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JB: Thanks for joining
me today. I'm John Bradshaw
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and this is It Is Written.
You know, it is said that you
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are what you eat; but if
you survey the population as a
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whole, you find out that a
whole lot of people are ...
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sick, and could it be that many
people are sick today because
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they are what they eat.
Now, why does this even matter
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on a Bible discussion
program such as It Is Written?
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Well, I'll tell you why.
Jesus said He came into this
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world so that we might have
life and that we might live it
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more abundantly.
But in the midst of
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an obesity
epidemic, an increasing--
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radically
increasing-- incidence of things
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such as diabetes and
other lifestyle illnesses,
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it doesn't look like a
lot of people are enjoying
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a more abundant
life, but instead
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a less abundant life.
Let's see if we can get to the
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bottom of this today and
find out how we can enjoy
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the more abundant life
that Jesus offers to us.
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I'm being joined today by
my guest, Dr. David DeRose,
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a specialist in the
areas of internal medicine
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and preventive medicine.
We'll talk about that today,
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big-time. Dr.
DeRose comes to us from
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Compass Health Consulting
in Northern California.
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Thanks for
joining me today, David.
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I'm glad you're here. DD:
It's great to be with you,
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John. JB: So it's true,
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you are what you eat.
Yeah, you've got to be careful
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but what we eat
impacts us in a massive way.
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DD: Literally,
we are what we eat.
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The elements that make
up our bodies are those very
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things that we ingested--
or that our mother ingested.
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JB: Somebody mentioned this to
me recently, and I think a lot
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of people are
really surprised by this.
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Your blood is
made from what you eat;
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what you put into your
body. What you put in actually,
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literally, physically
becomes part of who you are.
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Correct or not?
DD: That's right.
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It's not just your
blood, it's every single cell
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of your body. I
mean, those are the raw
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materials that make up
the body. They have to come
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from somewhere.
They don't just come
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out of the air, although oxygen,
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of course, does. But
we actually need to eat
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in order to make
every cell in our body.
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JB: So, as cells are
being regenerated, rejuvenated,
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repaired, it all comes back
to the fact they are being made
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from-- what we are is being
made from-- what we put in.
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DD: That's right. And
some of those cells are
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turning over very
rapidly. You mentioned
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the red blood cells. They
turn over about every three
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months, about a hundred-day
lifespan for the red blood cell.
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And although some things
are recycled-- like the iron
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in the red blood cell,
that's largely recycled--
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but other things we need
to ingest in order to make
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those new cellular components.
JB: You know, it seems to me,
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if we are being regenerated at
a cellular level by the things
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that we put into our bodies,
wouldn't just knowing that make
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you stop and say, well, I need
to be putting in good stuff to
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make good cells or red
blood cells or whatever.
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DD: One of my
favorite texts when we speak
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about this topic actually
is in the book of Genesis.
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JB: All right. DD:
Because there God is
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creating a perfect
world. And in Genesis 1--
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JB: Right at the beginning.
DD: That's right, right at the
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beginning. First
chapter of the Bible, you
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go down to verse 29 and you see
that God has a specific plan,
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as far as our
nutritional program. God said,
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"See, I have given you
every herb that yields seed
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which is on the face of
all the earth and every tree
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whose fruit yields seed,
to you it shall be for food."
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God is giving mankind,
humankind, a vegetarian diet
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in the very beginning.
And what we find today, John,
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is the optimal diet to avoid
most of these chronic diseases
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that we're talking
about is a diet that focuses
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on those whole plant foods.
JB: Okay, but also, later on,
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God said, "Take
the Passover lamb"--
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DD: No question. JB:
And then made out of kale
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and all of that--
DD: You've got it.
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JB: Well, they eat
grass. DD: That's right.
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JB: Take the
Passover lamb and eat that.
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That's not a-- it may have been
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a vegetarian
lamb, but people who
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eat lambs aren't
vegetarians. So, what was God
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doing back here. Eat
these things that don't have
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mothers or faces; and over
here, go ahead and eat meat.
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DD: And you could even
take that a step further.
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When Jesus fed the multitude,
He didn't just give them bread,
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which is a vegetarian
product. He gave them--
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JB: Bread and
fish. DD: That's right.
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JB: So, are we
seeing a contradiction here?
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DD: What I find
so interesting, John.
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It's an excellent
question. God meets people
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where they're at. God's
first concern-- as I read
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the Bible as both a physician
and as a Bible student--
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His first concern has always
been our spiritual health and
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our relationship with Him.
But you see this theme running
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throughout the Bible.
When God wants to give people
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an optimal diet, whether it's in
Genesis or in their wilderness
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wanderings, God does not
give them animal products.
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There was no raining of quail
until the people demanded it,
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if you will. JB:
And then when they ate
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the quail, they
became sick from eating it.
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DD: Yeah, at least
the second time around.
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JB: So in the wilderness,
God gave them a type of food
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that matched up with what
we find in Genesis chapter 1.
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DD: Exactly. So,
here's the interesting
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thing, though. Let's
talk about some of the
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things we want to avoid today,
and it really brings out this
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dialogue. The
lamb of Jesus' day;
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the fish of Jesus' day.
They didn't have one of the big
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problems that we're dealing
with today, and that is an
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accumulation of
toxins in their tissues.
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Today, a huge issue is
our contaminated environment.
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And some of the things that are
contaminating our environment
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are heavy metals.
Things like mercury or cadmium.
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Things like
toxins. Toxins like DDT,
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and it's
metabolized. You say, "Well,
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we don't use that
anymore." But it's still
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in the environment.
Lead-- still in the environment.
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What happens is, if you look at
living creatures, the higher up
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you move on the food chain,
the greater the concentration
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of those toxins.
Roughly speaking,
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about a tenfold
increase, every level you go up.
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You take the phytoplankton,
living in the water.
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Those waters are contaminated.
They have a concentration
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of a toxin in their tissue.
Then you look at the small fish
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that eat the phytoplankton.
Roughly about 10 times as much
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of that toxin will be in
their tissue, gram for gram.
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You go to the bigger fish
that eats the smaller fish.
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Now you've got a hundred times
what was in that phytoplankton.
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When you get up to things
very high on the food chain,
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like the birds of prey, you can
understand why the California
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condor was dying out, before
we started to get serious about
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controlling the environment.
It doesn't mean all the toxins
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are gone, but the point is,
those foods that in Jesus' day,
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we would say
would be good sources.
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People living on the
shores of the Sea of Galilee.
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Jesus wouldn't reasonably
say you can't have fish;
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that was a staple in their diet.
But a much healthier choice
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back then than it is today.
JB: It's true that you are what
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you eat, and you want to
live a long, happy, abundant,
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healthy life. The
longer and healthier you can
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live, the better
quality of life you can have,
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on balance, and the
more you can glorify God.
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So, if you are what you
eat, what are you eating?
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We'll find out more
with Dr. David DeRose
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in just a moment.
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JB: I was eating the other day,
as you do, when it occurred to
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me again that I'd have to eat
again in just five hours or so.
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We eat, and then we
have to eat some more.
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We're dependent on
that food, that fuel.
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God didn't have to design us
that way, but it seems He might
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have done so to try to
get us to remember something.
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Just as you are dependent on
constant, regular nourishment to
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get through life, you're
dependent on the grace of God
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to get you through each day.
We ought to be leaning on God
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and feeding on His
Word for spiritual strength,
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just as we feed on
food for physical strength.
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Some of us are guilty of eating
a little too much and guilty
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of feeding on the
Bible a little too little.
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In John 6, verse 48, Jesus
said, "I am the bread of life."
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I want to encourage
you today to eat well.
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I'm John Bradshaw
for It Is Written.
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Let's live today by every word.
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JB: This is It Is
Written. I'm John Bradshaw.
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Thank you for joining me today.
And we are being joined by
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Dr. David DeRose from
Compass Health Consultants
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in Northern California.
Dr. DeRose, today we're talking
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about what people
eat. That old saying,
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you are what you
eat. And a moment ago,
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we were starting to talk
about foods that are a little
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higher up the food
chain. The higher up you go, the
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greater the concentration of
toxins, and perhaps poisons and
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heavy metals in those
foods. The bigger foods,
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more than the smaller. In
the beginning God gave the
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human family, without
a doubt, a vegetarian,
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a plant-based diet. Then
later He said, well, okay,
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you certainly may eat
some of this or some of that.
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He never did say
you'll be better for it.
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And you notice too, that when
animals entered the menu was
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at the same time that people
started living dramatically
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shorter lives.
DD: Very interesting.
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Very interesting. JB: Yeah.
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Clean and unclean food.
It's certainly biblical,
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but is it valid today
and is it just for the Jews?
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DD: Well, first of all,
the distinction of clean
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and unclean animals and
today's ever being a Jew.
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If you read the account of
the flood, that great deluge,
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Noah was instructed about the
animals, and there were clean
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and unclean that were
identified in that account.
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So it's not something that
God added just for the benefit
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of the Jews. JB: In
Genesis 7, in verse 2,
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"Of every clean beast thou
shalt take to thee by sevens,
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the male and the female,
and of the beasts that are
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not clean by two,
the male and his female."
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God identifying clean and
unclean animals before there was
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even a Jew on the
planet. DD: And many have said,
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"Well, why?" Well,
we see there's sacrifice
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after the flood, but there was
also going to be apparently a
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necessity to eat some of those
animals after all the vegetation
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was essentially
wiped off the earth.
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JB: And if you ate
one of the unclean,
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you'd go from two to one.
The species would be gone.
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DD: And so the very point
about how many were taken on was
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making a powerful, powerful
statement about what were
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sacrificial and potentially
permissible animals to eat--
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only those that were clean.
JB: Is there health benefits to
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abstaining from these
animals that are called unclean?
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DD: No question. Now,
you've identified some
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animals, like the
horse and the rabbit,
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that are largely vegetarian.
So they'd be lower on the food
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chain, if you will. But
many of the animals that
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are excluded-- you read
a description, for example,
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in Leviticus 11 of what
those unclean animals are--
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and you'll find the
scavengers, like you mentioned.
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The pigs, the
crustacea of the ocean.
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You'll also find things that
are very high on the food chain,
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like the birds of
prey. All of those things
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were off limits. We know today,
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the technical term is
called "biomagnification."
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What that means is, like we were
expressing earlier in the show,
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if you eat things that are low
on the food chain-- those small,
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little fish-- they're going
to have low levels of toxins
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and contaminants. As
you move up the level,
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you will get higher and
higher levels of toxins.
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JB: When you think about
something like a shellfish,
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you can say, well, if God
didn't intend for us to eat it,
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why did He make
it? And the shellfish
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is a classic example.
They've shown this in places
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such as the Chesapeake Bay.
When you introduce shellfish,
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they filter the water.
They take out the toxins and
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return the good water
back into the ecosystem.
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So, thank God that we have them,
but imagine when you're eating
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that, you're
eating all those toxins.
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DD: And this brings up a whole
other point: many transmittable
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diseases are traced
to these unclean foods.
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You mentioned pork earlier;
you mentioned shellfish.
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Pork is a classic example.
Our Centers for Disease Control
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in the United States
speak about neglected parasitic
00:13:01.98\00:13:05.18
diseases that are
not on the radar screen.
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One of them is
cysticercosis. It actually comes
00:13:07.38\00:13:11.19
from the pork
tapeworm. And this can cause
00:13:11.19\00:13:14.59
serious illness.
It's actually-- John,
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this may be surprising to
you-- one of the leading causes,
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if not the leading
cause, of epilepsy worldwide,
00:13:20.53\00:13:24.60
is from the pork
tapeworm. Something called
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neurocysticercosis.
Cysts that actually invade the
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brain and are a leading
cause of seizure worldwide.
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As I read through the Bible,
I find it fascinating that when
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Jesus was
resurrected, in Luke 24,
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we read those stories of Jesus'
encounter with the disciples.
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Or on the Emmaus Road.
Jesus points them back to the
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Old Testament. Many
of my Christian friends
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think the Old Testament
is a book that's just to be
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set aside. Jesus
wanted their faith
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anchored in the Old Testament.
Now, he was especially
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referring to the
prophecies that spoke of Him.
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But what's interesting to me as
a physician is-- I don't know of
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any example where God gave a
ceremonial law that didn't have
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some significant health
connections that persist today.
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Well, we're speaking about these
so-called ceremonial health
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laws. In other words,
00:14:16.55\00:14:18.25
God didn't tell them to
avoid unclean foods just
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to each some spiritual
lesson; there was sound health
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information there.
We could talk about
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circumcision, or how the
Jews were able to be clean after
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contact with death.
All of these things have
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valid health principles.
But you don't have to sacrifice
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a red heifer today.
Do you see my point?
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JB: Absolutely, but bring them
back to this, because someone's
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saying, "Oh, look, this is well
and good, but those guys are off
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base, because that was just a
ceremony, and when Jesus died,
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none of that mattered anymore."
DD: Let me go to this example.
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Maybe we should
turn in our Bibles to it.
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I'm turning to
the book of Numbers.
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It's a fascinating example.
I'm going to Numbers chapter 19,
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and in Numbers 19 we read
these laws of purification.
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This is the "red
heifer sacrifice."
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Any Christian who's studied this
realizes that the red heifer was
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symbolizing Jesus.
He was the sinless one
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who was killed outside the camp.
Today, you and I, as Christians,
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don't need to
sacrifice a red heifer.
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Jesus IS our
all-sufficient sacrifice.
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JB: Right. DD: But
if you read through
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Numbers 19, you find that
embedded in that red heifer
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sacrifice and its aftermath
were restrictions and laws for
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scrupulous cleanliness
after contact with death.
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Because the Christian world
set that aside for decades and
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centuries, we had in the
1800s, in Europe, for example,
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epidemics of childbirth fever.
Ignaz Semmelweis, the famous
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Austrian physician who brought
this to the fore, he realized
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that women were dying.
One in six women or more were
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dying in childbirth, in the
main hospital there in Vienna,
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because doctors would examine
the dead women and then they'd
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go and examine the living women.
They were transmitting disease.
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If they'd followed the
principles of Numbers 19,
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this would never have happened.
JB: Important principles
00:16:19.94\00:16:22.98
because, after all,
you are what you eat.
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And, if we made simple, small
changes in the area of what we
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eat, we would see big results
in our physical health and
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certainly in our
spiritual health as well.
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Now, in just a moment, I'm
going to tell you what this is.
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And you will be
amazed, when you discover
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just what you're eating.
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Back with more, straight ahead.
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JB: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Written.
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You know that it is said so
often that you are what you eat,
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and if that's the case, then
we are sick because we're eating
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food that makes us
sick. Dr. David DeRose
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is joining me today. I
want to ask you, Dr. DeRose,
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where are the problems?
What are the problem areas
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in what we eat? DD:
Well, if we want to speak
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physiologically, one
of the big ones is fat.
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And the reason I say
physiologically is your cell
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membrane is made up of
fat, among other things.
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The type of fat you
eat will affect how fluid
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that membrane is. You say, well,
00:19:01.54\00:19:03.14
what difference does that make?
It's because the cell membrane
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is where the action
takes place. In your brain,
00:19:06.17\00:19:09.78
the neurotransmitters,
the brain chemicals,
00:19:09.78\00:19:12.48
interact with other
membranes. What happens is,
00:19:12.48\00:19:16.92
if you're eating more
of the saturated fats,
00:19:16.92\00:19:19.65
more of the trans fats,
these two categories of fats,
00:19:19.65\00:19:23.89
they make the cell membranes
more rigid and make nerve
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transmission more difficult.
They make insulin signaling
00:19:27.30\00:19:30.77
worse, and so they lay
the foundation for diabetes.
00:19:30.77\00:19:34.34
So it's not just a
question of amount of fat,
00:19:34.34\00:19:36.84
but what kind of fat.
Those saturated fats primarily
00:19:36.84\00:19:39.94
in animal products;
trans fats in those partially
00:19:39.94\00:19:42.98
hydrogenated vegetable
oils. JB: Good fats, avocado;
00:19:42.98\00:19:46.21
good fats in nuts.
Those are good fats, right?
00:19:46.21\00:19:48.45
DD: Very interesting.
Back in the '90s, people were
00:19:48.45\00:19:51.65
lumping all these
together. They were saying nuts
00:19:51.65\00:19:54.42
were bad for you. At
least many people in the
00:19:54.42\00:19:56.16
preventive medicine community.
But then in the '90s is when
00:19:56.16\00:20:00.66
researchers at Loma Linda
University came out with some of
00:20:00.66\00:20:03.16
the early studies
showing that nuts had powerful,
00:20:03.16\00:20:06.84
heart-preventive properties,
and that started to swing the
00:20:06.84\00:20:10.37
pendulum in the other
direction. JB: But the bad fats
00:20:10.37\00:20:12.21
are no good. I want
to show you something
00:20:12.21\00:20:13.71
when it comes to fat.
Each time you eat that
00:20:13.71\00:20:16.98
well-known burger from
that well-known burger chain,
00:20:16.98\00:20:20.35
you're getting that much
fat. Dr. DeRose, what does
00:20:20.35\00:20:23.18
the body do with this much
fat? DD: That's saturated fat,
00:20:23.18\00:20:26.86
largely
saturated. That animal fat.
00:20:26.86\00:20:29.12
JB: Right. DD: What happens is,
00:20:29.12\00:20:30.53
first of all the blood
becomes what we call lipemic.
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When you eat that fat, it
goes into the blood stream
00:20:32.69\00:20:35.66
and that actually affects
the fluidity of the blood.
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But then it has that
impact, that long-term impact,
00:20:38.80\00:20:41.80
on the cell membranes,
and actually it's setting
00:20:41.80\00:20:44.61
the stage for many
of the diseases that we
00:20:44.61\00:20:46.98
experience today.
JB: But this is how much
00:20:46.98\00:20:48.88
fat there is in a candy
bar. Take a look at this,
00:20:48.88\00:20:50.98
typical candy bar. A small one.
00:20:50.98\00:20:53.21
And this is how much
fat there is in a reasonably
00:20:53.21\00:20:56.55
small bag of potato
chips. DD: We've cultivated,
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as a society, a desire
for higher saturated fat.
00:20:59.82\00:21:04.56
Higher sugar. Higher salt.
00:21:04.56\00:21:06.80
With the
research shows us though--
00:21:06.80\00:21:08.63
let's talk about
fat-- as you get away from
00:21:08.63\00:21:11.00
that high fat
consumption, your tastes change.
00:21:11.00\00:21:15.17
Big study, interventional
study in women with cancer.
00:21:15.17\00:21:18.34
Breast cancer.
Decreasing their fat
00:21:18.34\00:21:20.71
consumption-- when they did the
pilot study, over the course of
00:21:20.71\00:21:22.81
the year, they found the women
that cut their fat dramatically,
00:21:22.81\00:21:26.41
they tended to develop a
distaste for the high fat foods
00:21:26.41\00:21:31.22
that they used to enjoy.
JB: And this is how much sugar
00:21:31.22\00:21:33.76
there is, in a can of soda. Ah!
00:21:33.76\00:21:37.16
Stop and think. I
mean, I wouldn't take
00:21:37.16\00:21:40.03
the top off this and chug
this much raw sugar, ever.
00:21:40.03\00:21:43.53
You just
wouldn't do it. But you do
00:21:43.53\00:21:45.50
when you buy a can of soda
and pour that down your throat.
00:21:45.50\00:21:48.00
DD: And the data really suggests
this is one of the things,
00:21:48.00\00:21:50.81
the sugar-sweetened beverages,
that are fueling the epidemic
00:21:50.81\00:21:54.64
of obesity our country, John.
JB: This is how much there is in
00:21:54.64\00:21:57.41
a cup of ice cream.
That's a lot of sugar.
00:21:57.41\00:21:59.21
DD: And you add the fat to
that equation, in those foods.
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And many of those same foods
that are high in fat and high in
00:22:01.98\00:22:04.32
sugar often are high in
salt. Did you know, for example,
00:22:04.32\00:22:07.59
that you can put a lot
more salt in a food if it's got
00:22:07.59\00:22:10.39
a lot of sugar in it,
and not even taste salty?
00:22:10.39\00:22:13.03
JB: Okay, you'd better go
off the ice cream and onto the
00:22:13.03\00:22:15.90
brownies, because, whereas this
was as much sugar in a cup of
00:22:15.90\00:22:20.84
ice cream, the one on
this end here is as much sugar
00:22:20.84\00:22:24.04
as there is in a brownie.
A two-inch-square brownie.
00:22:24.04\00:22:27.08
DD: And who sticks with
a two-inch-square brownie?
00:22:27.08\00:22:29.44
JB: Oh, no, it's not good
until you've had two or three.
00:22:29.44\00:22:31.81
And when it comes to sugars, you
can find in some food products
00:22:31.81\00:22:34.92
2-3-4-5 different sugars, right?
There'll be sugar, corn syrup,
00:22:34.92\00:22:38.52
high fructose corn syrup,
any number of other sweeteners
00:22:38.52\00:22:42.09
that are in one food item.
DD: And the reason why some
00:22:42.09\00:22:44.83
manufacturers apparently do this
is you have to list ingredients
00:22:44.83\00:22:48.86
in order of their
prevalence in the product.
00:22:48.86\00:22:51.77
So, even though sugar in
its various forms may be the
00:22:51.77\00:22:56.40
top ingredient, if you put five
different sweeteners in there,
00:22:56.40\00:23:00.14
you may be able to put the whole
wheat first, even though it's
00:23:00.14\00:23:02.88
only 10 percent whole
wheat and 40 percent sugar.
00:23:02.88\00:23:05.65
JB: Now, are there any sugars
that are really pretty good
00:23:05.65\00:23:07.62
for you? Because
there's debates about
00:23:07.62\00:23:09.72
high fructose corn syrup, and
you read "cane sugar" or "dried
00:23:09.72\00:23:15.52
cane sugar" or whatever.
Can I look at that and go, oh,
00:23:15.52\00:23:18.23
it's got that
sugar; that's good for me?
00:23:18.23\00:23:19.83
DD: The sweet things we
were designed to enjoy are the
00:23:19.83\00:23:22.50
fruits, the sweet vegetables,
things of this nature.
00:23:22.50\00:23:25.80
If you're getting
those whole foods in nature,
00:23:25.80\00:23:28.70
you can have those
things satisfy the sweet tooth.
00:23:28.70\00:23:31.84
No, it's not going to taste
like the brownie or the ice
00:23:31.84\00:23:33.54
cream-- not at first.
But if you stick with eating
00:23:33.54\00:23:36.08
those healthy sweets that
God provided, in Genesis 1,
00:23:36.08\00:23:40.65
you will find a distaste
tends to develop for those
00:23:40.65\00:23:44.22
artificially sweetened things.
Whether it's "natural sugar"
00:23:44.22\00:23:47.96
that's being used to sweeten
it or some artificial sweetener.
00:23:47.96\00:23:51.53
JB: Man, if you get some of
those good dates, those medjool
00:23:51.53\00:23:54.60
dates they grow in
Indio, California, around there.
00:23:54.60\00:23:58.37
Oh, they're
sweet and they're good.
00:23:58.37\00:24:01.27
DD: In moderation, of
course. JB: In moderation.
00:24:01.27\00:24:03.87
Some Americans are
eating this much salt.
00:24:03.87\00:24:07.81
Two and a half
teaspoons of salt in a day.
00:24:07.81\00:24:10.18
Many. It is
said that the average
00:24:10.18\00:24:13.35
American is consuming
maybe about this much.
00:24:13.35\00:24:16.69
Maybe about this much.
DD: One and a half teaspoons.
00:24:16.69\00:24:19.82
JB: Whereas, what we should be
consuming is merely this much.
00:24:19.82\00:24:25.56
A teaspoon of salt
a day, and no more.
00:24:25.56\00:24:28.53
DD: No. And
actually, although people
00:24:28.53\00:24:30.80
have tried to downplay the
relationship between salt and
00:24:30.80\00:24:33.60
disease, a major study in the
New England Journal of Medicine
00:24:33.60\00:24:36.71
back in 2010 actually looked
at all the data, and how many
00:24:36.71\00:24:40.64
people in America are
dying because of just having a
00:24:40.64\00:24:44.41
half-teaspoon
of salt more a day.
00:24:44.41\00:24:47.78
In other words, if we
were to decrease-- all of us,
00:24:47.78\00:24:49.98
across the board--
decrease our sodium
00:24:49.98\00:24:52.12
consumption, salt consumption,
by just half a teaspoon,
00:24:52.12\00:24:55.92
we would save tens of thousands
of lives from things like
00:24:55.92\00:24:58.99
stroke and heart attack.
JB: From a biblical point of
00:24:58.99\00:25:01.63
view, why we're driving at this
is because Jesus wants us to
00:25:01.63\00:25:03.87
have a more abundant
life. And you say to yourself,
00:25:03.87\00:25:06.87
well, yeah, I'm
drinking three sodas a day.
00:25:06.87\00:25:10.14
And I know people who carry
around the Big Gulp things.
00:25:10.14\00:25:14.41
They carry them with
them, everywhere they go.
00:25:14.41\00:25:16.28
I don't know how
much they're getting--
00:25:16.28\00:25:17.78
it's got to be killing them.
Or you say, well, yeah, I'm
00:25:17.78\00:25:20.48
eating lots of ice cream and all
of that sugar that comes with
00:25:20.48\00:25:23.32
it, and I'm getting
the brownies and whatever.
00:25:23.32\00:25:26.29
What you're
advocating, when you say
00:25:26.29\00:25:28.26
decreasing the amount of salt,
you're not saying eat no salt,
00:25:28.26\00:25:32.39
eat no sweet
stuff; eat zero fat.
00:25:32.39\00:25:36.53
Just make a little change
here. Eat moderate amounts.
00:25:36.53\00:25:40.34
Get more of the good and less of
the bad, and perhaps start the
00:25:40.34\00:25:44.27
change incrementally. I
mean, it would be ideal for
00:25:44.27\00:25:46.78
somebody to go cold turkey,
off the bad and onto the good.
00:25:46.78\00:25:49.58
It doesn't always
work that way for people.
00:25:49.58\00:25:51.28
But small changes
can bring big results.
00:25:51.28\00:25:54.28
DD: They can be powerful,
and yet, the most powerful
00:25:54.28\00:25:57.29
things to actually reeducate
your taste are larger changes.
00:25:57.29\00:26:01.99
JB: There is hope
for you. And for me.
00:26:01.99\00:26:04.39
And I'm glad, because Jesus not
only wants to give us the more
00:26:04.39\00:26:08.60
abundant life, but
it is through Jesus--
00:26:08.60\00:26:11.17
through the power
of the Holy Spirit--
00:26:11.17\00:26:12.90
that we can get from
where we are, if perhaps
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we're living an unhealthy life.
And with the power of God we
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can put down some of the stuff
that's simply killing us, and
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take up the sorts of things
that will enhance our lives,
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increase our lifespan,
and give us a more productive,
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quality life while we're
living here on this earth.
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Our time here on this earth is
so short, we ought to be making
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the best of it, not
ruining it. DD: Most definitely.
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JB: Our time on this program
is short, too, Dr. DeRose.
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Thanks for joining me
today. This has been a blessing.
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DD: It's always
good to be with you.
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JB: And thank
you for joining me.
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I want you to be
encouraged today.
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Why did Jesus come?
So that we might live.
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How does He want us to
live? A more abundant life.
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That's what He offers you today.
Why don't we pray together?
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Ask God for that life,
and thank Him for it as well.
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Let's pray. ¤ [Gentle Music] ¤
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Our Father in heaven, we
are grateful that Your thoughts
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toward us are for
good. We are thankful
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that it's through
Jesus, through Your power,
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with Your help, that we
can have a more abundant life.
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I am thankful today that with
your help we can be the sorts of
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people you want us to
be, and live the kind of life
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you want us to live.
Lord, where we need help,
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give us that help;
where we simply cannot do
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in us what You want to see done.
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We thank You today and we praise
You, and we claim the more
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abundant life in Jesus.
And we pray in Jesus' name.
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Amen. DD: Amen.
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JB: I'm so glad
you've joined me today,
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and I look forward to
seeing you again next time.
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Until then,
remember: It is written,
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man shall not
live by bread alone,
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but by every word that proceeds
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from the mouth of God.
¤ [It Is Written Theme]  ¤
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