The Bible says
that people should
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rejoice evermore.
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So what if you're somebody
who suffers from depression,
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as do one in
ten American adults?
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Depression can seriously
impact a person's Christian
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experience, and depression
has been implicated in the
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deaths of very many people.
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I've come to Weimar,
California to speak with Dr.
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Neil Nedley, the president
of Nedley Health Solutions.
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Today, part one of a two-part
series on depression, its
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causes and its cures.
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Thanks for joining me today.
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It has stood the test of time.
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God's book.
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The Bible.
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Still relevant in
today's complex world.
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It is written sharing
hope around the globe.
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Dr. Nedley, thank you
very much for joining me today.
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I'm just so thankful you've
been able to make this time.
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NN: Thanks for
inviting me, John.
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I'm glad to be here.
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JB: Depression.
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Let's start
right at the beginning.
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What is it?
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NN: It is an
epidemic in our society today.
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It's dramatically increasing
and it causes a lot of deep
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sadness.
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That's what most
people equate with depression,
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feelings of deep sadness.
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But, you know, that's not
the only symptom that you get.
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You can actually not have
that symptom, you can just
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have a feeling of
emptiness and have depression.
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JB: Now when you talk about
depression, you know, people,
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PEOPLE have a bad day
and they're not depressed.
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People can be sad and not
be depressed, they can just be
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sad.
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So there's a difference
between being in a funk and
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experiencing what
is technically known as
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depression.
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NN: Yes.
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JB: So how do we
really describe this technical
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depression?
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If someone's depressed,
they're going to exhibit
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what?
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NN: They're going to exhibit
five, at least five of nine
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symptoms for the majority
of the time for the last two
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weeks or more.
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JB: Okay, so there are nine
symptoms that qualify in this
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basket known as depression.
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NN: Correct.
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JB: If you've got five
of them, you're depressed.
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NN: You have depression,
yeah, as long as you have
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those five the
majority of the time.
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So if you're sad for just
one day out of 14, it doesn't
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count.
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But if you're sad the
majority of the last 14 days,
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then that would be
symptom number one right there.
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JB: Okay.
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We're going to talk
about those symptoms in just
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a moment.
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But first let's point
out a couple of things.
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One in 10 Americans
suffer depression, correct?
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NN: Correct.
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Yes, right now
as we're speaking.
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JB: Okay.
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And how does that
break down by gender?
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NN: Well, one of four women
will suffer from it at some
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point in their life.
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One out of eight men.
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So it's twice as common
in women as it is in men.
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And it's actually increasing.
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Those are kind
of old statistics.
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It may be, this newer
generation, it looks like
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it's going to be a one out
of two lifetime risk for girls
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that are growing up
today, suffering from major
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depression.
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JB: One out of two?
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NN: One out of two is
what it's looking like.
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JB: That is an epidemic.
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NN: It is an epidemic, yeah.
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It's dramatically increasing.
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Each successive generation
when we look at it from
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a epidemiological standpoint,
each successive generation
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has had significantly more
depression than the previous
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generation.
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JB: And my understanding
is that, I don't want to
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overstate this, but I'll tell
you what I think and you can
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correct me if you need to.
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The majority of people
who suffer depression aren't
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aware that what
they have is depression.
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NN: That's true.
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Actually, it's been well
documented that about half of
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people with major depression
in the United States alone
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are not diagnosed with it.
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In other words, they haven't
sought help, they haven't
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gone to a caregiver to
find out why they're having the
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symptoms that they're having,
and they just think it's a
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normal part of their
existence for where they're
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at in life.
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But depression is not normal.
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It shouldn't be considered
a normal part of existence.
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JB: So there will be a lot
of people watching us today who
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might be completely
unaware that they suffer from
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depression.
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NN: Yeah, they might learn
something as a result of this
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and might realize that
they're actually suffering
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from it.
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JB: Okay.
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Today we're talking about
depression and its causes,
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and a moment ago we talked
about these nine points, if
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you have five of them for the
majority of the time over two
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weeks, you're depressed.
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NN: Yes.
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JB: What are those?
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Do you have time to talk
about what those five points
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are?
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NN: Sure.
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Yes.
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The first one would be either
a deep sadness or emptiness.
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Men tend to feel the
emptiness, women more of the
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sadness, although
the men can get sad too.
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Women will tend to have
crying spells where something
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they preferred not happen,
happened and they start to
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cry and they say, well,
that wasn't that bad, why am I
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crying?
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And so they'll tend to seek
help a little more than men.
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Men just tend to feel empty
and think that that's normal.
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But either one
qualifies as symptom number one.
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The second is apathy.
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This is where you wake up
in the morning and you're not
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really interested in
the day's activities.
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You get up out of a sense of
responsibility but you're not
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really interested in the day.
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And that is not a normal
symptom to have the majority
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of the time, and so
apathy is distinctly abnormal.
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The third one is agitation.
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This is where you're more
irritable than you used to be
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or you would also qualify
for symptom number three if
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you've had a slowing
of your muscle movement.
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You've just kind of slowed down.
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A lot of people don't
recognize this until they see
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themselves on a video that
they've slowed down, but the
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irritability and the
slowness, that's the one the
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individual may not recognize
themselves, and they'll have
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to ask their spouse, am I
more irritable than I used to
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be?
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The spouse will definitely
tell you, or your friends
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might tell you that as well.
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The fourth is a
lack of concentration.
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This is where you don't
really have the ability to
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sort things through to
make complex decisions and you
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recognize that you're
just not able to do that mental
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task like you used to.
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Another symptom is
sleep disturbances.
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The most common sleep
disturbance in someone with
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depression is
early-morning awakening.
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This is where they go to bed,
they can sleep okay, but then
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they wake up too early
and can't get back to sleep.
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But you would also qualify
for this symptom if you had
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insomnia.
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In other words, you're
not able to go to sleep well.
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Or if you have hypersomnia.
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Many people with depression
suffer from just being sleepy
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all the time.
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We have people who come
to our program who have been
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sleeping 20
hours a day for weeks.
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Severe depression.
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And so that's another symptom.
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Another symptom is
weight or appetite changes.
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The most common is weight gain.
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People tend to self-medicate
themselves with chocolate
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and soda pop and food,
and as a result of this
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self-medicating they tend
to gain weight, but rather
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severe sudden onset
depression often has anorexia
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or weight loss.
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JB: So it can go either way.
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NN: It can go either way, yeah.
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Another symptom is fatigue.
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Now fatigue is
different than apathy.
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Apathy means that you
don't have the interest in the
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day's activities,
fatigue means you just are tired
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and you don't
know why you're tired.
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You run out of energy
and you'd like to have more.
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And that's a very prominent
symptom in the people that
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see me as a physician in
an internal medicine office.
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And then the more
severe symptoms tend to be
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associated with morbid thoughts.
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This is where the individual
has a preoccupation with
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death or symbols of death.
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And so it's not just thinking
about taking your own life,
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although that
would definitely qualify.
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It might be fantasizing
about someone else being dead.
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Or just preoccupation
with death in general.
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And we are seeing that a
lot more commonly today with
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people tattooing
skeletons and symbols of death.
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There's even a new bathing
suit line that my wife showed
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me in a fashion magazine
that just came out where the
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ladies' bathing suits are
all skeletons, and people are
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resonating with this.
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If you resonate with
that, it's a sign that it's a
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morbid thought.
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Not really normal, and if
you have the other symptoms that
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go along with it, it could
be a clear sign that you're
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experiencing depression.
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And companies are
capitalizing on people's
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morbid thoughts by changing
their fashion statements to
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resonate with them.
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JB: Right.
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And if a person has five
of those pretty consistently
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over a two-week period,
that person really might well
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could be clinically depressed.
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NN: Exactly.
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JB: But there is a way out.
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NN: There is.
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JB: Thank God for that.
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NN: Yes.
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JB: And we're going to
talk a little bit more about the
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causes of depression, what
causes this stuff to actually
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take place in just
a couple of moments.
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Depression, serious business.
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The Bible says that we
ought to be full of joy as
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believers in Jesus.
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That's not always
the case for everybody.
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Don't go away, we'll be
back in a moment with more.
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God says "It is written 'Man
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shall not live by bread
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proceeds out of
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JB: Thanks for joining me today.
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I've come to Weimar,
California to speak with Dr.
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Neil Nedley, the president
of Nedley Health Solutions and
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the founder of
the Nedley Clinic.
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Dr. Nedley, you are, in
fact, an internal medicine
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physician.
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NN: Correct.
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JB: But you've become
very interested in and very
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effective at
treating depression.
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NN: Yes.
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JB: So how did
you get from A to B?
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How did that happen?
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NN: Well, it's
kind of interesting.
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When I was a faculty member
at Kettering Medical Center,
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Wright State University,
I used to teach residents.
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And I used to teach
my residents in internal
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medicine that they needed
to learn the common diseases
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well.
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I wanted them to
learn pneumonia as good as a
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pulmonologist.
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I wanted them to learn
congestive heart failure as
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good as a cardiologist,
or gastroesophageal reflux
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disease as good as
a gastroenterologist.
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Why?
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Because they were going to
be seeing these diseases almost
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every day of their life
and they really needed to know
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as much as the expert
does in the common diseases.
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After I finished my teaching
career I set up a practice,
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the Nedley Clinic, you
just mentioned it, in Ardmore,
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Oklahoma, and there was an
article that crossed my desk
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from the Archives of Internal
Medicine showing that up to
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one in three people that
an internist sees is suffering
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from major depression.
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And I thought, well,
that's not true in my patient
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population in Oklahoma.
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But I thought, you know, I
can't just assume that, we'll
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test them.
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So I had them go through
the little screening test,
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the nine-point screening
test that we discussed earlier,
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when they came in and I found
out that it wasn't quite that
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high, it was about one in
four, but then it struck me,
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common disease.
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Do I know this as
good as a psychiatrist?
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And I had to admit that I
didn't and so I started to
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learn at the feet of
preeminent psychiatrists,
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and then I recognized my
need of more study because there
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hadn't been enough research
done on the actual underlying
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causes.
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And as an internist, when
I see swollen feet, I don't
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diagnose swollen-foot
syndrome and send them out
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the door with a diuretic, I
try to find the cause of the
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swollen feet, of which
there can be about 100 different
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causes.
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And so I thought let's try
to find out what are the real
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causes of depression, and
I did some extra research and
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that's how I started to
get very involved in this and
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then started treating my
own patients with results that
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were far better than
what I had ever anticipated.
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JB: I've seen the
results of what you've done.
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Your depression recovery
seminars have been held from
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sea to shining sea
in many, many places.
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I recall seeing the
results of depression recovery
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seminars, no names were
shown, I must point that out,
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and my friend said, this
red line is how depressed people
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were, this green line is how
undepressed they were, or how
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they were at the end.
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And I said to my friend,
who had conducted this Neil
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Nedley Depression Recovery
Seminar, are you fudging the
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results..
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NN: (LAUGHTER) JB:...
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because they were so dramatic.
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Depression is something a
person can come back from.
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NN: Absolutely, absolutely.
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JB: Okay, well, what causes it?
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What are these
underlying causes?
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NN: Well, there are 10
categories of causes that we
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uncovered in our research.
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And there's actually over
100 separate identifiable causes
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for depression, but
they can be categorized in 10
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different ways.
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And you have to have four
of those categories of causes
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before you end up
with depression or anxiety
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disorder.
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But one of them is
frontal lobe causes.
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That's the one
that we deal with first.
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The frontal lobe of the brain
is the front portion of the
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brain.
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It's the analytical
portion of the brain.
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Scientific studies show
it's the seat of spirituality,
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morality and the will.
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It's the reason why we
are spiritual beings and human
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beings worship because our
frontal lobe size is so much
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greater than cats and dogs
that you don't see in worship
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services, because they
can't identify with it.
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But the frontal lobe
circulation when it goes
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down, it is a major
setup for depression or anxiety
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disorders and there's a lot
of different things that can
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fit under the categories of
what can suppress or enhance
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frontal-lobe function.
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JB: I've got to jump
in with "such as" ...
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give me three, four
or five pretty quickly.
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Things that suppress
frontal-lobe functions.
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NN: Well, for instance,
rapid scene of reference,
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entertainment television ...
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JB: Oh, okay.
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NN: ...
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suppresses the
frontal lobe of the brain.
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It can actually set
yourself up for an addiction.
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JB: And most people are
just feasting on that every day.
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NN: Right.
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Certain types of music.
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The syncopated, boom-cha,
rock-and-roll music can
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actually suppress the
frontal lobe of the brain.
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JB: Something else that
masses of population are
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into.
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NN: You know, the interesting
thing about this, John, is a
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lot of the things that I
mention that detract from
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frontal-lobe function people
do to try to get happiness.
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And this is the ironic thing;
there are more fun things to
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do than ever before in human
history, but yet we have more
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depression than ever
before in human history.
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If these fun things actually
prevented or cured depression
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we should see the lowest
rates of depression on the
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planet.
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These rapid-moving video
games can actually suppress
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the frontal lobe of the brain.
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A lot of this screen
time, this entertainment screen
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time that America is
fascinated with, a lot of it
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does suppress
frontal-lobe function.
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And then just when we're
not really exercising the
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spiritual part of our brain,
when we're not involved in
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worship, when we're
not involved in spiritual
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analysis or reading,
like the Bible, and analyzing
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scripture with scripture,
that's going to be a hit as
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well.
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And it's not that necessarily
we have to have the Bible,
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but we need to have some
sort of analysis, some sort of
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abstract analysis that can
help frontal-lobe function.
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JB: Okay.
00:16:07.73\00:16:08.53
NN: So the second area is
exercise, actually, lifestyle
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causes.
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Physical exercise
actually helps the brain.
00:16:14.96\00:16:19.53
Under the
lifestyle causes, sunlight.
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The light and the blue
sky that we're under here at
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Weimar actually
helps depression.
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It improves
serotonin levels in the brain.
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So when we're indoors, not
experiencing outdoor light,
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we're getting a hit with that.
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And then not
regularly breathing fresh air.
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Here at Weimar we've got
these beautiful pine trees
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exuding negative ions, just
breathing that in can help in
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regards to depression.
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The third category
is circadian rhythm.
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This has to do with our
sleep-wake cycle and our
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regularity.
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The more irregular we are
in schedule, the more that is a
00:16:53.76\00:16:56.56
blow to the brain.
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The brain likes a regular
regimented schedule and the
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best circadian rhythm as
far as optimal performance for
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the brain is early
to bed, early to rise.
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You make more melatonin
and it's one of the reasons why
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almost across the board
successful business people
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tend to be early-to-bed,
early-to-rise people.
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Highly successful.
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The only exception to that
is the entertainment industry
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and those individuals,
of course, have much higher
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rates of depression, but
they're late-nighters just
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because of their occupation.
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The fourth category
after circadian rhythm is
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nutrition.
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What we are putting into
our body actually gets turned
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into neurotransmitters.
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And so there's a lot to
nutrition and the brain and a
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lot to the
typical American diet.
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It's short in omega-3,
not high in tryptophan and
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carbohydrates to the degree
to make enough dopamine and
00:17:54.23\00:17:57.13
norepinephrine and serotonin.
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And so we really do a good
nutritional analysis on our
00:17:58.60\00:18:02.43
patients and change that factor.
00:18:02.43\00:18:04.70
Fifth has to do
with addiction hits.
00:18:04.70\00:18:08.46
If you're addicted to any
substance or non-substance,
00:18:08.46\00:18:11.96
be it gambling, pornography,
alcohol, any addiction can
00:18:11.96\00:18:16.30
actually be a
setup for depression.
00:18:16.30\00:18:20.06
Not in and of itself causing
it, but if you have three
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other causes and that,
it's going to tide you over into
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rather severe depression.
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JB: Let's touch on these
remaining two or three or
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four just quickly.
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NN: In regards to our social
situation, it can have a role
00:18:32.86\00:18:36.46
to play.
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In regards to medical
conditions, like thyroid,
00:18:37.56\00:18:41.06
that can have a role to play.
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In regards to genetics, that
can also have a role to play.
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And then there is other
factors that we lump under
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toxins that can
have a role to play.
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JB: Sure.
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Depression is a major issue
affecting masses of people in
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the United States and other
countries around the world.
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Who are getting depressed?
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Who are the people
suffering from depression today?
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Is it the people you
would expect or could it be that
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nice lady living next door?
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And what does the Bible say
about depression and does it
00:19:14.40\00:19:18.30
shine a light on the
lives of depressed individuals?
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Were there people in the
Bible who were depressed?
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We'll have that information
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JB: Dr. Nedley, who fits
the profile of the typical
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depression sufferer?
00:19:51.96\00:19:53.73
NN: Well, you know,
that profile is so broad.
00:19:53.73\00:19:56.76
It really is.
00:19:56.76\00:19:58.16
Very likely your
next door neighbor.
00:19:58.16\00:20:00.16
It's probably
someone you're working with.
00:20:00.16\00:20:02.83
In fact, chances are, not
just chances, it's actually
00:20:02.83\00:20:07.83
basically a 100% chance
that you know someone that has
00:20:07.83\00:20:10.53
depression.
00:20:10.53\00:20:11.73
Any viewer knows someone
that has depression or they have
00:20:11.73\00:20:14.53
depression themselves.
00:20:14.53\00:20:15.73
That's how common it is.
00:20:15.73\00:20:16.50
JB: Speaking stereotypically,
I admit I'm doing this, you
00:20:16.50\00:20:20.16
know, I'm thinking
depression, a kid with black
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clothing and long stringy
hair who mopes around sitting
00:20:22.83\00:20:25.96
in a corner and whatever,
but it could just as well be the
00:20:25.96\00:20:29.06
lady next door in the
business suit who's taking
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the bus to work.
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NN: Exactly.
00:20:32.43\00:20:33.43
Yeah, both of them
could have depression.
00:20:33.43\00:20:35.56
I mean, antidepressants
are the number one selling
00:20:35.56\00:20:37.10
category of drugs today and
they're flying off shelves in
00:20:37.10\00:20:42.76
pharmacies.
00:20:42.76\00:20:43.50
Anyone who works at a
pharmacy sees all sorts of
00:20:43.50\00:20:46.03
people, even professional
people, people with suits and
00:20:46.03\00:20:50.06
ties that appear to have some
level of success taking these
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in order to feel
like they can function.
00:20:54.23\00:20:57.36
JB: Depression even goes so
far as to wreak havoc with a
00:20:57.36\00:21:00.33
person's relationship
with God, doesn't it?
00:21:00.33\00:21:02.13
NN: Oh, absolutely.
00:21:02.13\00:21:03.40
Yeah, I mean, because of what
it does to the frontal lobe,
00:21:03.40\00:21:06.00
the area of spirituality and
morality and the will, it's a
00:21:06.00\00:21:08.50
major threat to
the spiritual part.
00:21:08.50\00:21:11.66
Now that's not saying that
you can't run into depression
00:21:11.66\00:21:13.66
if you're a spiritual person.
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We know from Elijah, Elijah
was a very spiritual person
00:21:18.70\00:21:23.03
and very connected with
God and believed his Word, but
00:21:23.03\00:21:26.83
slipped into very severe
depression for good reasons.
00:21:26.83\00:21:30.53
JB: That's
interesting, isn't it.
00:21:30.53\00:21:32.20
Fervent, committed, faithful
believers in Jesus can suffer
00:21:32.20\00:21:35.46
serious depression.
00:21:35.46\00:21:37.06
NN: Yes, they can.
00:21:37.06\00:21:38.06
JB: And can we say
through no fault of their own?
00:21:38.06\00:21:41.46
What I mean is they're not
bad people, they didn't give
00:21:41.46\00:21:43.76
up on God, they just fell
into some of these situations
00:21:43.76\00:21:46.46
that lead to depression.
00:21:46.46\00:21:47.53
NN: Yeah.
00:21:47.53\00:21:48.80
And they did it
ignorantly, you know.
00:21:48.80\00:21:51.10
In Elijah's situation, he
didn't realize what he was
00:21:51.10\00:21:53.83
doing to lead himself into it.
00:21:53.83\00:21:57.40
JB: We've got other people
in the Bible, too, suffering
00:21:57.40\00:21:58.93
from depression?
00:21:58.93\00:21:59.53
NN: Yeah.
00:21:59.53\00:22:00.23
Saul suffered from
depression and Saul had definite
00:22:00.23\00:22:02.76
reasons.
00:22:02.76\00:22:03.60
Unfortunately he went through
a therapeutic program but he
00:22:03.60\00:22:06.00
never took care of
the underlying distorted
00:22:06.00\00:22:09.50
thoughts.
00:22:09.50\00:22:10.20
That's another characteristic
of virtually every depressed
00:22:10.20\00:22:12.13
individual.
00:22:12.13\00:22:12.90
They have thoughts on the
surface that appear valid,
00:22:12.90\00:22:15.80
but when we actually
delve into them, they are
00:22:15.80\00:22:20.20
irrational, just plain
wrong, and twisted thinking is a
00:22:20.20\00:22:23.80
major cause of suffering.
00:22:23.80\00:22:25.60
And that was true with Saul,
it was true with Elijah, he
00:22:25.60\00:22:28.10
had twisted thinking.
00:22:28.10\00:22:29.30
It was true with Solomon.
00:22:29.30\00:22:30.90
JB: Tell me about Solomon.
00:22:30.90\00:22:32.00
NN: Well, Solomon tried
to do everything that would
00:22:32.00\00:22:35.40
experience
pleasure and make him happy.
00:22:35.40\00:22:38.10
So he tried alcohol, he tried
opium, he tried pornography,
00:22:38.10\00:22:42.60
had live pornography.
00:22:42.60\00:22:44.10
In fact, he said, anything
that anyone else was doing
00:22:44.10\00:22:47.30
where it looked like they
were having fun he wanted to
00:22:47.30\00:22:49.13
do it.
00:22:49.13\00:22:50.30
And he said, therefore he
hated life and it brought him
00:22:50.30\00:22:52.63
to despair.
00:22:52.63\00:22:53.90
And so he got into
the culture of today.
00:22:53.90\00:22:57.20
One of the reasons why we
have so much depression and
00:22:57.20\00:22:59.80
that's why he wrote the
book Ecclesiastes was to warn
00:22:59.80\00:23:01.56
young people to not go where
he went, because it's going
00:23:01.56\00:23:05.16
to lead to problems.
00:23:05.16\00:23:06.26
JB: Strange isn't it?
00:23:06.26\00:23:07.10
You mentioned this before.
00:23:07.10\00:23:08.46
So much in the world that
offers us fun and a thrill
00:23:08.46\00:23:11.83
and a good time and
distractions, and yet we're
00:23:11.83\00:23:14.60
more depressed
than we've ever been.
00:23:14.60\00:23:16.50
What?
00:23:16.50\00:23:17.03
Is it true?
00:23:17.03\00:23:17.70
Are we more
depressed than we've ever been?
00:23:17.70\00:23:19.30
NN: Absolutely.
00:23:19.30\00:23:20.10
More depressed
than we've ever been.
00:23:20.10\00:23:21.76
JB: God has a way out, yes?
00:23:21.76\00:23:22.70
NN: Absolutely.
00:23:22.70\00:23:24.30
JB: Okay.
00:23:24.30\00:23:24.86
Tell me a little bit
about what the Bible says God's
00:23:24.86\00:23:28.36
willing to do in a person's
life to bring him back to
00:23:28.36\00:23:30.60
where he wants him to be?
00:23:30.60\00:23:31.93
NN: Well, he is willing
to change disappointment into
00:23:31.93\00:23:34.86
appointment.
00:23:34.86\00:23:36.16
And there are
steps to get there.
00:23:36.16\00:23:38.20
JB: Okay, now ...
00:23:38.20\00:23:38.96
sorry, I'm jumping in here.
00:23:38.96\00:23:40.13
In your Depression Recovery
Seminar you use that very
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phrase.
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NN: Absolutely.
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JB: Tell me about that.
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NN: From
disappointment to appointment.
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And we actually study, in
order to get the frontal lobe
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going, we study
the book of Daniel.
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Daniel's revered by the
Jews, revered by the Muslims,
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revered by Christians.
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Even secular individuals.
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Isaac Newton was very
interested in Daniel, and
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every story, every chapter
in Daniel starts out with a
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disappointment,
ends with an appointment.
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And there's a spiritual
key that transforms it from one
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to the other.
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And that's part of the
therapeutic program that we
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put people on.
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JB: How important do you
think the Bible itself plays,
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how important a role does
it play bringing people out of
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depression into the
place God wants them to be?
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NN: Well I think it plays a
very important role, because
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of that spiritual nature
that we have in the frontal lobe
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of the brain.
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And so it plays a crucial role.
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Yes, you can get rid of
depression without it, but
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you can also get rid of
depression far faster and
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also far more comprehensively
when we have that spiritual
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part intact, because that
also gives us the ability,
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the power to be able to do
things that we don't want to
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do now.
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We may not want to
go out and exercise.
00:24:54.96\00:24:57.13
We may not want to eat
foods that are high in omega-3.
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We may not want to
get the light therapy.
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Depressed people tend to
not be very motivated people.
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But when that spiritual part
is there, the motivation can
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come and they can start
making significant changes in
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their life for the better.
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JB: Now, we talked about
some of the things that cause
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depression and we talked
about some of those danger
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areas that you
identified several of them.
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What should a person do who
feels that he or she might be
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dealing with depression?
00:25:25.93\00:25:27.23
NN: Well I would recommend
that they maybe go to our
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website, take the test.
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We have a little test online
that can tell them if they
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have depression, anxiety,
and it can also tell them which
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one of those 10 categories
of hits or multiple hits are
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active in them, and then
get the resources and get on the
00:25:40.13\00:25:44.13
program that will reverse it.
00:25:44.13\00:25:46.20
JB: www.drnedley.com Dr.
00:25:46.20\00:25:48.03
Nedley, thanks
for joining me today.
00:25:48.03\00:25:49.80
NN: Oh, it's been great.
00:25:49.80\00:25:51.20
JB: Friends, thank
you for joining me, too.
00:25:51.20\00:25:53.40
Depression is a serious,
serious issue and it's so
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serious that it can even
get in between a person and God.
00:25:55.23\00:25:58.70
I don't want that going on
in your life and if you know
00:25:58.70\00:26:00.63
somebody else who is at risk
for that, then now you've got
00:26:00.63\00:26:03.76
tools to help that person
get to the place that God wants
00:26:03.76\00:26:06.56
them to be, depression
free and healthy and thriving in
00:26:06.56\00:26:10.26
the Lord.
00:26:10.26\00:26:11.96
Dr. Nedley, let's pray
together and pray for the
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many people, not only
suffering depression, but who
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are able to go and be
agents of change in the life of
00:26:16.66\00:26:19.36
other people.
00:26:19.36\00:26:20.23
Let's pray.
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Our Father in heaven, I
thank you that in your presence
00:26:21.66\00:26:25.13
there is fullness of joy.
00:26:25.13\00:26:27.66
But owing to a variety of
factors there are many people
00:26:27.66\00:26:29.93
who are not there and
depression is holding them
00:26:29.93\00:26:33.06
down.
00:26:33.06\00:26:34.26
Dear Lord, I pray that
you would break those bonds
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and set people free.
00:26:37.80\00:26:39.76
Free to find joy and
hope and wholeness in Jesus.
00:26:39.76\00:26:44.90
We pray in Jesus' name, Amen.
00:26:44.90\00:26:47.16
NN: Amen.
00:26:47.16\00:26:49.16
JB: In the past two
programs I have been speaking
00:26:50.96\00:26:52.90
with Dr. Neil Nedley on
the subject of depression.
00:26:52.90\00:26:55.90
Our free offer for you this
week is a free DVD produced by
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Dr. Nedley on the
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If you or someone you love
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00:27:03.23\00:27:05.50
I encourage you to call us
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Thanks for your letters
and for your continued support.
00:27:29.86\00:27:33.70
David wrote that in God's
presence there is fullness
00:27:33.70\00:27:39.96
of joy and there is no
question God wants you and me
00:27:39.96\00:27:43.63
to experience his joy today.
00:27:43.63\00:27:46.73
Thanks for joining me today.
00:27:46.73\00:27:47.93
Please do join me next
time for part 2 of my discussion
00:27:47.93\00:27:51.56
with Dr. Nedley on
this important subject
00:27:51.56\00:27:54.03
of depression.
00:27:54.03\00:27:55.93
Until then, please remember,
"Man shall not live by bread
00:27:55.93\00:28:02.00
alone but by every word
that proceeds from the mouth
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of God."
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