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With me today, a special guest.
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We're talking about The New
Age movement and how New Age
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practices and principles have
infiltrated Christianity today.
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With me, Best-Selling Author,
Will Barron, who has extensive
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experience in the
things of the New Age.
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Will, thanks for
joining me today.
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WB: It's a pleasure to be here.
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JB: Explain for me, if
you would, in broad terms
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or narrow terms,
however you wish, what's the
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New Age movement.
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WB: Well the New Age
movement was a new spirituality
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that was introduced primarily
from the theosophical society,
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founded in 1875 by a
Russian mystic called
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Madame Blavatsky.
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She was a medium.
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She communicated with
spirit beings that she believed
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were from God.
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And I personally
started getting involved in this
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movement through
psychology and through self-help
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psychology, later through
professional psychologists
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and I migrated over,
then, into Eastern Mysticism.
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I was practicing Yoga,
Eastern meditation, studying
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the occult, astrology,
numerology, many of these
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different topics that
are very popular today.
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JB: Let me go fast-forward
and then fast backward.
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I want to at least come
forward from where you were.
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You were a New Age Priest.
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Is that correct?
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WB: That is correct, yes.
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JB: But you had been
raised in a Christian home.
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WB: That is correct, yes.
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JB: Okay, okay.
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So, first thing that we
are going to point out here is
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that it's possible even for
Christians to get tied up in
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really satanic
New Age practices.
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WB: Absolutely.
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JB: How did it
happen in your life?
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WB: Even though I was a
Christian, brought up in
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a Christian family, I didn't
have any close relationship
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with Jesus Christ.
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I believed that I was saved
and I believed that through
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church attendance and through
this belief in Jesus that
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everything would be fine
but in terms of my lifestyle and
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my activities, I was
not studying the Bible.
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I did pray, but not
really diligently, and I was
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fascinated by occult movies
and somehow, inside of me,
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I was captivated by the
mystical and the occult.
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And somehow paranormal
phenomena had an interest
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that was precipitated inside
of me and I started reading
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books on the occult, on
out-of-body experiences,
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reading books on reincarnation
and gradually, over the years,
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I finally severed all
connection with christianity
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and started getting
involved in the occult.
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JB: Now what's interesting
is that a lot of people will say
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there's no harm in
watching these movies.
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I mean, there are loads of
Christians, as you well know,
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who watch occult themed
movies thinking that they are
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watching something
that is essentially harmless
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because it's not real.
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You would say it's not harmless.
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WB: I would say it's not
harmless because it is real.
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These movies are portraying
real power that is ultimately
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coming from Satan.
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And by people watching these
movies, the fascination with
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the occult is implanted
inside of them and sooner or
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later they will gravitate
away from the fiction of the
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movies to the real world of
the occult and that is exactly
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what happened to me.
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JB: Take this a
little bit further.
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You started getting involved
in reading, watching and now
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you said they started
to take over your life.
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What happened?
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WB: Basically, in my mid
20's, I started to realize that
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I was depressed in my
life and I was running out of
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options, where to get
excitement, where to get
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fulfillment.
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I had pretty good jobs,
but it seemed to me that there
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was something missing and
I was basically depressed.
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And I had certain problems also.
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Problems in relationships,
problems with addictions and
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I realized I needed some
kind of power outside of myself
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that would bring solutions
to my life and that would bring
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contentment.
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I always felt there was a
mystical dimension to life, a
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spiritual dimension.
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I didn't know where to find it.
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I felt that traditional
Christianity was not the
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answer.
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And so I started, then,
looking to Eastern mysticism,
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to New Age psychics, to
mystical power, and certainly
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there was power in the New Age.
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A lot more power than
in psychology, but it is
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unfortunately a
deceptive and Satanic power.
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JB: In just a moment, I
will be asking Will some further
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questions about where his
life went in his involvement
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with the New Age movement and
then we will be talking about
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how the New Age movement
has come into Christianity and
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might even be
affecting your life.
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Today, the New Age movement
infiltrating Christianity.
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I'm speaking with
best-selling author,
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Will Barron, who has been
on television and held hundreds
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of seminars around the world
on the subject of the New Age
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and its
infiltration into Christianity.
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He speaks from
experience, having once been a
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New Age priest.
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Well, a couple of moments ago
you talked about how you were
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drawn into and fascinated
by occult themes and the things
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of the New Age.
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Where did that eventually lead
your life or, let me ask you
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this, when did you
start getting involved
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as a New Age priest?
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WB: Well you don't
start out as a New Age priest.
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I just started out as someone
that was looking for solutions
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to my depression.
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I went and had a
psychic reading and this psychic
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had tremendous power.
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She was able to describe
in intimate detail people that
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I had been associated with
and certain aspects of my life
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and she invited me to attend
classes in that center and
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I was so intrigued with
what was to me real psychic
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ability that I started
attending these classes,
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I started to learn how
to practice transcendental
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meditation, how to
communicate with spirit guides,
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how to communicate
with what were called the
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ascended masters, supposedly
God's representatives on
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Planet Earth and I basically
gave myself over to being a
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disciple of a spirit guide
that appeared to me about one
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year after I started attending
classes at this New Age center.
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And this spirit guide
had incredible light, when he
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appeared in this
vision and I believed he was a
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divine being.
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JB: Psychics.
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We sometimes laugh them
off, make jokes about them,
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but they're real, aren't they?
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WB: I would say some
of them are probably not.
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Some of them are there
just to make some money.
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As entertainment.
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Some of them though, that
have spirit guides, that are
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in communication with
what I know believe are Satanic
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angels, evil spirits.
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These evil spirits
have a lot of knowledge.
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They know all about us
and they can communicate
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telepathically this information
into the mind of their
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channeler or a
medium, a psychic reader and
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the psychic reader will
then issue that information,
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communicate it and it sounds
as if they have got tremendous,
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psychic abilities
but I believe now it is
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completely demonic,
satanic and terribly, terribly
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deceptive.
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JB: So people, even Christians,
who might think about
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going and speaking to a
psychic, again, some of them
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may just be phoneys.
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However, what you're
saying (and I believe this to be
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true, of course) in speaking
to one of those people, the
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person visiting the psychic
is simply receiving information
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that comes right
from the Devil himself.
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WB: Absolutely .Yes.
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JB: That cannot be a
safe practice for a Christian.
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WB: Absolutely dangerous.
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Even though it appears to
be truth what is spoken because
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a psychic can narrate
events from your life.
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JB: The point that I think
is very important is what some
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people might just want to
write off as being fantasy
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and fiction is really real.
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What does t his suggest to
us or tell us about the reality
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of the spirit world?
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WB: Absolutely real.
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It is as real as anything
we see in this physical world.
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For people that have
been involved in the occults,
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we know first hand that is
a dimension that exists and
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I believe Satan himself tries
to brainwash the secular world
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into thinking that
Satan does not exist.
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In fact, one of
the major teachings
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of the New Age movement
is that Satan does not exist.
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Therefore, any kind of
mystical experience that you
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have, any kind of channeling
or mediumship practice
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is always within the realm
of that which is God, because if
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Satan doesn't exist, it
must be within the realm of God
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and this is a
terrible, terrible deception.
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JB: Tell me what happened next.
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You started the get
quite deep into this and really
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gave your life to
following these pursuits.
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WB: Yes.
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When I had that visionary
experience where my personal
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spirit guide, who had
the name "Djwhal Khul" --
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I DON'T KNOW, CHECK THIS OUT.
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When he appeared to me in
this incredible vision and
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invited me to become one
of his personal disciples,
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I then gave my life
over to his instructions.
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He would communicate with
me maybe two or three times a
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week, initially,
during the practice of eastern
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transcendental meditation.
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I would hear this voice
inside my mind and it was
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very clear, as if you
were hearing my voice or I'm
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hearing your voice and
he would give me practical
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instructions.
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How to change my life.
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And he then promised me that
I would have a prominent part
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within this New Age movement
to launch this new era, this
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new world order, that the
New Age movement is endeavoring
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to bring about within society
throughout the whole world.
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As a disciple of this spirit
guide, the first two or three
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years felt very blessed.
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There were a lot of exciting
things happening in my life.
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But eventually, that
discipleship relationship
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became absolute slavery.
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A nightmare of slavery
to what I now believe to be
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a demonic spirit.
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JB: So to begin with, what
the spirit guide was telling
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you was helpful and good.
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WB: Very helpful.
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JB: But then it crossed over.
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WB: Yes.
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Yes.
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JB: How did that become onerous.
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WB: Well, for example,
the leader of our new New Age
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center, where I was a
senior board member, launched an
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advertising promotion program
and she invited people to
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make donations from within
the clients of that center
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and when I got back to the
apartment where I was living,
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my spirit guide told me
to immediately send Muriel a
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check for $1,000.00.
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There was a problem.
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I didn't have any money.
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At that time, I could
hold a two way mind to mind
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telepathic communication
with this spirit guide and so I
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asked the spirit guide,
"where am I going to get the
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money from"?
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And he said "use your
MasterCard" And I recall that
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I did have MasterCard checks
that had bee mailed to me and
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so I wrote out
one of these checks.
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Here I am.
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I have no money and I write
out a check for $1,000 on my
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MasterCard and mailed it
then to the New Age center's
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leader.
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Two days later, my spirit
guide spoke to me again and
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congratulated me on my
obedience to his instruction
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but he said
"that's not enough money.
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You need now to send
another check for $2,000.00."
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At that point,
I was very afraid.
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I thought, perhaps I'm getting
involved in some kind of cult.
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But there was no escape.
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The spirit guide was hounding
me and demanding me that
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I send that money and I
felt terrible depression, worse
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depression than the clinical
depression that I used to
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experience prior to
getting involved in the New Age.
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Finally, the depression was
so bad I felt I had to choose
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suicide or choose obedience.
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There was no intermediate
ground because I felt so bad.
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I wrote out one of
these MasterCard checks for
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$2,000.00.
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As soon as the envelope
with that check dropped in the
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mailbox, the depression
lifted instantly and of course,
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the forced
donation didn't stop there.
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Another three days later,
the spirit guide came back and
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said, "this time, I need
you to send another check,
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this time for $3,000.00."
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This is the beginning of what
I called the New Age nightmare.
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Total slavery to a demonic
spirit and there was no way
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I could get out of
that, of my own strength.
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This satanic spirit had
more power than I had and
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I was trapped.
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JB: I've read the story about
your encounter with the demonic
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spirit and the
donations in your book
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Deceived by the New Age, a
powerful book, a best-selling
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book, and you've talked
about this book on television
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networks across the United
States and around the world.
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In just a moment, let's
talk about how you managed
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to get out of there.
00:14:03.60\00:14:04.53
Because right now, there
is no way out for Will Barron,
00:14:04.53\00:14:08.66
but evidently there was
and we'll find out how Will
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managed to get out of
the New Age movement in just
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a moment.
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God says"It is written 'Man
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I'm John Bradshaw.
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This is It Is Written and
with me, best-selling author
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and former New Age
priest, Will Barron.
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JB: Will, a moment ago
you were talking about how you
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were getting deeper
and deeper and deeper
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in the New Age movement.
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Now the spirit guide was making
demands on you that you were
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starting to feel were terrible.
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From where we are in the
story, I don't see the way out
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so tell me what happened next.
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WB: Before I was rescued
from New Age, the deception got
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even deeper.
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Our new age center was
run by a psychic called Muriel
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"Isis".
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Well known professional
psychic in Los Angeles.
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She said that our New Age
center was no longer going to
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come under the supervision
of the ascended Master,
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Djwhal Khulįį which was my
personal spirit guide and her
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personal spirit guide.
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She had own been visited
by Jesus Christ and that Jesus
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Christ was now taking over
our center and we needed to
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change into a
Christian church organization.
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I was astounded that
this would happen because in
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sentiment, I was
somewhat anti-Christian.
00:16:05.30\00:16:07.26
And Muriel, the founder
and director now started giving
00:16:07.26\00:16:09.26
Bible study classes, we
started holding some morning
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worship services.
00:16:11.53\00:16:13.10
JB: Real Bible studies classes?
00:16:13.10\00:16:14.70
Studying the book of John
and how Jesus treated people
00:16:14.70\00:16:17.80
and Bible doctrines?
00:16:17.80\00:16:19.53
WB: Well, we were studying
the Bible but Muriel would
00:16:19.53\00:16:24.06
give the mystical or
esoteric explanation of certain
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doctrines within the
Bible, so it was not quite your
00:16:29.90\00:16:34.56
typical conventional
Christianity, but we called
00:16:34.56\00:16:37.60
ourselves New Age christians.
00:16:37.60\00:16:39.90
We still practiced
transcendental meditation, we
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still had astrology
classes and numerology classes.
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We still
practiced holistic health.
00:16:51.10\00:16:52.76
We were still channeling, but
instead of channeling various
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ascended masters, we
were now channeling only Jesus
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the Christ.
00:17:03.50\00:17:04.36
And this Jesus, who was not
the real Jesus Christ, it was
00:17:04.36\00:17:06.13
the other Jesus the
Apostle Paul talks about in 2
00:17:06.13\00:17:08.26
Corinthians 11, this
other Jesus, this counterfeit
00:17:08.26\00:17:10.76
Jesus, this fake Jesus
started taking over our center.
00:17:10.76\00:17:15.26
And for the next two
years, now believed that I was a
00:17:15.26\00:17:19.43
follower of Jesus Christ.
00:17:19.43\00:17:21.36
I even underwent
immersion baptism.
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I even was speaking in
tongues, but it was all
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counterfeit with a very
specific mission of introducing
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new age
techniques and teachings into
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Christian churches.
00:17:36.56\00:17:38.43
JB: Teachings such as what?
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WB: My new spirit guide,
who called himself Jesus Christ,
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the mission that he gave
me was to infiltrate regular
00:17:45.20\00:17:50.26
Christian churches and to
try to find people that would be
00:17:50.26\00:17:54.53
interested in practicing
what we called Christian
00:17:54.53\00:17:58.26
meditation, which was
basically New Age Eastern
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Transcendental Meditation,
just given a Christian name,
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and so I was told to infiltrate
different evangelical and
00:18:07.36\00:18:11.90
mainline churches and
start meditation groups in those
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churches.
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JB: Were you successful?
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WB: I was not because it
was only a few weeks after
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that new mission that in a
miracle, I was actually rescued
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from the New Age deception.
00:18:24.60\00:18:26.93
JB: Well, I want to get
to that but I want to follow
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this thought
here a little further.
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So what you are saying
is that there are Christian
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churches across the fruited
plain who are accepting into
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their fellowship and into
their practices ideas that
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they think are Christian and
are going to help them in their
00:18:40.83\00:18:42.93
Christian growth but in
actual fact, the idea is that
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they are accepting an out
and out New Age spiritualism.
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WB: Yes, there was a
pastor of one quite sizable
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evangelical church and
I believe this is a good
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church, who literally
invited me to start a meditation
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group in his church.
00:18:59.93\00:19:01.76
JB: And this
infiltration is deliberate?
00:19:01.76\00:19:04.26
WB: Absolutely
deliberate, yes, yes.
00:19:04.26\00:19:06.76
People who were controlled
by evil spirits like myself
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were given instructions
and commands from their spirit
00:19:10.83\00:19:14.23
guides to infiltrate Christian
churches, to go to worship
00:19:14.23\00:19:17.86
services, to attend Bible study
groups, to attend home study
00:19:17.86\00:19:22.13
groups, to make friends
with Christians and to basically
00:19:22.13\00:19:25.76
feel out for people that
might be interested in this
00:19:25.76\00:19:28.93
type of mystical Christianity.
00:19:28.93\00:19:31.16
JB: Somebody gets a
flyer in their mail.
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It's the XYZ Church on the
corner, and they are offering
00:19:33.90\00:19:38.86
classes in Christian
meditation of Christian Yoga.
00:19:38.86\00:19:43.23
They get this flyer in
the mail, and they say "Oh,
00:19:43.23\00:19:46.83
that could be interesting."
00:19:46.83\00:19:47.66
You get that flyer in
the mail, and you say "I know
00:19:47.66\00:19:50.70
just what this is."
00:19:50.70\00:19:51.80
WB: Yes.
00:19:51.80\00:19:53.40
Now today we are finding
a lot of New Age mystical
00:19:53.40\00:19:57.56
meditation
techniques infiltrating into the
00:19:57.56\00:20:00.36
Christian church.
00:20:00.36\00:20:02.30
JB: These things are not
harmless, that are coming
00:20:02.30\00:20:04.70
into Christianity.
00:20:04.70\00:20:05.86
They are not harmless.
00:20:05.86\00:20:06.60
You'd say they are not harmless.
00:20:06.60\00:20:08.36
WB: They're
absolutely dangerous.
00:20:08.36\00:20:10.26
JB: Okay, we are going to talk
more about those in a moment.
00:20:10.26\00:20:13.16
But for now, you were giving
the mission of bringing some of
00:20:13.16\00:20:14.96
these things into Christianity
but you were rescued.
00:20:14.96\00:20:17.70
WB: Yes.
00:20:17.70\00:20:18.66
JB: Okay, how?
00:20:18.66\00:20:19.66
WB: When our New Age center
converted into a Christian
00:20:19.66\00:20:23.20
church, I started to
study the Bible and I started to
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visit Christian bookstores.
00:20:26.60\00:20:29.06
I needed to know how to
communicate with Christians.
00:20:29.06\00:20:32.73
I needed to know what they
were teaching and my spirit
00:20:32.73\00:20:36.03
guide encouraged me to
study some of the teachings
00:20:36.03\00:20:39.43
of Christianity.
00:20:39.43\00:20:41.90
And the amazing thing is as
I visited Christian bookstores,
00:20:41.90\00:20:46.20
as I started studying the
Bible, as I started reading
00:20:46.20\00:20:49.23
Christian books, a point
came iny life where the real
00:20:49.23\00:20:53.20
Holy Spirit interceded in my
life and my parents were very
00:20:53.20\00:20:57.70
dedicated Christians.
00:20:57.70\00:21:00.20
They had been praying for
me for 16 years and the Holy
00:21:00.20\00:21:04.96
Spirit saw an opportunity
and rescued me from that
00:21:04.96\00:21:08.53
terrible deception.
00:21:08.53\00:21:09.50
I had what you might call a
true enlightenment where the
00:21:09.50\00:21:13.06
Holy Spirit just opened my
eyes and my heart to the truth
00:21:13.06\00:21:17.00
that I was a slave of demonic
spirits, and that what we
00:21:17.00\00:21:21.20
were teaching in this New Age
Christianity was not the same
00:21:21.20\00:21:24.80
as is clearly
taught in the Bible.
00:21:24.80\00:21:26.90
It is a gospel of
the antichrist and I was
00:21:26.90\00:21:29.53
delivered and rescued
from that terrible deception.
00:21:29.53\00:21:33.26
JB: Was it easy to get out?
00:21:33.26\00:21:34.30
Was it just a matter
of walking out the door?
00:21:34.30\00:21:36.66
WB: No.
00:21:36.66\00:21:37.40
Absolutely no.
00:21:37.40\00:21:38.06
JB: What did you go
through in getting out?
00:21:38.06\00:21:39.80
WB: In my mind, I knew the
New Age was deception, that
00:21:39.80\00:21:45.06
it was Satanic, that it
was not compatible with the
00:21:45.06\00:21:47.43
Bible, I knew that in my mind.
00:21:47.43\00:21:50.56
But the Satanic spirits would
still manipulate my emotions
00:21:50.56\00:21:55.13
and manipulate
especially my thinking.
00:21:55.13\00:21:58.30
They would speak into my
mind tormenting thoughts,
00:21:58.30\00:22:02.23
chastising thoughts,
and it was a struggle
00:22:02.23\00:22:05.33
for five years.
00:22:05.33\00:22:06.73
JB: Five years?
00:22:06.73\00:22:07.63
WB: Yes, yes.
00:22:07.63\00:22:09.26
JB: But how do
you get out of that?
00:22:09.26\00:22:12.10
Do you will your way out?
00:22:12.10\00:22:13.80
Do you weight it out or is
there something that somebody
00:22:13.80\00:22:15.66
is going through this kind
of torment or pressure, needs
00:22:15.66\00:22:18.70
prayer of fasting, is
it the laying on of hands?
00:22:18.70\00:22:22.03
What do you go
through to get out?
00:22:22.03\00:22:24.53
WB: I would say primarily you
need to study the Word of God
00:22:24.53\00:22:28.10
to be anchored in truth
so that no matter what these
00:22:28.10\00:22:32.13
voices in your mind from
demonic spirits are telling
00:22:32.13\00:22:36.03
you, you can always respond
as Jesus did, IT IS WRITTEN
00:22:36.03\00:22:40.70
so that you cannot be
deceived on the intellectual
00:22:40.70\00:22:43.23
level.
00:22:43.23\00:22:44.56
On the emotional level
and this Satanic voice level,
00:22:44.56\00:22:51.06
you just have to ignore it.
00:22:51.06\00:22:52.56
It is a matter of faith.
00:22:52.56\00:22:54.13
By faith, you move
forward and you ignore all these
00:22:54.13\00:22:57.63
demonic spirits and I
found that singing also helps,
00:22:57.63\00:23:02.50
to sing Christian songs
or praise music seem to drive
00:23:02.50\00:23:05.63
demons away and also
prayer, dedicated prayer.
00:23:05.63\00:23:10.63
Being part of the Christian
fellowship is very, very
00:23:10.63\00:23:13.36
important, and after 5 years
these demons pretty much left
00:23:13.36\00:23:17.66
me alone and I praise God
for that deliverance because
00:23:17.66\00:23:21.33
I was rescued from a
terrible, terrible nightmare
00:23:21.33\00:23:24.63
of depression.
00:23:24.63\00:23:25.86
JB: Praise God for his goodness.
00:23:25.86\00:23:28.50
A couple of
things come to mind now.
00:23:28.50\00:23:31.53
There are people watching
who are saying "So there's hope
00:23:31.53\00:23:33.83
for my son or my daughter.
00:23:33.83\00:23:35.36
WB: Absolutely, yes.
00:23:35.36\00:23:36.73
JB: And there is
someone watching who is saying
00:23:36.73\00:23:39.00
"so there's hope for me."
00:23:39.00\00:23:39.80
WB: Absolutely.
00:23:39.80\00:23:41.16
JB: So there is a way out.
00:23:41.16\00:23:42.26
You can be held here in chains.
00:23:42.26\00:23:45.13
WB: Yes.
00:23:45.13\00:23:46.46
JB: But there is a way out.
00:23:46.46\00:23:47.66
WB: I think I was as deeply
enslaved by spirits as you
00:23:47.66\00:23:52.03
can get without being insane,
as deeply enslaved, but the
00:23:52.03\00:23:56.43
power of the Holy Spirit, the
power of God is stronger than
00:23:56.43\00:23:59.96
that of Satan and Satan
has to relinquish that power,
00:23:59.96\00:24:03.90
when the power of the
Holy Spirit is at work,
00:24:03.90\00:24:06.66
but it's not easy.
00:24:06.66\00:24:07.93
The best thing - don't
get involved with the New Age
00:24:07.93\00:24:10.53
paraphernalia to begin with
but if you are, there's hope
00:24:10.53\00:24:12.80
and if there are parents
watching this program, and
00:24:12.80\00:24:16.13
their sons or daughters or
grandsons or granddaughters
00:24:16.13\00:24:19.83
are involved in New
Age, they need to pray,
00:24:19.83\00:24:23.50
if necessary, for 16
years like my parents did.
00:24:23.50\00:24:26.53
If necessary, longer than
16 years, but God looks for an
00:24:26.53\00:24:30.60
opportunity and he works
a miracle of deliverance.
00:24:30.60\00:24:34.60
JB: Will Barron, thank
you very much for being a part
00:24:34.60\00:24:36.56
of today's program.
00:24:36.56\00:24:37.46
WB: Thank you for the
opportunity to be here.
00:24:37.46\00:24:39.63
JB: You have written a
magnificent book and you have
00:24:39.63\00:24:42.03
given a lot of people
a couple of things today.
00:24:42.03\00:24:44.63
Light - this thing is real.
00:24:44.63\00:24:47.26
These spirits and their
deceptions are very, very
00:24:47.26\00:24:50.60
real and we are being
targeted, Christians are
00:24:50.60\00:24:54.36
being targeted.
00:24:54.36\00:24:54.96
You have helped us to know
the safest thing is just to
00:24:54.96\00:24:56.73
stay away and there is a way
out for those who are deceived.
00:24:56.73\00:24:58.43
WB: Yes.
00:24:58.43\00:24:59.56
JB: Thank you very much
for that encouragement today.
00:24:59.56\00:25:01.96
We must pray and ask
God's blessing on so many people
00:25:01.96\00:25:04.06
who have been affected
by this New Age deception.
00:25:04.06\00:25:07.60
Let's pray together.
00:25:07.60\00:25:09.46
Our Father in heaven, we
are grateful today that Jesus is
00:25:09.46\00:25:11.70
a mighty Saviour
and a great deliverer.
00:25:11.70\00:25:16.86
And we thank you that Satan's
plans need not triumph in the
00:25:16.86\00:25:19.46
life of any one person
who might call out to you for
00:25:19.46\00:25:23.60
help and grace.
00:25:23.60\00:25:24.56
Father, I pray for
those, pray for family members
00:25:24.56\00:25:27.33
who are caught up
in this terrible web.
00:25:27.33\00:25:29.83
And I pray for those who
themselves are stuck in this
00:25:29.83\00:25:31.90
place and know
they ought not be there.
00:25:31.90\00:25:36.13
Let there be special grace
and blessing and my people,
00:25:36.13\00:25:40.46
like Will, find their way out
of the New Age and find their
00:25:40.46\00:25:44.06
way to Jesus Christ.
00:25:44.06\00:25:46.00
We thank you and we
pray in Jesus' name, amen.
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There's so much more to
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this week.
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I hope that you will join
me next time as I speak to
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Will Barron again about
the way the New Age movement
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has infiltrated
christianity in very real ways.
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Until then, remember
Man shall not live by bread
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alone, but by every word that
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