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Thanks for joining me today.
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I'm John Bradshaw and
this is It Is Written.
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[Music] On February 12 in
the year 180 two men were born
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on either side of the
Atlantic Ocean who would go
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on to profoundly
affect the world.
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In Kentucky on that day was
born the man who would go on
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to become the 16th President
of the United States of
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America - Abraham Lincoln
- the man who would sign the
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emancipation proclamation
and lead the nation through the
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turmoil of the Civil War.
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And on that very same day,
in Shewsbury, England, Charles
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Darwin entered the world.
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Now although he was far
from the first person to propose
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the idea of evolution, Darwin
went on to become known as
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the Father of Evolution.
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He came to view what he saw
in the natural world as being
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explainable by natural
processes, and in 1859 he
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published the book, "On the
Origin of Species by Means of
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Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favoured
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Races In the Struggle for Life".
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It was a book
that shook the world.
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Prior to Darwin, the
western world was "largely" a
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creationist world.
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But today, things
are very different.
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Gallup polls reveal
that while nearly half of
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Americans believe in
creationism, 32% believe in
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evolution guided by God,
and 15% believe in atheistic
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evolution.
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TV scientist Bill Nye
- to quote CNN - "slammed
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creationism", saying that
if people ignored evolutionary
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theory their worldview became
"crazy", and he urged adults
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not to teach the Biblical
teaching of creation to their
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children.
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So, what can a
person safely believe?
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The Bible begins with the
words "In the beginning God
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created the
heaven and the earth."
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But a lot of people don't agree.
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I recently traveled
to Petersburg in Northern
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Kentucky, near Cincinnati,
Ohio, to visit the Creation
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Museum, and I spoke with
scientist Dr Terry Mortenson
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about creation and evolution.
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I began by asking Dr
Mortenson where the idea came
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from that the Earth
is millions of years old.
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TM: The idea of millions
of years did not come from the
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rocks and the fossils.
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It came from certain
assumptions that were used to
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interpret the rocks and the
fossils and those assumptions
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came out of antibiblical
world views, Deism, Atheism,
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where people rejected
the Biblical view of history.
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In contrast, for the first
1800 years of church history
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and for 1400 years
before that among the Jews, they
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took the Bible as the
revelation of the Creator,
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the early chapters of Genesis
as true history, and so the
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date of 6000 years roughly
comes from the chronological
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information given in Genesis.
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JB You said that we
didn't get from Creationism to
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Evolution because somebody
made a startling scientific
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discovery.
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How did we get here?
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TM: many people coming out
of the enlightenment rejected
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the Bible and they began
to say: We need to explain
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everything by time,
chance and the laws of nature.
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And so they started
looking at the rocks.
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They looked at the rock
layers and made an assumption
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that there's no way that
a global flood could produce
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what we are looking.
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I mean these rock
layers are very thick.
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It must have taken millions
of years to deposit those.
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Well, they were making an
assumption: 1) that they knew
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what a global flood could do.
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They were just assuming.
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They had not done scientific
experiments to say you know,
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you can't produce this
particular kind of geological
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formation in a
catastrophic flood.
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JB So what's science, or
good science or responsible
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science?
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TM Well, the word "science"
in English comes from the
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Latin word for science,
and originally it just meant
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knowledge.
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And so before the modern
scientific age, theology was
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a science.
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In fact, it was called the
queen of science, the queen
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of knowledge.
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But in the wake of
the enlightenment and the
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development of modern
science, science became
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associated with
repeatable experiments and the
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development of technology
and so we started to build steam
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engines, and railroads and
electricity and those kinds
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of things and what happened
in the 18th and 19th Century
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was what we can call the
science of geology began to
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develop and it was a
different kind of science,
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because it wasn't reproducing
things in the lab, it was
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looking at things out
there in the world and trying to
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reconstruct the unobserved past.
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and so, for example, just a
concrete example, John Wesley
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Powell was the first
geologist to go into the
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Grand Canyon back in the 1860's.
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Well, he went into the canyon
already an evolutionist and
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believing in millions of years.
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He believed that the
rocks were the result of slow,
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gradual deposition over
long, long periods of time.
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So when he went into the
Grand Canyon and saw these
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massive layers and he saw
the muddy Colorado River going
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through this huge canyon,
he just began to immediately
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think: "Well, slow, gradual
deposition laid down these
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layers, and the Colorado
River has just been flowing
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for millions of
years to carve this canyon.
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[Music] JB So why should
people believe Creation from
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a scientific point of view?
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TM ...
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is there evidence in
the rocks that point to this
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global flood?
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I'll have more in just a moment.
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the Word of God says, "It is
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This is It Is Written,
I'm John Bradshaw, and today
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we're discussion creation
and evolution with Dr Terry
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Mortenson from the Creation
Museum in Northern Kentucky.
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I think we both know that
it's common for people today
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to view the world as
being millions and millions of
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years old, and to look at
the Grand Canyon as something
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that was produced
over long ages of time.
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I asked Dr Mortenson how
in view of the science that he
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can go to the Grand
Canyon and see an altogether
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different picture.
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TM Well, it's because I'm
going in with an eye witness
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testimony.
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And so when an evolutionist
goes into the Grand Canyon,
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it's not even a question
on the radar, could a global
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flood be responsible
for what I'm looking at?
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Whereas when I go in that
eye witness testimony of the
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Creator given to us in
the Book of Genesis is in the
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mind and we're looking ...
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is there evidence in
the rocks that point to this
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global flood?
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JB Give me a scientific
explanation for the Grand
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Canyon.
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TM Well, there's a number
of things that we show people
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when we go into the canyon.
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One is a feature
that's called "Cross-bedding."
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you have very strong evidence
that that very thick layer
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was laid down under an
enormous amount of water,
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moving at a good speed.
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There is another
feature that we show them.
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They're called Nautiloids.
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They are fossils that
are like an ice cream cone, a
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pointed ice cream cone.
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And they're related to squid.
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They have a head sticking
out of the cone, and there's
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about a 7 foot thick layer
in the red wall limestone that
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is about 400 feet thick
that is just filled with these,
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and they've been spotted in
different places, all the way
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through this layer, all
the way up near Las Vegas.
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There's an estimated
billion or so of these creatures
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buried in this one thin
layer and Steve Austin, a Ph.D.
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geologist did some research
on them and he took a compass
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and a GPS and he plotted
where he found them all along
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this layer in the Grand Canyon.
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He noted their orientation.
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I think 15% of them are
buried in an upright position
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with their point down.
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He noted that they are not
all just higally pigally in
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all directions, but
there's a general indication ...
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I can't remember if it
indicates a flow from the
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Southwest to the Northeast
or Southeast to the Northwest,
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but what he argues in a
paper which he presented to the
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National Park Service,
and they were very interested,
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the geologists, was that
this was a massive catastrophic
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event, mass burial of these
creatures, and that helps to
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explain the orientation
and that these cones are in an
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upright position, because
you wouldn't expect the creature
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to just die a natural death
and go down and sink into the
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ocean floor and just stand
there perfectly upright for
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hundreds or thousands of
years waiting to slowly get
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settled.
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Another feature that we
show a couple of places is the
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folding of rock.
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Now you can bend solid
rock under high temperature and
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pressure but when you do,
you metamorphose or you change
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the structure of the rock
but in these examples that we
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show, the rock stays exactly
the same character all the
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way through the bend.
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JB Many people have seen
this on the sides of roads, that
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type of figure, where you
get layers that fold and this is
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what you're
talking about, right?
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TM Right JB OK And so what
do you see when you look at
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these legs?
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TM Well, what that shows ...
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JB Doesn't it show ...
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taking the Evolutionist
viewpoint, doesn't it show,
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well, this one laid down
over 150 million years, and then
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the next one came, because
this is what modern science
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typically teaches, correct?
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TM Yes.
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JB That they laid down
over millions of years.
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TM But it wouldn't lay
down the layers so that it all
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flowed the same way and
if the rock layer is being
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deposited slowly, and then
you had an earthquake, which
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is what would
cause the movement ...
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JB Right TM ...
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it would break the rock or
if there was enough stuff above,
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it would, with the heat and
the pressure, would allow it
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to bend, but it would
transform the character of
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the rock in the bend, and
what we see doesn't fit that
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at all.
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What it fits is the
conclusion that those rock
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layers were bent when
they were still relatively soft
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and moist, shortly after they
were deposited, and then the
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northeast end of the Grand
Canyon you have the Kaibab up
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where the whole pile
of sediments, which the
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evolutionists say represents
300 million years of time,
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the whole pile is bent
the same direction, which
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indicates strongly to
creation geologists that the
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whole pile was still
relatively wet and moist and
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soft.
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JB See, you've got me convinced.
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And as I listen to you, I
say to myself: Why doesn't
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everybody believe this?
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TM Well, I come back to
the Bible, because that informs
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my understanding of the World
and the Bible says that all
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of us are sinners.
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We're in rebellion against
our Creator and Paul says in
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the book of Romans, Chapter
1 and 2, he says that the whole
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Creation bears witness to
the existence and at least some
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of the attributes are
characteristics of God and in
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Chapter 2, he says that God
has written his moral law in
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the heart of every person.
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Our conscience tells us we
either did that right or we
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did it wrong and what
Paul says in Romans 1 is that
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people, we all do this to
a greater or lesser extent.
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We push down the truth.
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We suppress that truth
because we don't want to deal
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with God.
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We don't want to
deal with our sin.
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You know, there's a lot
of discussion today about
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Intelligent Design, and
people saying there's strong
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evidence for a designer,
and I agree with that, but it's
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fairly safe to entertain the
idea of a designer as long as
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you don't say
who the designer is.
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It could be
aliens in outer space.
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Well, it doesn't matter.
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I can live my life the
way I want, but to consider a
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global flood and a young
earth, you're now face to
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face with the reality of a
God that the Bible describes
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is not only loving and
merciful and patient, but
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Holy and just.
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So if a person is not
prepared to really face that
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truth, they're going
to suppress the truth.
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They're going to find any
other explanation to evade
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that.
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JB Which leads me
to my next question.
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It's not just Atheists
who embrace evolution, even
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Christians, even Christian
teachers and preachers.
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Even Christian academics.
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TM Yep JB who claim
to believe the Bible.
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The Pope came out and said
that evolution and at least
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how he interpreted the
Word of God, were not mutually
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exclusive.
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How is that?
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TM If we believe the Bible
is the Word of God, then we need
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to carefully
look at what it says.
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And I find that a lot
of Christians, including
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Academics, who say: You know,
the age of the earth doesn't
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matter, or you know, you
can even accept that God evolved
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the body of Adam from an
ape, and then he breathed into
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that and that became Adam.
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What is really disturbing
to me, John, is that as I read
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their writings, I don't
see them carefully handling the
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actual Biblical
text on the key verses.
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So it's easy to wave my hands
and say there's no conflict
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between this view and
the Bible if I don't look
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carefully at the text.
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JB Is it possible to bring
the teachings of creation and
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evolution?
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TM Not if you're really
paying attention to what the
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evolutionists say
and what the Bible says.
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looking today at
creation and evolution.
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I spoke with Dr Terry
Mortenson at the Creation
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Museum in Petersburg,
Kentucky, and I asked him if
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it's possible to bring
together the teachings of
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creation and evolution.
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TM Not if you're really
paying attention to what the
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evolutionists say
and what the Bible says.
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common argument in
favor of evolution and against
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Biblical creation that
I want to ask you about.
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That's carbon dating.
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TM Carbon dating ...
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there are various dating
methods using radioactive
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isotopes.
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Carbon 14 is one but carbon
dating is never used to date
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rocks.
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It's used to date former
living things where there's
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carbon in them, so the
maximum age you could date
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something with carbon 14
is about 80 thousand years.
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So, they use other methods.
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They look at....OK, well,
how many uranium atoms and how
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many lead atoms
are there in the rock?
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We have observed for 100
years that uranium decays
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into lead at this X rate.
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They assume that it has
always decayed at that rate
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but the half-life for uranium
to lead is 4.5 billion years.
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So, they didn't
observe it all that time.
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They've only observed it
for 100 years and then they have
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extrapolated on the basis
of the assumption of a constant
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rate.
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JB Well, is that
not a fair assumption?
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TM It could be except that
we have creation scientists who
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have done a lot of
research on this area.
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They start with the
eyewitness of the Creator who
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says that the creation is
only a few thousand years old
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and there was a global flood
and then they go out and they
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look at the rocks.
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They've taken rock samples
and they look for things.
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They ask
questions about the rocks.
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They probe in certain
areas because they are starting
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with that eyewitness and they
found a lot of good evidence
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that the decay rates have
not been constant in the past,
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that there were orders of
magnitude faster and if that
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were the case, that
would shrink those millions of
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years dates to thousands.
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JB Dramatically.
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TM They used
Carbon 14 to date coal.
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These are dated
anywhere from, I think, about 35
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million to 245 million years
old, and they dated them with
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carbon 14 and the dates
they got back for all of the ten
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samples at different levels
and supposedly different ages
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was all about the same.
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I think it was
about 58 thousand years.
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Now, the creationists don't
believe that's the real age
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of the coal because they
were using still the same
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naturalistic assumptions that
the evolutionists were using.
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They believe that the flood
would have a huge impact on
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carbon dating.
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They also dated some diamonds.
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The rock layer that enclosed
the diamonds was something
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like 2 billion years old.
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They dated the diamonds,
and the dates for the diamonds
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with carbon 14 was only
several tens of thousands of
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years.
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JB So even though
that's still older than a young
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earth, it's radically
different from the assumption
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that one would ...
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TM And it's saying: How do
you get a diamond completely
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enclosed in a rock that is
2 million years old and the
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diamond is only
50,000 years old.
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There's something wrong here.
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They've dated rock
layers in the Grand Canyon.
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Their lava flows over the top
edge of the north rim and the
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south rim that are dated by
some methods to be older than
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lava deposits down at the
bottom of the canyon that are
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supposedly at least 300
million years older than the
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lavalows at the top.
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JB So what do we deduce
from this about carbon dating?
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TM These dating methods
are not telling us the true age
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of the rocks.
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They are giving us erroneous
dates because of several key
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assumptions that
the evolutionists use to
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interpret what they see.
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So, they take their sample
and they get uranium and lead
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atoms.
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That doesn't tell them the age.
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They have to plot this on
a chart and then they have to
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interpret what they
are looking at so that the
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uranium and the lead doesn't
tell you the age of the rock
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by itself.
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It has to be interpreted
and the interpretation is very
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much influenced by the
assumptions about the past.
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JB The flood.
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TM Yep.
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JB The flood in Noah's day.
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The Bible talks about it.
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It's very clear.
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For a Creationist, the flood
answers a lot of questions.
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The Grand Canyon, the layers,
we look at those as being
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laid down by floods quickly.
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Give me some reasons,
quickly, why we can believe
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that there was a flood.
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TM Okay, well, let me
start with the Biblical because
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there are a lot of
Christians who have accepted the
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millions of years who believe
that Noah's flood was just an
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extensive but localized
flood in the Middle East but the
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Biblical text from Genesis
6-8 is clearly describing a
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global flood.
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If the flood was just in the
Middle East, no need to build
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an ark because the animals
and the birds outside the
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flood zone don't care
and they could repopulate the
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whole area if all
the creatures died.
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And God could have just
told Noah to go on a vacation to
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Europe.
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No need to build this huge boat.
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So the purpose of the ark ...
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the fact that the Bible
says "all of the high mountains
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under the heavens are
covered" and since water
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seeks a level plain, the
only way you are going to cover
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the high
mountains is a global flood.
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Now, the Bible doesn't
say that the Himalayas were in
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existence before the flood.
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The Himalayas are actually
the result of the flood and
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the mountain ranges, the
major mountain ranges, are
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al geologically recent.
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They are made of sedimentary
rocks that were once flat and
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were thrust up so we don't
have to assume that you had
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to have 29,000 feet of
water added to the ocean.
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So, there is a
number of factors.
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In Genesis it says that
all creatures in whose nostrils
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is the breath of life perished.
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And then there's the rainbow
promise in Genesis 9 that
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never again would God
flood the world with a global
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flood.
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JB So biblically speaking,
there is no way around the
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flood.
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TM No.
00:22:50.26\00:22:51.26
It was global and
it was catastrophic.
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JB and it's
fundamental to the Bible.
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TM Absolutely.
00:22:55.26\00:22:56.26
Geologically, we see massive
layers, massive that they can
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trap, for example, in India,
there's a massive lava flow,
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on a scale that we don't
see today and there are other
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places where just huge
flows of lava that changed into
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solid rock.
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That fits with the Bible.
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The Bible says that the
fountains of the great deep
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burst open and that language
we can study how those words
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are used in the Bible
and it's clearly speaking of
00:23:24.96\00:23:27.06
tectonic breaking of
the crust of the earth.
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We see sedimentary layers
that are continent wide or
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nearly so that are
just massively extensive.
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These are not the
sediments of a river delta.
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They're just too extensive.
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We see evidence of sea
creatures buried in these
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sediments.
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We see mass graveyards
where there are millions of
00:23:49.76\00:23:52.43
creatures buried together
in high concentrations with all
00:23:52.43\00:23:54.43
kinds of
creatures buried together.
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In many, we see land
animals and sea creatures buried
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together.
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They are not living I
mean, they are not buried where
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they lived.
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They aren't even
buried where they died.
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They are buried where
they are buried and as we
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mentioned earlier, we see
cross-bedding which indicates
00:24:12.10\00:24:16.63
turbulent flow of water.
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The very fact that we
find fossils speaks of a global
00:24:18.53\00:24:22.53
flood because if you have
a creature die like around
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here, we hunt
deer all year round.
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I tell people most of
the year our people hunt with
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their car ...
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laughter ...
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and they slam into a deer.
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If you leave the deer on
the side of the road and the
00:24:35.80\00:24:37.80
highway department
doesn't come to pick it up,
00:24:37.80\00:24:39.80
scavengers and micro
decay organisms will erase the
00:24:39.80\00:24:42.36
evidence.
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So to make a fossil, you
have to bury that creature fast
00:24:43.46\00:24:46.16
and we see evidence of
creatures being buried alive.
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There are creatures with
other creatures fossilized in
00:24:50.53\00:24:52.53
their stomachs so they didn't
even get to finish digesting
00:24:52.53\00:24:56.46
lunch.
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There are fossilized worms.
00:24:57.93\00:24:59.50
There are
fossilized animal manure.
00:24:59.50\00:25:02.53
You know, a cow pie doesn't
lay on the field for years in
00:25:02.53\00:25:07.46
pristine condition.
00:25:07.46\00:25:08.60
So there's folding in
the rocks and this speaks of
00:25:08.60\00:25:15.26
catastrophic
processes on a global scale.
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JB It's interesting
Christians, very often people
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who believe in Creation
are dismissed as not thinking.
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But it seems to me that if
you really think about how we
00:25:27.50\00:25:31.16
got here, Creation, a flood,
divine intervention is the
00:25:31.16\00:25:36.80
only suitable, satisfactory
explanation for the world we
00:25:36.80\00:25:41.16
see around us.
00:25:41.16\00:25:42.16
TM The more I read, the more
I study, the more persuaded I
00:25:42.16\00:25:46.73
am of the truth of the Bible.
00:25:46.73\00:25:49.16
JB Dr. Mortenson, thank you.
00:25:49.16\00:25:50.83
Thanks for taking
the time to talk with us.
00:25:50.83\00:25:53.83
TM Good to be with you, John.
00:25:53.83\00:25:56.16
JB Thank you.
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Creation and evolution.
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The Word of God points us
to a God who is the God of
00:26:45.86\00:26:48.86
creation.
00:26:48.86\00:26:50.16
Together, let's pray
to that God right now.
00:26:50.16\00:26:52.60
Would you pray with me?
00:26:52.60\00:26:54.46
Our Father in heaven, I
thank you the Bible states with
00:26:54.46\00:26:57.93
great confidence that in
the beginning, God created.
00:26:57.93\00:27:01.93
And I'm grateful that you are
not only the Creator, but the
00:27:01.93\00:27:06.70
Re-Creator.
00:27:06.70\00:27:07.70
David prayed, "Create in
me a clean heart, oh, God, and
00:27:07.70\00:27:11.56
renew a right spirit within
me," and I pray now that you
00:27:11.56\00:27:16.23
would be our Creator and
Re-Creator and create in me,
00:27:16.23\00:27:21.06
in each of us, that right
spirit that you want us to
00:27:21.06\00:27:25.06
have.
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Bless and keep us, Lord,
and be in our lives the God of
00:27:26.16\00:27:29.73
creation and Re-creation.
00:27:29.73\00:27:31.43
And I thank you
today in Jesus' name, Amen.
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[Music] Thank you
for joining me today.
00:27:52.13\00:27:54.13
I look forward to
seeing you again next time.
00:27:54.13\00:27:56.13
Until then, remember: It
written: Man shallot live
00:27:56.13\00:27:59.93
by bread alone but by every
word that proceeds from the
00:27:59.93\00:28:04.53
mouth of God.
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