The following program discusses sensitive issues 00:00:01.36\00:00:03.16 related to sexuality. 00:00:03.20\00:00:05.10 Parents are cautioned this presentation 00:00:05.13\00:00:07.67 may be too candid for younger audiences. 00:00:07.70\00:00:10.14 Welcome to Intimate Clarity. 00:00:31.19\00:00:32.53 I am Jason Bradley, 00:00:32.56\00:00:33.90 and I'm here with Jennifer Jill Schwirzer. 00:00:33.93\00:00:35.40 She is a licensed professional counselor. 00:00:35.43\00:00:38.07 And today, we're going to be discussing a sensitive topic, 00:00:38.10\00:00:41.34 but it's a conversation we need to have. 00:00:41.37\00:00:45.27 Jen, are the differences between male and female 00:00:45.31\00:00:48.48 just physical, are they psychological, 00:00:48.51\00:00:51.05 are they emotional? 00:00:51.08\00:00:52.68 What are they? What are the differences? 00:00:52.71\00:00:54.05 Good question. 00:00:54.08\00:00:55.42 Well, I talked previously about the fact 00:00:55.45\00:00:57.99 that when God created us, it says in Genesis 1:27 00:00:58.02\00:01:02.02 that, "God created man in his own image, 00:01:02.06\00:01:04.26 male and female created He them." 00:01:04.29\00:01:05.79 So right there in that verse, we see this wonderful paradox 00:01:05.83\00:01:09.10 that God created both genders good 00:01:09.13\00:01:12.33 because everything God creates is good. 00:01:12.37\00:01:13.90 So both sexes are good. 00:01:13.94\00:01:15.77 But they're also different. 00:01:15.80\00:01:17.27 So they're equal in goodness, 00:01:17.31\00:01:19.37 but they're different in the way that they function. 00:01:19.41\00:01:22.34 And that's an important paradox and attention 00:01:22.38\00:01:24.38 that we need to hold. 00:01:24.41\00:01:26.08 So in regards to the differences, 00:01:26.11\00:01:29.62 there are kind of two extremes we can go to. 00:01:29.65\00:01:32.75 I think historically, we've gone to the extreme sometimes 00:01:32.79\00:01:37.33 of accentuating the differences too much 00:01:37.36\00:01:40.93 or stereotyping the differences. 00:01:40.96\00:01:43.00 So a girl's a little more of a tomboy, 00:01:43.03\00:01:46.20 and she's told she's acting like a boy. 00:01:46.23\00:01:49.07 You know, she loves sports, she loves building, 00:01:49.10\00:01:51.27 she likes being with her daddy and working on, 00:01:51.31\00:01:53.44 you know, whatever, and she's told 00:01:53.48\00:01:55.28 she's being too much like a boy. 00:01:55.31\00:01:56.64 I don't think that's a wise thing to do. 00:01:56.68\00:01:59.21 You've got to let that child have 00:01:59.25\00:02:00.58 a certain amount of individuality within their sex 00:02:00.62\00:02:03.82 and within the typical behaviors that are, 00:02:03.85\00:02:06.25 you know, characteristic of that sex. 00:02:06.29\00:02:08.06 Little boy, you know, is born and he grows up as a child, 00:02:08.09\00:02:11.13 and he just sort of shows 00:02:11.16\00:02:12.49 a little more feminine attributes, 00:02:12.53\00:02:14.53 he likes art and he likes playing with dolls 00:02:14.56\00:02:16.83 and he's a little more feminine. 00:02:16.87\00:02:18.43 I don't think it's wise to tell that little boy 00:02:18.47\00:02:21.10 that there's something wrong with him because of that. 00:02:21.14\00:02:23.44 I think we have to leave some room. 00:02:23.47\00:02:24.94 So over-stereotyping is a problem 00:02:24.97\00:02:26.74 and it has actually set us up for the transgender movement 00:02:26.78\00:02:29.44 where if a little boy is told, 00:02:29.48\00:02:30.81 "Well, you're acting like a girl," 00:02:30.85\00:02:32.18 he starts to think he's a girl in a boy's body. 00:02:32.21\00:02:35.78 So where do you find that balance 00:02:35.82\00:02:37.75 because it's like if you let to allow 00:02:37.79\00:02:40.22 that behavior to go on kind of thing, 00:02:40.26\00:02:42.69 then it could still develop into that transgender. 00:02:42.72\00:02:45.56 I would say not stereotyping and not overreacting 00:02:45.59\00:02:48.46 to maybe feminine traits in a boy 00:02:48.50\00:02:50.37 or masculine traits in a girl, 00:02:50.40\00:02:51.73 but then, you know, you are kind of pulling them 00:02:51.77\00:02:53.27 toward their biological sex, 00:02:53.30\00:02:56.44 and, you know, acculturating them to their biological sex 00:02:56.47\00:02:59.67 and maybe teaching them some things, 00:02:59.71\00:03:01.34 toughen the boy up a little 00:03:01.38\00:03:02.94 and help the girl be a little more ladylike. 00:03:02.98\00:03:05.55 And I'm going to get into more detail about that later, 00:03:05.58\00:03:07.62 but I think that's one extreme is over-stereotyping the sexes. 00:03:07.65\00:03:11.72 The other extreme is thinking that the only differences 00:03:11.75\00:03:15.56 are the obvious anatomical differences. 00:03:15.59\00:03:19.33 You know, you just have different parts than I do 00:03:19.36\00:03:23.00 and it ends there. 00:03:23.03\00:03:24.43 I think that's naive. 00:03:24.47\00:03:26.30 There are some general differences, 00:03:26.33\00:03:28.14 and it's really kind of fun to look at them. 00:03:28.17\00:03:30.91 I thank God that... 00:03:30.94\00:03:32.27 We were made different. Yeah. 00:03:32.31\00:03:34.34 And there are people that put together materials 00:03:34.38\00:03:36.98 that have to deal with the differences 00:03:37.01\00:03:38.35 and they are without exception very entertaining, 00:03:38.38\00:03:40.28 very enlightening. 00:03:40.32\00:03:41.65 And let me just give you some examples. 00:03:41.68\00:03:43.02 John Gray back in the 1990s wrote a book called 00:03:43.05\00:03:45.62 "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus," 00:03:45.65\00:03:47.76 sold millions of copies that really hit a nerve. 00:03:47.79\00:03:50.46 So the other one is 00:03:50.49\00:03:52.86 "Men Are Like Waffles, Women Are Spaghetti" 00:03:52.89\00:03:55.10 because men are so compartmentalizing 00:03:55.13\00:03:56.56 women, everything touches everything else. 00:03:56.60\00:03:59.10 There's other ones, there is one 00:03:59.13\00:04:02.00 "Women are like the remote control, 00:04:02.04\00:04:03.84 men can't figure out how they work 00:04:03.87\00:04:05.61 but they keep pressing their buttons" 00:04:05.64\00:04:07.94 and "Men are like zip lock bags, 00:04:07.98\00:04:10.71 they hold everything in 00:04:10.75\00:04:12.08 but you can still see straight through them." 00:04:12.11\00:04:14.45 Those aren't real books, but, you know what I am saying? 00:04:14.48\00:04:16.69 There's a lot of things we can do that mention 00:04:16.72\00:04:19.69 the differences that really bring a lot of humor 00:04:19.72\00:04:21.92 and I don't think we should 00:04:21.96\00:04:23.69 completely disallow those things. 00:04:23.73\00:04:27.00 So I think we should avoid stereotypes, 00:04:27.03\00:04:28.96 you know what I mean by that? 00:04:29.00\00:04:30.33 We don't want to go too far 00:04:30.37\00:04:31.70 and not leave enough room for individual expression. 00:04:31.73\00:04:33.74 But then I think we can embrace generalities, 00:04:33.77\00:04:36.57 and I think they're good things. 00:04:36.60\00:04:38.87 So let me give you some examples 00:04:38.91\00:04:41.61 of how that works in a parenting context, okay? 00:04:41.64\00:04:44.85 We can see the differences at work. 00:04:44.88\00:04:47.55 In many realms, 00:04:47.58\00:04:48.92 but in particular in the family realm, 00:04:48.95\00:04:51.12 women are more naturally gifted to attune 00:04:51.15\00:04:54.66 to other people in general. 00:04:54.69\00:04:57.09 So women have these finely tuned attuned abilities, 00:04:57.13\00:05:01.03 they can read people very, very well. 00:05:01.06\00:05:03.16 A woman's intuition, that kind of thing? 00:05:03.20\00:05:04.67 That's right, that's right. 00:05:04.70\00:05:06.27 They read body language better than men. 00:05:06.30\00:05:08.74 They read facial expression better than men. 00:05:08.77\00:05:11.17 And this is by the way been tested scientifically, 00:05:11.21\00:05:14.01 and it's come up again and again. 00:05:14.04\00:05:15.38 Women are just good at reading people 00:05:15.41\00:05:17.28 and knowing what people need. 00:05:17.31\00:05:18.85 So which of the mother and father is better set up 00:05:18.88\00:05:22.08 to try to interpret the needs of a being that can't talk? 00:05:22.12\00:05:26.65 The mother. 00:05:26.69\00:05:28.02 That's her little baby 00:05:28.06\00:05:29.39 and she does a very good job of figuring out 00:05:29.42\00:05:30.89 what's wrong and how to help the baby. 00:05:30.93\00:05:33.09 Women feed babies from their own bodies. 00:05:33.13\00:05:35.66 I've never known a man 00:05:35.70\00:05:37.23 that's been able to do that yet. 00:05:37.27\00:05:39.10 Again, one of the differences 00:05:39.13\00:05:41.07 that I'm very thankful for, Jen. 00:05:41.10\00:05:42.84 I'm thankful for that. You can have that. 00:05:42.87\00:05:45.61 I don't know like it's so awesome. 00:05:45.64\00:05:48.24 I breastfed two babies, and it's just wonderful. 00:05:48.28\00:05:50.48 I've often been with my husband 00:05:50.51\00:05:52.15 put my head on his chest and I've said 00:05:52.18\00:05:53.65 "Whoa to the paps that never gave suck," you know? 00:05:53.68\00:05:56.15 But seriously because it's just... 00:05:56.18\00:05:57.52 It was a wonderful privilege. 00:05:57.55\00:05:58.99 A women can feed children from their bodies, 00:05:59.02\00:06:01.82 and I think this symbolizes the nurturing role 00:06:01.86\00:06:04.99 that women play psychologically and emotionally to children. 00:06:05.03\00:06:08.70 So they will attune to and adapt to the child 00:06:08.73\00:06:12.80 which is especially needed 00:06:12.83\00:06:14.27 in the first three years of life. 00:06:14.30\00:06:16.57 After the first three years of life, 00:06:16.60\00:06:17.94 and I'm talking generalities here again, 00:06:17.97\00:06:20.04 dad becomes a more prominent figure 00:06:20.08\00:06:22.11 in that baby's life, in that child's life 00:06:22.14\00:06:24.75 because dad plays a very important role 00:06:24.78\00:06:26.98 of stretching the child. 00:06:27.02\00:06:28.55 The mother is going to attune to 00:06:28.58\00:06:30.55 and adapt to the child, 00:06:30.59\00:06:32.65 the father is going to stretch the child. 00:06:32.69\00:06:34.32 So little boy comes to mommy, little Tommy comes, 00:06:34.36\00:06:36.89 and he's got a skinned knee and mommy is going to say, 00:06:36.93\00:06:39.79 "Oh, you have a what?" 00:06:39.83\00:06:41.56 A boo-boo, yeah, right? 00:06:41.60\00:06:43.43 She's going to talk in his language 00:06:43.47\00:06:45.03 'cause that's what women do so well. 00:06:45.07\00:06:46.84 But the dad's going to say, 00:06:46.87\00:06:48.20 "Oh you have a skinny knee, let's go fishing." 00:06:48.24\00:06:49.77 And he's not going to attune to the child as much, 00:06:49.80\00:06:52.07 he is not going to adapt to the child as much. 00:06:52.11\00:06:53.98 But he's going to stretch the child. 00:06:54.01\00:06:55.74 The child needs to be stretched. 00:06:55.78\00:06:57.78 But the child also needs a parent 00:06:57.81\00:06:59.95 that is going to connect and adapt to them. 00:06:59.98\00:07:02.48 So there's that nurturing component 00:07:02.52\00:07:04.22 and then there's that toughen up, "Let's go out 00:07:04.25\00:07:07.29 and do something else right now." component as well. 00:07:07.32\00:07:11.03 That's right, that's right. The masculinity. 00:07:11.06\00:07:13.23 And each plays their own specific role 00:07:13.26\00:07:16.10 in the life of that child, 00:07:16.13\00:07:17.80 and so what we find by and large in the research 00:07:17.83\00:07:20.90 is that the child does best 00:07:20.94\00:07:23.24 when he has a biological mother and a biological father 00:07:23.27\00:07:27.41 in the home while he's growing up. 00:07:27.44\00:07:28.94 Now I'm not saying that to hurt anyone's feelings 00:07:28.98\00:07:31.48 or to diminish the powerful parenting 00:07:31.51\00:07:35.02 that a single parent or an adoptive parent can do, 00:07:35.05\00:07:38.12 and God is always working with less than ideal. 00:07:38.15\00:07:40.59 But I think in all these things, 00:07:40.62\00:07:41.96 we need to put the ideal where it belongs, 00:07:41.99\00:07:44.86 and the reality is that God created those differences 00:07:44.89\00:07:47.80 because they function well in a world 00:07:47.83\00:07:51.10 where those differences are needed. 00:07:51.13\00:07:53.17 I would like to see more women in political leadership, 00:07:53.20\00:07:56.97 and this is the reason that 00:07:57.01\00:07:58.47 societies where women are in political leadership 00:07:58.51\00:08:01.11 tend to spend less money on war 00:08:01.14\00:08:03.51 and less money on alcohol and more money on education 00:08:03.55\00:08:07.55 and more money on children and meeting nutritional needs. 00:08:07.58\00:08:10.89 That's interesting. 00:08:10.92\00:08:12.25 And wouldn't that figure that women are more nurturing 00:08:12.29\00:08:14.72 so they're going to bring those concerns 00:08:14.76\00:08:16.22 into the political realm as well. 00:08:16.26\00:08:18.89 And I think we've paid a price for having, 00:08:18.93\00:08:20.60 you know, sort of male-dominated societies 00:08:20.63\00:08:22.90 when really a leadership team is better and more rounded 00:08:22.93\00:08:27.44 when there are both male and female influences, 00:08:27.47\00:08:29.44 now they may not serve 00:08:29.47\00:08:30.81 in the exact same capacity of leadership, 00:08:30.84\00:08:33.64 you know, and we can see somewhat of a case for that 00:08:33.68\00:08:36.14 in a church context, there's quite a lot of debate 00:08:36.18\00:08:38.65 as you know about whether women should be 00:08:38.68\00:08:40.15 in leadership in particular in clergy, 00:08:40.18\00:08:44.39 and so we're really debating that very vigorously 00:08:44.42\00:08:48.76 in our church or at least we're in recent history. 00:08:48.79\00:08:51.63 So it may be that women don't play 00:08:51.66\00:08:53.96 the exact same role as men, 00:08:54.00\00:08:56.30 but that shouldn't mean 00:08:56.33\00:08:57.67 that women are excluded entirely from leadership. 00:08:57.70\00:08:59.70 I think everyone pays a dear price for that 00:08:59.73\00:09:03.10 when there's not enough female influence in leadership. 00:09:03.14\00:09:07.01 That's a hill I'm going to die on. 00:09:07.04\00:09:09.14 Maybe not some of the other ones, 00:09:09.18\00:09:10.51 but I'm going to die on that one. 00:09:10.55\00:09:11.88 I like the idea of the balance in the home 00:09:11.91\00:09:14.05 between the male and female, 00:09:14.08\00:09:16.75 you know, having that balance between the nurturing and the, 00:09:16.79\00:09:22.36 you know, "It's going to be okay, 00:09:22.39\00:09:24.86 you're all right, toughen up, 00:09:24.89\00:09:26.86 you're going to face obstacles and hard times or whatever 00:09:26.90\00:09:30.53 and you've got to fight through it," 00:09:30.57\00:09:31.90 you know, I like both of those aspects. 00:09:31.93\00:09:35.37 That's right, and that's God's ideal. 00:09:35.40\00:09:36.91 I think with a lot of issues in life, 00:09:36.94\00:09:38.57 we need to have an ideal 00:09:38.61\00:09:40.94 but we need to realize that God has a design, 00:09:40.98\00:09:44.08 God is the creator, but God is also the Redeemer. 00:09:44.11\00:09:48.75 And so if your life didn't adhere to that design, 00:09:48.78\00:09:55.12 it's not over. 00:09:55.16\00:09:56.56 It's part of the story 00:09:56.59\00:09:58.29 that maybe you didn't grow up in a two parent home, 00:09:58.33\00:10:01.46 maybe you grew up in a single parent home, 00:10:01.50\00:10:03.20 maybe you grew up in an adoptive home, 00:10:03.23\00:10:04.57 maybe you're in the foster system, 00:10:04.60\00:10:05.93 that's part of the story 00:10:05.97\00:10:07.40 and it's going to have an effect on you, 00:10:07.44\00:10:09.04 but it's not the entirety of the story. 00:10:09.07\00:10:11.71 The reality is that God is both the Creator and Redeemer. 00:10:11.74\00:10:14.71 We need to leave the ideal in the place 00:10:14.74\00:10:18.01 that it needs to occupy. 00:10:18.05\00:10:19.61 God's design is God's design. 00:10:19.65\00:10:21.48 This is what is, you know, his ideal. 00:10:21.52\00:10:24.85 At the same time, He's a Redeemer 00:10:24.89\00:10:26.35 and He can take that which is less than ideal. 00:10:26.39\00:10:29.42 And He can take those raw materials 00:10:29.46\00:10:31.03 and He can make a great thing out of it, 00:10:31.06\00:10:32.39 and I think a lot of people have that testimony, you know? 00:10:32.43\00:10:34.53 Absolutely, I mean you start looking at 00:10:34.56\00:10:36.16 all the people in the Bible and you look at, 00:10:36.20\00:10:39.10 you know, their situation like David 00:10:39.13\00:10:42.70 or Solomon or Samson or whoever you look at in the Bible 00:10:42.74\00:10:47.68 and you look at their stories behind it and you see 00:10:47.71\00:10:50.45 how God was able to use them in spite of themselves. 00:10:50.48\00:10:54.58 And I would add that, in parenting, 00:10:54.62\00:10:57.02 you have God's ideal of a mother and a father 00:10:57.05\00:11:01.62 in the life of that child. 00:11:01.66\00:11:03.39 But the most important ideal is that that child is loved, 00:11:03.43\00:11:08.23 and an unloving father and mother configuration 00:11:08.26\00:11:12.77 is I think worse than a single parent 00:11:12.80\00:11:15.10 that truly love their kid. 00:11:15.14\00:11:16.47 Absolutely. Yeah. 00:11:16.50\00:11:17.84 Absolutely, I would agree with that. 00:11:17.87\00:11:19.21 Would you be open to sharing just a little about your life? 00:11:19.24\00:11:20.98 I mean, haven't you been through 00:11:21.01\00:11:22.34 some stuff in your childhood 00:11:22.38\00:11:23.71 and do you have a testimony or am I asking too much? 00:11:23.75\00:11:26.75 Well, I mean, I grew up with two loving parents. 00:11:26.78\00:11:30.32 Oh, you did? Okay. 00:11:30.35\00:11:31.69 But then you know my parents got divorced 00:11:31.72\00:11:33.66 when I was at a young age and I ended up 00:11:33.69\00:11:36.73 going to this program called Banana Splits 00:11:36.76\00:11:39.56 and it was given by the school, 00:11:39.59\00:11:41.63 it was for people's parents who had split up, 00:11:41.66\00:11:43.77 they've divorced or whatever the case may be. 00:11:43.80\00:11:45.83 And at first... 00:11:45.87\00:11:47.90 Banana Splits, that's genius. 00:11:47.94\00:11:49.44 Yeah, it was a great name for it, 00:11:49.47\00:11:50.81 and it was like during lunch. 00:11:50.84\00:11:52.17 So they had food which is one of my favorites. 00:11:52.21\00:11:53.58 Of course. So I loved it. 00:11:53.61\00:11:54.94 But I didn't understand it at first. 00:11:54.98\00:11:58.61 I didn't understand the whole thing, 00:11:58.65\00:12:01.02 but as I grew older, 00:12:01.05\00:12:03.35 you know, one thing that my dad did for me 00:12:03.39\00:12:06.52 when we ended up moving to Texas 00:12:06.55\00:12:08.02 that really stood out to me is, I was living with my mom, 00:12:08.06\00:12:10.99 we moved to Texas and my dad moved to Texas... 00:12:11.03\00:12:14.96 As well. To finish raising me. 00:12:15.00\00:12:17.57 He always wanted to be in my life and be close 00:12:17.60\00:12:20.14 and he's always been there for me as a father. 00:12:20.17\00:12:22.74 I mean, he's done an exceptional job, 00:12:22.77\00:12:25.04 and so I'm so grateful for that. 00:12:25.07\00:12:27.41 Even though they didn't work out, 00:12:27.44\00:12:29.38 you know, I didn't experience, 00:12:29.41\00:12:30.95 I didn't feel that. There was a work around. 00:12:30.98\00:12:32.61 Yeah, so we're out saying, we're not putting out 00:12:32.65\00:12:34.65 this ideal to make people feel like they're doomed 00:12:34.68\00:12:37.72 if they didn't have that ideal in their life 00:12:37.75\00:12:39.55 because here we are with our broken histories 00:12:39.59\00:12:42.32 and God is able to work through that, 00:12:42.36\00:12:44.43 and I see the love shining through in your story as well, 00:12:44.46\00:12:46.70 and I love that name Banana Splits. 00:12:46.73\00:12:48.16 Yeah. 00:12:48.20\00:12:49.53 Banana Splits because it removed 00:12:49.56\00:12:50.97 the stigma from the kid. 00:12:51.00\00:12:52.83 You know, the kid shouldn't have to feel like a reject 00:12:52.87\00:12:55.64 because there's something that was totally out of his control 00:12:55.67\00:12:57.91 and one of the issues that arises in children of divorce 00:12:57.94\00:13:01.81 is they often blame themselves. 00:13:01.84\00:13:03.95 You know, they have this sense that they control the world. 00:13:03.98\00:13:07.38 You know, kids tend to think that way 00:13:07.42\00:13:09.52 and think that they're bigger than they really are, 00:13:09.55\00:13:11.82 and they take the responsibility 00:13:11.85\00:13:13.52 of their parents' problems on to them. 00:13:13.56\00:13:14.89 Yeah. 00:13:14.92\00:13:16.26 So I love that they had that nice name 00:13:16.29\00:13:17.93 that was kind of uplifting and encouraging 00:13:17.96\00:13:20.70 and they took what was 00:13:20.73\00:13:22.06 and they helped to redeem the situation. 00:13:22.10\00:13:23.83 So again, you know, love is the thing 00:13:23.87\00:13:25.67 that ultimately resonates and forms a person's character 00:13:25.70\00:13:29.84 and makes them well adjusted, 00:13:29.87\00:13:31.47 but God's ideal is the male and female together. 00:13:31.51\00:13:34.24 Absolutely. Yeah. 00:13:34.28\00:13:35.61 I mean, when we take a look at God's ideal, 00:13:35.64\00:13:39.01 you know, you go back to the garden and with diet, 00:13:39.05\00:13:41.75 with marriage between a man and woman, 00:13:41.78\00:13:44.29 the whole thing. 00:13:44.32\00:13:45.85 "Male and female created He them in His image," 00:13:45.89\00:13:48.59 parenting team and in the church, 00:13:48.62\00:13:50.29 we need to have both male and female influence, 00:13:50.33\00:13:52.83 and we'll all be better off for it 00:13:52.86\00:13:54.43 when there's that blending. 00:13:54.46\00:13:55.80 Absolutely. 00:13:55.83\00:13:57.17 You know, if I show you red and I say it's purple, 00:13:57.20\00:13:58.93 I'm going to be given an untruth 00:13:58.97\00:14:00.40 or blue and saying it's purple, it's not going to be true. 00:14:00.44\00:14:02.94 If I show you purple, it's a blend of red and blue. 00:14:02.97\00:14:05.21 Absolutely. 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