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It Is Written,
sharing hope around the globe.
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This is It Is Written.
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I'm John Bradshaw.
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Thanks for joining me today.
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Today on It Is Written,
I'm joined by a very special
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guest.
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We've met before when we
talked about the covenants,
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the Old Covenant and the
New Covenant, but there's much
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to talk about on these
subjects and how the Old
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and New Covenants impact
our lives today and what they
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really stand for.
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My guest is Dr. Skip McCarty
who for over four decades
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has been a pastor, a
teacher and an author.
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Skip, thanks very
much for joining me today.
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SM Thank you John.
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An honor to be here.
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JB I appreciate
this opportunity to speak
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with you about the covenants.
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You have written
extensively on this subject.
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You have engaged with
theologians and scholars
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from across the Christian
spectrum on the subjects
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of the covenants.
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It's a relevant subject, a
very pertinent subject today
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because there is a lot of
discussion among people who
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say, well I'm a
New Covenant Christian.
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I don't want to be an
Old Covenant Christian.
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And I'm sure that's
right because the covenant God
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gave us today is
the New Covenant.
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What was the first
Covenant God gave us and before
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you answer that,
what's a covenant biblically?
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What's a covenant
biblically and what is the first
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one God gave us?
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SM The covenants in the
Bible were different kinds.
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There were covenants between
nations, there were covenants
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between
individuals such as David
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and Jonathan, they had a
covenant with each other.
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But the dominant covenants
in the Bible are the covenants
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God made with human beings.
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And those covenants
are all God initiated.
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They are promises
God made to his people.
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JB What is or what was
the original covenant God made
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with the human family.
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SM I am going to back
up even before the human
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family.
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You can go back
in time far enough
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where there was no
creation and there was only God.
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And Christianity understands
God in terms of Father, Son
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and Holy Spirit.
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That's how we understand God.
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Therefore, it can say
God is love for eternity past
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because you have Father,
Son and Holy Spirit relating
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to one another.
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Those love bonds,
those commitments of loyalty
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to one another, each treating
the other as they would want
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to be treated if they
were in the other's place.
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That's covenant.
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That's essentially covenant.
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It's that whole sold commitment
John Murray, a Presbyterian
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scholar, he called it
a whole souled commitment
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to the other.
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Once God began to bring
creation into existence,
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the Angels, they were
just folded into that covenant.
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This was the same commitment
that was made to them when
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he brought Adam and Eve
into the existence, that same
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commitment was made to them.
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That kind of a
covenant expects the same kind
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of commitment back again.
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JB The covenant represents
God's total commitment
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to the person he is
making a covenant with.
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SM Absolutely.
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God does expect a
whole souled commitment back
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to him.
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There is no question about that.
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No, it's not a whole
list of you do this and this
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and this and this and
this and then I'll be your God.
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JB And many
people see it that way.
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SM Yeah, well, that's a mistake.
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It was not that way with
the Angels, it was not that way
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with the Father, Son or Holy
Spirit and when Adam and Eve
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were brought into
existence, God made that same
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commitment to them.
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Now he did give them a
way that they could express
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their trust in him and
that was that tree in the garden
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and they showed
their distrust of him which
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is essentially what that was.
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It was distrusting him
but every covenant from
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that point on has
been God reaffirming.
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Once Adam and Eve
sinned, the everlasting covenant
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from eternity past was
adapted into a covenant
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of grace.
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The covenant of grace is
the bridge between Eden lost
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and Eden restored.
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Everything Adam lost,
the Covenant of Grace,
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the Everlasting Gospel --
the Book of Revelation calls
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it the Everlasting Gospel
-- is that Covenant of Grace.
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Is God's initiative to restore
to us everything we've lost.
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So that's the four promises
we talked about last time
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I came here, the New Covenant.
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God will write
his law in our hearts.
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He'll be our God,
we'll be his people.
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Eventually everyone is
going to know him and he'll
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forgive us of our sins.
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That comes into that.
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JB Important to discuss
that because many people have
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the idea the Old Covenant
was the Ten Commandments,
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obey this and live, the New
Covenant is believe in Jesus
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and be saved by grace.
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You mentioned something
that isn't often spoken
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of in
discussions of the covenants.
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So we want to
accurately understand what
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the covenants are and
you've expressed them always
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as being God's expression
of his commitment to his people
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and as we participate in
that covenant our expression
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of our commitment back to him.
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But you talked about
an everlasting covenant.
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And now, where did that
come from and what's that?
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SM The everlasting
covenant came from God who
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is everlasting.
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The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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That's where it originated
in the commitments they have
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made to one another and
then enfolded the angelic host
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and the human race
into that commitment.
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I am going to turn to one
passage and that's Isaiah 24
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and read verse 5
if you would for us.
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JB The earth is also
defiled under its in habitants
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because they have transgressed
the laws, changed the ordinance,
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broken the everlasting covenant.
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SM Isn't that interesting?
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This is the earth.
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This is not just a
little group of people here
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or there.
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It's not just a nation.
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It's not just Israel.
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The everlasting
covenant involves everyone on
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the earth and the covenants
God made with his people,
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for instance, the covenant
he made at Sinai, he was just
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grooming them to share
with the world the knowledge
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of the everlasting covenant,
of God's commitment to everyone
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and that they needed to
put their trust in him too
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and have this same experience
with God that they were having
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to have restored to them
everything that Adam lost
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on their behalf.
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In Hebrews 13, this
is the first time that
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the everlasting
covenant is associated directly
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with Jesus in Hebrews 13:20.
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Why don't you read
that for us if you would?
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JB Now may the God of
peace who brought up our Lord
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Jesus from the dead, the
great shepherd of the sheep
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through the blood of
the everlasting covenant
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make you complete in
every good work to do his will.
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SM Exactly.
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Isaiah said there is
an everlasting covenant
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the whole earth has broken.
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In Hebrews it says when
Jesus died it was his blood
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of the everlasting covenant.
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He atoned for the sins of
the whole world and gave his
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life for them so they
could be restored to wholeness
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again.
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JB When do we
find talk in the Bible
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of the Old Covenant?
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SM The term Old Covenant
first shows up in the New
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Testament.
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It doesn't occur
anywhere in the Old Testament.
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The term New Covenant
does in Jeremiah, after
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the exile, when they
are in Babylon for 70 years
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and Jeremiah 31 God said
I'm going to make a New Covenant
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with you.
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JB It's worthwhile reading that.
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Can I look at that?
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It starts in verse 31.
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SM Yes.
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JB Behold the days
are coming, says the Lord,
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when I will make a New Covenant
with the House of Israel
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and with the House of Judah.
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Not according to the covenant
that I made with their fathers
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in the day that I took
them by the hand to bring them
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out of the land of Egypt.
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My covenant, which they
broke, though I was a husband
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to them, says the Lord.
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But this is the Covenant
that I will make with the House
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of Israel after
those days, says the Lord.
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I will put my law in their
minds and write it on their
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hearts and I will be
their God and they shall be my
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people and verse 34 goes
on to say, no more shall every
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man teach his neighbor and
every man his brother saying
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know the Lord for they all
shall know me, from the least
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of them to the
greatest of them says the Lord.
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For I will forgive
their iniquity and their sin
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I will remember no more.
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SM Okay this is the new
expression of New Covenant.
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JB And it's in
the Old Testament.
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SM It's in the Old Testament
and it's talking about God
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is renewing his covenant
with his people, with Israel,
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that he had made
with him at Sinai.
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These same promises
occur in the Sinai covenant,
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they incur all
through the Old Testament.
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There is New
Covenant all the way through
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the Old Testament.
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JB Which means, then,
that the Old Covenant isn't
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the Old Testament and the
New Covenant, the New Testament,
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which is commonly talked about.
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SM Yes.
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There's an
element of truth to that.
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Once Jesus came, there
was something so significant
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about that that the Book
of Hebrews does talk about
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the whole period before Jesus
came as being Old Covenant,
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all the sacrifices and all
the temple ritual and so forth,
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that was Old Covenant.
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When Jesus came,
the ritual changed.
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We still have ceremonies.
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We still have ceremonial law.
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Our ceremonies are
baptism and the Lord's supper.
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There is still
ceremonial laws but that changed
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because all of those
other ceremonies were looking
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forward to Jesus coming,
the ceremonies we now have look
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back on his coming.
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The moral law didn't change,
it is still the same moral
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standard, it is still
the same standard for sin.
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But the ceremonies change.
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In that sense, you
do have a historical Old
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and New Covenant.
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But that's not what the
New Testament is focusing on.
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When the New Testament
talks about the two covenants
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it's talking about
something vastly different.
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JB We are going to have
to talk about that in just
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a moment.
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We'll be back with more on
the covenants with Dr. Skip
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McCarty, right ahead.
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In Matthew 4:4, the Word
of God says, "It is written,
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man shall not live by bread
alone but by every word that
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proceeds from the mouth of God."
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In 1 Thessalonians chapter
5 Paul tells his readers that
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the day of the return
of Jesus is going to come
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for many people like
a thief in the night.
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They're not going to be ready,
even though they have the same
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opportunities as
everybody else to be ready.
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And with the thought of
Jesus' return in the center
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of the picture,
Paul adds in verse 6.
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"Therefore let us not
sleep, as do others; but let us
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watch and be sober."
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There's nothing more
important that being ready
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to meet Jesus when He
comes back, and people ought
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to "watch" for that day:
alert to the signs of the times
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and living in a way
that suggests you are serious
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about meeting Jesus.
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If ever there was a time
to be living with eternity
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in mind, this is definitely it.
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Why?
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Because Jesus is
coming back soon.
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I'm John Bradshaw
for It Is Written.
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Let's live today by Every Word.
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This is It Is
Written and I'm John Bradshaw
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and my guest today is Dr.
Skip McCarty and we are talking
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about the covenants,
the Old Covenant and the New
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Covenant and Skip, must
a moment ago you mentioned
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something that is going to take
our conversation a little bit
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deeper.
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There is an historical
element to the covenants
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and an experiential
element to the covenants.
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SM Correct.
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JB There was an Old Covenant
and there is a New Covenant.
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Jesus stood between the
two covenants historically
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but what do you mean when
you say there is an experiential
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component?
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SM In the writings of
Paul, when he is talking about
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the covenants, he is
talking about something that God
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himself hinted at when
he gave the New Covenant
00:11:32.16\00:11:34.60
in the book of Hebrews.
00:11:34.60\00:11:35.60
When he gave the New Covenant
in Hebrews 8, he said it's not
00:11:35.60\00:11:38.33
going to be like the
covenant I made with those
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I brought out of
Egypt because they weren't
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faithful to my covenant.
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That was the difference.
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It was a matter of faithfulness.
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So God himself said what's
going to be different about
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the New Covenant is
I'm expecting a different
00:11:49.23\00:11:51.23
response than I got at
At Sinai, people said we'll
00:11:51.23\00:11:53.70
do it all, we'll do everything
you said but they didn't.
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They immediately
made a golden calf.
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JB Sure.
00:11:58.23\00:11:59.23
SM God says I want a different
response from this generation
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and so what he's talking
about here is how people respond
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to the gospel message.
00:12:05.36\00:12:06.86
Jesus said that which is
born of the flesh is flesh,
00:12:06.86\00:12:08.86
that which is born
of the spirit is spirit.
00:12:08.86\00:12:10.86
You must be born again and
so if we stay in the flesh,
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and that can be a rebellious
response to God or a religious
00:12:13.63\00:12:16.96
response to God.
00:12:16.96\00:12:18.16
Religious response is
where we just do what we think
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is right and think that's
going to put God in our debt.
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We'll merit eternal life.
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That's all Old Covenant.
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And the other side,
being born of the Spirit, being
00:12:26.93\00:12:30.03
born according to the
Spirit is New Covenant.
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JB So what you're saying,
there's a historical component
00:12:32.80\00:12:35.93
to the covenants, Jesus
stood between the two covenants
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historically, but
there is an experiential
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component where somebody
living in this very modern
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age can have a very
Old Covenant experience.
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SM That's what
he's warning against.
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JB Tell me how a person
in practical terms today
00:12:49.43\00:12:51.43
can have an Old
Covenant experience.
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SM Okay.
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JB You might be living
under the Old Covenant even
00:12:54.43\00:12:56.43
if you attend a church that
says New Covenant church right
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on the sign, if.
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SM That's true.
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I've knocked on many
doors in my life just talking
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to people about the gospel
and somebody says well I don't
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really need what you're
offering because I think
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I live a good life.
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I live a good enough life.
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If there's an after
life, I think I'll be okay.
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It's the law of Karma.
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The law of Karma says
I'm going to get coming back
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to me.
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If I don't get it all
in this life I'm gonna get
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it in the next
life either good or bad.
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The Gospel isn't Karma.
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The Gospel is total
faith in Jesus Christ.
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His blood of the everlasting
covenant is what washes away
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my sins.
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His promise to write his
law in my heart and mind is what
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empowers me to live a
godly life and that's a process.
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If I think going to
church is going to help get
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me salvation, just going to
church - that's not going to
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do it.
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I have to have total
dependence on the grace
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of Jesus Christ's sacrifice
for me and his promise to change
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my life.
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That's new covenant.
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JB So secular people,
without realizing it, can
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have an Old Covenant attitude.
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SM Exactly.
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JB and modern New Testament
church going Christians
00:14:00.80\00:14:03.40
can be under the Old Covenant.
00:14:03.40\00:14:04.53
SM John, we are
born Old Covenant.
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Every human being is
born in Old Covenant.
00:14:06.76\00:14:09.33
.We have to be converted
to become New Covenant people.
00:14:09.33\00:14:11.76
That's what Paul
has in mind here.
00:14:11.76\00:14:13.93
Those who are born of
the flesh are Old Covenant.
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That's what he
calls Old Covenant.
00:14:16.63\00:14:18.76
Those who are born of
the Spirit are New Covenant.
00:14:18.76\00:14:21.43
So He is saying if you
are Old Covenant, you will not
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inherit eternal life.
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So John, if the Old Covenant
is the Covenant God made
00:14:25.26\00:14:28.40
with the people at
Sinai, that would be saying
00:14:28.40\00:14:31.46
that anyone who is faithful
to that covenant, as God asked
00:14:31.46\00:14:33.90
them to me, cannot
have everlasting life.
00:14:33.90\00:14:36.93
That's why we
absolutely, positively know
00:14:36.93\00:14:39.06
that it's not talking
about any covenant he had
00:14:39.06\00:14:41.60
made previously.
00:14:41.60\00:14:42.60
It's talking about their
response, an illegitimate
00:14:42.60\00:14:44.83
response, a legalistic
or a rebellious response
00:14:44.83\00:14:47.13
to the gospel.
00:14:47.13\00:14:48.36
That's totally what the
Old Covenant is in Paul's
00:14:48.36\00:14:50.43
thinking.
00:14:50.43\00:14:51.43
JB That's serious, isn't it?
00:14:51.43\00:14:52.43
Because there are Christians
today who, based on their
00:14:52.43\00:14:55.83
attitude towards the
gospel, might be Old Covenant
00:14:55.83\00:14:59.93
Christians because of the
experience they are having
00:14:59.93\00:15:03.23
rather than New Covenant
Christians because they are
00:15:03.23\00:15:05.46
missing something
vital with Jesus Christ.
00:15:05.46\00:15:07.46
SM That's true.
00:15:07.46\00:15:08.46
And it has nothing to do
with Oh, I believe in the Ten
00:15:08.46\00:15:10.46
Commandments, therefore
you must be Old Covenant.
00:15:10.46\00:15:12.46
It has nothing to do with that.
00:15:12.46\00:15:14.46
It's how we are
responding to God in faith.
00:15:14.46\00:15:16.46
Or if I'm responding to
God and I say, Oh, I put faith
00:15:16.46\00:15:18.46
in God but I don't
want anything to do with
00:15:18.46\00:15:20.46
the transformation of my life.
00:15:20.46\00:15:21.46
The New Covenant is
I'm going to write my law
00:15:21.46\00:15:23.46
in your hearts.
00:15:23.46\00:15:24.46
I am going to forgive you
but I am going to write my
00:15:24.46\00:15:26.46
law in your hearts as well.
00:15:26.46\00:15:27.46
It's a total submission to
God, it's a total submission
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to God to do
everything he wants to do for us
00:15:29.86\00:15:31.80
in this life.
00:15:31.80\00:15:32.80
JB and entering into the
transformation he wants to
00:15:32.80\00:15:34.80
bring into our lives.
00:15:34.80\00:15:35.80
SM Exactly.
00:15:35.80\00:15:36.80
JB Let's pick up on more
and that in just a minute.
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with Dr. Skip McCarty.
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I'm glad you've joined
me today on It Is Written.
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My guest is Skip McCarty
and our discussion is centering
00:16:40.76\00:16:45.06
on the covenants, the Old
Covenant and the New Covenant.
00:16:45.06\00:16:48.56
And Skip, what we find in
the Bible is that God wants
00:16:48.56\00:16:51.13
everybody to have a
New Covenant experience.
00:16:51.13\00:16:53.76
SM Amen.
00:16:53.76\00:16:54.76
Old Testament, New Testament,
it doesn't matter when they
00:16:54.76\00:16:56.76
lived, he wants them
to have a New Covenant
00:16:56.76\00:16:58.76
experience.
00:16:58.76\00:16:59.76
It's the only way for salvation.
00:16:59.76\00:17:01.83
JB So somebody in the Old
Testament living, it was God's
00:17:01.83\00:17:03.83
will that that
person have a New Covenant
00:17:03.83\00:17:05.83
experience.
00:17:05.83\00:17:06.83
SM All those
people in Hebrews 11.
00:17:06.83\00:17:08.83
They didn't have the
Old Covenant experience
00:17:08.83\00:17:10.83
that Paul is talking
about in Galatians 4.
00:17:10.83\00:17:12.83
They had a New
Covenant experience.
00:17:12.83\00:17:14.83
JB Tell me how somebody
living in the Old Covenant
00:17:14.83\00:17:16.83
times could have an
Old Covenant experience
00:17:16.83\00:17:18.83
as opposed to a New
Covenant experience.
00:17:18.83\00:17:20.83
SM Oh easy.
00:17:20.83\00:17:21.83
In Isaiah 1, God is saying
you perform the sacrifices,
00:17:21.83\00:17:23.83
you go to the festivals
but you are oppressing people.
00:17:23.83\00:17:25.96
He says I hate your sacrifices.
00:17:25.96\00:17:28.63
You need to live a godly life.
00:17:28.63\00:17:30.66
In other words, they weren't
fully embracing the promise
00:17:30.66\00:17:33.90
God had given them to
transform their hearts.
00:17:33.90\00:17:36.00
It's very clear
God wanted love first.
00:17:36.00\00:17:39.30
Love me and
keep my commandments.
00:17:39.30\00:17:41.70
And Love for God and
love for others was always
00:17:41.70\00:17:44.76
at the top of the
list of His commandments.
00:17:44.76\00:17:46.90
It always was.
00:17:46.90\00:17:47.90
And so God says you're not
loving people, then the ritual
00:17:47.90\00:17:50.60
means nothing to me.
00:17:50.60\00:17:51.60
So people who say I'll
treat people, I'll cheat them
00:17:51.60\00:17:54.23
in business, I'll get as
rich as I can and oppress
00:17:54.23\00:17:56.40
the poor but yet I'll do
the sacrifices and I'll perform
00:17:56.40\00:18:00.66
the rituals.
00:18:00.66\00:18:01.66
God says no, it's
not what it's about.
00:18:01.66\00:18:03.66
That is Old Covenant.
00:18:03.66\00:18:04.66
JB New Covenant, it
seems very clear, involves
00:18:04.66\00:18:07.36
a transformation in the life.
00:18:07.36\00:18:09.23
SM Absolutely.
00:18:09.23\00:18:10.23
JB God said if you
love me, I'll write my law
00:18:10.23\00:18:13.53
in your hearts.
00:18:13.53\00:18:14.80
SM Exactly.
00:18:14.80\00:18:15.80
JB Now you would say
that that law that he
00:18:15.80\00:18:17.80
is talking about is
the Ten Commandments.
00:18:17.80\00:18:19.80
Can we be certain about that?
00:18:19.80\00:18:21.80
SM It's at least
the Ten Commandments.
00:18:21.80\00:18:23.80
It's at least
the Ten Commandments.
00:18:23.80\00:18:25.80
That's the law that God
is writing on our hearts.
00:18:25.80\00:18:27.80
JB And saying that a
person is going to keep the Ten
00:18:27.80\00:18:29.80
Commandments is not legalism.
00:18:29.80\00:18:30.80
SM It can be legalism if
that is all they think about,
00:18:30.80\00:18:33.80
is the Ten Commandments
and obeying those in order
00:18:33.80\00:18:35.80
to get to heaven.
00:18:35.80\00:18:36.80
That can be legalism.
00:18:36.80\00:18:37.80
But a person who sincerely
seeks God, who trusts God
00:18:37.80\00:18:40.36
to do the work in them
they can't do for themselves,
00:18:40.36\00:18:42.53
to make them godly people,
loving people, and obedient
00:18:42.53\00:18:46.06
to His commandments, of course.
00:18:46.06\00:18:48.06
But the
commandments become promises.
00:18:48.06\00:18:50.06
Once a person becomes
a believer and converted,
00:18:50.06\00:18:52.86
they are ten promises.
00:18:52.86\00:18:53.90
JB And that's the
New Covenant experience.
00:18:53.90\00:18:56.20
SM Yes it is.
00:18:56.20\00:18:57.20
JB You know, there's
another passage that I have been
00:18:57.20\00:18:59.96
asked about
frequently that deals with this.
00:18:59.96\00:19:02.90
It's found in 2 Corinthians 3.
00:19:02.90\00:19:05.53
Would you mind
looking at that with me?
00:19:05.53\00:19:07.53
SM Yes.
00:19:07.53\00:19:08.53
JB What do we say
about this passage that Paul
00:19:08.53\00:19:10.53
was talking about here.
00:19:10.53\00:19:11.53
In fact, you know, it has
a little heading right here
00:19:11.53\00:19:13.90
in this Bible,
glory of the New Covenant.
00:19:13.90\00:19:16.43
SM In 2 Corinthians 3
it's very much like his letter
00:19:16.43\00:19:19.90
to the Galations
in his discussion
00:19:19.90\00:19:21.90
of the two covenants there.
00:19:21.90\00:19:22.90
So we bring that mindset
here and we find out exactly
00:19:22.90\00:19:26.10
the same thing going on
here because what he does here
00:19:26.10\00:19:28.20
is he contrasts New Covenant
and another covenant here
00:19:28.20\00:19:31.36
that he has in mind.
00:19:31.36\00:19:33.23
He says we're
ministers of the New Covenant,
00:19:33.23\00:19:36.26
not of the letter.
00:19:36.26\00:19:37.80
He calls the other the
letter that many people
00:19:37.80\00:19:41.00
refer to the Sinai Covenant.
00:19:41.00\00:19:43.20
You have parallel
columns again where he has Old
00:19:43.20\00:19:46.23
Covenant and he says the
Old Covenant is the letter
00:19:46.23\00:19:48.83
and the New
Covenant is the Spirit.
00:19:48.83\00:19:50.83
The Old Covenant is written
on stone and the New Covenant
00:19:50.83\00:19:53.06
is written on the heart.
00:19:53.06\00:19:54.06
The Old Covenant is
condemnation and death.
00:19:54.06\00:19:57.06
The New Covenant is
righteousness and life
00:19:57.06\00:19:59.36
and when you go down those
columns, you find out if you
00:19:59.36\00:20:02.76
just have the items he
puts in the Old Covenant,
00:20:02.76\00:20:05.16
you have an unsaved person.
00:20:05.16\00:20:06.23
It's talking about
an unconverted person.
00:20:06.23\00:20:08.56
So what you have is the Old
Covenant again is an unbelieving
00:20:08.56\00:20:12.26
response to the gospel.
00:20:12.26\00:20:14.16
A rejection of it or a
legalistic response to it
00:20:14.16\00:20:16.90
and the New Covenant
being a faith-embrace
00:20:16.90\00:20:19.26
of the gospel, allowing
God to do everything in us
00:20:19.26\00:20:21.56
he wants to do and he is
going to change us from one
00:20:21.56\00:20:23.56
degree of glory to the
other by the Spirit who does
00:20:23.56\00:20:25.76
this work in us.
00:20:25.76\00:20:26.76
That's New Covenant.
00:20:26.76\00:20:27.76
No matter when a
person lived, they had to have
00:20:27.76\00:20:29.76
that experience and
that is New Covenant.
00:20:29.76\00:20:31.70
JB So the covenants that
God made with his people back
00:20:31.70\00:20:33.96
in Old Testament times
were gospel-revealing covenants.
00:20:33.96\00:20:37.80
SM Exactly.
00:20:37.80\00:20:38.80
Each one in capsuled
the gospel to be shared
00:20:38.80\00:20:41.00
with the people of
the world around them.
00:20:41.00\00:20:43.50
It was the same
gospel throughout.
00:20:43.50\00:20:45.50
Paul said in
Galations 1 there's one gospel.
00:20:45.50\00:20:47.50
There is no other gospel.
00:20:47.50\00:20:48.50
If anybody preaches a
different gospel, that would
00:20:48.50\00:20:50.50
be Adam, that would be
Moses, that would be anybody
00:20:50.50\00:20:53.00
in the Old Testament who
preached a different gospel,
00:20:53.00\00:20:56.00
Paul said let him be accursed.
00:20:56.00\00:20:57.00
JB God wants people today
to have New Covenant experience
00:20:57.00\00:21:01.26
with Him.
00:21:01.26\00:21:02.26
SM Exactly.
00:21:02.26\00:21:03.26
JB Explain to somebody right
now how they can have a New
00:21:03.26\00:21:08.63
Covenant experience
with God, what that is going
00:21:08.63\00:21:11.23
to look like, what
it will do for them.
00:21:11.23\00:21:13.53
SM Okay.
00:21:13.53\00:21:14.53
Every human being,
John, no matter who they are,
00:21:14.53\00:21:16.53
is going to have times in
their life when they are under
00:21:16.53\00:21:19.63
conviction by God.
00:21:19.63\00:21:21.43
You can't get away from
that, no matter where you
00:21:21.43\00:21:23.56
are, whether you have
even heard of Jesus or not.
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You are going to come under
conviction by the Spirit of God
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that there is something
wrong, you need something more.
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Now people can try to make
a transformation in their life
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but that's futile too make
that ultimate change that God
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is asking us to
make, and so they come to
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the place where
they say God, help me!
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And God comes into the picture.
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There's conversion.
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The Spirit of God
brings a new life into them
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and the Bible
calls that the new birth.
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That's the New
Covenant experience and then
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it's a matter of continuing
to trust God, trust his
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promises, trust those promises.
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God says I'm going to
write my law in your mind.
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I'm going to forgive you.
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Don't keep bringing up the past.
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Don't keep
worrying about the past.
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I am going to
forgive you for that.
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Let's go on from here.
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I'm going to do a new thing
in your life and I am going
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to be your God, and you
are going to be my child even
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when things go rough for
you when you fall, I'm still
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your God, you're still my child.
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We are going to get
through this together.
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The New Covenant is God
promising people He is going
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to do for them what
they can't do and He is going
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to save them.
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It's his promise.
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I am guaranteeing
you, I will save you.
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Just don't run away from me.
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Hang on to me.
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Hang on to me.
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I am going to save you.
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I am going to make your
life more meaningful here than
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you have ever
dreamed here on this earth.
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JB Allowing God to be in
our life that which he wants
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to be.
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SM Yes.
00:22:34.33\00:22:35.83
JB To make us
what he wants us to be.
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SM Yes.
00:22:36.93\00:22:37.53
JB The discussion when we
get into well New Covenant
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you don't keep the commandments,
Old Covenant you do keep
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the commandments.
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It's really a
smoke screen, isn't it?
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SM It's not in
the New Testament.
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It doesn't exist there.
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That kind of
thinking does not exist there.
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Paul is not talking, when
he is talking about the Old
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Covenant, he is not talking
about the covenant God made
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with his people at Sinai.
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Particularly the moral
laws God gave his people
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at Sinai.
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Paul himself said if
it wasn't for the 10th
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Commandment, Thou shall not
covet, I would not even know
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I was a sinner.
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He thought he was
living a perfect life.
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He says that in Philippians 3.
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Before the law, I was faultless.
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There is no argumentation
in the New Testament against
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the commandments of God,
against the Ten Commandments.
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Absolutely not.
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It's only against
this rebellious attitude
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toward them.
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Once you understand
that's what the Old Covenant
00:23:14.10\00:23:15.76
is about, it's about a faulty
response to God, an unbelieving
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response or a
legalistic response to God,
00:23:19.63\00:23:20.83
New Covenant is a faith-response
to God, totally trusting
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his grace.
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It's our response to the law,
it's a perversion of the law
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that he has in mind.
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If he is talking negatively
about it, that's what he
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is talking about.
00:23:29.96\00:23:30.83
He's not talking about a
faith response to God's law,
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see it as now
the promise of God.
00:23:33.16\00:23:35.73
JB We've covered
some ground today.
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I'm thankful to you for
taking the time and I want
00:23:37.16\00:23:39.13
to encourage you, friend,
to know that God wants you
00:23:39.13\00:23:43.56
to have a New
Covenant experience.
00:23:43.56\00:23:46.96
When you will come to God
by faith and say here I am,
00:23:46.96\00:23:50.50
take me and do whatever
it is you want to do in my
00:23:50.50\00:23:53.76
life, you are entering
into a New Covenant experience
00:23:53.76\00:23:56.33
with God.
00:23:56.33\00:23:57.70
You see, when God enters
your life and writes his law
00:23:57.70\00:24:00.16
in your heart, when
Jesus begins to live his life
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in you, what once might
have seemed impossible to you
00:24:02.43\00:24:05.53
becomes possible.
00:24:05.53\00:24:06.93
You love the things you
used to hate and maybe hate some
00:24:06.93\00:24:09.73
things you used to love
and you find your life trending
00:24:09.73\00:24:12.63
in the very direction
that God wants it to go.
00:24:12.63\00:24:15.33
Friend, there is only one
thing, and that is to enter into
00:24:15.33\00:24:17.23
a New Covenant
experience with Jesus.
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Let him write his
law in your heart.
00:24:19.53\00:24:22.83
Respond to him by saying
as Jesus said to his Father,
00:24:22.83\00:24:25.66
not my will, but
your will be done.
00:24:25.66\00:24:29.63
When you say to Jesus,
let me have a New Covenant
00:24:29.63\00:24:32.06
experience with you,
your life is going to bloom,
00:24:32.06\00:24:35.26
your joy will be full,
you'll be walking with Jesus
00:24:35.26\00:24:38.53
the way he wants you to
walk and you can look forward
00:24:38.53\00:24:42.26
with great
certainty to the wonderful day
00:24:42.26\00:24:44.26
when Jesus comes
to take you home.
00:24:44.26\00:24:47.86
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Dr. McCarty, thanks
for making this clear
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for us today.
00:26:41.80\00:26:42.90
I'm just so thankful
you've taken the time.
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Friend, I want to pray
for you that you can have
00:26:45.60\00:26:48.20
that experience with
Jesus that he wants you to have,
00:26:48.20\00:26:50.76
an experience that is
vital and vibrant, that even
00:26:50.76\00:26:53.33
when there are times of
challenges, God can get you
00:26:53.33\00:26:55.43
through, an experience
where the Lord's will is done
00:26:55.43\00:26:58.46
and you are made a
new creature in Christ.
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Let's pray for that now.
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Father in heaven, thank you
for giving us a New Covenant
00:27:02.80\00:27:05.33
experience, where we can
open up our hearts to you
00:27:05.33\00:27:08.26
and allow you to be the God
in our life, and allow Jesus
00:27:08.26\00:27:12.33
to work in us
both to will and to do
00:27:12.33\00:27:14.33
for his good pleasure.
00:27:14.33\00:27:16.40
May we not choose to be
Old Covenant Christians,
00:27:16.40\00:27:18.90
trusting our own
works, doing our own thing
00:27:18.90\00:27:22.50
in order to secure salvation.
00:27:22.50\00:27:24.70
But may we trust fully in you.
00:27:24.70\00:27:26.70
Give us the grace today
to lean on Jesus and expect
00:27:26.70\00:27:29.83
His will to be done.
00:27:29.83\00:27:31.30
This we pray, thanking
you in Jesus' name, amen.
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[Music]
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Thank you for joining me today.
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I look forward to
seeing you next time.
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Until then, remember, it
is written, man shall not
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live by bread alone but
by every word that proceeds
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from the mouth of God.
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