often an impulsive act.
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And so here the person who's
suicidal needs to get better,
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but the drug that they're
utilizing might tide them
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over the edge, and it's a
very difficult situation for
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caregivers or physicians
to know what to do with these
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individuals when
they're to that point.
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JB: But there is a safe way,
there is a healthy way to treat
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depression, even to help
people get out of depression.
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We're going to talk
about that in just a moment.
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What are some other
things that people do in terms
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of self-medication?
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NN: Oh well, chocolate,
you know, is a big one.
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The soda pops, if you
just count the cans of soda pop
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leaving a grocery store.
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Carbohydrates actually
not only taste good but they
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transiently
increase serotonin levels.
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Unfortunately, there's a
nadir, so they drop it below
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neutral afterward.
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JB: Can you
explain serotonin for me?
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NN: Well, serotonin is a brain
chemical that actually elevates
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mood and helps us to
concentrate better, and helps us
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to actually
sleep better as well.
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JB: Which means that if I
get a hit of something that
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increases my serotonin
level, I just feel a whole lot
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better.
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NN: You feel better, yeah.
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And so these people,
by self-medicating, they
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actually do
feel a little better.
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They're altering some
of their brain chemistry.
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But the self-medicated
routes, be it alcohol
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or chocolate or
cocaine or pornography,
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these self-medicated routes
actually produce a greater
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nadir, in other
words, a greater drop,
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the more often we utilize it.
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So first people do it to
try to experience pleasure.
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But afterward they're
not doing it to experience
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pleasure, they're just trying
to do it to get up to neutral.
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And in between times,
even though there's nothing sad
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around them, they feel
sad, as a result of their
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self-medication.
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JB: Depression's a
massive, massive issue.
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I know you've
described it as an epidemic.
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NN: Yeah.
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JB: One in ten Americans
are currently depressed.
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Research suggests that one
in two women may experience
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depression in their life.
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NN: At some point in their life.
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JB: That's just
a dramatic figure.
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Now, God has a way out.
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And I'm going to be speaking
with Dr. Nedley about that
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way out in just a moment.
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JB: I'm with Dr. Neil Nedley
today, president of Nedley
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Health Solutions and the
founder of the Nedley Clinic,
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and the author of the
book called "Depression:
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The Way Out."
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We've been speaking
about depression, it's causes
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and today its cures.
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Dr. Nedley, what's
the way out of depression?
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I don't think this is a
simple, single, pithy answer.
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This might be a
multi-faceted answer.
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But walk us through the journey.
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Obviously, this
is a very brief walk.
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The way out of depression,
where should a person
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be looking?
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NN: Well, first of all
they need to try to find out
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the underlying causes in them.
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And so that's where we
start with the individual.
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We find out, do they have
frontal lobe causes, do they
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have lifestyle
causes, nutritional causes?
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What's going on in their
life in regard to their thought
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process?
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Are there
distorted thoughts there?
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And of course, for the
vast majority of people
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with depression, most
of those are a major issue.
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And so we start
them out on a pathway.
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The first thing we start them
out on is a regular exercise
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program.
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We want them to exercise
ideally 60 minutes a day.
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It can be divided up
into a couple of sessions.
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But regular aerobic exercise
helps depression, and that's
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our first step with them.
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We also, as part of that,
try to get them out into light.
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Light therapy
actually helps depression.
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And if they can't get
into life because of their job
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and it's wintertime, then
they need to get a medical-grade
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light box and actually
experience the simulated blue
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sky light, which is the
best type of wavelength light
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to help with depression.
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JB: We're talking about
a debilitating, disabling
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condition, depression.
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I've asked you the way
out, and the first two things
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you tell me are
exercise and sunlight.
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Now, that's pretty simple.
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NN: It's pretty simple.
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JB: All right.
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I'm not exactly sure
what you're going to say next,
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but I think we're
seeing a pattern here.
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So what would be the
next thing you'd recommend?
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NN: Well, the next thing
we would recommend is getting
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on a regular schedule
with regular sleep/wake times.
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And ideally, early
to bed, early to rise.
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And ideally, up at 6:00 a.m.
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or maybe a little before
and getting that light therapy,
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first thing in the morning.
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That's a crucia role.
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Then next we're going to
deal with the food that you're
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eating.
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We're going to try to get
you on a diet that's higher
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in tryptophan,
higher in tyrosine.
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JB: What's tryptophan?
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NN: Tryptophan is an
amino acid that is turn into
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serotonin in the brain.
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JB: What's the other one?
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NN: Tyrosine is another
amino acid, it's turned into
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norepinephrine and
dopamine in the brain.
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JB: People talk
about brain food.
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Do you believe in it?
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NN: Absolutely.
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JB: So the diet's
going to look like what?
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NN: Well, the diet is
going to be more plant based.
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The plant-based foods tend
to be higher in the natural
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carbohydrates that get
the tryptophan and tyrosine
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into the brain.
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We're also going to be
emphasizing foods higher
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in Omega 3, foods like
spinach and walnut, flax seed,
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chia seeds and almonds.
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Green soybeans.
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JB: I'm going to challenge
you just a little bit here.
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I'm just wondering
if someone's going, eh.
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But hang on a minute.
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What would you do to
come back from depression
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if you were
suffering from depression?
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This doesn't sound like
a terrible cross to have
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to carry, changing
your diet like that.
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NN: Right, well, and actually
the food can be quite tasty.
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JB: Sure, no question.
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NN: In fact, in our
book that you mentioned,
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we have the recipes in there.
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And the people who
come to our program,
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the first day they like it.
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So tasty food can actually
be healthy if we train the cook.
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JB: Absolutely.
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So if you can kind of
eat your way to good health,
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to depression, and I'm
sure it's not just diet.
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This is one thing
of a number of effects.
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But that means that
people are kind of eating
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their way into depression.
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NN: Oh, absolutely.
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Yeah, the fast food industry,
where it's high in fat, high
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in protein, virtually no
carbohydrates, that actually
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is going to lead to
depression in many people.
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I mean, if they
have enough hits.
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Again, nutrition is
just one of ten different hit
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categories.
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JB: And if you have how
many of those hit categories?
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NN: Four.
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Four out of ten.
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JB: Okay, then you're
in danger of developing
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depression.
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NN: Exactly.
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JB: So eating well is a
key to overcoming depression.
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NN: Eating well, a major key.
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JB: What else?
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NN: Another key is, and this
is after we do the nutrition
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and the lifestyle.
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In fact, there's a couple of
other things I should mention
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in that.
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Adequate hydration.
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Just drinking enough water.
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JB: Another very,
very simple thing.
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NN: Right.
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And it's pretty powerful
in regard to what it does
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to brain chemistry.
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JB: Why?
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Why is water so crucial?
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NN: Well, water is crucial
because our neurotransmitters
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actually
communicate with the neurons
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through a fluid medium.
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And if there isn't
enough hydration there,
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the communication system
in the brain gets gummed up,
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essentially, that's kind
of the JB: The layman's term.
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NN: Basic way to describe it.
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So yeah, adequate hydration,
6 to 8 glasses of water a day
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minimum.
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JB: A lot of people
aren't getting that, right?
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NN: That's right.
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JB: How about, well,
I drink plenty of soda,
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isn't that good enough?
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No, that doesn't qualify, right?
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NN: No, actually, none of
those qualify, the studies show.
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All the rest are water
substitutes and are not
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the same.
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JB: So we're not going to be
thinking that some sort of soda
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or caffeinated stuff
is a water substitute.
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NN: Or even dairy, yeah.
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JB: Okay, not even there.
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So it's gotta be water water.
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NN: It's gotta be water.
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And then also an important
element is hydrotherapy.
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In other words, hot
and cold treatments.
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We call that
natural shockwave treatments
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for those who are
severely depressed.
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It actually, in our experience,
works as good as the ECT,
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the shockwave treatments,
without you having to get
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general anesthesia
and seizures and lose your
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memory and things like that.
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And so we describe how
to do that in our materials,
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but that can be a good starter.
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And so we put people on that
part first, and then we lead
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them into analyzing
their distorted thoughts.
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And that's when we
get to some of the crux
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of the matter, so to speak.
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There are 10 commandments
in the Bible, and there are
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10 different ways
of distorted thinking.
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And so we teach the individual,
once they get the spa--
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we call the first
part the spa experience.
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Once they get that
spa experience, then their
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circulation in their brain
is good enough where they can
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start analyzing their
thoughts for distortion.
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Things like overgeneralizing,
like Elijah said, I'm the
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only one who hasn't
bowed the knee to Baal.
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JB: So what you've got
are people who are depressed,
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they're not thinking right.
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You create an environment
where the thoughts are moving
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freer and more healthfully,
and now they can do some
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healthy self-analysis,
look at what the problems
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really are.
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NN: Exactly.
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And that's a very crucial,
that will enhance frontal
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lobe function.
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Just the analysis
itself, of seeing if there
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is a distorted thought and
then correcting that distorted
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thought will actually
enhance frontal lobe activity
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and will help the
individual recover.
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JB: Now, tell me again what's
so important about the frontal
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lobe.
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NN: Well, the frontal lobe
is the seat of spirituality,
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morality and the will.
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The will means
it's our decision maker.
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So it's actually the
area that we make decisions,
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we provide analysis.
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It really gives us the ability
to accomplish advanced planning
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and thinking.
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JB: If you have the lifestyle
practices in your life that
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are messing with your frontal
lobe capacity, you simply
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can't make the decisions.
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NN: Absolutely, yeah.
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It's why depressed people
tend to get more depressed,
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because their
decision-making ability is down.
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So they end up suffering
from those complications.
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JB: Okay, so we got to where
people are analyzing thoughts
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and learning to make
better decisions and so forth.
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NN: Yes, a crucial element.
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And also a crucial
element that helps with that
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is the spiritual part.
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The reading of Proverbs,
for instance, or the listening
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to music like King Saul
was listening to, you know,
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the soft harp music or soft
classical music that can help
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to direct our thoughts
can be helpful and can enhance
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frontal lobe function.
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And so we utilize that.
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We utilize what we call
cognitive behavioral therapy,
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which is the
analysis of the thoughts.
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We utilize the type of music
that's been shown in controlled
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trials to help with
depression recovery.
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Interestingly, it's the
same type of music that a lot
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of hymns are
composed from in the church.
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And then on top of that,
we then provide the spiritual
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material that can also
help enhance frontal lobe
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function.
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JB: And a person goes through
this process and implements
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these changes in their
lives, I've seen people helped
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dramatically by this.
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NN: Absolutely.
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I mean, in just 10 days.
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We run 10-day programs
for treatment-resistant
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depression.
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And when the relatives
come 10 days later, often they
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will break out and cry and
they'll look at us and say,
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"What did you do?"
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I mean, just looking at
them they can tell immediately
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that things are far better
and they can see life return,
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and energy.
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One of the wonderful things
that happens that we document
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in our program, their emotional
intelligence, in just 10 days,
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goes to the top 20
percentile in the nation.
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So they actually have
better emotional intelligence
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than people who've
never been depressed.
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And emotional intelligence
has more to do with their
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future success in
life than any other factor.
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So the sky's the
limit for these people.
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JB: No drugs needed.
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NN: No drugs needed.
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JB: No messy side effects.
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NN: That's right, exactly.
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JB: God's way's always
the right way, isn't it?
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NN: Absolutely.
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JB: God's way is the
right way, and God does have
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a way out.
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What's so important about
this is that depression is so
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debilitating, it complicates
lives on many, many lives,
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and it has a
seriously deleterious effect on
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a person's
relationship with God.
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And we don't want that,
and God doesn't want that
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either.
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I'll be back with a few more
thoughts on this, on depression
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and its cures, with
Dr. Neil Nedley in just
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a moment.
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JB: I'm talking
about depression today with
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Dr. Neil Nedley of the Nedley
Clinic, president of Nedley
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Health Solutions, a man
who has been successfully
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treating people with
depression for many, many years.
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Dr. Nedley,
Christians suffer depression.
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NN: Yes, absolutely they can.
00:19:10.33\00:19:12.83
People from all faiths
can suffer from depression,
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as well as people of no faith.
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JB: Well, why that's
significant is because,
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you know, Christians are
meant to be happy and Christians
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are meant to be full
of joy, and enjoy the Lord
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as your strength.
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Do you find that certain
types of Christians suffer
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depression more or less
than other types of Christians?
00:19:28.40\00:19:30.13
NN: Yeah, this
has been well studied.
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Duke University found that
the denominations that have
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the least rates of depression
are the fundamentalist
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denominations, ones that
believe in the Word of God,
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for instance, and believe
that God has a plan for their
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lives and speaks to
them through his Word.
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That would describe the
fundamentalists, and those
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have less
depression than others.
00:20:01.76\00:20:05.73
JB: Now, depression,
I've found, there's a bit
00:20:05.73\00:20:10.36
of a stigma attached to it.
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I don't know whether
society has stigmatized it,
00:20:12.73\00:20:15.36
or whether people
just feel that way.
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Is that true?
00:20:17.96\00:20:19.06
NN: Well, there is a stigma.
00:20:19.06\00:20:20.06
A lot of people with depression
don't want anyone else to know
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about it.
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They're picking up their
pharmaceuticals and making
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sure no one else knows about
it, etc. It turns out people
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do know about it.
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They think they're hiding it,
but in reality you can't hide
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it when you're working
and your living in families,
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etc. The depression is going
to manifest itself in multiple
00:20:37.60\00:20:41.06
ways.
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But because of that
stigma, they have a reservation
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to really go out and try to seek
treatment, or come to a program
00:20:46.83\00:20:49.83
like a depression recovery
program in their community,
00:20:49.83\00:20:52.76
for fear that
they're going to be seen.
00:20:52.76\00:20:56.06
But what I've noticed is,
when they recover from their
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depression completely, and
that joy returns, they have
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no problem telling people how
depressed they actually were.
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And then the stigma is gone.
00:21:07.33\00:21:09.10
So if you have that stigma,
the best way to take care
00:21:09.10\00:21:12.70
of it is, get the treatment
that's going to cure it,
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and then you don't have to
worry about the stigma, and then
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you can own up to it.
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JB: God has been curing
depression for millennia,
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hasn't he?
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NN: Yes.
00:21:26.36\00:21:27.36
JB: Give me an
example from the Bible.
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NN: Well, Elijah, when he
was depressed, angels came
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and fed him food.
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I think there was some
flax seed in that food.
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That was food to boost the
tryptophan and the tyrosine.
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Exercise was part
of Elijah's program.
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And light therapy,
Elijah, like a lot of depressed
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people, he just wanted to
be in the cave, in the dark.
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And God had to
produce earthquakes and fires
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and, "Get out of
the cave, Elijah,
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you need to be in the light."
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And then he came and
dialogued with him, after he did
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all those things, then he gave
him the cognitive behavioral
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therapy, and asked
him, "What doest thou here?"
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And Elijah began to talk,
and the Lord began to correct
00:22:04.53\00:22:06.70
his distorted thought.
00:22:06.70\00:22:08.60
JB: Interesting.
00:22:08.60\00:22:10.10
NN: Same type of principles
that we utilize today.
00:22:10.10\00:22:13.03
JB: What other factors play
into this many-headed monster
00:22:13.03\00:22:16.93
called depression?
00:22:16.93\00:22:18.13
NN: You know, one of them
that's very characteristic
00:22:18.13\00:22:22.30
is pride.
00:22:22.30\00:22:23.40
It's actually a
magnification of self.
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When people experience
the distorted thought of
00:22:26.93\00:22:29.93
self-inflated pride,
they are setting themselves
00:22:29.93\00:22:34.73
up for wounded pride.
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And then with that wounded
pride they've got the expose
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for depression,
anxiety and other symptoms.
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That's what led to Saul's issue.
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He had the pride, and
when the women sang, "Saul has
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slain his thousands and
David his tens of thousands,"
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it was wounded pride,
and it set him up into
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that whole process.
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And the Lord knows how
to deal with that as well.
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JB: That reminds me of
another story in the Bible,
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the story of Nebuchadnezzar
in the book of Daniel.
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Is this not great
Babylon that I have built?
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And next thing you know he's
out eating grass like an ox.
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NN: Right.
00:23:13.20\00:23:14.20
Well, you know, and
the interesting thing,
00:23:14.20\00:23:15.76
his pride was so severe, he had
been impressed by what the Lord
00:23:15.76\00:23:19.20
was doing multiple
times, but not changed.
00:23:19.20\00:23:22.20
Impressed but not changed.
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And so the Lord had to get
to the root of his problem,
00:23:25.20\00:23:27.86
which was his pride.
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And his pride was so severe
it took more than a 10-day
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program.
00:23:30.90\00:23:32.80
It was a multi-year program,
but it was the same type
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of principles.
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It was a plant-based,
vegetarian diet that
00:23:36.30\00:23:38.96
Nebuchadnezzar was put on.
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There was exercise
that was part of it.
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When you read
Nebuchadnezzar's testimony,
00:23:42.50\00:23:45.00
hydrotherapy was
part of the program.
00:23:45.00\00:23:47.70
The sleep/wake cycles were
there, and then in the end,
00:23:47.70\00:23:50.83
the cognitive
behavioral therapy to get rid
00:23:50.83\00:23:52.50
of the pride.
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JB: So God knows the
way out of depression.
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NN: Absolutely.
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JB: I don't want to
give anybody false hope.
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I don't want to do that.
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Is there a danger that
we could be telling someone,
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there's a way out of
depression for you, when really
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there just isn't?
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NN: No danger.
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Of course, we've dealt
with hundreds and thousands
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of patients, but in our
treatment resistance program,
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the most common complaint
we get from people coming
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is they're thinking they're
going to be the first one who
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does not respond
to the treatments
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and the
modalities that we utilize.
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They think that
nothing is going to help them.
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Their relatives
have made them come.
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But at the end of the
program they find out that they
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respond as well.
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And what I have to tell these
people who think that there's
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no way out for them is, do
you think the biggest expert
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in depression might not
know something about it?
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And if the biggest expert
in depression might not know
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something about it, perhaps
that individual doesn't know
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something about it, and
what they don't know might
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actually help them.
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And so there is a
way out for everyone.
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And if they find the
underlying cause, I have no
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doubt that there's a
solution to bring them out of
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depression.
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JB: Thank you
for joining me today.
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This has been a blessing.
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I just believe that people
are going to get their lives
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back again out of that
vice-like grip of depression,
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liberated, we've seen it
happen in so many lives many,
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many times, liberated to lead
full, productive, joy-filled,
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solid lives,
rejoicing in the Lord.
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NN: Amen.
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JB: Friend, I want that person
to be you if you are suffering
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from depression, or if
you know somebody who is,
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let them know.
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Go to DrNedley.com, get
some good materials, follow
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the plan that we've been talking
about here, because there is
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a cure, there is a way out
of depression, and God wants you
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to experience what
David wrote about when he said
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that in God's presence
there is fullness of joy.
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I want to pray for you.
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Dr. Nedley and I are going
to pray for you now and ask that
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God will bless you and
those you know and love who are
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battling this difficult thing.
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Let us pray.
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Our Father in heaven, we
thank you today for Jesus,
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the Way, the Truth and the Life.
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And I am grateful that he
said that he came to this world
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that we might have
life more abundantly.
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Lord, I pray that you'll
help us all to think healthy
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thoughts, to have minds
that are centered in your Word,
00:26:21.50\00:26:25.53
to be livers of lives that
are grounded, founded, rooted
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in the principles of heaven
that will bring us joy and joy
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everlasting.
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Help us to be glad and grateful
today that there is a God
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who loves us and a
God who has the way out
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of difficulties, just waiting
for us to find and follow.
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We thank you today and we
pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
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JB: In the past two
programs I have been speaking
00:26:51.50\00:26:53.76
with Dr. Neil Nedley on
the subject of depression.
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Our free offer for you this
week is a free DVD produced by
00:26:57.36\00:27:00.66
Dr. Nedley on the
topic of depression.
00:27:00.66\00:27:04.06
If you or someone you love
is struggling with depression
00:27:04.06\00:27:07.06
I encourage you to call us
today and order this free DVD.
00:27:07.06\00:27:11.06
Now please note that
this offer is limited
00:27:11.06\00:27:14.66
to the supply on hand.
00:27:14.66\00:27:16.20
Our toll-free
number is 1-800-253-3000.
00:27:16.20\00:27:19.80
Ask for the
"free depression DVD".
00:27:19.80\00:27:23.56
You could also request
today's offer by writing
00:27:23.56\00:27:26.06
to It is Written, Box O,
Thousand Oaks, California,
00:27:26.06\00:27:29.33
91359.
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Thanks for your letters
and for your continued support.
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JB: Thanks for joining me today.
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You know, it is encouraging
to know that God has very
00:27:36.86\00:27:39.10
real help for us, even in
the midst of our most difficult
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battles.
00:27:42.60\00:27:44.30
For more of my conversation
with Dr. Nedley, please to go
00:27:44.30\00:27:47.66
our website, itiswritten.com.
00:27:47.66\00:27:50.30
There, you'll be able
to watch parts of this
00:27:50.30\00:27:52.46
conversation that we
were not able to include
00:27:52.46\00:27:54.70
in today's program.
00:27:54.70\00:27:56.33
I'll look forward to
seeing you again next time.
00:27:56.33\00:27:58.93
Until then, please remember,
it is written, man shall not
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live by bread alone, but by
every word that proceeds from
00:28:02.56\00:28:06.70
the mouth of God.
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[Music]
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