Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn.
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And we welcome you
again to Issues and Answers.
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Today, the issue
we will be discussing
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is conscience and mental health.
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And, boy, those two
things are highly related.
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And our answers
are going to be coming
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from a lovely person,
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someone who's
become dear to my heart.
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She is a
beautiful Christian woman
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who also has such a
spirit of humility about her.
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And she's highly educated.
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She has her doctorate
in counseling psychology.
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I had to stop and think
about that for a second.
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But let me introduce
Magna Parks-Porterfield.
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And, Magna, we are so glad
that you're here again today.
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Thank you, Shelley.
It's good to be here again.
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And we've had a couple
with you that we discussed
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the ways to
optimize mental health.
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But today, we
just ask you to stay by
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so that we could get
another program out of you.
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And we're going to be
talking about something
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that you've been on your heart,
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and that's
conscience and mental health.
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Please tell me...
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First, for those
who don't know you
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let me just...
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let you give a little
two or three minute bio.
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Tell us a little who you are.
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Well, as you mentioned,
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I have a PhD in
counseling, psychology.
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I've taught on
the college level,
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I've been in private practice
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and now I have my own ministry
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where we educate people
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on mental health and
physical health as well
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because my
husband is well trained
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in the physical health area.
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I've been in this
field for a long time.
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I'm not gonna
say how many years,
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'cause that will date me,
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but I enjoy it
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and the Lord has
brought me to a point of seeing
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the importance of
His biblical methods
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and principles for mental health
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and so I look at
research, I look at that,
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I look at inspired writings,
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and try to help people
through educating, counseling,
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however, the Lord brings my...
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whatever He brings my way.
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Amen. That's excellent.
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So if we are just
gonna launch into our topic,
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conscience and mental health.
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First, define
what is conscience?
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Well, there's a lot of different
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definitions out there
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but the basic
way of defining it is
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a knowledge of what is
right and what is wrong.
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Okay.
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And we're all born
with that knowledge
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of what is right or wrong.
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That's interesting.
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Yes, even those
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who don't acknowledge God
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have that inherent
sense of right and wrong.
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You know, Paul talks about that,
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I think it's in Romans,
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where he talks
about the gentiles
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not having a law unto themselves
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but their
conscience bearing witness.
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Yes.
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God gives all of us
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the knowledge of
what's right and wrong.
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And I think that
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that's very true that
there are so many people
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who know it's wrong to murder.
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I mean, in so many societies,
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now there are some
who have taught otherwise,
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but that's interesting,
and I do believe that.
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But if your conscience...
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Explain how the
conscience functions.
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Okay.
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Well, one of the things
it does is that it points us
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to what we ought to do.
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Okay.
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All of us has that little voice.
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As Christians, we
say the Holy Spirit,
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but when we are
getting ready to do something,
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we have that voice,
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if it's properly trained,
I should add, that says,
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"This is not
something you should do.
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And this is
something you should do."
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So the conscience
points us as to what to do.
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And then the conscience
also judges our actions.
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So when we make that decision,
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the conscience
will actually say to us,
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"You know, what
you did was not right,
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and what you did was wrong."
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But then,
there's a third process
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or function of the
conscience and that is,
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it passes sentence on us
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after we've made that decision
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and that's where
guilt may come in or shame
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because the
conscience leads us to say,
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"You shouldn't have
done that. It's not right."
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And you may feel the guilt
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and the shame that
comes about from the decision
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that you've made.
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Oh, amen.
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I think I have a
highly active conscience
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because if I say anything,
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I would never
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intentionally wound
somebody with my words
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and if you say
something in a joking manner
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that maybe
isn't taken as a joke,
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or you say something
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that you learned
offended somebody,
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or you may realize
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when you walk away
that didn't react properly,
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I will immediately think,
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"Oh, I
shouldn't have done that."
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But then, I can
beat myself up over that
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but I'm quick to go
and apologize to someone
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if I think I have offended them.
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You have a
sensitive tender conscience.
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Yeah, but why
when you think about...
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If the conscience is
functioning to tell us
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this is what we
should do or shouldn't do,
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this is something that
perhaps you recognize that...
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you walk away from a situation
feeling uneasy, and thinking,
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"Oh, I
shouldn't have done this."
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Is that what you would
call violating your conscience.
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Very much so, very much so.
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And actually
what I have found out,
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and I've read and
I've seen it in my own life
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and other people's lives,
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well, maybe not in my own life,
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but people suffering
with depression and anxiety,
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sometimes, some of these people
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are dealing with consciences
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that has been
violated more than is healthy.
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And so I
remember reading a story
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about a young lady.
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She was depressed,
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she tried all kind of methods
to deal with her depression.
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Somehow, she ran across
the information on conscience.
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As she started to
analyze her life each day
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in her decisions
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whether it be
taking a pen from work home
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that wasn't hers,
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as she started to
pay more attention
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to what her
conscience was telling her
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and started to
follow and listen to more
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of the things that
she knew was right.
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Guess what happened to
the depression, Shelley.
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It was gone.
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It was gone,
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just by her starting
to pay more attention
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to that conscience.
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Can I tell you a
quick story? Sure.
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This was years and
years and years ago,
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we were fairly newly
weds, my husband and I.
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And we married
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we had a great debt
hanging over our heads
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when we married.
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And I went into Walmart once.
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Somebody had told me
about this face cream
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that was marvelous.
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It was close to Christmastime.
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So I went into Walmart
and this face cream ended up
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being like $50.
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And I thought,
"Oh, I can't do that.
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We're too broke."
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But I decided I
was going to splurge
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that was my
Christmas present to me.
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Well, I bought it.
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And I went out
and I got in the car.
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And I was thinking,
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"How did all this
add up to only $85?"
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And I went and I
pulled out my slip,
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and I looked
through the receipt.
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They had not charged
me for this face cream.
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So, you know, you
could sit there and think,
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"Ooh, I just
landed a great gift."
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But my conscience
wouldn't allow me.
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And I'll tell you why.
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It's because I knew
angels are watching me,
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you know, no one
else might have known
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but God knew and
angels are watching me,
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and I wanted to
be a good witness.
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So I went back into
the store which was so busy
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because this is
so close to Christmas
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and I had to wait
forever and I got to this lady.
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Finally, I said,
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"You didn't charge me for this."
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She sent me to customer service.
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It took forever.
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And they were upset with me
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for coming back into
the, you know, store.
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This lady said,
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"You're just
causing such a hassle.
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Why didn't you go on?"
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And I looked at her and I said,
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"Well, my conscience
wouldn't allow that."
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And I almost went miffed
back to the car, thinking,
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"I can't believe I
got in trouble for this."
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And then the Lord
really shared with me
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that I had been
a witness for Him.
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That's right.
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I mean, that's an
interesting experience.
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It is.
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And there are people who
are always often violating
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that same thing
that you responded to,
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and that leads to
problems with mental health.
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It really does.
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Lack of peace, lack
of joy, even anxiety.
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There's another story
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I can add to a
gentleman who got out of prison
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and he would not leave
the house during the day.
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And while he was at
home, he would stay there,
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but he would
only go out at night
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because he was so
plagued by what he was done
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that he... what he had done
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that he felt that
everybody was after him,
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so this violation of conscience
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can even affect
your level of anxiety
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and trust in people
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because you're so
used to doing those things
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that are wrong that
you think everybody else
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was looking at you
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and wanting to
do the same thing.
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So that's why,
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you know, we talk
about violating conscience
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but it can affect
the peace and contentment
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that we have in our own lives.
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But I suppose one
of the greatest ways
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to violate your conscience,
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and I'll just go
back to my example,
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if I had realized that,
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"Yes, this was,
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you know, they didn't charge me.
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Well, I don't want to go
back in there in that mob."
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If I had driven home,
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I would have
violated my conscience
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and by doing something,
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when you're being
led to do what's right,
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and you do what's wrong,
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it then
violates your conscience.
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Let's say that
somebody had an affair,
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then their
conscience is violated,
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so then how they respond
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to that
violation is very important
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because if you don't correct it,
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I guess, you end up
going off the deep end.
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You know, you
bring that story up,
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and that example
up and it reminds me
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of another story of
a couple who I knew.
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And the husband started to
hear voices and see things.
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And the wife
started to question,
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"Honey, why you
think what's happening?"
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Finally, after
a couple of weeks,
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he reported that he had
had multiple affairs on her.
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So his conscience
was bothering him,
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and as of result of him
violating his conscience,
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and not responding to
the Holy Spirit's voice,
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he started to
experience psychotic symptoms.
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And I personally
believe that some people
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sitting in
psychiatric hospitals right now
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is because they
violated their conscience
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so much and they're
dealing with all the guilt
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that's coming from them.
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There's no research to
support what I'm saying
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but that one little story
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and
understanding of the conscience
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helps me to know that
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that can affect us our
mental health in that way.
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Did he live to correct this?
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He did correct it. He did?
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I just realized
what you are saying.
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If my husband had
confessed multiple affairs,
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he may not have had to worry
about violating conscience.
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No. But, yeah.
It's just amazing.
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And the other thing when
I think about conscience,
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you've heard of the
words psychopath and sociopath.
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In the field of psychology,
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they describe them
as having no conscience
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and I used to believe
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that until I
started to read the Bible.
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We all have a conscience.
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What has happened to them
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is that they've
engaged in these behaviors,
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they've so used to persistently
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violating their conscience
and just ignoring that voice,
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that they
actually get to the point
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where the Bible say
they seared their conscience.
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When something is seared,
you no longer feel it, do you?
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It becomes numb.
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And so when you hear
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these people committing
these horrendous acts...
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One author that I
like, Ellen White,
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she says that things were done,
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and I love this word
"imperceptibly," imperceptibly.
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So all along,
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they've been
violating their conscience
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in various areas,
violating, to eventually
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it leads to this horrendous act
that we see coming on the news,
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shooting in
schools, going postal,
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killing their children.
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It doesn't just
happen all overnight,
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it's a continual
violation of conscience
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that eventually
leads to this big acts.
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So this violation of
conscience is a serious thing
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that we need to take very,
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you know, pay a
lot of attention to
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because it can
lead us doing things
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we'd never imagine we'd do.
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But do you think
that all psychotic breaks,
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I mean, we wouldn't say
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that all psychotic breaks are...
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No, no.
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Because there are people,
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when you mentioned
killing your children,
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I'm thinking of the stories
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where you
realize it was somebody
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who is
violating their conscience
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because they were
doing it to rid themselves
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of the responsibilities
of caring for their children.
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But then you hear
stories of mothers,
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I'm thinking of the poor mother,
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down in Texas who
drove her children off
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into the ocean who was bipolar,
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so there are chemical imbalance,
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we're not saying that anybody
who has a psychotic break
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is because of a
seared conscience
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but seared conscience
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can certainly lead
to a psychotic break.
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Yes.
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I'm glad you're making
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that clarification
let's people should think
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it's always due to that.
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You're right.
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Another thing about conscience,
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and you kind of
referred to that earlier,
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I think, you and I were talking,
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the whole area
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of a falsely trained conscience.
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Some of us go up in
homes where we sent messages
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that can easily
lead us to feel guilt
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about the very
little, smallest things,
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and things that
are not really wrong
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we taught are wrong.
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So that when we get older,
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it's just we're so sensitive
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and it doesn't take
much to just really cause us
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to feel guilt
and shame at things
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we shouldn't feel
guilt and shame about.
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And that's a
falsely trained conscience.
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And the thing about a
falsely trained conscience
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as well is that it
can completely interrupt
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your relationship with the Lord.
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And let me say
this just personally.
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I grew up believing
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I had to be
perfect for God to love me.
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That is a falsely
trained conscience
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to where anything I did,
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that was anything
less than perfect,
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I remember when I
first went to college,
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they called me goody
two shoes and all that
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because I tried so hard
to do everything perfectly
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because at the time
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I'd been trained
I would burn in...
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I don't think...
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I think I was...
my motivation was
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so I wouldn't
burn eternally in hell,
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and you finally get to a point
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when you've been falsely trained
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that the conscience,
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you get to a point
where you recognize
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this is absolutely...
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your expectations
are too high of me,
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I give up, and you don't
want that constant burden
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in your conscience and I
went the other direction.
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I actually kind of walked away
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from the Lord for
a couple of years.
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He chased me down.
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But it was like,
"Lord, I can't please you.
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So why try?"
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You know, you want to
put salve on your conscience.
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That's right. You
wanted to heal that.
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That's right. Yeah.
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And parents have
to be so careful.
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One person said that
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a person, a child
is born with a canvas,
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just a clean canvas
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and the parents
can paint on things,
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on their things
that are right or wrong.
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And that person grows up
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with those impressions
of what is right and wrong
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and that
educates their conscience
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either for good or for bad.
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We have to be very careful,
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those who are
parents to make sure
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that we're teaching our
children to have a clean,
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pure, healthy conscience
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and not
bringing them up in homes
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with a lot of dos and don'ts
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and they had that
falsely trained conscience
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and takes away from
their mental experience,
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healthy one,
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and spiritual
experience as well.
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Amen, amen. This is good stuff.
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Yeah.
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You know, there's a thing,
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this quote from
counsels to teachers
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I believe it is and she says,
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"The
consciousness of right doing
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is the best medicine for
deceased bodies and minds."
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Isn't that powerful?
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The consciousness of right doing
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is the best medicine for
deceased bodies and minds?
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Doing right
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not because we're
trying to earn salvation,
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not because we're
trying to please God
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but just because
we know in our minds,
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this is right and this is wrong.
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And doing it can give us
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the most freedom from
deceased bodies and minds.
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And, you know, you're
seeing the science now
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that supports this,
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that if you're
suffering from a lot of guilt,
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it causes stress on the
body, you get stomach ulcers,
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you get all kinds of
colon issues, heart issues,
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all of these various things
but they're also finding now
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that this has a great deal to do
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with your mental
and emotional health.
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Right. I've dealt
with so many people.
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I remember a
woman who came to me
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she was feeling so bad.
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Her conscience, I
guess, was bothering her
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based on some of the things
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that she did to her
children, and I just quickly,
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because I was
running through the hall,
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getting ready to go
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from one seminar to the next,
I was at a church and she says,
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"You know, Dr. Parks,
I don't know what to do.
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My conscience is
just bothering me.
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I feel so guilty."
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And I just prayed to the
Lord, I said a quick prayer.
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And I said to her,
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"You know, I want you to go home
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and just read
Psalms 32 and Psalms 51."
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She said, "Why those Psalms?"
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I said, "Those
are the two Psalms
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that David wrote
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when he was
dealing with his guilt
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from Bathsheba
and killing Uriah.
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And, Shelley, this
doesn't always happen.
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The next day, I saw her
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because I was doing a series
of seminars at this church,
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her face looked
different, bright,
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and I told her to put your name
in place of when she says me,
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mine, the
pronouns and she came back
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and she said, "I
did what you told me
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and the Lord has just
lifted this guilt from me."
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Praise the Lord.
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And I said, "Praise God."
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You know, He gives us remedies
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for dealing with
these violated consciences.
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And I think it's important,
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one of my favorite scriptures,
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I've just turned
to here is 1 John 3,
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and I'm going to
begin with verse 20.
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Let me just read this.
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It says, John wrote and said,
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"For if our heart condemns us,
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God is greater than our
hearts, and knows all things.
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Beloved, if our
hearts does not condemn us,
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we have confidence
toward God and whatever we ask,
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we receive from Him
00:18:00.34\00:18:01.74
because we keep His
commands and do those things
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that are pleasing in His sight."
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The thing about having
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that guilt-ridden conscience
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as far as it affecting
00:18:14.36\00:18:15.69
your physical
health and mental health,
00:18:15.72\00:18:17.56
it can certainly
affect your spiritual health
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because if you feel
guilty around someone,
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what do you do?
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You avoid them. That's right.
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And so if our heart condemns us,
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we don't feel like we
can go before the Lord.
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But when our heart
doesn't condemn us,
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then we are quick to pray.
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Amen.
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So that makes perfect
sense. Yeah, it's amazing.
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How many are suffering right now
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because of that
and not recognizing
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the importance of
dealing with that.
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So what can we do
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when you're looking
at all of these things
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that happen with the conscience,
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what can we do to
strengthen our conscience?
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There are lot of
different things we can do.
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The first thing that
comes to my mind, Shelley,
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is everyday at
the end of the day,
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we need to
review our acts, daily.
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Now what I mean by that,
00:19:01.70\00:19:03.04
you sit down and
just spend some time
00:19:03.07\00:19:04.41
and if you're a Christian,
00:19:04.44\00:19:05.77
you ask the Holy
Spirit because the Bible says,
00:19:05.81\00:19:07.28
"Search my heart and try
me and know my thoughts."
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So asking God,
00:19:10.58\00:19:11.91
"Okay, today,
father, what did I do?
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How did I listen to your voice?
00:19:13.85\00:19:15.42
How did I listen
to the conscience?
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Show me where I have,
you know, failed you."
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And when He reveals
it, asking for forgiveness
00:19:19.49\00:19:22.69
so that the enemy
won't come in and condemn you
00:19:22.72\00:19:24.96
as it's revealed the
way that you did that
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and the more you
review your acts,
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the more sensitive
you be the next day.
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That's good.
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You know, so daily reviewing
your acts, very important.
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Another thing is...
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Can I ask you? Sure.
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You said you do this?
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How long do you
usually spend doing this?
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Daily reviewing
the acts? It can vary.
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It's just a few minutes really.
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It depends on what
you've done that day
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that violated the conscience
but just a few minutes,
00:19:50.89\00:19:53.62
just some people
may write things down
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because sometimes
writing things down is helpful
00:19:55.59\00:19:57.53
instead of
keeping them in your head.
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Cathartic?
Cathartic. That's right.
00:19:58.93\00:20:00.86
So it just depends on
where you are with your walk
00:20:00.90\00:20:03.33
with the Lord
00:20:03.37\00:20:04.70
and how much has
gone on that day,
00:20:04.73\00:20:06.27
but a few minutes
is probably ample time.
00:20:06.30\00:20:08.70
Yeah.
00:20:08.74\00:20:10.07
Of course, reading the Bible.
00:20:10.11\00:20:11.44
You ever heard people say,
00:20:11.47\00:20:12.81
"Well, I didn't feel bad
00:20:12.84\00:20:14.18
because my conscience
didn't bother me about it."
00:20:14.21\00:20:15.64
You ever heard that? Sure.
00:20:15.68\00:20:17.01
Our conscience,
I have to add this,
00:20:17.05\00:20:18.38
is not always a good guide
00:20:18.41\00:20:20.08
if it's not
educated by the Bible.
00:20:20.12\00:20:21.68
Amen.
00:20:21.72\00:20:23.05
It has to be
educated by the Word of God.
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So when you say your
conscience doesn't bother you,
00:20:24.79\00:20:27.26
my question is,
00:20:27.29\00:20:28.62
in my mind or
sometimes I might say it
00:20:28.66\00:20:30.13
if it is a
person I'm working with,
00:20:30.16\00:20:32.56
who educated your conscience?
00:20:32.59\00:20:33.96
Is it based on what you've
seen on television, movies,
00:20:34.00\00:20:36.77
or is it God's word?
00:20:36.80\00:20:38.17
See, that's another
falsely trained conscience.
00:20:38.20\00:20:40.70
Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
00:20:40.74\00:20:42.07
You know, that is not just
00:20:42.10\00:20:43.61
when expectations are put on you
00:20:43.64\00:20:45.44
but when there
are no expectations,
00:20:45.47\00:20:47.64
when you are receiving
00:20:47.68\00:20:49.04
what the world
is saying is right,
00:20:49.08\00:20:51.78
your conscience
is falsely trained
00:20:51.81\00:20:54.22
and then I know that
there are people who...
00:20:54.25\00:20:58.45
When I've
talked about repentance
00:20:58.49\00:21:00.16
and the gift of repentance,
00:21:00.19\00:21:01.76
and there's people who are like,
00:21:01.79\00:21:03.12
"Well, I don't sin,"
00:21:03.16\00:21:04.49
you know, and I'm thinking
00:21:04.53\00:21:06.13
how much of the Word
of God do you have in you?
00:21:06.16\00:21:09.26
And the beautiful thing
about this is interesting.
00:21:09.30\00:21:12.13
Because at home,
you might be thinking,
00:21:12.17\00:21:13.70
"Well, if I don't
know maybe I'm better off."
00:21:13.74\00:21:16.77
But once you learn
what is pleasing to God,
00:21:16.81\00:21:20.68
and then you realize
what's displeasing to Him,
00:21:20.71\00:21:24.88
and you pray for forgiveness,
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but God just magnifies
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the power of His
love in your life
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it seems to me
because your conscience,
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as it gets trained,
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life just gets better
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with a correctly
trained conscience.
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Amen, amen.
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So you're making that method
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for training your
conscience even bigger.
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Not only read
the Bible regularly
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but watch what you
are putting into your mind
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because that has an
impact on your conscience.
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So that's another
way of strengthening it.
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And actually I
can say this early
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the conscience
is actually housed
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in the frontal lobe,
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so whatever we do to
strengthen the frontal lobe,
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will actually
strengthen our conscience.
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All right, so explain to someone
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who doesn't know
what the frontal lobe is.
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Okay.
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What that is and
how would we strengthen
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the frontal lobe?
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All right, the frontal lobe,
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as it says, it's that lobe
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that's in the
front of our heads...
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In the brain. Brain, right.
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And there are things
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that we can do to
make it stronger or weaker.
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What is the
function of the frontal lobe?
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It helps us to make
decisions, it's for judgment.
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It helps us to know
what's right or wrong.
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Spirituality is
housed in the frontal lobe,
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our will is housed,
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all of these things
about decision-making
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and judgment, and morality,
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all of those are
housed in the frontal lobe.
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And so going back to
what we said earlier,
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when you read the Bible
that actually strengthens
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the frontal lobe,
because the Bible...
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especially Proverbs.
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It takes time to
analyze and understand
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what Solomon is saying
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and as you're
doing that analysis
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and that critical examination,
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you're actually
exercising your mind.
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So whatever
activity you can do to
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exercise your mind,
exercises the frontal lobe.
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So when I pull out a novel,
or a sensational magazine,
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I'm not
exercising my frontal lobe,
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because it doesn't
take much thinking for me
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to be able to
understand those things.
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So watch what you're reading
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to strengthen the frontal lobe
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which will in turn
strengthen your conscience,
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read more of the Bible
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and, of course, just
lifestyle in general,
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how do you eat, sleep,
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all those things can strengthen
the frontal lobe as well.
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What we listen to,
all of these things
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which in turn will also
strengthen your conscience.
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When you said listen to,
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I was thinking of my
niece when she was young 13, 14,
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and I was cleaning up her room.
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I was caring
for her at that time
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and I went in to
clean up her room
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just because I
couldn't take it any longer,
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so I was
straightening out things
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and I found her headset.
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It was still going
and I put it up to my ear
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and all I could hear of
00:23:51.89\00:23:53.26
was it was a song
about suicide and I realized
00:23:53.29\00:23:57.03
she'd been listening
to it all night long,
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she listened to the
music while she slept
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and before I could
even control myself,
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I got that thing
and I broke that CD.
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And when she came home,
00:24:08.68\00:24:10.01
I told her what I've
done and I apologized
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but I explained to her.
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I said, "Do you realize
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that there's not a
more sophisticated computer
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in the world than your brain."
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Yes.
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But one thing
that when I studied,
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when I was studying
computer programming,
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what we were taught is
garbage in, garbage out
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and that you could see I
can remember many a night
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in the lab there,
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you know, three
o'clock in the morning
00:24:34.74\00:24:36.57
and because I had
used the wrong syntax,
00:24:36.60\00:24:39.14
it had a semicolon
instead of a colon,
00:24:39.17\00:24:41.04
when you're
trying to write software
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for the computers,
that it was garbage in.
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So all I was
getting was in a loop
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and I'm getting
nothing out and I told her,
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"You are programming your
brain to think about suicide."
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And I sometimes wonder
with all these hip hop music
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and various things that
kids listen to now adays,
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if this isn't something that,
00:24:59.79\00:25:02.90
you know, would you think
that this could be something
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that is actually
making these actions manifest.
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You know, even like the
games, the computer games
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where they are
killing and stuff,
00:25:16.08\00:25:17.95
they begin to
sear their conscience.
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There you go.
That's what's happening.
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And that's what makes it so easy
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for a young man come up to you,
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pull out the gun,
and just shoot you,
00:25:24.82\00:25:26.15
and have no remorse.
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All along,
they've been desensitizing
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their conscience by the music,
by the gaming, by the movies.
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They're desensitizing in
weakening the conscience.
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Okay.
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Well, we've got a
couple more minutes.
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What other things can we do
to strengthen our conscience?
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Actually, prayer.
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You know, the Bible
says, "If we confess our sins,
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He's faithful and
just to forgive us our sins
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and cleanse us from
all unrighteousness."
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Through prayer,
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when we found we have
violated the conscience,
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we can go to the
Lord and say, "Forgive me.
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Father, help me to listen more
to the Holy Spirit's voice."
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And so praying can do a lot.
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And just one simple thing is,
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each day, start
to be more careful
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with listening to that
voice, for us as Christians,
00:26:01.66\00:26:04.46
we say the Holy Spirit,
00:26:04.49\00:26:05.83
but because all of
us have a conscience,
00:26:05.86\00:26:07.20
they just have a voice
00:26:07.23\00:26:08.56
that says do this
and don't do that,
00:26:08.60\00:26:09.96
start to listen to that voice
00:26:10.00\00:26:11.43
even if it means
delaying gratification,
00:26:11.47\00:26:14.34
denying self, start to pay
more attention to that voice
00:26:14.37\00:26:17.61
and just listening to it as
it speaks is something else.
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And then something that
I read in by Ellen White,
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she says, "Behold
in Christ crucified."
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We'll just
educate our conscience
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as we see what He's done for us
00:26:28.78\00:26:30.72
and we imagine Him on that cross
00:26:30.75\00:26:32.29
and what He's done,
00:26:32.32\00:26:33.66
it will help us
to be more sensitive
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to want to follow the
lifestyle that He's given to us.
00:26:35.36\00:26:39.26
You become or
become what you behold.
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That's right.
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So those are the things,
00:26:42.40\00:26:43.73
that I daily reviewing our acts,
00:26:43.77\00:26:45.23
praying, making that choice
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when we hear the
voice of the Holy Spirit
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and behold in
Christ crucified...
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Studying in the Bible.
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Studying the Bible, yes.
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Magna, as always,
00:26:54.04\00:26:55.68
it's a delight to have you here.
00:26:55.71\00:26:57.55
And I just praise
God for the ministry
00:26:57.58\00:26:59.78
that you are doing.
00:26:59.81\00:27:01.15
And if you want to
get in touch with Magna,
00:27:01.18\00:27:02.85
you can reach her
00:27:02.88\00:27:04.22
at info@bingoodhealth.com,
00:27:04.25\00:27:10.16
info@bingoodhealth.com.
00:27:10.19\00:27:16.23
And thank you so
much for taking time
00:27:16.26\00:27:19.03
from your busy
schedule to come here.
00:27:19.07\00:27:21.70
I know your precious
husband travels with you.
00:27:21.74\00:27:23.91
He is in the
control room right now
00:27:23.94\00:27:26.57
but we're very
pleased to have you here
00:27:26.61\00:27:28.74
and thank you for bringing
us this wonderful message.
00:27:28.78\00:27:31.68
For those of you at home,
00:27:31.71\00:27:33.08
our prayer is that
00:27:33.11\00:27:34.48
the grace of our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ,
00:27:34.52\00:27:37.42
the love of the Father,
00:27:37.45\00:27:38.79
and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit
00:27:38.82\00:27:40.76
will be with you
today and always.
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Thanks for joining us.
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