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Thanks for joining me
today on It Is Written.
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Today, a very special guest,
best selling author Will Barron
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sharing not only his experience
in the New Age movement,
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but also how the New
Age movement is impacting
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and infiltrating
Christianity today.
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JB: Will, thank you so
much for joining me today.
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WB: Pleasure to be here today.
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JB: We have already
talked about how you became
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entangled from having been
a Christian, became entangled
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in the New Age movement
and then the Lord miraculously
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delivered you from that.
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Today, let's talk
about what's going on within
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Christianity.
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You speak as one who was
commissioned at one stage to
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infiltrate Christian churches
and bring into Christian
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churches New Age ideas,
practices and disciplines.
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What are some of the
things that have gone from the
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New Age movement into
Christianity that people are
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familiar with today.
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WB: There are primarily
two New Age practices that are
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infiltrating Christianity.
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One of them is
eastern mystical meditation,
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also known as transcendental
meditation, which is
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infiltrating in Christian
circles under the name of
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Christian meditation
and the second would be
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the infiltration of
yoga into Christian circles.
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My personal spirit guide that
was a counterfeit Jesus Christ
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told me to infiltrate Christian
churches, to introduce this
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so-called Christian meditation
into Christian churches.
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In today's society, when people
talk about the word meditation,
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they invariably now
think of Eastern meditation.
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This is a practice we will
sit quietly, either in a chair,
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or possibly sitting on
the floor in a cross-legged
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position, which is a
yoga-posture position.
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People will close their eyes.
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They will tend to
keep their spine erect.
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They will go through
preliminary breathing
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exercises, deep
breathing exercises.
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This is coming from the
yoga, breath control techniques.
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They will endeavor to blank
out their mind of all thoughts
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and ideas and have
their mind then open,
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supposedly, to the impression
of God or the Holy Spirit.
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What I described is
totally from the eastern pagan
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religion of
Hinduism and Buddhism.
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It has no description,
whatsoever, in the Bible.
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JB: What is so wrong about
sitting in a certain position?
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What is so wrong
about clearing one's mind.
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So the Buddhists do it, so
the yoga practitioners do it.
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Does that make it wrong, Will?
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WB: It does.
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Absolutely.
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The danger is that these
are occult practices designed to
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enhance communication with
spirit beings and people that
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are involved in pagan
religion such as buddhism and
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hinduism, they are
communicating with spirits
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but these are not
the true spirit of God.
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These are not God's angels
that they are communicating
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with.
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Invariably, they are
demonic spirits, masquerading as
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angels of light.
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This practice is
absolutely dangerous.
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It is so dangerous that I
am encouraged, I have a passion
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to warn people not to
be involved in this kind of
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practice.
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JB: A person would be saying
'We do this in church and we
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are calling out to
Jesus' so what's so dangers?
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I understand you told me
where it comes from, what
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it's used for,
what it is to enhance.
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What's so dangerous for
a Christian to get involved
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with this?
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Where can it lead?
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WB: Since my book DECEIVED
The New Age was published in
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1990, which is 22 years
ago, I have done quite a lot of
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counseling of Christians that
have started to practice yoga
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and started to practice
this eastern meditation.
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They had teachers telling
them that this was Christian
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meditation and the results
of their practice has been very
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negative and has been demonic
and they have approached me
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for counsel because it
has opened the door to demonic
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harassment, to the
influence of demonic spirits and
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I maintain from
personal experience this type of
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practice is absolutely
dangerous and it has no part
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in the Bible at all.
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It is not described
in the Bible at all.
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The meditation that is
described in the Bible is
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simply the reading of
God's Word, the study of God's
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Word, and the normal
intellectual process of
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thinking about what you
have read and applying it
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to your life.
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Meditation in the Bible
has nothing at all to do with
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deep breathing techniques,
sitting quietly in yoga lotus
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position.
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Those are all
from pagan religions.
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JB: So what you're saying
is, used in a pagan context,
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these practices are simply
the doorway to communicating
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with evil spirits brought
into the Christian context.
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It's still the same doorway.
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WB: It's an evil doorway
and it is downright dangerous.
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JB: So you can't Christianize
it by bringing it into
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Christianity.
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WB: If you study the Old
Testament, constantly the
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Israelites were trying to
adopt pagan religion customs
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and constantly God was
sending prophets to tell the
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Israelites DO NOT
practice pagan relation customs
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because it is dangerous.
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JB: You know, Yoga is really
common in Christianity today,
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shockingly common.
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It's nothing these days for
churches to be offering what
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they call Christian yoga.
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I'm going to read
a definition of yoga.
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Here's a
definition of what yoga is.
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"Yoga is a physical,
mental and spiritual discipline
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originating in ancient India.
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The goal of yoga or of
the person practicing yoga
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[this is interesting] is
the attainment of a state of
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perfect spiritual insight
and tranquility while meditating
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on the Hindu concept
of divinity or Brahmin.
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The word associated
with meditative practices in
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Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism."
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Can something like that
really be brought into a
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church now?
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Now this is the pathway to
Satan, the pathway we are now
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using as the pathway to Jesus.
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It doesn't look like that
would be possible, does it?
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WB: The very word yoga
comes from Sanrit and it is
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connected with the
English word, yoke.
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Jesus told us that we should
be yoked to Him because His
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burden is light
and his yoke is easy.
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True Christian yoga
is to be yoked to Jesus.
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The yoga of the Hindu
religion is a system of
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spiritual practice whose goal
is to yoke you to the gods of
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Hinduism.
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There are hundreds of pagan
deitists in Hinduism and the
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goal of yoga is to yoke or
connect you or to bring about
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a state of union.
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The word yoga literally means
union -- union with the gods
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of Hinduism.
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The whole goal of salvation
is to deliver us from the
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Satanic pagan evil
forces that are out there.
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JB: Absolutely.
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I'll be back with Will
Barron in just a moment.
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JB: I'm glad you joined
me today on It is Written.
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I'm John Bradshaw.
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My special guest here today
is best-selling author, Will
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Barron, whose book Deceived
by the New Age has been very
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successful in exposing
what are essentially lies of the
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enemy of souls, lies that
have crept into Christianity
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and are being accepted by
many people today as truth.
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Will, just a moment ago,
we were speaking about Yoga.
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Let's carry on with that
because this is something
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that Christian churches
are embracing and offering to
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their members and
offering to the community.
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I'm going to read another
definition, if you don't mind.
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"Kundalini yoga is
a physical, mental and
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spiritual discipline
for developing strength,
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awareness,
character and consciences.
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So far, that
sounds innocuous enough.
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Practices call it the YOGA
of Awareness because it focuses
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primarily on practices that
expand sensory awareness and
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intuition.
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In order to raise individual
consciousness [and here is
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where it gets very
fascinating] and merge it
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with the infinite
consciousness of god Brahmin."
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There's nothing
subtle about that.
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Christians are
grabbing hold of this?
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WB: Some are.
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The most advanced type of
yoga would be Kundalini yoga.
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Within Hinduism, the very
word Kundalini is a reference
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to the uncoiling
of the serpent power.
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So no, we are not
just talking about physical
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exercises.
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We're talking about within
Hindu yoga, language that is
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saying that there is a
serpent power inside of you
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and there is a serpent
power that the god consciousness
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can inspire within you and
that this power can bring you
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yogic powers or mystical
powers and have mystical
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consciousness experiences.
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Now John, let me ask you.
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Where do you think
serpent power comes from?
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This is part of
mainstream Hinduism.
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JB: There's nothing subtle
about that idea of the serpent.
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As Christians, we go
back to the Garden of Eden and
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recognize that this was
the tool of Satan to bring sin
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and misery and death into the
world and when we think about
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this, how is it possible
that we can put a christianizing
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on it?
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How can we baptize
this and talk about what is
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essentially, take something
from the realm of myth.
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It has nothing to do with
the reality of Christianity.
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It's mythical inasmuch as
some of these things that are
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talked about have no basis
in biblical fact but real in the
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sense that there is an enemy
who is an expert of deception.
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WB: The tragedy is that most
Christians that get involved
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with yoga will start out
with Hatha yoga, the physical
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exercises, the breathing
postures, the stretching
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exercises, and this is
promoted by New Agers, as a
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means of
attaining better health.
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JB: Is it true?
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Are there benefits in ...
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I mean, it seems to me
it would be good for us to
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stretch and so forth,
that sort of exercise.
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WB: It probably is.
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There probably is a benefit
of exercise value with that
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type of Hatha yoga.
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However ...
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JB: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
I gotta ask you this, I see,
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and I think this
is the "however."
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Someone is
watching this right now.
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They say "I pastor the
church" or "I'm the women's
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ministry leader" or something
like that "and we do yoga and
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we just get the ladies or
the men to stretch, and we're
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doing this and we're
finding that people are being
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helped."
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WB: The danger is that this
type of yoga invariable leads
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to transcendental-type
meditation and it is the
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practice of this
transcendental meditation
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that opens people up
to demonic influence.
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This is a Hindu-mystical
occult practice and I suggest
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that people keep away from it.
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There are many other
exercises you can practice
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without getting involved
in what is essentially a Hindu
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spiritual practice.
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JB: I've read some
interesting articles about
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yoga recently.
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One of them -- and this is
interesting -- one of these
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articles about yoga said
that not every yoga teacher is
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qualified to teach yoga,
and we're talking the stretching
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aspects.
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You can hurt
yourself doing that.
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And this was an article on
a mainstream website saying
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Please be careful.
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It's not everything you think.
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But the photograph of
them showed when they had
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finished, they were sitting
in the lotus position with
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their hands held just so.
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There was more to it
than just stretching.
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WB: This is a spiritual
exercise, a very dangerous
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spiritual exercise.
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JB: So for Christians who
believe we can do this just
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for the physical benefits,
you are saying you cannot
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possibly disentangle the
spiritual danger from any
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physical benefit.
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WB: That is correct.
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There are other ways of
having spiritual exercises.
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There are other
methods of stretching.
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There are other methods
of dynamically exercising.
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My suggestion, my
recommendation, my plea: keep
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away from yoga.
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JB: And you know, you've
written the book Deceived by
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the New Age.
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You know whereof you speak.
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WB: Yes.
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JB: I respect that and
appreciate that very much.
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Let's move to
another subject here.
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The Wicca religion,
if we can call it that.
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Very fast growing.
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It's growing in number of
adherence and in acceptance
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in society today.
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There is a British author who
has written a number of books
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dealing with a young fellow
whose name was Harry Potter.
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Now, a lot of people have
spoken about Harry Potter.
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This isn't new.
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The Harry Potter books
are all over now, but they are
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still everywhere.
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Many parents, even Christian
parents, were saying at least
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my kid is reading.
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At least my child is
enjoying literature now.
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Can these books be innocuous
and harmless when in the
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hands in Christians?
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WB: I would say my
major plunge into New Age
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spirituality occurred through
reading fiction occult books.
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JB: Can they be harmless
or are they always harmful?
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WB: I believe they
are always harmful.
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JB: You became, it says on
the cover of your book, a New
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Age Priest.
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You were a card-carrying,
fully paid up, totally
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immersed, giving your
life to this New Age movement.
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You began
through books and movies.
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WB: Yes.
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Occult books and occult movies.
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Yes.
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JB: There's somebody saying
"You're saying that my kid is
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going to turn into a
devil because he is reading
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Harry Potter books."
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I don't think we're saying
that every child is going to
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slide all the way to hell
because he or she looked at a
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book, so explain to me
why these books are so harmful
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and why we cannot just pass
them off as harmless fiction.
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WB: Because the books
are really not fully fiction.
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They are what we
would call fiction.
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They are fiction books
but they are best on genuine
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occult information,
occult experience and occult
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teachings, and
occult spiritual practice.
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What happened to me when
I started to look at occult
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movies and started to read
occult books, and in my heart
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I had a sense that this
isn't just fiction, there is
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something real about the
message in these books and it
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was my striving, my goal to
find the real power, although
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I started out reading fiction
books, I migrated over into
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reading non-fiction occult
books, because I was looking
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for that kind of power.
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Kids will read Harry
Potter books and kids relate to
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Harry Potter, to the
challenges that he had to
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make sense out of his life,to
make meaning out of his life,
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to have purpose in life and
to have power over your life.
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And they will want that same
power, that same meaning, and
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invariably having being
subjected to the fiction
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aspect, they will then
start going to bookstores and
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looking for the real
books on Wicca or the witchcraft
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religion.
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JB: It seems to me too I
could boil it down and make
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it this simple.
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You read about Superman and
you say "wouldn't it be great
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to be able to fly?
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Wouldn't it be cool to
be able to be as strong as
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Superman."
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But we are never going to
be able to fly and we are never
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going to bend
steel bars in our hands.
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But a child will read Harry
Potter and say "wouldn't it
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be cool to be able to
do some of that stuff?"
00:17:21.66\00:17:24.63
The fact of the matter is,
a kid could do some of that
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stuff."
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WB: He could.
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Yes, through occult practices
you do have the power to do
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what is done in
the Harry Potter books.
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JB: Will, it's explosive
stuff and it is very powerful
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and it's very real.
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Looking forward to
coming back in just a moment and
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speaking more with Will
Barron about the New Age or
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the New spirituality
and how it's impacting and
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infiltrating Christianity.
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JB: Thanks for joining
me today on It Is Written.
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With me, best-selling
author Will Barron whose book
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Deceived by the New Age ..
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it wasn't written yesterday.
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It's been out for 20 years now.
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What is so interesting
about this book, a best-selling
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book is that its warnings
sounded 20 years ago, are
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more relevant today even
than they were two decades ago.
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Are you surprised by that Will?
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You blew the whistle on the
New Age movement two decades
00:18:42.23\00:18:44.30
ago but it's present in
Christianity more strongly
00:18:44.30\00:18:47.30
now than it has ever been.
00:18:47.30\00:18:48.63
Are you surprised by that?
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Not at all.
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Because all this has
been prophesied in the Bible.
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The Bible does prophesy that
there will be apostasy in the
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last days.
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It prophesy's that Satan
will be at work with greater
00:18:57.93\00:19:02.36
power, with greater
deceivableness and we are not
00:19:02.36\00:19:06.26
seeing it infiltrate
more strongly in the Christian
00:19:06.26\00:19:09.06
church than ever before.
00:19:09.06\00:19:11.43
And in our regular secular
world, New Age is no longer
00:19:11.43\00:19:14.80
weird, it is no longer
off-beat, it is now becoming
00:19:14.80\00:19:19.70
mainstream part of
American culture and culture
00:19:19.70\00:19:23.30
throughout the world.
00:19:23.30\00:19:24.66
JB: Where do we see
it in American culture?
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Give me an example of where
you would say "here, and here
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and here, this is where
we see New Age phenomena"
00:19:29.00\00:19:32.36
accepted.
00:19:32.36\00:19:33.76
WB: For example, a lot
of people are aware that
00:19:33.76\00:19:38.73
physical fitness
leads to good health.
00:19:38.73\00:19:40.60
JB: Sure.
00:19:40.60\00:19:41.86
WB: But if you look at
the advertisements for these
00:19:41.86\00:19:44.16
different fitness centers,
they all promote yoga and
00:19:44.16\00:19:47.96
they all promote meditation
as a form of relaxation.
00:19:47.96\00:19:51.83
Within the health professions
now, you have a lot of
00:19:51.83\00:19:55.80
alternative health care
practitioners at work within
00:19:55.80\00:19:59.40
mainstream medical practices
who are now using mystical
00:19:59.40\00:20:04.30
power and mystical energies
as a means of endeavoring to
00:20:04.30\00:20:08.16
produce healing, so you find
it in the health professions,
00:20:08.16\00:20:12.30
within psychology.
00:20:12.30\00:20:15.10
A lot of psychologists
now are adopting New Age
00:20:15.10\00:20:17.80
philosophies as part of
their psychology discipline.
00:20:17.80\00:20:22.20
JB: I was very surprised
speaking with someone close
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to me recently who was very
ill, describing this sort of
00:20:24.33\00:20:27.36
treatment being experienced,
and it was mystical.
00:20:27.36\00:20:30.43
She runs her hand up my
back and she can find the energy
00:20:30.43\00:20:33.90
centers and she tells me
whether the energy is up or
00:20:33.90\00:20:37.16
down and then ...
00:20:37.16\00:20:38.00
this doesn't have a
any basis in science.
00:20:38.00\00:20:39.66
It's not scientific.
00:20:39.66\00:20:41.90
You can't prove this stuff.
00:20:41.90\00:20:44.23
It's clearly mystical and it
came directly from the New Age.
00:20:44.23\00:20:48.90
WB: Yes.
00:20:48.90\00:20:49.93
It's part of the main
streaming of the New Age
00:20:49.93\00:20:52.03
spirituality movement.
00:20:52.03\00:20:54.36
JB: What you've already
told me too is that the New Age
00:20:54.36\00:20:56.03
movement has been on a
mission to mainstream itself.
00:20:56.03\00:20:58.93
WB: Absolutely.
00:20:58.93\00:20:59.76
JB: It's been very
successful, hasn't it?
00:20:59.76\00:21:01.66
WB: Yes.
00:21:01.66\00:21:02.40
JB: Why are people buying it?
00:21:02.40\00:21:03.30
The person who told me
this is a rationale thinker, a
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clear thinking, a
scientific thinker.
00:21:07.63\00:21:10.33
Now also is very sick.
00:21:10.33\00:21:13.06
Why are people falling for this?
00:21:13.06\00:21:15.70
WB: Because
Satanic power is real.
00:21:15.70\00:21:18.66
These healers, through the
agency of Satan's demons, do
00:21:18.66\00:21:25.43
have certain powers and
we know from the book of
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Revelation that there will
be signs, miracles and wonders
00:21:29.50\00:21:33.26
manifested by
Satan and his devils.
00:21:33.26\00:21:36.13
So when people go to a New
Age practitioner who may not
00:21:36.13\00:21:39.90
be practicing under this
world "New Age", they are
00:21:39.90\00:21:45.66
just practicing what they
call alternative therapies or
00:21:45.66\00:21:48.50
natural therapies, they are
using demonic power and this
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power can be felt.
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They can be sensations.
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They can be feelings
of warmth or feelings of
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relaxation.
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The demonic spirits are
able to beam that kind of power
00:22:01.46\00:22:04.70
upon people and it looks like
it works, in the short term,
00:22:04.70\00:22:09.03
but I know from personal
experience the longer that I
00:22:09.03\00:22:12.26
was involved in the New
Age, the sicker I became.
00:22:12.26\00:22:17.96
JB: Christians have, and
rightly so, at least many
00:22:17.96\00:22:21.23
Christians, a desire to
get closer to God, to know God
00:22:21.23\00:22:23.60
better, to enrich
their spiritual life.
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I've heard some talk
about something called
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Contemplative prayer.
00:22:29.90\00:22:31.46
Can you unpack that for me?
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What is contemplative prayer.
00:22:32.83\00:22:34.46
What is involved in
that and are there dangers in
00:22:34.46\00:22:37.33
contemplative prayer?
00:22:37.33\00:22:39.13
WB: Well, I think it is good,
that Christians want to get
00:22:39.13\00:22:44.03
close to God, want to know
God, want to experience God,
00:22:44.03\00:22:49.23
want to have intimacy with God.
00:22:49.23\00:22:52.23
This is wonderful.
00:22:52.23\00:22:54.10
The danger is that the
contemplative prayer movement
00:22:54.10\00:22:58.56
has adopted eastern mysticism
techniques as a means of
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trying to get closer to
God, and these are very, very
00:23:04.10\00:23:06.83
dangerous and I don't believe
for one moment that it is
00:23:06.83\00:23:11.66
God's will that you use
pagan Hindu mystical meditation
00:23:11.66\00:23:16.83
techniques as a means of
getting closer to the God of
00:23:16.83\00:23:19.53
the Bible.
00:23:19.53\00:23:20.96
JB: Speaking of the God
of the Bible, Will, are there
00:23:20.96\00:23:22.83
any Biblical principles or
a couple of Bible verses that
00:23:22.83\00:23:25.63
you would recommend as
being guiding principles to help
00:23:25.63\00:23:28.23
people steer clear of
the New Age, new spirituality
00:23:28.23\00:23:32.86
corruptions and stay close
to Jesus in this troubled world?
00:23:32.86\00:23:36.23
WB: What comes to my mind
is the way Jesus lived, and the
00:23:36.23\00:23:40.53
spirituality that Jesus had.
00:23:40.53\00:23:42.13
In all the dialogue that
Jesus had with the Pharisees
00:23:42.13\00:23:46.96
and the Sadducees and
the priests, He constantly
00:23:46.96\00:23:50.33
referred to the
Scriptures, constantly.
00:23:50.33\00:23:53.50
He would say "It is written."
00:23:53.50\00:23:56.50
If we want to know God,
we can know God through the
00:23:56.50\00:24:02.43
Scriptures.
00:24:02.43\00:24:04.23
JB: If we stand on the
Word of God, we are always going
00:24:04.23\00:24:07.80
to be okay, aren't we?
00:24:07.80\00:24:09.43
WB: Absolutely, yes.
00:24:09.43\00:24:10.73
JB: Will Barron, you wrote
this marvelous book Deceived
00:24:10.73\00:24:13.33
by the New Age.
00:24:13.33\00:24:15.20
I am very thankful for it.
00:24:15.20\00:24:16.23
I am thankful that it has
helped many people find their
00:24:16.23\00:24:18.63
way out of the New Age, out
of what today we call the new
00:24:18.63\00:24:22.23
spirituality and to Jesus.
00:24:22.23\00:24:23.73
I am thankful for what God
has done in your life and I
00:24:23.73\00:24:25.63
am very, very thankful
that you have been here today to
00:24:25.63\00:24:28.66
share with people
watching It Is Written.
00:24:28.66\00:24:31.33
It's wonderful what
God has done for you.
00:24:31.33\00:24:34.36
Thank you very much.
00:24:34.36\00:24:35.50
WB: Thank you.
00:24:35.50\00:24:36.30
JB: I'd like to encourage
you to go to out website,
00:24:36.30\00:24:38.23
itiswritten.com, where you
will find additional material
00:24:38.23\00:24:40.76
from Will Barron, material
that we have not had time to
00:24:40.76\00:24:42.30
include in today's program,
and also remember, this is
00:24:42.30\00:24:44.66
Part 2 of the two part series.
00:24:44.66\00:24:46.80
Part 1 can be
seen at our website
00:24:46.80\00:24:48.66
itiswritten.com/television.
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Today we've been taking
about a very important topic.
00:24:52.10\00:24:55.23
Something that
affects many, many people.
00:24:55.23\00:24:56.83
Something that is
confronting Christianity today.
00:24:56.83\00:24:59.93
Will, thanks for joining us.
00:24:59.93\00:25:00.76
But what I know, before
we go, there are many people
00:25:00.76\00:25:03.06
that are wanting us and
needing us to pray for them
00:25:03.06\00:25:05.66
right now, and ask for God's
special power to be delivered
00:25:05.66\00:25:08.96
from the New Age, or
that family members might be
00:25:08.96\00:25:11.06
delivered, as you
were, by the grace of God.
00:25:11.06\00:25:13.86
Let's pray together, can we?
00:25:13.86\00:25:17.26
Our Father in heaven,
we thank you for that great
00:25:17.26\00:25:19.10
promise in the Bible.
00:25:19.10\00:25:19.66
It says "Greater is he that
is in you than he that is in
00:25:19.66\00:25:21.06
the world."
00:25:21.06\00:25:22.00
I pray that you would guide
us, guide us on a clear path,
00:25:22.00\00:25:23.66
a safe path, on the narrow
path that avoids the pitfalls
00:25:23.66\00:25:26.66
and the potholes of this
new spirituality or the New Age
00:25:26.66\00:25:32.70
movement.
00:25:32.70\00:25:33.80
Certainly there are things
that you can bring into our
00:25:33.80\00:25:37.30
lives to deepen our
relationship with you.
00:25:37.30\00:25:39.16
But I pray that you will keep
us from the bad, keep us from
00:25:39.16\00:25:42.80
the dangerous.
00:25:42.80\00:25:44.40
I know that right now there
are people saying Lord, "free
00:25:44.40\00:25:46.70
me, freedom, Lord" and there
are people who are crying out
00:25:46.70\00:25:49.90
"Lord, free my son or my
daughter, free my brother or
00:25:49.90\00:25:53.73
my sister, and let your
power work in those lives.
00:25:53.73\00:25:55.73
We thank you that
we can be sure in you.
00:25:55.73\00:25:58.20
Keep us please.
00:25:58.20\00:26:00.26
Preserve us until
the coming of Jesus.
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We ask you in Jesus' name, amen.
00:26:02.73\00:26:07.76
The Bible tells us that
there's a battle raging, a
00:26:20.26\00:26:22.33
battle for the
supremacy of planet earth.
00:26:22.33\00:26:26.16
A spiritual battle, and we
are caught in the middle of
00:26:26.16\00:26:27.96
it.
00:26:27.96\00:26:29.03
But God hasn't left us to
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00:26:29.03\00:26:31.36
our own.
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