Welcome to Issues and Answers.
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Today we're going to talk about
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breaking down barriers
and things that divide people.
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Our guest today is
Richard Valenzuela.
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Richard is president of
Leadership Diversity Institute.
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He is the former
education director
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for Silicon Valley FACES,
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former executive director
and president of Anytown U.S.A.
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which is affiliated
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with the National Conference
of Christians and Jews.
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He is an internationally
recognized diversity specialist
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and he was involved in
the Civil Rights Movement
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and was a foot soldier
for Dr. Martin Luther King.
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He consults regularly
with schools, colleges
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and universities across the USA.
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Richard is going to
share his life experiences
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in working with
over 10,000 young people
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across the nation and adults
on how to break down barriers.
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Thank you so much, Richard,
for coming to the program.
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It's my pleasure to be here.
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I appreciate you
making that trip here to 3ABN.
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So we're going to
talk a little bit about
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today about breaking
down the barriers through...
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How did you come
up across doing this?
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Well, you know ever since
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I was in school basically...
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You know one of the first things
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that really impressed me
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was when Sammy
Davis, Jr. got married.
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Some of your
audience may remember him.
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He was a very talented black
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dancer and singer
and he got married.
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This was in the late '50s
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I believe was, it was '59 or so.
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And I was in junior
high school at the time.
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And he got married to a
white woman from Europe,
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I don't remember her name.
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But anyway it
made national news.
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How dare he
marry this white woman
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and he got hate mail, I'm sure,
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from all over the
country, all over the world,
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most likely.
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But what really touched it off
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and made it a conversation
in our school was that
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he was going to have a child,
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he was going to have a biracial,
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multiracial child,
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and all of a sudden
they were slamming it.
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They were saying the
child was going to be polka dot,
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there's
something wrong with that,
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it's going to be
a half breed child.
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You know, the idea of that
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it wasn't right.
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And they even used
such idiotic comments
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such as you don't see
cows and horses mixing,
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do you, or dogs and cats mixing.
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Well, I was raised on a farm
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and I knew that brown dogs
went with white dogs, etc.,
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you know the color.
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There were separate species
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and that's how we were being
treated in the '50s and '60s
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as separate species of people.
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Really! Separate Species!
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Yeah and that
really irritated me
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even as a 13-year-old kid.
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Wow!
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So it started me on this journey
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to make a
difference and make changes.
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And then I got
involved with this program
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which I'll explain later,
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that I think has met
the need to a great degree.
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So how about
your own background,
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what nationality?
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I'm Latino, I am
Mexican-American.
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Both my grandfathers
came over from Mexico
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and settled in Arizona.
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One homesteaded some land.
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The other was just
running away from the revolution
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I think is what
the story is told.
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But I've grown up there.
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I'm second generation
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and just experienced a
lot of prejudice growing up.
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And that's the other
thing that intrigued me that
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I ran into problems
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and when Martin
Luther King came around,
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gee, well that's what I
mean by being a foot soldier.
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But I just
became one of the people
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that helped the
movement and did my part
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and this was one way that
I found through education.
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So how was it growing
up at that time for you
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as a person of Mexican descent?
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Were you able to
speak your language,
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speak Spanish in school?
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How was that?
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Well, that was one of the
first experiences that I had.
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A lot of our
Latino kids at that time
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were told not to speak
Spanish on school grounds.
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If you did you would be
sent to the principal's office,
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you would be punished.
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So immediately
we began to think,
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hey, there's something
wrong with speaking Spanish.
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There must be
something wrong with me
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and that second class
citizenship began very early.
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Now I'm sure the purpose
was to get us to assimilate
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and to learn English which
would help us in the future,
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but the intent is not
always the same as the outcome,
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you know, how it's interpreted.
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How do you see things
today now with some many...
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In the media you hear a
lot of racial conflicts,
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you hear a lot of
socioeconomic conflicts.
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What do you think
about the times right now,
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which we live in?
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Well, you know we've
made a lot of progress.
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There's no denying that.
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I'm not an extremist to say
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hey we're still
in the dark ages.
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But we've made
progress especially this country
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and I'm a proud American.
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But there is still
progress to be made
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as you can see from the news
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and how quickly it can erupt
racial problems, racial issues.
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Yeah.
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That's just
part of the barriers,
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I think there's
also a gender issue
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between men and women.
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And that's something
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that we also touch
upon in our program,
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the issue of religion.
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How many wars and fights
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and what's happening in
the Middle East right now.
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There's a lot of
religious, interfaith conflict,
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and that's why it was
always a pleasure to work with
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the National Conference
of Christians and Jews
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that used to deal
with interfaith conflict in
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communities across the country.
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So now things have kind of...
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Some people ave said that
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it's not really so
important to really
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deal with racial issues
or deal with gender issues
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or deal with social
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because everybody's kind
of doing much better now.
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Do you see that
there's still a need for this?
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Oh, definitely.
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I mean people say, well,
we've made tremendous progress
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because we have
a black president
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but that's just a beginning.
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I mean there's still a lot more.
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And what I find
from young people,
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and that's who I work with
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high school and
college students,
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is they still are
running into issues,
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especially as children
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when growing up
of racial problems,
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especially with
biracial youth, too.
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I'll get into that later too.
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It's the idea that
separation is still occurring.
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You know, there's separation
on our high school campuses.
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You can walk into any campus,
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especially in the inner
city or midway in the inner city
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and you'll find the
groups are separated.
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They're not talking,
they're not communicating
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and you wonder why problems
can erupt up so quickly, yeah.
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And even still like you said,
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even on the
campuses there are issues.
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In fact, it's a big issues
in high schools and campuses
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across the country.
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Segregation is there.
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It may not be by law, but
it's voluntary segregation.
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So now you've been
involved in developing a program
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that is designed to
address a host of these issues.
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Tell us about the program?
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Now I didn't create the program.
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It started in East
L.A I believe in '53, '54
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and then it came
to Arizona in '57.
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It was called Anytown.
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It's taken on other
names now across the country.
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But I helped develop it
and update it in many ways
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and I've had many
people work with me
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and many ideas that I've
picked up from other folk
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but it's a
program that's very unique
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in that it brings a
diverse group of youth together
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at a camp site preferably
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because you need
some degree of isolation
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in order for the students
to think about who they are
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and where they're going
and what's happened to them.
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And you also have to
create an environment of safety
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where they feel safe to speak,
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that they're not
going to get jumped on,
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they're not going to get hit,
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they're not
going to be shut down
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for what they believe in,
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either by faith or by
race or by whatever issue.
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They need to express that
to get it out in the open.
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Because I think
what's happening today a lot
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is we're saying, well,
let's not talk about it.
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You know, that's
past, that's old.
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A lot of parents are not
even bringing up the issue
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so it needs to be talked about.
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So like,
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can you kind of take us
as best we can for those
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who are watching from home
who couldn't maybe go to camp.
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It would be great if they could.
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But what's it like,
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what's it like to
go through the camp?
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What are some of the experiences
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that people go through?
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There are two models.
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One is a summer
model. It's a week long.
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And you get to
cover so many more issues.
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But the basic model
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that I'm promoting now
is during the school year
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where you can take the
kids out of the classroom
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and that's why it's called
out-of-classroom education.
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You take them
out of the classroom
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and take them
to an isolated area
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or a retreat center
and you work with them
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for what I'm saying
three nights and four days.
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And you go through
all these segments,
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all these exercises
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based on experiential experience
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and emotional intelligence.
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What do I mean by experiential?
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You put the kids
through the activity
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where they get to feel it
and they get to see each other
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and learn from each other.
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The whole idea of
emotional intelligence,
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I really believe in that
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that we need to develop
our emotional intelligence
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so we can cope and
so we can communicate
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and be better citizens.
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So that's two of the
main parts of this program
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is those two things.
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Empathy building.
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You know we're hearing
more about empathy now.
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The idea that we're not
just looking for sympathy.
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I'm sorry what
happened to you in history
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or what happened to your people.
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We're looking at
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what the Native
Americans once said,
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you don't know anyone
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till you walk a
mile in their moccasins.
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To walk in
somebody else's shoes,
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to be able to live
their life for a short moment.
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That's where we make progress
'cause sympathy didn't do it.
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Apathy sure didn't
do it because, you know,
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we don't care what happened
to you or what's happened.
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But when you begin to
feel as or with someone,
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when you start
seeing your friends
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as your brothers and sisters,
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and you're
walking in their shoes,
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then progress begins.
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And that's what
the whole concept
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of the whole
workshop is based on.
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So give us an example.
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So how does it start?
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What's the first
issue that you deal with
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when a person
comes up to the camp?
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And they come with young people
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and they come with
some of the counselors
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and some of the other people,
so there's a safe environment.
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What's the first
activity that people go through?
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Well, I think one of
the things we have to do
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is begin breaking those barriers
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right from the start
by just getting acquainted
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by creating what I say
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not only a safe environment
but a trusting environment
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and create what
we call a community.
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That's where the
name Anytown came from,
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create a community.
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How do we do that?
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I'll just
mention a few activities
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that we begin
right at the beginning.
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We do what we call two ups.
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Two ups are response
to there's no putdowns
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allowed during the retreat.
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And we're going to do it,
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we're going to slip up either
because we're used to doing it.
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It's kind of a
funny or harassment
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but it can get real too.
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But anyway, no put downs.
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But if you do, you got
to give that person two ups
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which means you got to say
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two positive
things to that person
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and it can't be
something physical,
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like you have pretty
eyes or you dress well.
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It's got to be about their
personality or their character
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and it's amazing
how the students start
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calling each other on that.
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The teachers start
calling each other on that
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and they take it back
to the school sometimes,
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where they say
you owe me two ups.
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Yeah.
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And then there's the
concept of rainbow where anyone,
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whenever we get
together as an activity,
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we can yell out rainbow.
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That means you got to mix it up.
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You can't be with the same race,
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you can't be with the
same gender necessarily
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either and definitely
not your best friends.
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You know best friends are
always gathering together.
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That's the
toughest thing to break
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in any workshop that you do.
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But with rainbow
everybody's got to mix it
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or else, you know.
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And then one other
thing that we do is,
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well, I'll come
back to that later.
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Right, right.
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So this is a type of mixer
where everybody gets in there.
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You plan it where
people are diverse,
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it's not just
one group of people
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and if they mix up the rainbow
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it means they have to
get up and talk to somebody
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that they don't know.
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Okay so then what happens?
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The other thing we
introduce is a concept of hugs.
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You know it's
really fascinating.
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In fact, I read something
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this morning about
the power of touch.
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And I think to some degree
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we may be
losing that in society,
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but also to show these
students the value of it.
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Now we respect cultures
that don't touch or hug much
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or families that
don't hug too much
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but we make it an option.
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We say it's okay to hug here.
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But we may also
put some humor into it.
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We tell them, okay,
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there are some hugs
that are not allowed.
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I don't know if you recall those
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but the hugs are you know,
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you can't have a bear
hug picking someone up,
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you might drop them.
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You can't have an A-frame hug
where you're barely touching,
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very impersonal hug.
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And, of course,
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the sexual hug is not
allowed at camp at all.
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In fact, we're one
of the longest running
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male/female camps in the country
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because we set up
some restrictions on that.
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So it's not there to
pick up somebody, you know.
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We want to deal
with seeing people
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as people and it's okay to hug.
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And I even make the point
that there's an experiment
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that was done years
ago, 45-50 years ago,
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where they had these
infants in an orphanage
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and in this orphanage
they split up the infants,
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10 kids in one room, 10
babies in the other room
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and this experiment
didn't last very long
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because they hugged
the 10 kids in one room
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and they picked them
up and held them a lot.
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The kids in the other
room they just ignored.
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They only picked them up
when they had to feed them
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and that was it.
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So guess what happened?
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Within a few hours they found,
this is a true experiment,
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I think it's been
done more than once.
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The kids that were hugged and...
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I mean the kids were
picked up and cuddled
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and all they were
smiling, they were eating.
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The kids that were not,
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they began to
give up, stop smiling,
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stop eating and they
turned their faces to the wall
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and just started to give up.
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And that's
exactly what we don't want
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young people and people to do,
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to give up and
that's why people give up.
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You're saying the power of touch
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because they're not being held,
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they're not being, you know,
having that human interaction.
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It's just that crucial,
it's just that important.
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And so for some kids
that have never been hugged
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as little kids it's
amazing to see them.
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Do you have that
where kids come to camp
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and say they have
never been hugged?
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The other norm that
we have in many families
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in our society is you
stop hugging little boys
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after they're
four or five years old
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because of the fear of
what they might become.
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Or you may make them too soft,
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or you many make
them whatever and so.
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I think that concept
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that it's not a
manly thing to do
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is what's hurting
relationships in our society.
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Wow.
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So we get...
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then they get to that
kind of like the icebreaker,
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they learn about
the rainbow and hugging.
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What's next?
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The first night, we
have to start quickly,
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and this is a
very condensed program,
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is that we start with
the idea of understanding
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prejudice and discrimination.
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What is it? What makes it?
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What are the
stereotypes out there
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that we're constantly hearing?
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What do you say to the kids?
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What we do is we
split the kids up
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by the different
ethnic or racial groups
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and we send one
group out of the building
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for a few minutes
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and then we have the
rest of the group come up
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with all the
stereotypes or slurs
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they've heard about that group.
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And it's amazing the
list that they come up with.
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Well now the
group comes back in.
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This is done in confidence.
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You're saying one
of the groups goes out,
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say maybe it's the Latino kids
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or maybe it's the
Native American kids,
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African-American kids
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or the white or
European descent kids,
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or Asian kids
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and the rest of the whole group
00:16:01.76\00:16:04.89
they're all
talking about the slurs
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that they've heard growing up
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or experienced about
that group that's out.
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The stereotypes and the slurs.
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So we get a full
list of all these.
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And I make sure
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this is not a
superficial program.
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This is a real program in
order to get the feelings out.
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So we get them up there
and each group comes back in
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and reflect on
with ones affect them
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or hurt them the
most or would affect
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or hurt their family the most
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if they were there to
hear them or see them.
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And by the time that
we're through that evening
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you've got about
seven or eight lists
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of different
groups and all of a sudden
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the empathy building begins.
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The students
realize why they're there.
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I think they
really have to know that.
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You see this is also
called the leadership program
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and I don't call it
that just to be marketing
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or be superficial about that.
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I really feel and I make
reference to all the students
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as leaders or potential leaders.
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I really believe every
kid, every young person,
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has the
potential to be a leader,
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not only to guide
themselves as leadership
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but to guide others.
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And so we try to emphasize
that throughout the program
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that they're there for a reason,
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They're there to
influence their friends
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or their circle of
influences as we call it.
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So after your deal
with the racial slurs
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and then you say
it's like a big poster
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that's on the wall
that everyone can see
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and then they kind of process.
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What happens,
what's the next exercise
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that you do with the kids?
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Well, yeah, the
processing goes on
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and I think that's
a real important part.
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You just don't do an
exercise and walk away.
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You've got to process
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what can you gain
from that activity,
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what can you learn.
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And it's amazing how
the kids express themselves.
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Now I know how it feels.
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Now I know that it's not over
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because there is
even new stereotypes
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and new slurs
coming out all the time.
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So the kids all
of a sudden see this.
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The other thing is, I
think one of the learning
00:17:52.53\00:17:54.77
that they get from the program
is they're not the only one.
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Because a lot of them think,
00:17:57.97\00:17:59.31
oh, this is just happening
to my group or my people.
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We've had it the worst.
00:18:01.08\00:18:02.71
And then they
see all these lists
00:18:02.74\00:18:04.18
and all these emotions
coming from these students
00:18:04.21\00:18:06.38
saying this is what hurts me,
00:18:06.41\00:18:08.32
and there are some ugly
things that come up there,
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and if we have time
we'll go over those.
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But the next
activity, the next afternoon,
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we do have discussion groups
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or sharing
groups as we call them.
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And those are guided also
00:18:21.43\00:18:23.43
but it's mainly just expressing
00:18:23.47\00:18:24.90
what they felt
and what they learned
00:18:24.93\00:18:27.10
from the previous activity.
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We give them guidelines
such as agree to disagree
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'cause sometimes
that has to happen.
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I statements, you
speak for yourself
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not for all your
group like all blacks
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or all Latinos think this.
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No, you speak for yourself.
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And those are
important guidelines.
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And then the confidentiality
of keeping it within the group.
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But anyway, then we move
on to the following afternoon.
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We deal with privilege.
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And I know there's
a lot of talk today
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about white
privilege in our society.
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But there are
other privileges too
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that we need to discuss,
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not only just white privilege.
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Then there's also
light skin privilege,
00:19:02.27\00:19:04.67
not just white.
00:19:04.71\00:19:06.04
I mean even...
Yeah, BMT just did a...
00:19:06.07\00:19:07.58
there's a
program someone just did
00:19:07.61\00:19:09.61
and you're hearing a
lot of different programs
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of people dealing with
the light and the dark.
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But tell us
about this privilege.
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What is it?
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What do you mean by privilege?
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Well, the whole idea
of privilege or advantage
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that we are born
without our say so,
00:19:19.79\00:19:22.26
without our individual choice.
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We are given color,
we're given sexual identity,
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or even the
family we're born into,
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we didn't have a choice,
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and I mention
that to the students
00:19:35.40\00:19:36.97
before we do the exercise.
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I say you are
born into the world
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and here's what happens to you
00:19:39.91\00:19:41.24
and you don't have a choice.
00:19:41.28\00:19:42.61
But here's what
happens to you as you grow up.
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So we do this exercise
where people step forward
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or step back depending on
00:19:48.32\00:19:50.42
if the question refers
to a certain privilege.
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Like what are some of
the questions that you ask?
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Well one of the
questions is number one is
00:19:55.42\00:20:00.60
if you've ever had a job,
00:20:00.63\00:20:04.53
or did you get a job
because of someone you knew
00:20:04.57\00:20:06.74
of someone in your family knew?
00:20:06.77\00:20:08.24
Then they would step forward?
00:20:08.27\00:20:09.60
Yes, they would step forward
00:20:09.64\00:20:10.97
if they had that advantage
00:20:11.01\00:20:12.37
or privilege of knowing someone.
00:20:12.41\00:20:13.74
So then we get into the
discussion of networking
00:20:13.78\00:20:15.48
and friendship
making out of that,
00:20:15.51\00:20:17.68
because that's what
often happens is that
00:20:17.71\00:20:20.42
we have that
privilege of who somebody knows.
00:20:20.45\00:20:23.99
Economics: I wish my father
would have been born rich.
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I would have had so
many more privileges.
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I would have
been able to travel.
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Gender: There's still an
advantage in this society,
00:20:32.49\00:20:35.80
especially in the world
to be a man versus a woman.
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There's advantage
and privilege to that.
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There's the education,
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one that's hardly
ever mentioned but
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this is how we
emphasize to the students,
00:20:44.84\00:20:46.44
hey you need to get educated
00:20:46.47\00:20:48.34
because historically
00:20:48.38\00:20:51.25
if any group wanted to advance,
00:20:51.28\00:20:53.82
education was the way to
do that for the most part.
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And you could see when
they took away education
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why they did it.
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During slavery.
00:21:00.62\00:21:01.96
There were I think 13 states
00:21:01.99\00:21:03.32
that had laws
against educating the slave.
00:21:03.36\00:21:04.83
Why? Because they
didn't want them to question.
00:21:04.86\00:21:06.80
During the Middle Ages
00:21:06.83\00:21:08.46
the British had
the Irish as serfs
00:21:08.50\00:21:12.17
and it was against the
rules to educate the Irish.
00:21:12.20\00:21:14.60
And there were not books
00:21:14.64\00:21:15.97
that were
available to the common folk.
00:21:16.00\00:21:17.34
In fact the Bible was
the first book printed...
00:21:17.37\00:21:21.14
Really, that was...
00:21:21.18\00:21:22.51
Yes, at the end
of the Middle Ages
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or the Dark Ages.
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It was the desire to
see something, you know,
00:21:26.31\00:21:28.85
to read and to be
able to get that word out.
00:21:28.88\00:21:31.32
So you're right.
00:21:31.35\00:21:32.69
It is a
powerful tool, education.
00:21:32.72\00:21:36.06
It definitely is.
00:21:36.09\00:21:37.43
And so, and then we also
talk about sexual orientation,
00:21:37.46\00:21:40.36
being
heterosexual versus homosexual.
00:21:40.40\00:21:43.03
But there's all these
privileges that society
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provides for people and
some get them and some don't.
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And we're still
either reaping the benefits
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from those past laws,
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even though we
don't have the laws.
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We're either benefiting
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or we're being the
victims of some of that past.
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So you're saying as far as
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dealing
specifically with the child
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or if you're
dealing with the student,
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being raised in
that kind of a family.
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They had nothing to do with it.
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They were just in a particular
family set of circumstances,
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two-parent household,
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maybe we're a family
that had inherited money
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or inherited
privileges or businesses.
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What about immigrants?
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Immigrants the same way.
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I often ask the students
if your parents were here,
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your grandparents,
where would they be?
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And if they have immigrant
parents or grandparents,
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they would be behind them.
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Then I also talk about
the kids that aren't there.
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You say they
would be behind them.
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What do you mean?
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You know, we put
them in a big open area,
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either a parking lot
or a field of some sort
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and they step
forward and step back
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depending on if it's a negative.
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Some of the questions?
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Well again...
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Oh, there's also the social,
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what I call social support,
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family support.
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Did you grow up with
50 books in your house?
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That one has to
deal more with education.
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But did your parents ever
take you to plays or fairs.
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And some kids have never
been to a play or an art fair.
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So how is it when
these kids are all lined up,
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and the adults too, right,
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adult counselors
come so in that group
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everybody is involved with this.
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What does it look like?
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Are they all pretty
much together as a group,
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what do you see often?
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Well, if I have a
good mix of white and black
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and Latino and others,
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there's usually a few
more whites in the front.
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It's usually a mix in the middle
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and in the back is
mainly minority members,
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both staff and delegates.
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But one of the things I stress
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so they don't feel bad
about where they are placed is
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this is not
where they're at now,
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this is where they came from
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especially the
adults that now have degrees
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and are educators or
administrators there.
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But sometimes the
minority, they're in the back
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because the questions
are asked in that manner.
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But I also say that you're
the survivors for the students
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because now
there's a lot of kids here
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that should be here but are not
00:24:10.28\00:24:12.81
because they either dropped out,
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turned to drugs,
turned to alcohol
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and they fell off the edge
and you don't see them anymore.
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And so I have them
do a couple of things.
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I have them look
straight ahead first
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and say, okay, if
you never look back
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you don't know what's happening.
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With privilege
comes responsibility,
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one of the major
points that I make.
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You have privilege because
you're here at this workshop
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and you've
survived some of the things
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that have happened
to you and your family.
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So now you've got
to help someone else.
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So there's a lot of lessons
in the discussion of privilege.
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It's not just you have privilege
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and I don't or it's
a white man's world,
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this type of thing.
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So, how do you deal
with the violence, you know,
00:24:50.09\00:24:54.02
the things that kind of
cause people to act violently
00:24:54.06\00:24:57.76
the young people, the gangs
and all of that kind of thing?
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What do you do to really...
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How do you see this
program can actually
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break down the barriers?
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Well, one of the
things I've always
00:25:08.27\00:25:10.17
like to have is
kids that are on the edge
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of either going to
gang activity or not
00:25:12.71\00:25:15.64
and this can
make a big difference
00:25:15.68\00:25:17.08
on many of these kids.
00:25:17.11\00:25:18.45
And I've had some gang members
00:25:18.48\00:25:19.81
that have turned
themselves around
00:25:19.85\00:25:21.18
because all of
sudden they see something
00:25:21.22\00:25:22.55
to be proud of because
00:25:22.58\00:25:23.92
one of the other
programs we have up there is
00:25:23.95\00:25:25.39
what we call
cultural pride night
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where every group
makes a presentation
00:25:27.46\00:25:28.89
about their culture,
00:25:28.92\00:25:30.26
their contributions
to America and the world,
00:25:30.29\00:25:32.26
immigration pattern,
00:25:32.29\00:25:34.26
major customs and traditions
that they're most proud of
00:25:34.30\00:25:36.67
and also the stereotypes
that they wish to eliminate.
00:25:36.70\00:25:39.27
And it's amazing how
creative young people can get
00:25:39.30\00:25:41.60
when you give
them those four options
00:25:41.64\00:25:42.97
of coming up
with a presentation.
00:25:43.00\00:25:45.17
But what I've noticed is
00:25:45.21\00:25:46.54
these kids walk
out 10 foot higher
00:25:46.57\00:25:48.64
because they're
proud of who they are.
00:25:48.68\00:25:50.25
So many kids are put down.
00:25:50.28\00:25:51.71
It's amazing.
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One of the groups
that's very unique
00:25:53.95\00:25:55.28
is the biracial/multiracial kids
00:25:55.32\00:25:56.79
because that's an
increasing number,
00:25:56.82\00:25:58.15
thank goodness.
00:25:58.19\00:25:59.52
Yes, in fact America,
00:25:59.55\00:26:00.89
right, it's moving 2050 they say
00:26:00.92\00:26:02.82
the average American is
like almost the racial groups
00:26:02.86\00:26:05.76
that we see in the United States
00:26:05.79\00:26:07.13
are not even going to
be close to being the same.
00:26:07.16\00:26:09.20
It's such a melting pot
00:26:09.23\00:26:10.93
so this is really important
work that you're doing.
00:26:10.97\00:26:13.00
Yeah, this is one that
I believe our final taboo
00:26:13.03\00:26:16.07
or biggest
barrier is to overcome
00:26:16.10\00:26:18.34
that intermarriage
thing or inter-date thing.
00:26:18.37\00:26:21.11
Kids are still being
told marry your own kind
00:26:21.14\00:26:23.91
instead of looking
for common interests so.
00:26:23.95\00:26:25.71
Right.
00:26:25.75\00:26:27.08
But we have a gender night too
00:26:27.12\00:26:29.02
where we talk
about gender power.
00:26:29.05\00:26:30.65
How can we empower men
and women to get along better?
00:26:30.69\00:26:33.56
We come up with
stereotypes and messages
00:26:33.59\00:26:35.59
that they've heard.
00:26:35.62\00:26:37.43
Many of the messages
00:26:37.46\00:26:38.79
that we get in our
society are negative messages
00:26:38.83\00:26:41.03
and some people apply them.
00:26:41.06\00:26:42.73
Like no means yes,
00:26:42.76\00:26:44.30
having to deal
with sexual encounter.
00:26:44.33\00:26:46.43
That's sweeping
across the country right now
00:26:46.47\00:26:48.40
at major
colleges and universities
00:26:48.44\00:26:49.87
because they're
being told you better
00:26:49.90\00:26:52.94
start looking
into these cases more.
00:26:52.97\00:26:55.84
But that's a common thinking.
00:26:55.88\00:26:57.38
There are lot of messages
that we don't always recognize.
00:26:57.41\00:26:59.88
But we recognize them up at camp
00:26:59.91\00:27:01.55
so they can see them
and do something about them.
00:27:01.58\00:27:04.15
The act of violence
between men and women
00:27:04.19\00:27:05.85
where there're couple messages
00:27:05.89\00:27:07.32
that always go up there is,
00:27:07.36\00:27:10.89
never hit a woman,
00:27:10.93\00:27:12.26
which most boys agree and
most students agree that's good,
00:27:12.29\00:27:15.56
but there is always a few
00:27:15.60\00:27:16.93
that vote for never hit a
woman unless she hits you first.
00:27:16.97\00:27:20.14
And so I get up
there and explain okay,
00:27:20.17\00:27:21.84
how hard are you
going to hit her,
00:27:21.87\00:27:24.17
how are you going to stop
00:27:24.21\00:27:25.74
and what
happens because of this.
00:27:25.77\00:27:27.91
Is this a violent
message and of course it is.
00:27:27.94\00:27:31.08
It has the
effect on our society.
00:27:31.11\00:27:32.45
Richard, I thank
you so much for coming.
00:27:32.48\00:27:34.18
There are so many great issues
00:27:34.22\00:27:35.98
that have been
covered through here
00:27:36.02\00:27:37.99
and things to
break down barriers.
00:27:38.02\00:27:40.99
I want to also
thank our audience at home
00:27:41.02\00:27:43.39
for joining us
on today's program.
00:27:43.43\00:27:45.66
If you're interested in
learning more about the camps,
00:27:45.69\00:27:47.73
go ahead and contact
Dare to Dream Network.
00:27:47.76\00:27:49.86
We'll have Richard's
information available.
00:27:49.90\00:27:52.40
He is available to come
00:27:52.43\00:27:54.04
and conduct camps
across the country
00:27:54.07\00:27:55.84
as well as there
may be a camp near you.
00:27:55.87\00:27:58.54
You know Christ came to turn on
00:27:58.57\00:28:01.51
the divide between people
00:28:01.54\00:28:03.21
to break down those barriers
00:28:03.24\00:28:05.41
and He has a lot
of different ways
00:28:05.45\00:28:06.85
that He is doing that.
00:28:06.88\00:28:08.22
Let us decide ourselves
00:28:08.25\00:28:09.58
that we're gonna be
that community of one.
00:28:09.62\00:28:10.99
We're gonna be that person
00:28:11.02\00:28:12.55
that's gonna go
and make the difference
00:28:12.59\00:28:14.46
and break down the barriers
and bring people together.
00:28:14.49\00:28:16.86
Thank you for joining us.
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