Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Marie Fischer
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000449A
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00:29 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
00:31 and we welcome you again to Issues and Answers. 00:33 This is a program 00:34 where we talk about issues 00:36 that are relevant to today's society, 00:38 to problems that you and I have, 00:41 and then we look at biblical answers. 00:43 And today we have someone who is just a dear sister, 00:47 I don't know her, haven't known her that long, 00:50 but I feel like I've known her forever. 00:52 And her name is Marie Fischer, she's from Jay, Oklahoma. 00:55 She's going to be talking to us 00:57 about the ABC's of abuse recovery. 01:01 And, Marie, I just want to thank you 01:04 for coming today. 01:06 It's a privilege. Thank you for having me. 01:07 You have an amazing testimony 01:09 and before we get into 01:12 the topic of recovery from abuse, 01:15 let's talk about your testimony, just a moment, 01:18 because that's what qualifies you. 01:20 That's why God chose you 01:22 to do these ABC's of abuse recovery workshops. 01:26 So tell us about your testimony. 01:29 Well, I was a third generation Adventist 01:32 but I didn't know Jesus personally. 01:35 I had head knowledge 01:36 but I did not have heart knowledge, 01:37 I didn't know him, I didn't love him 01:39 because I didn't really believe he loved me. 01:42 And you can't love someone unless you understand 01:44 how much they love you. 01:46 Amen. 01:47 And so I was a victim of abuse since of time, 01:51 I was four years old. 01:52 And what type of abuse are you speaking of. 01:54 There are fourteen different types of abuse. 01:56 I have had them all 01:58 but they fall under five different categories 02:01 which is physical, emotional, spiritual, verba... 02:06 And sexual. And sexual. 02:07 And I've had them all. Yes. 02:09 And so with that being said, the Lord has taken my life, 02:14 and turned it around, 02:16 and I had a burden for so many people 02:19 that have experienced the same things that I have. 02:22 And I wanted to let them know that God can set them free. 02:24 He can make their mess into a message 02:27 just like he's done for me. 02:28 And I love that terminology. What a great phrase. 02:32 "God can take your mess and turn it into a message." 02:36 And he certainly is using you in marvelous ways, 02:39 but because our time is so short, 02:41 what I'd like to do is get into the backbone 02:45 if you will of the ABC's of abuse recovery. 02:49 God really did, 02:51 you made a lot of mistakes in your life, 02:53 just bad choices 02:54 because of what happened to you 02:57 and the consequences of that impact, 03:00 if you will, on your own psyche, 03:03 in your own behavior. 03:04 But God, how did he first get your attention 03:08 to bring you out of the mess? 03:11 How did God get your attention 03:13 where you understood how much he loved you? 03:15 I had a horrific accident in 1999, 03:19 on November 11, 1999, it was Veterans Day, 03:24 where two of my sons were involved, 03:25 and it was a rollover accident. 03:27 I was supposed to be a quad and my six year old son... 03:31 When you say quad, because some people... 03:34 Paralyzed. 03:35 A quadriplegic. A quadriplegic. 03:36 They thought you would be paralyzed 03:39 from the neck down... 03:40 Yeah I had a broken neck. 03:41 I have had surgery and I have metal plates, 03:45 and screws, and brackets in my neck. 03:48 My spinal cord was already pinched at the time 03:50 and they weren't sure 03:51 if it was going to sever and kill me 03:53 but an option to walk was not something 03:55 they were giving me at that time 03:57 and my son, the six year old, 04:00 they weren't giving him hope for life at all. 04:02 They were actually asking for his organs at that time. 04:06 But God, I love our God. 04:10 We'll, you find that in the scriptures too, 04:12 when you're reading along it is like, 04:14 then you'll say, "But God." 04:16 But God had a different plan and it's so funny 04:19 because a lot of the people that I worked with said, 04:22 "Oh, we knew that if anybody would make it 04:24 through it would be you because of your faith in God." 04:26 And I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" 04:28 I'm not special to God, 04:30 not in any way other than anyone else is. 04:33 And at the time when they're saying 04:34 that about your faith in God, 04:36 you grew up in a religious environment 04:38 and you were walking in obedience, 04:41 but it was more out of fear or more out of, 04:45 this is what was expected of you. 04:46 You were, like many abuse victims, 04:49 you had the verbal camouflage, you said the right things, 04:53 you did the right things, put on the good happy face... 04:54 We tend to want to be perfect 04:56 because we don't want anyone to know 04:57 that there's such a horrible hidden secret 05:00 in our life 05:02 that we tend to want to excel in school. 05:04 I had to have straight A's, 05:06 I had to be the best cheerleader, 05:07 I had to be the best 05:09 whatever it was that I was doing, 05:10 I had to be the best 05:11 because that way people would see me as a good person 05:14 and not an abused person. 05:19 You know, I didn't want the abuse to show, 05:21 I wanted everything to be hidden 05:23 and I couldn't love myself, 05:27 or anyone else really because I was hiding. 05:30 I didn't even know who I was. 05:32 So people were sitting here 05:34 saying we knew you would be healed 05:35 because of your faith and yet, 05:37 your faith was really just, kind of, hanging by a thread. 05:42 The faith in the mustard seed, but they didn't see it. 05:45 You know, I talked the talk, 05:47 and I walked the walk 05:49 that looked for all intense purposes, 05:50 good on the outside. 05:52 Yes. 05:53 You know, but on the inside I wore so many masks 05:55 and one of my favorites was Snow White 05:57 and I always called it the snow white mask. 05:59 The one that looked so good that took care of everybody 06:01 and everybody's problems and I was the fixer 06:03 and I would do everything good. 06:04 But I really wasn't, I was dying on the inside. 06:07 Yes. 06:08 I felt like I had a big scarlet letter on me 06:10 that said, "Leprosy." 06:12 You know, because you literally feel like you're unclean, 06:15 unclean, unclean, unclean, 06:17 and like I should have been crying 06:18 that out everywhere. 06:19 But instead I hid it because I knew that my church, 06:21 and my family, and the people that I love, 06:24 the dearest wouldn't understand. 06:26 Yes. 06:27 You know, and if God couldn't love me, 06:29 how could they? 06:30 And you didn't think that God could love you. 06:33 So as you said, the Bible says that we love God 06:37 because He first loved us. 06:38 It's not until we understand, 06:40 how much God loves us 06:41 that we can really experience that reciprocal love. 06:45 But to fast forward, you have this accident, 06:50 it looks from all intents and purposes 06:53 that this is going to be perhaps the end of life, 06:55 as you know it, 06:56 that you will be paralyzed from the neck down, 06:59 your son is going to die, 07:02 but God showed up and totally reversed it. 07:05 Everything. Yeah. 07:07 And I believe that my injuries to my body 07:11 were from my growth spiritually with God. 07:14 The injuries that my son suffered 07:15 were actually to help other people 07:19 find the Lord through his injuries, 07:21 but I needed to know that Jesus loved me 07:23 and I needed to slow down. 07:25 I'm very busy and I have 10 children 07:27 and I live for them, 07:29 and my grandchildren, and my husband, 07:30 and, you know, I just always was busy, busy 07:33 and I worked and everything, and it was as if God said, 07:36 "Be still and know that I am god 07:37 and not only that I am God 07:39 but I'm beside you and I love you." 07:41 So what you're saying 07:43 is it was during the time of your recovery 07:46 that you really got into the word... 07:47 Absolutely. 07:49 That you had this time to, 07:51 you know, I love Jeremiah 29:11-14 07:55 and we often quote that. 07:58 You know, God says that, "I have a plan for your life. 08:01 Plan to prosper you, not to harm you." 08:03 But he says, 08:04 "Then you will seek me and you will find me. 08:08 When you seek for me with all of your heart." 08:11 And when you think about it, what you mean "then?" 08:14 It is once we recognize 08:15 that God has planned for our life 08:17 that we do seek Him and you begin seeking him 08:20 at that point. 08:22 I began seeking him because, I had... 08:23 I really think 08:25 that I began seeking him as a child, 08:27 because I always talked to him and I always asked him, 08:28 "Where are you? 08:30 Where were you when this happened? 08:31 How come this happened? How come that happened?" 08:33 But I believe that when I had the accident, 08:35 it was God reached down to me 08:38 and said, "I want you to know where I was. 08:40 I want you to know that I was right beside you, 08:43 I want you to know that I felt the pain 08:44 that you were going through. 08:46 And I want you to know that you are priceless to me 08:49 that I died for you, you alone." 08:52 And I'm like, 08:53 "Me, I'm so filthy, I'm so dirty." 08:56 And God was like, 08:58 "But you're mine and I can give you so much more 09:01 and I can give you joy and peace in your life." 09:04 And I said, "Really, Lord? How? Show me." 09:06 Because I always had this image that I was dirty 09:09 and he was unapproachable. 09:11 Unapproachable. Exactly, thank you. 09:13 Unapproachable 09:14 that I could never ever come to the throne 09:18 and he would and envelop me and wrap his arms around me. 09:20 Yes. 09:22 So it was like I had to cry out, 09:23 I'm so unclean 09:25 before I could ever let anyone love me, 09:27 especially God. 09:28 So God got your attention. 09:29 He turned you around, 09:31 and now he has you giving abuse recovery seminars. 09:36 Your brother told you 09:39 that he knew you would be doing this 09:41 and when God did give it to you, 09:43 you rejected that at first, 09:44 but when God gave you the material for this, 09:47 I know your brother happened to call 09:49 the very same day and said, 09:50 "Did you ever put this together, sis." 09:52 A miracle. Here you had it. 09:54 So tell us what the ABC's of recovery from abuse 09:58 because there are so many people 10:00 who are suffering from abuse 10:02 whether it's sexual, or physical, mental, emotional, 10:05 or verbal abuse, or spiritual abuse 10:08 there are so many people who suffer from this, 10:11 not just in the world, but in the church. 10:14 What is the A? The A is admit. 10:19 And all of it is a workshop, 10:21 so everybody is handed out a pamphlet 10:23 and A worksheet that they can work out. 10:27 Everybody works it out themselves 10:29 and no one has to talk about it. 10:31 So when they're admitting, 10:32 which is a very difficult thing to do, 10:35 they have to admit that they have been a victim. 10:37 They have to admit 10:39 that they have even been a perpetrator, 10:40 maybe, perhaps, 10:42 because God loves the perpetrator 10:44 and that's very difficult for a victim 10:46 to accept a lot of times. 10:48 But God loves the perpetrator and the victim equally. 10:52 He's no respecter of persons, 10:54 He is our Father 10:55 and He wants all of his children to repent. 10:57 Amen. 10:58 He wants them all to come to know him. 10:59 So until we get to the first step of admitting, 11:04 we can't finally let the masks 11:05 and the hiding behind mask fall away. 11:08 So we have to admit that it has happened 11:11 and there are biblical verses that go along with all of that 11:13 when they're in the program. 11:15 Okay. 11:16 Now the mission part 11:18 is actually the turning point when... 11:21 because there are many people who... 11:23 It's the confession 11:25 where it says confess your faults 11:26 and confess that you've sinned. 11:28 It's the same thing in meaning. 11:30 It's confessing that it's actually happened. 11:32 And you have to confess to God too, 11:33 you have to admit that it's happened, 11:35 you have to admit that you're angry 11:36 you have to admit that you're bitter. 11:38 You can even be angry at God for all of this. 11:40 Oh, well, most people are. Mm-hm. 11:43 So we're not saying that the victim has sinned 11:46 in the act of the abuse but that the victim is sinning 11:51 because they hold on to bitterness and rage 11:54 because they have closed God out of this area 11:58 of their life quite often. 11:59 They're never admitting guilt because it's never their fault. 12:02 It's never a victim's fault that they have been victimized. 12:04 Amen. 12:05 So they're never admitting guilt to that. 12:08 They're admitting that their carrying guilt, 12:10 and they're carrying shame, 12:12 and that they have actually had this happen to them. 12:13 Right. 12:15 You have to start somewhere 12:16 and in order to start healing 12:17 you have to admit that it actually happened. 12:19 Okay. So what does the B stand for? 12:22 Believe. 12:23 Believe that you must forgive and you must be forgiven 12:28 and it works for both again. 12:29 Every step works for perpetrator and victim 12:31 because God gave us all the tools 12:33 in scriptures to be used, to be healed, 12:36 to be set free, 12:37 to be to be a new creature in Christ 12:40 Amen. 12:41 You know, and to be filled with His Spirit, 12:42 we must empty ourselves of all that garbage 12:44 that we keep hiding behind. 12:47 So the believe is, 12:48 believe that you've been forgiven 12:51 for your part and even if you didn't... 12:54 If you weren't the perpetrator, 12:55 believe that you've been forgiven 12:57 for all the mistakes that you've made 12:58 because you've been a victim, 12:59 all the things that you've done because you know 13:01 that you've carried all this bitterness, 13:02 and you've made bad choices 13:04 because of this you justified it. 13:05 You have to admit your part of that. 13:07 You've justified your behavior. 13:09 So when you believe that you've been forgiven 13:13 and you believe that you have to forgive, 13:16 you can go forward. 13:17 Yeah, I just want to reiterate one more time. 13:19 We're not saying 13:21 that you have to be forgiven for the act 13:22 if you're the victim, there's no guilt on your part. 13:25 No. 13:26 But the shame that comes 13:28 with this often causes you to do 13:30 some pretty crazy things. 13:32 Very crazy things. 13:33 Get into various addictions, make a lot of wrong choices. 13:39 So first you have to as 1 John 1:9 says, 13:42 believe that God, 13:44 when you ask God for forgiveness 13:46 that you have been forgiven and cleansed 13:48 of all unrighteousness. 13:50 But there's a part, a second part to forgiveness, 13:54 and that it is what? 13:59 The second part of forgiveness... 14:01 The second part of forgiveness 14:02 is once you are receiving forgiveness 14:06 but to be forgiven... 14:07 You must forgive in order to be forgiven. 14:11 Christ says, "I cannot go before the Father 14:13 and forgive you, 14:15 if you cannot forgive your brother." 14:17 It is a requirement to be forgiven 14:19 to forgive others 14:21 and in order to truly love the Lord 14:23 it's something that he requires of us 14:25 we can't just pick the pieces that we want to do. 14:28 We are required by God to forgive. 14:29 Amen. 14:31 He does tell us that, 14:32 and especially in the Parable of the Rich Man, 14:35 who owed 10,000 talents 14:37 and then he was forgiven by his master 14:41 would be forgiven much and then he turns around 14:44 and will not forgive someone who owes him a smaller debt. 14:47 Mm-hm. 14:48 And then Jesus says this in the parable, 14:50 he tells this story 14:52 how this rich man then ends up in jail 14:54 over the whole thing 14:56 and he says so will your Father do to you, 14:58 if you will not forgive, your sins won't be forgiven. 15:01 That's right. 15:02 And that's even in the Lord's Prayer, 15:05 "Forgive us as we forgive others." 15:07 But that's easier said than done. 15:10 You don't forget and sometimes people think 15:15 that you're going to forget that it's going to wipe 15:16 your whole past clean. 15:17 No, it's not, 15:19 but it is going to set you free in order to forgive 15:22 and move on and move forward, 15:25 to forgive those people who have sinned against you, 15:27 just as you have forgiven, that's the Lord's Prayer. 15:30 You know, you have to forgive your debtors that they have... 15:35 you know what I'm saying. 15:36 So forgiveness is essential, Christ came to show that to us. 15:41 Forgiveness is an essential part. 15:42 Yes. 15:43 And it's one of the most vital parts 15:45 and a lot of people have a problem with that 15:46 because they're like I don't want to forgive someone 15:48 who's done this to me and done that to me. 15:49 I don't want to forgive. 15:51 I was I was raped at 15, 15:54 I didn't want to forgive that person. 15:55 He took something from me 15:57 that was vital and yet I lived with that for all my life 16:00 and never shared it until the Lord said, 16:02 "I want you to help others 16:04 that have experienced these things. 16:05 I want you to bury your soul." 16:07 I don't think that... 16:08 In fact, most people are never called 16:10 to bear everything out like I have been 16:12 and I'm not and that's not required of them 16:14 to do that. 16:15 Everything that they need to do 16:16 they can do in the privacy between them and God. 16:19 And, you know, that's interesting 16:20 that you said that, 16:22 because that's something similar 16:23 when I went into ministry. 16:24 I suffered a lot. 16:27 I grew up in a very dysfunctional environment 16:28 and suffered some abuse as well 16:30 but that's something the Lord told me 16:32 that I needed to quit painting this rosy picture. 16:36 I needed to share from my heart, 16:37 admit what had happened 16:39 because it would be healing for other people 16:41 and as you see it 16:43 not everyone is required to do that 16:44 but I think when God puts his hand 16:46 on you for ministry 16:48 particularly, you know, in your case your ministering 16:51 to abuse victims, 16:53 people need to know that yeah I've been there 16:56 and this is what God did for me. 16:58 Absolutely. 16:59 Now, for you I don't know but I remember a time 17:03 when I was praying 17:05 and the Lord impressed upon my heart 17:07 that I had to forgive someone who had threatened to kill me, 17:10 who put us deep into debt, it's a long story, 17:13 but the bottom line is this: 17:15 I didn't want him to be forgiven. 17:17 I didn't want to forgive him 17:18 and I didn't want God to forgive him either 17:20 because I was telling the Lord would he said to forgive him. 17:24 I said, "I don't know how to." 17:26 He said, "Pray for his salvation." 17:28 And I remember saying to the Lord, 17:30 "I don't want him to be saved, let him rot." 17:32 You know where and I may as well say it 17:35 because God knew what I was thinking, right? 17:38 And I know that sounds very unlovely 17:39 and unchrist like 17:40 but I was pretty much 17:42 of a baby Christian at the time. 17:44 And I finally said, "Okay, Lord, 17:47 I will pray for his forgiveness but you know I don't mean it." 17:52 In other words, 17:53 I was gonna be obedient to the Lord 17:55 but I didn't mean what I was saying. 17:57 You know, it's interesting that after two weeks of praying 17:59 for this man's forgiveness, 18:02 I don't know when God did this 18:05 but all of a sudden one day I realized 18:06 I was praying and I meant it. 18:08 I saw him as the lost and suffering person he was. 18:14 I saw that, you know, God forgives me 18:19 for all of my faults 18:20 that I needed to forgive this man 18:22 not that I was going to reestablish a relationship 18:26 with someone who's threatened to kill you, 18:28 it wasn't that. 18:29 But it was something that when I let go of that, 18:33 do you think that he cared? 18:36 Not at all, he didn't care if I forgave him. 18:38 But it absolutely changed my life. 18:40 It's a healing process for you. 18:42 That's why God tells us to... 18:45 It's a healing process for you 18:46 because you cannot go forward 18:48 if you're holding all that bitterness, 18:50 and you're holding all that resentment, 18:51 and you're holding all that anger inside, 18:53 and you can't forgive them, you can't go forward, 18:56 and you can't finalize anything with God 18:58 because you're still in that victim situation. 19:02 And I don't want to be a victim, 19:03 I want to be a vessel for the Lord 19:05 and you can't be both. 19:09 The victim mentality I can always tell 19:10 when somebody tells their story, 19:12 you tell your story and you're so vibrant. 19:16 You've got, you know, a lot in your background 19:19 but you're always so exuberant 19:21 because you're telling what the Lord has done for you. 19:25 When someone still tells their story from the past 19:28 and it's painful, and it's a struggle, 19:30 and it's something that they, 19:32 you know, you could see the resentment in their eyes 19:35 when they're telling it. 19:37 You know, they haven't finished the healing process. 19:39 And it's not a quick fix. No it isn't. 19:41 Scripture is given to us for all types of healing, 19:44 but it's a process it's in here 19:47 that you can use it over and over and over again 19:49 because we as victims tend to fall back in our safety net 19:52 and fall back and hiding behind the things 19:54 that our comfort zones are to make us feel good. 19:58 And these are three steps 19:59 that you can use over and over again 20:01 when you feel yourself falling back 20:02 into that pattern of being the victim, 20:05 and not being used for God. 20:07 And it's something I don't even think about now 20:10 and it's something that has gone so many years 20:12 that I don't fall back into that pattern. 20:15 But so many people will do it 20:16 for years and years and years 20:18 but they can pick up their Bible 20:19 and use those steps again and again and again 20:22 and be set free every time that they want to regress, 20:25 every time they want to go back, 20:26 every time they want to bad. 20:28 And I will tell you 20:29 the step of forgiveness was the part 20:31 where I found out, 20:32 I had multiple personality disorder 20:34 because I did not want to forgive 20:36 one of the people, 20:38 one of the perpetrators 20:39 in my life threatened my life also 20:42 and was very close to me and I loved very dearly, 20:45 but he also was my worst perpetrator 20:49 and to forgive him was very difficult 20:50 because he was dead by the time 20:52 I was going through my recovery. 20:55 And that's where C came in confront the people 21:00 that have hurt you. 21:01 Now I'm not saying you go out and you tell people 21:03 and you ruin people's lives 21:04 because God has specific rules on that as well. 21:07 You never go and destroy someone's home 21:09 or someone's life just so that you feel satisfaction 21:12 or that you feel 21:13 that you need to be healed that way. 21:15 You confront the issue 21:17 whether it's in a letter because, 21:18 I wrote a letter to the deceased person. 21:21 You can write a letter, we burn those at the end. 21:23 No one reads those letters, but you need to confront, 21:26 you need to expose yourself and say all the things 21:28 that you needed to say. 21:29 And one of the letters that they will have to write 21:31 is a letter to God. 21:32 You have to confront God, 21:34 you have to let him and open him up 21:36 and say this is how I felt about all of this. 21:39 Where do you stand on that, God? 21:40 Where are you? 21:42 Where were you when this is happening to me? 21:43 And where do you stand with me now? 21:45 You know, am I worthy to be called your daughter 21:48 because there are so many people 21:50 that have gone through all this 21:51 that just don't see themselves as heirs to the kingdom. 21:56 Right. 21:57 They still can't accept the fact 21:59 that God's blood has purified them. 22:02 He has made them new and whole, and it's an awesome thing, 22:06 and I just... 22:07 I have a burden for those people 22:08 because I know it took me 42 years 22:10 to be set free from that. 22:12 And I don't want people to go 42 years 22:14 without knowing the love of Jesus. 22:15 I don't want them to go a day 22:17 without knowing how precious they are to God. 22:20 So let me ask you a question 22:21 because there are some personalities 22:22 when you said confront, 22:24 I was thinking could I go and confront, 22:27 I mean, I'm that person 22:29 who doesn't care for confrontation. 22:32 Mm-hm. 22:34 So if I'm hearing you correctly, 22:36 if someone does not want to go 22:38 and have a conversation with someone, 22:40 you can just write the letter out, 22:42 which is very cathartic just getting it out. 22:44 First of all let's back up a little bit. 22:45 All right. 22:47 When you confront you're not going to go 22:48 and confront and ruin somebody's life. 22:50 You are also going to go with God. 22:52 You would pray about it 22:53 before you would ever do anything, 22:55 before you ever confront that person face to face, 22:57 and God may never have you go face to face with that person. 23:00 And God may simply say a letter is fine, 23:02 sometimes he will say I want you to call them, 23:05 it's between you and God, how he leads you. 23:07 And now I had a gentleman 23:09 because I do seminars that are for men and women. 23:12 And I had a gentleman 23:14 who actually went out of that C meeting, 23:16 the confronting meeting, 23:17 called his dad 23:19 who he hadn't spoken to in 10 years 23:21 and talked to his dad and came in weeping 23:23 and, you know, they had healed a rift 23:26 in their relationship. 23:28 Whatever it was, I still don't know to this day 23:30 but he just was so thankful. 23:33 I had another man and his wife who had been married 50 years 23:37 who thanked me that that I did this for the men 23:40 that I let them come to this workshop 23:42 so they could know how 23:43 they could help their wives biblically with God. 23:45 Yes. 23:46 For healing because a lot of times 23:48 we just tend to reach out to women 23:51 but victimization includes two people includes 23:55 the whole family. 23:56 If there is healing process there needs to be the knowledge 24:00 of how to help those people. 24:01 And as we're finding now statistically 24:04 even though that women are abused 24:05 about twice as often as men, 24:07 we're finding that 24:08 there are whole lot of abused men. 24:10 Absolutely. 24:11 But often at you're workshops 24:13 what you will do is take these letters 24:16 and then have a big bonfire, tell you about. 24:19 We have a bonfire to freedom, I call it a bonfire to freedom. 24:22 These messages that I usually do for abuse 24:25 I call on my freedom messages. 24:26 They're freedom messages, 24:28 they're to set you free I use all the freedom messages 24:30 that God gives you to have a newness in Christ, 24:33 to walk in the spirit 24:34 to be a different person made new, 24:36 and cleanse and create in me a new heart, 24:39 Lord, what David had said in Psalms, 24:41 I just love that. 24:42 And that's what we yearn for but we just don't know 24:44 how to get but once we have the tools 24:47 that we can work with over and over again, 24:49 we can have with that new heart, 24:50 we can have that newness of spirit, 24:52 we can walk with God, 24:53 and so when they have done those processes 24:56 and they have written those letters 24:57 no one is ever going to see those letters. 24:59 People are afraid to write 25:01 what they feel towards their perpetrator. 25:04 So I say write them 25:05 no one is ever going to see them 25:07 we're going to go to a bonfire freedom, 25:09 and we sing around the bonfire, and we praise God, 25:11 and we weep and we pray for one another 25:14 and we share because we understand 25:17 where we've been and that sets the freedom 25:19 and I will tell you. 25:21 We have people in my church in Ketchum, Oklahoma, 25:24 that started at my seminar, 25:26 that started in the workshop, that were never Adventist so... 25:29 Praise the Lord. 25:30 I praise God, 25:32 you know, it's to his glory 25:33 it's for it's one of his babies 25:34 and this is what my deepest desire 25:36 is to help one of his babies 25:38 find him that he can bring home. 25:41 Amen. 25:43 Now if someone, 25:45 I do want to put up your e-mail address 25:48 because if someone needs these ABC's 25:51 and would like to get in touch with Marie, 25:54 you can reach 25:55 or at Rioverdefischer. 26:01 At MSN. At MSN.com. 26:03 That's 26:05 Rioverdefischer@amazon.com. 26:12 Yes, no at MSN.com. 26:17 Can't buy me at Amazon. No we can't buy you at Amazon. 26:20 You know, it is amazing how God is using you, 26:23 and I know that you go to many churches 26:25 and do this, 26:26 and he's using you as a speaker in the minute 26:29 that we have left tell me 26:31 how long was the process for you? 26:34 This healing process. 26:36 This healing process for me 26:38 probably took me the whole year, 26:41 a whole year of really my recovery 26:44 from the accident took me a whole year 26:46 to go back to work. 26:47 It took me that whole year and nine months, 26:49 I wrote the ABC's of healing, 9 months after the accident, 26:53 so within 10 months I had given my first one 26:56 and so it probably took a whole year for me 26:58 to implement into my life 26:59 and really find that God can do amazing things. 27:04 Amen. 27:05 It has been said that we learn to teach 27:10 and we teach to learn. 27:12 It's usually as you're sharing with others 27:14 what you've learned 27:17 that you've really, really learned. 27:19 I can't believe how fast our time 27:20 has gone by but, Marie, 27:22 we'd like for you to come back 27:23 because there are some other topics 27:25 we'd like for you to speak to. 27:26 Thank you so much for being with us today. 27:27 Thank you for having me. 27:29 And for those of you at home as always our prayer for you 27:31 is that the grace of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, 27:34 the love of the Father 27:36 and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit 27:37 will be with you always. 27:39 Thanks for joining us. |
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