Welcome to Issues and Answers.
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Today we're going to
be talking about healing.
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You need something in
your life to make a big change.
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Maybe you're going
through a particular illness
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and someone has said, you know,
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if you did this,
then you would be healed.
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We're gonna talk about healing.
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Our guest today is
Pastor Kymone Hinds.
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He is the pastor for
the Overton Park Seventh-day
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Adventist Church
in Memphis, Tennessee,
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as well as a church
planter with Journey Fellowship.
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Pastor Hinds attended
the Saint John University
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in New York City,
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where he studied
actuarial science.
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Then the Lord
called him to the ministry
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and he attended
Andrews University
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where he obtained a
Masters of Divinity degree.
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He's also been the
former youth director
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for Central States Conference
of Seventh-day Adventist.
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We're so glad to
have him on the program
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to talk with us about healing.
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Don't we want healing?
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Don't we want to know
about the type of healing?
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Thank you so much for coming
to the program today, Pastor.
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Thank you so much
for having me, Karen.
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You know, we're
talking about healing
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and specifically healing from
some of our emotional hurts.
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Okay.
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You know, they used to say,
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sticks and
stones break my bones,
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but words, they don't hurt me.
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That's not true.
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Words cut deep and
words and those things leave
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deep marks within
our soul and within our,
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within our minds.
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And we want to talk
about how to get healed
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from those things.
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Amen. That sounds very good.
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Sure, sure.
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You know, and the way I want
to just start about this is...
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Do you know that
in the United States
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billion of dollars
go unclaimed every year?
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There's money out there
that people do not claim.
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It's from gift cards
that you might have gotten.
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You know, you get a
gift card at Christmas time.
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People give you all these cards
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and you don't spend
all of the money on it,
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or sometimes you
even lose the card,
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that's money that's unclaimed.
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There are
sometimes that we have money
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that may be coming to us
in a class action lawsuit,
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they send you a
check, you don't cash that.
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And over and over
we go throughout life
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in the United States with
billions of dollars unclaimed.
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Wow, that's
pretty remarkable. Yeah.
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And I thought to myself...
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I'm just this kind of person.
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I don't leave
anything unclaimed.
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I am just too broke to
leave money on the table.
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So if you give me a gift card,
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I'm gonna use it
all the way to zero.
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If I have a check that
comes in my name for 50 cents,
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I'm spending it
because I'm too broke
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to leave money unclaimed.
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Right. Don't
want to leave it on...
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That's right.
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And what I realize
as an analogy to that,
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I'm too broken as
an individual to leave
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any of the blessings of
God unclaimed in my life.
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Amen.
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You know, I've just...
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We have too many issues.
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We have too many things
that we need healing from,
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that if God has that healing.
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If God is the
source of that healing,
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we could, we can't afford
to leave the blessings of God
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unclaimed in our lives.
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Right. Right.
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So that's what I
want to talk about
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because what I want to say to us
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is that God is ultimately
the source for the healing
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for the hurts that we've
experienced in our lives.
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God is the source for healing.
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That's right. He is the source.
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And you know, there's a story
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that Jesus talks
about in Matthew 18.
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It sort of gives us
a little background on,
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and kind of,
it's gonna be the tool
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I'm gonna use to
walk us through this.
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So Matthew 18. Okay, Matthew 18.
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And it's a story where
Jesus in Matthew 18:21.
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Peter comes to Him
and asked Him about,
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"How many times
should I forgive my brother?"
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And Jesus then tells
this parable about a servant
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who owed his master
a whole lot of money
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and his master forgave him.
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And one of the things I want
to just say right off the bat
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is that God has given
us this tool of forgiveness
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to heal the hurts
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that we've
experienced in our lives.
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Forgiveness. Yeah.
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As a tool to heal?
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To heal, that's right.
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You know, I don't know
how many times we may think
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and I've thought of it...
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You may have and others have
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that the way to get healed
from our hurt is to get even.
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If someone hurt me, I
need to hurt them back.
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But what we recognize is,
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we don't get
healed by getting even,
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we get healed by forgiving.
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Wow.
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You know, forgiveness is
something that we are very...
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We're not very clear on.
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We sometimes think,
when I forgive someone,
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I'm doing it for their benefit.
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And because I've
been hurt by them,
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I don't want to benefit them.
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Well, the truth
of the matter is,
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God has given us
forgiveness as a way for us
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to heel the hurts
that we've experienced.
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That really
happens with forgiveness?
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That's right.
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Because what forgiveness does,
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it takes something
that someone has done to us
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and it allows us
to not allow that hurt
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to continue to be
perpetuated in our minds,
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not allow us to become bitter
to affect our decision making
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and to affect the
rest of our lives.
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They may have
hurt us in the past.
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What forgiveness does,
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it gives us
freedom for our future.
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So lack of forgiveness
holds us back like that?
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That's right.
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I mean, let's think
about it in our own lives.
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Someone has hurt you
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and what you begin to do is
you begin to internalize this.
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You have emotions
that dwell up inside of you
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when you hear that
person or something
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that reminds you of them.
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If you meet
someone that has a name
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that reminds you
of them, you get,
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just something happens
internally physiologically.
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And so there are
opportunities you miss out on,
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there are times you avoid
them and miss out on things
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that you would
have liked to enjoy.
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And just anything that
reminds you of that person
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begins to affect your wellbeing.
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And forgiveness
allows you to be free.
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Think about this.
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Not forgiving someone
is like drinking poison
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and expecting the
other person to die.
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Wow. Think about it.
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You're being bitter by
what someone has done to you,
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and you're thinking
this is gonna affect them.
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And sometimes,
there are some people
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who have hurt us that
don't know they have hurt us.
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And they are
going on living life
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and here it is right
over here allowing ourselves
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to perpetuate
their hurt inside of us.
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So you're saying
it's like drinking poison.
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And expecting the
other person to die.
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And expecting the
other person to die.
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That's right. That's right.
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Nobody wants to
drink poison. That's right.
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And what a God we
serve that He understood
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that because of
sin life would...
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They would be hurt in life.
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And God is saying, I don't
want you to carry on that hurt.
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I'm giving you
something called forgiveness
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that you can use to
be free of their hurts
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that you've experienced.
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Wow.
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So how do we learn how
to forgive though, Pastor?
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How do we learn to forgive?
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Well, I think, first of all
we have to start understanding
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that forgiveness
is not a feeling.
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You know, sometimes we
feel I'm not ready to forgive
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because I don't feel like it.
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You know, there's
nothing in me that wants to.
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Forgiveness is a decision.
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It always starts
off as a decision.
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I decide that I am
going to enter the process,
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which it is of forgiveness.
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I am going to
recognize their hurts
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that have been done to me.
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I'm going to
express how I felt about it,
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whether I say it to the
person or I get it out of me.
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I want to know this
thing has affected me this way.
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You see,
forgiveness doesn't mean
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that I minimize what happened.
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It doesn't mean that I
go, no, it wasn't that bad.
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I don't have to make it smaller.
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I actually have to
say, this is what happened
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and this is how I felt to begin
the process of forgiveness.
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So recognizing.
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That's right,
recognize the hurt.
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Then after you
recognize the hurt,
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after you
identified the emotions,
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you have to set
proper boundaries
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to make sure that
you protect yourself.
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Because unless you
can protect yourself
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and set a proper boundaries,
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you are in a state of
being almost afraid to forgive
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because you're
afraid to be hurt again.
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So you set proper boundaries.
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And the last step
is to cancel the debt.
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It's to no longer hold
that against the person.
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Now let me say
this before I forget.
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Forgiveness is not the
same thing as reconciliation.
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No.
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What's the difference?
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Reconciliation is
the work of two parties.
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It means, both
parties have to agree
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to comeback into
the same relationship.
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Forgiveness is
actually a work of one party.
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It's where one person says,
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I'm no longer gonna
hold that debt against you.
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I am going to free myself
from being bitter toward you.
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I'm not gonna allow
what you have done to me,
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to continue to affect me
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and to affect the way
that I now look at life.
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I'm going to
allow God's forgiveness
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to free me from that hurt.
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Wow. Wow.
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So reconciliation is if
two people or two parties
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agree to try to
forgive and move forward.
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But you're saying, the
gift of forgiveness is a gift.
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You don't have to have
someone that's willing to say,
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sorry to you or
you're sorry to...
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It's one way.
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You can forgive
someone even if they say...
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If they don't come to say sorry.
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You know, you can
decide to forgive someone
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before they even
decide to ask for forgiveness.
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Wow.
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Because forgiveness is a
gift that God has given us
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to free us.
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Now, one of the
things that I realized is,
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as we even talk about
the mechanics of forgiveness.
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We just talked about
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how to go through
the steps of forgiveness.
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Right.
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One of the things that people
say is, I'm not good at that.
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There's some people that
say, I'm not good at that.
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I'm not good at
going through the process.
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And I really want to talk to
that person because I believe
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that none of us are
good at forgiveness.
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I think as human
beings, as fallen human beings,
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all of us are
bad at forgiveness.
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Yeah.
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Because we are not
the source of forgiveness,
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but we know the
person who can provide
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that source of healing to us
and allow us to be forgiving.
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And that's what I want to
just really kind of talk about
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off of this passage.
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Because in this story,
here is a king who finds a man
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that owes him in
our equivalent today
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about $2.25 billion.
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Billion dollars?
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Billion dollars.
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I'm not talking about with
a M, with a B, billion dollars
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like the money that
you and I wish we have.
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Oh, that's
beyond what anybody...
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Most people
wouldn't make, right,
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even if they are successful.
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Billions is a lot of money.
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It's almost an
amount that's unfathomable.
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It's, we can't
imagine someone owing that.
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And here's the king
finding this man owing that
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and he brings him
before him to say to him,
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what's, what's going on?
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Here's your account.
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And that shows us, the
king is god in this story.
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It shows us that
first of all the debt
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that we owe to God is huge.
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It's enormous. It is gigantic.
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And God wants us to understand
that sin is a big deal.
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It's not small.
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When we ask God for forgiveness,
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it doesn't mean that God goes...
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Oh, that's,
that's not a big deal,
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it's a little white line.
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All of our sin is
a big deal to God.
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Wow.
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And so this man owed the
king a big deal, a huge amount.
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And he asked the king for time.
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He says, just give me some time
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I'll work it
off, I'll do this...
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Work off to get
a billion dollars?
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2.25, this about this.
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He's...
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Think about how
humorous this is.
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Nobody can work
that off. That's right.
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And that's what the humor.
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Jesus is actually giving
sort of a humorous story.
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Because anything
you do to work that off,
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what, you pay down
$100, what's the difference?
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2.25 billion.
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You give a 1,000, 2.25...
I mean, you're really not...
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A million.
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They are not really getting
anything off of the debt.
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That's what Jesus is saying.
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There's nothing you
can do to repay the debt
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that you owe to God.
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That's the first
thing we have to recognize
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as we talk about this.
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And there's nothing
this man could have done.
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So he asks the king for time
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and the king offers
something better than time,
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he gives him forgiveness.
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In Matthew 18 he says to him,
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"Out of pity" verse 27. Okay.
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"For him, the master of
that servant released him
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and forgave him the debt."
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Forgave the 2.25 billion.
I mean, think about this.
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The king goes 2.25
billion, I forgive you.
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Now, now, Karen,
let's, let's talk.
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Yes.
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Let's say you owed some
money and someone forgives you.
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Let's talk about.
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If you owe student
loan money like I do.
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Yes, yes.
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If someone forgave me
my student loan money...
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You would not be
able to contain the shout
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that I would have.
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I'll be doing the
happy dance. That's right.
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I mean, I don't care if
you're not a dancing person.
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If someone forgives
you, your house note.
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Right.
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You would get really happy
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and some dance
would come out of you.
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Oh, yes.
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If someone forgave you and said,
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you don't have to pay
any of your utility bills
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for the next 20 years.
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I mean, a shout
would come up inside.
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Something would
happen if you were forgiven
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a huge debt.
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There would be a joy
that would overwhelm you.
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There would be just something
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that would just
burst forth from you
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because that's natural.
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Yes. Yes.
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I mean, I'm praying that
someone watching this show
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would see a way to
forgive my student loan debt.
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Yes, glory to God. Yes.
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But you would be happy. Yes.
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I'd be happy for
you. That's right.
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And that's what is
the natural reaction
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when you recognize
how big your debt is
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and how much
you've been forgiven.
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The natural reaction
to being forgiven is joy.
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It's overwhelming joy,
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not because you're
forgiven a small amount
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but because the amount
you're forgiven is an amount
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that you could never repay.
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Amen. Amen.
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So how do you do
with in the story.
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How does it go?
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What happens
next once he's got...
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Minus on a ledger 2.2
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2.25 billion.
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I mean...
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Unbelievable. We expect a party.
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We expect a celebration. Right.
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The next verse is different.
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Here's what's interesting.
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It says, verse 28.
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Matthew 18,
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I'm reading from the
English Standard Version.
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"But when that
same servant went out,
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he found one of
his fellow servants
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who owed him a hundred
denarii, and seizing him,
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he began to choke him,
saying, Pay what you owe me."
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I mean, he has
collared this other guy
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and he is chocking him
saying, pay me what I owe.
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So he laid hands on him.
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That's right.
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Now think about this.
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The amount, if we want
to put that in our dollars,
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it's about
4,800, less than $5,000.
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It's a big deal.
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You know, it's some money.
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But it's nothing
compared to 2.25 billion.
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Absolutely.
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But he is desperate.
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He's acting frantically.
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He is-- he has no
joy, he is almost angry
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and he is
frantically going after someone
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who owes him an amount
that's a whole lot less than
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he had just forgiven.
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Why?
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Well, look at even...
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Look at in next
verse which is very ironic.
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The servant says the same thing,
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he said to the king.
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He actually
says the exact words,
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have patience with
me and I will pay you.
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And it says, this man refused.
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You know, what?
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I believe he
refused, here's why I think.
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But what do you think?
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Well, first of all
you say it's 5,000 dollars
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what a denarii is.
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Yeah, 100 denariis
about 5,000 dollars.
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5,000 dollars today.
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That's something
that a person could work
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and payoff maybe a 100
dollars a month or whatever.
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Sure.
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Why was that guy so
hard and why was he grabbing,
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hold of the man?
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You said, he was
grabbing it by the throat
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and then he was acting crazy.
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That's right. He's frantic.
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And the reason I
believe he's frantic is because
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even though the
king had forgiven him,
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he had not
accepted the forgiveness.
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Wow.
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Because if I
leave the king's palace
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and I hear the
king say, forgiven,
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but I don't accept it.
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I am still going
to find all the people
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who owe me smaller amounts
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so I can gather that
to pay down on the debt
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that I don't think
I've been forgiven off.
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And that's what
happens in our lives.
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Here's where-- Here's my point.
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If we accept the
forgiveness of God,
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it frees us up
to forgive others.
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But if we in our own hearts
don't accept God's forgiveness,
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we have no source to
be able to forgive others.
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Wow.
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We have no source.
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That's right.
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You see, I think sometimes
we think I can forgive others
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out of my own power
and out of my strength
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if I just want to.
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What Jesus is saying to us here,
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the reason that you're able to
forgive someone else is because
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I have poured My
forgiveness down on you
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and My forgiveness
is so great for you
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that it overflows
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that you're now
able to forgive others
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who have wronged you.
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Wow.
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How is that possible?
Is that really possible?
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Well, I believe it's possible.
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Here's why.
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You know, I'll say it this way.
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You have heard this
saying, hurt people hurt people.
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Right.
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People who have been hurt
tend to hurt other people.
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And I think a lot of
times people who have been hurt,
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they involuntarily sometimes,
sometimes it's intentional,
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but they carry on the things
that have been done to them.
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It sort of flows out of them.
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There's a lot of research
that supports that whole idea,
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that unless you do some
kind of major intervention,
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in certain cases people
who have been like you said
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who've been abused or
otherwise have a tendency
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that they had
become abusers themselves.
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Right.
00:17:42.69\00:17:44.03
Well, I want to
add something to that.
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Not only do hurt
people hurt people,
00:17:45.76\00:17:49.33
forgiven people forgive
people, that's what I believe.
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I believe... Forgiven people...
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Forgive people.
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So it's a new pattern.
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That's right.
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I believe as we have
been forgiven by God,
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as we understand,
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as we bath in the
lavish forgiveness of God
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out from us flows
forgiveness to others.
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And I believe what
Jesus is trying to say
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in this story is
that, if we do not accept
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and appreciate and
allow the forgiveness of God
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to flow to us,
00:18:21.73\00:18:23.57
then it will
not flow through us.
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Wow.
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So we have to
receive in order to give?
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That's right. That's right.
00:18:30.51\00:18:31.84
And I think sometimes
and I understand this.
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I think sometimes we
focus on us forgiving others.
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And think about this.
00:18:38.48\00:18:39.91
If I'm trying to forgive
others in my own strength,
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it becomes frustrating.
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Because I don't have the
source of that power to do that.
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There is nothing in me
that naturally wants to forgive.
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And God says, I want
to change the paradigm.
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See if I focus on
00:18:57.80\00:18:59.27
what the other
person has done to me,
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it makes me bitter.
00:19:01.04\00:19:02.37
It makes me angry.
00:19:02.40\00:19:03.87
It causes me to build
up resentment toward them.
00:19:03.91\00:19:07.78
So that's the
source of bitterness.
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That's the source of bitterness.
00:19:09.28\00:19:10.61
Is focusing on the
injury or the wrong
00:19:10.65\00:19:12.88
that somebody else has done.
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So we want to have that will go,
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we focus on that.
00:19:16.55\00:19:17.89
But if we...
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But bitterness doesn't
have consequences upon us?
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That's right. That's right.
00:19:20.66\00:19:21.99
Bitterness of course
causes a whole lot of things
00:19:22.02\00:19:24.96
physically to us, but
also spiritually to us.
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It stops us from
growing the way God want us to.
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Now if I focus on
what I've done wrong,
00:19:30.93\00:19:33.40
it makes me
dejected, it makes me,
00:19:33.44\00:19:35.60
it takes away my
joy, it makes me feel
00:19:35.64\00:19:37.91
I can't make it.
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You know, what God is saying.
00:19:39.61\00:19:40.94
I don't want you to focus on
00:19:40.98\00:19:42.31
what the other person did wrong.
00:19:42.34\00:19:43.68
I don't you to focus
on what you did wrong.
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I want you to focus on
what God did right for you.
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Amen.
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And that is in Christ
Jesus he offers forgiveness
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because forgiveness doesn't say,
00:19:53.12\00:19:55.36
it didn't happen.
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It doesn't say,
it's not a big deal.
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No, God shows us
in the illustration.
00:19:58.46\00:20:00.70
It's a big deal. Right.
00:20:00.73\00:20:02.10
But what he does,
his forgiveness cost him.
00:20:02.13\00:20:05.40
You know... What
do you mean by that?
00:20:05.43\00:20:06.77
Well, let me use
this illustration.
00:20:06.80\00:20:08.84
A few years ago I had
a friend of mine, they...
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This was when
cell phones were new.
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My friend got a cell phone,
that was in my name, ran it up,
00:20:13.61\00:20:17.85
use it a whole
lot, didn't have a job
00:20:17.88\00:20:20.82
and after a while I
realized he couldn't pay it.
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So what I did to
preserve the friendship,
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I forgave him.
00:20:25.79\00:20:27.12
Now if he were
telling you the story,
00:20:27.16\00:20:28.52
that's a great story.
00:20:28.56\00:20:29.92
I got forgiven a
whole lot of money
00:20:29.96\00:20:31.59
that I didn't have to
payback for a phone that I used.
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But I'm telling the story
and what I want you to know,
00:20:34.50\00:20:36.46
it cost me a lot to forgive him.
00:20:36.50\00:20:39.60
And what I want
us to understand,
00:20:39.63\00:20:40.97
it cost God a
whole lot to forgive us.
00:20:41.00\00:20:44.14
It cost Him the life of His son.
00:20:44.17\00:20:46.94
It cost God His one and only Son
00:20:46.98\00:20:49.81
being separated from
Him, taking on our sin
00:20:49.84\00:20:53.78
and dying on the cross for us.
00:20:53.82\00:20:55.82
And what I'm saying is,
00:20:55.85\00:20:57.19
if we focus on
what God did for us,
00:20:57.22\00:20:59.92
it gives us that
power to forgive others.
00:20:59.95\00:21:03.69
Because when I understand
what God has done for me,
00:21:03.73\00:21:06.36
it gives me joy,
00:21:06.39\00:21:08.23
it gives me
just a peace of mind,
00:21:08.26\00:21:11.50
it gives me assurance.
00:21:11.53\00:21:12.93
And if I focus on what
He did right to forgive me,
00:21:12.97\00:21:16.24
it then gives me
power to forgive others
00:21:16.27\00:21:18.77
because His
forgiveness flows to me
00:21:18.81\00:21:21.88
and then flows
through me to others.
00:21:21.91\00:21:24.08
Well, what about, you
know, you hear people say
00:21:24.11\00:21:26.05
and it's certainly
at times, you know,
00:21:26.08\00:21:27.72
we'll have that tape
in our head that says,
00:21:27.75\00:21:29.85
you know, you did
this wrong, you, that,
00:21:29.88\00:21:32.45
that, rehearsing
of all the things
00:21:32.49\00:21:35.56
that maybe we've done wrong.
00:21:35.59\00:21:36.93
That's right.
00:21:36.96\00:21:38.29
That, is that a
part of being guilty?
00:21:38.33\00:21:39.83
That's right.
00:21:39.86\00:21:41.20
You know, I think God
allows us sometimes to know
00:21:41.23\00:21:45.07
when we're wrong to
bring us through repentance.
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But, I think, if we do it
and it stops us in our growth.
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If it, if it
constantly keeping us
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back from coming to God,
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then it's
definitely not from God,
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that is from the enemy.
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That's what I want to ask you.
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So it's not from
God that voice that...
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Once you've already
asked for forgiveness
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that keeps rehearsing
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over and over
again in your head.
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And I'll say this.
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This is like in
your, in your own car.
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Sometimes you're playing a
CD and you're tired of listening
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to that music over and over.
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What you do is you
change the soundtrack.
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And what I was saying to us
is let's change the soundtrack.
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Instead of us listening
to the voice of the enemy
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that says to us, how bad we are,
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how messed up we are,
how much we've led God down.
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Let's put in a new CD
that says Christ died for us,
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that God was in
Christ reconciling
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the world to Himself,
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not counting
men's sins against Him,
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but God sent Jesus
His Son to die for us,
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put that soundtrack in
there and understand that
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in Christ Jesus we
are accepted by God,
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we are beloved by God.
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He sees us seated
in heavenly places.
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In Christ Jesus we are forgiven
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even before we
ask for forgiveness.
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We have a God that
gives forgiveness before
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we had the good
sense to ask for it.
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And if you think
and consider that God,
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it changes how you
relate to God because you say,
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God, I thank you
for that forgiveness.
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And then you celebrate.
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You celebrate like the person
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whose student
loan has been paid off.
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You celebrate like the guy
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who someone paid off
his mortgage mysteriously.
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You celebrate like someone
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whose car note has
been just forgiven.
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You celebrate that forgiveness.
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And it allows you to now go pass
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that forgiveness on to others
because you want to be free.
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You want to be
free from the hurt.
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Amen. Oh, that sounds so good.
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You want to be
free from the hurt.
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You want to live
life not being tied
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to what someone
has done in the past.
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And now here is the source of
the power to have that healing.
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So...
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Wow.
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All the wonderful things that
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Jesus Christ did
for us on the cross,
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is that, that's a source?
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That's right.
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That's the
source of our healing.
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You know,
there's a text that says,
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"By his stripes we are healed.'
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Amen.
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And I believe that.
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I believe because of
what Jesus did on the cross,
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it provides the power for us
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to be healed
from emotional hurts.
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And I believe, listen,
there are so many people
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that are carrying around
so many hurts from their past.
00:24:10.38\00:24:14.55
People have
done bad things to us
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and we're not denying it.
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We're not saying don't,
don't say it was a big deal,
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don't, don't minimize it.
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But what we're saying
is, don't allow that person
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to still have power
over you for your future.
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God has greater things for you.
00:24:28.80\00:24:31.20
God has more in
store for your life.
00:24:31.23\00:24:33.60
God wants to do
something new in your life.
00:24:33.64\00:24:36.64
And we should
not give anyone power
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to not just take our
past, but to affect our present.
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And God says I want to free you.
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And it's by the
stripes of Jesus Christ
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that we can receive
healing for our emotional hurts.
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Amen.
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I'm thinking that
maybe there's someone,
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some of us that
are watching today,
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if you would
like to have prayer,
00:24:55.59\00:24:57.63
we're gonna pray right now.
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I'm gonna ask if
would please pray?
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Sure, sure and I believe
that someone needs this prayer
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including myself.
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Amen. Me too.
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Father, in the name
of Jesus, thank You.
00:25:05.90\00:25:10.41
Thank You that You're a
God that heals, because, God,
00:25:10.44\00:25:13.51
you didn't heal, these hurts
that have been put on us, God,
00:25:13.54\00:25:16.98
if we can't
carry them any longer.
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God, I know there's
someone out here watching
00:25:19.31\00:25:21.85
that they have been just
tired of carrying old hurts
00:25:21.88\00:25:25.69
where someone has
done something to them.
00:25:25.72\00:25:28.42
And God they tuned
in today for this reason
00:25:28.46\00:25:30.43
and so I'm praying
right now in the name of Jesus
00:25:30.46\00:25:32.93
that they would understand,
00:25:32.96\00:25:34.30
first of all that
You have forgiven them.
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Yes.
00:25:36.13\00:25:37.47
Or maybe there's
someone who thought that
00:25:37.50\00:25:39.03
they could not be forgiven
00:25:39.07\00:25:40.74
because their debt was so big.
00:25:40.77\00:25:42.10
But thank You God,
00:25:42.14\00:25:43.47
that when Jesus died
on the cross He cried out,
00:25:43.51\00:25:46.14
it is finished, paid in full.
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Their debt was paid.
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And so God, may we receive
Your forgiveness right now
00:25:50.38\00:25:53.15
in this moment.
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God, may we understand that
because we have been forgiven,
00:25:54.55\00:25:58.42
there is a joy that
naturally will flow out of us
00:25:58.45\00:26:01.62
when we recognize just
how much You've forgiven us
00:26:01.66\00:26:04.86
and how free
this forgiveness is.
00:26:04.89\00:26:06.96
And, Lord, let
it flow to others,
00:26:07.00\00:26:09.13
let it flow to those
who have hurt us in our past
00:26:09.16\00:26:11.87
and because it's
flowing out of us,
00:26:11.90\00:26:13.57
God, may we forgive
them and be free ourselves.
00:26:13.60\00:26:16.57
May we be free to
worship and to praise You
00:26:16.60\00:26:19.04
and to serve You and
to reach out to others
00:26:19.07\00:26:21.71
who have been hurt
like us to let them know
00:26:21.74\00:26:23.98
that forgiveness is offered,
00:26:24.01\00:26:25.68
they can forgive others
because you've forgiven them.
00:26:25.71\00:26:29.95
Thank You God for
hearing this prayer.
00:26:29.98\00:26:32.02
Thank You for sending Jesus
to die on the cross for us.
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It's in Jesus
name we pray, amen.
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Amen, amen.
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Do you Twitter? I do.
00:26:39.23\00:26:41.20
What's your twitter?
00:26:41.23\00:26:42.56
You can find me on
Twitter at my name Kymone Hinds.
00:26:42.60\00:26:45.23
It's real simple. Kymone Hinds.
00:26:45.27\00:26:46.87
How do you spell that?
00:26:46.90\00:26:48.24
Kymone Hinds, no spaces.
00:26:48.27\00:26:51.57
You can find me on
Twitter. No spaces?
00:26:51.61\00:26:52.94
Yeah. Facebook?
00:26:52.97\00:26:54.31
Facebook, same.
00:26:54.34\00:26:55.68
It's Facebook.com/pastorhinds,
Pastor Hinds.
00:26:55.71\00:26:58.88
Pastor Hinds, okay.
00:26:58.91\00:27:00.58
So do you still organize events
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and that kind of
thing for people?
00:27:04.19\00:27:06.25
Are you willing to
travel to be able to meet
00:27:06.29\00:27:08.42
the needs of
people as they come?
00:27:08.46\00:27:10.19
Definitely. All right.
00:27:10.23\00:27:11.56
Organizations perhaps
00:27:11.59\00:27:12.93
that would like
to hear this message?
00:27:12.96\00:27:14.33
I'm willing to travel to speak.
00:27:14.36\00:27:16.30
You can find me on
my website, I blog.
00:27:16.33\00:27:18.30
You have a website?
A blog on my website.
00:27:18.33\00:27:19.67
Your blog?
00:27:19.70\00:27:21.04
Okay, let's have it all.
00:27:21.07\00:27:22.40
Comejourney.org,
it's real simple.
00:27:22.44\00:27:23.77
It's an invitation,
comejourney.org is my website.
00:27:23.81\00:27:26.71
I blog there regularly.
00:27:26.74\00:27:28.24
You can contact me there.
00:27:28.28\00:27:29.74
And I'm willing to come
and to share with youths
00:27:29.78\00:27:31.88
and others groups
about what God is doing
00:27:31.91\00:27:34.25
because I am just simply someone
00:27:34.28\00:27:36.45
that God has affected my life.
00:27:36.48\00:27:38.19
And I just want to tell
everyone else about a God
00:27:38.22\00:27:40.69
who can do
anything in their life.
00:27:40.72\00:27:42.82
Oh, that's all
very excited ingredient.
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Yes, ma'am.
00:27:44.36\00:27:45.69
I'm so glad that you came
00:27:45.73\00:27:47.06
and that you were
able to share with us
00:27:47.10\00:27:48.56
the source of healing so
that it's like a deliverance.
00:27:48.60\00:27:51.93
That's right.
00:27:51.97\00:27:53.30
No more bondage but a
complete and total deliverance.
00:27:53.34\00:27:56.30
That's right.
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For those of you at home,
this is a great opportunity.
00:27:57.71\00:27:59.81
Haven't we heard
really good news today?
00:27:59.84\00:28:02.34
I know I did.
00:28:02.38\00:28:03.71
I'm looking for a source.
00:28:03.75\00:28:05.08
Sometimes we look on
the internet for sources.
00:28:05.11\00:28:06.92
We may look for
information for sources,
00:28:06.95\00:28:08.85
but we've now until
told that Jesus Christ
00:28:08.88\00:28:11.25
is the total and complete source
00:28:11.29\00:28:13.49
for absolute
healing in our lives.
00:28:13.52\00:28:16.22
god bless you and
thank you for joining us.
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