In today's
society there is a lot of
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bullying and peer
pressure that goes on
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for teenagers.
And believe it or not
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this is something that
can lead to depression.
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We're gonna be
continuing our series
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on depression with Dr. Cynthia
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Powell-Hicks. Please join us.
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Thanks for tuning in again today
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and I believe this
is going to be a program
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that will help
you recognize some
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important matters
in your life perhaps
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in yours teens
life, your children
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or your grandchildren
and also in our home.
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But before we
began, there is a scripture
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that I want to read
because this is one of
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my favorite
promises in the Bible.
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It's comes from
Psalm 3:3 and it says,
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You, O LORD, are a
shield for me; my glory,
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and the one who
lifts up my head.
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No matter how far down you think
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you're right now. God
can still cup his hand
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under your chin
till your face heavenward
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and he can bring
you up out of that
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pit of
depression. Please help me
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welcome our special guest
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Dr. Cynthia
Powell-Hicks and Cynthia
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thank you so much for returning.
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Oh thanks for having
me it was such delight
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the last time I was
here. Well you have a
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PhD in clinical psychology
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and you've done a
lot of work in your life
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with actually a
good part of your career
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has been dedicated
to you. You tell us
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about that. Yes, I
was a psychologist,
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I had private
practice for six years
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and I worked
with children that had
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clinical depression
as well as I specialized
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working with abused children.
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Why do you think
that we see so much?
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I mean truly today
we're hearing more and more
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the teen suicide rate
is that the second leading
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cause of death in
teens or the first leading
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cause? For the
females, it's definitely
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the first, yeah, it's
the first leading cause
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of death. Now see
for most of us that seem
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incomprehensible.
Why, why are so many teens
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getting clinically
depressed and to that
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point of feeling hopeless?
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And then I just want to clarify,
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you know the
leading cause is because
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I also include when
teens are using drugs
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and using alcohol
because that is the
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form of, you know,
self destructive behavior,
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which does lead to
suicide and then they
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have the DUIs, they
have the auto accidents,
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so I see it all
and check together.
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The teens now,
it's really a rough time
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for teen's especially
Christian teens trying
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to adhere to
what they have learned
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all their lives and
then go off to public schools
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or even in our
own schools because
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of the peer
pressure. The people,
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adults want to be
accepted and teens
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definitely want to
be cool and accepted
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and not rejected.
They don't want to be
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classified as
nerds, I had a patient say
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I don't want to
do well in school.
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You know because
I don't want to be
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classified as a nerd. Oh. Yeah,
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I said a nerd just
to learn in the classes
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so that you can
get out of school.
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And then sometimes
as I mentioned earlier
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they will
self-medicate, they will use
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the marijuana.
They will use excessive;
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they will use
the alcohol to cope
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with the depression
or the lack of connecting
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with others. Well we know that
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with the popularity
of these internet sites
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such as facebook and
various ones that are
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now available.
There has been a lot of
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cyber bullying
where people are saying
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nasty things about
others and putting it
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in print, lot of
times it isn't true,
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but they have this
bullying in what kind,
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what affect does
bullying have on a
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teenage mind. It's devastating.
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I mean, we see it in
the news all the time
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and then the most
heinous that I just
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recently saw where the mother
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was the one doing
it. When adults started
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hacking our youth, you know,
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we are really
having issues and really
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having problems, but
our youth that are having
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this or teens
that are having this
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they are actually believing
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what's
happening or what they are
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actually saying about them.
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So a person that
might be marginal
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with the self
image anyway because,
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you know, that's kind
of an awkward face of life
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if we can remember
back to that stage,
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you now. Our hair,
our teeth, our skin,
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you know it so. So
then when people are saying
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something that
you've been thinking
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about yourself and
then now it's on cyberspace
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or say you send a
picture of yourself,
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you texting it to someone else
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so they can see.
How you look in this
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particular outfit or
you know how your face
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or hair is looking
and then they can just
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store it, they can
send it to the world
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and that can be
very devastating.
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So something that
you just want to share
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with the friend or
with one or two people
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now is throughout
the nation. Yeah. See
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I think that's the
one thing that teens
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and adults like do
not even stop to consider
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is that everything
that you put on these
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chat rooms and
these internet sites
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once it's in
cyberspace, it's there forever.
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There is no
bringing it back. And so
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you don't really want
to get on to these kind
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of social networking groups
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and share your
most intimate details
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of your life
because you may regret
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at the next day. Now
I know that sometimes
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just expectations, a
parental expectations
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can put enough
pressure on teen to make them
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feel like they can
never be good enough
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as well, so. Yes
you're right because
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adults definitely
have high standards
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for their children.
You know they want them
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to achieve, they
want them to be bigger
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and better than
what they possibly
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were coming up
and sometimes people
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will compare their
youth to other youths
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or you know, a
classic examples when you see
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a seven year old
violinist and you have
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an 18-year-old, who
has been in violin classes
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ever since you
know elementary school
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and the seven year
old has head and shoulders
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you know better. So
it's how you process that
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and it all goes
back to the self-esteem
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because I see patients
that have that real good
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self image with real good core.
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They just say yeah
they are just so crazy.
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How could they
say this about me?
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You know it did
hurt me for a minute,
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but you know my parents and I
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or my pastor and
I, we talked about it
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or my Sabbath
school leader, you know,
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we talked about it
and they tell me you know,
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they are just
jealous of me or whatever.
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However, they can
package us so that
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they can cope with
what they have heard
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is what we really try
to help them in therapy
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because if not then
the other side of it is
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you know they
get the helplessness,
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the
hopelessness, the tearfulness,
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the withdrawing from society,
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not wanting to
interact in any activities
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no matter how fun they might be.
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And then you can
almost misdiagnose
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some of your male
patients that have
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this feeling of
being bully because
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then instead of
them internalizing it,
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they'll start lashing out,
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they'll be your gang leaders,
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they'll be the
once that are starting
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to bully other people. You know,
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so that they'll
start feeling better
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about themselves
as they are taking
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other people down.
They'll look clinically
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as a conduct
disorder. So, generally speaking
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I've always
thought that bullies are
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very insecure people.
So you are saying that
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if someone is
bullied that's very likely to
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make them enter into
that cycle of behavior,
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where they
begin bullying because
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they are very
insecure. Definitely.
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Okay, so let's go
over some of the symptoms
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because you maybe
watching from home
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and wondering is
my teen, is my son,
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my daughter, my grandchild
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are they suffering
from signs of what could be
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considered clinical depression.
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Let's talk about
the signs of depression.
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I think you
brought along an inventory,
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inventory here,
from time to time
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we use different
inventories which
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would be just
questions that you would
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ask of people. I have
used the beck depression
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scale before but
this one here is the burns
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inventory and it
has different categories
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which is talking
about thoughts and feelings,
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activities and
personal relationships
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and physical
symptoms because sometimes
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our physical. You
know we may just think
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we just have
headache or chest pains.
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There are lot of
people running into the
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hospital now and I
hate to say even therapists
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are running into the
hospital with thinking
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that they had a
heart attack because
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they have the chest pains. And
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I don't want to
simplify or trivialize it,
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but it is anxiety or
they are actually having
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a panic attack
so some. Now these
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and burns depression checklist,
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this would be used
for teens and adults.
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Definitely yes. Okay.
So you would want to know
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how are they
feeling, are they feeling sad,
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are they unhappy,
are they having blues,
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melancholy.
Sometimes people don't
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even know that the feelings that
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they are having are
depressed type feeling.
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They just know that
they are not feeling normal
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or they are crying a
lot. And I'm not saying
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that, you know,
they saw sad movie,
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they start crying
if they lost their dog
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or whatever, if
someone say something bad
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about them they are crying.
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It's excessive,
excessive crying.
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Okay. So, we look at frequencies
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do they feel
hopeless, discouraged,
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yeah their
levels of self-esteem,
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do they have
guilt, that's one thing
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we as Christians
sometimes we'll hold on
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to a lot of guilt
and shame. And this one
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here number 7, feeling
worthless or inadequate.
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I know that there
is a lot of Christians,
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it seems who have
some how and hopefully
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it's not that it
doesn't have to be the parents
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have taught them
that we are worthless
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and inadequate as
for as Lord is concerned
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or maybe the church
hasn't thought them,
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but some how
they process this that
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I'm not worthy of
God's love, I'm inadequate,
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I can never do
enough and they have
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got in the whole
picture is skewed
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and its out of
balance if you will of course,
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yes, yeah and I
always get worried
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when I hear
preaches and I'm a PK myself.
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So, when I say
this I'm not criticizing
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the pastors or
Chaplin Charles, yeah I could
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I was sitting in one service,
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where the pastor was
trying to make a point
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and I understood
the point, but I thought
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if we have a
borderline person here
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or someone is
having some real issues
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they would live
feeling really bad saying that
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we are sinners,
we are worthless,
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we are as low as
a roach. You know,
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I'm also glad you
brought that because
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I know what
people are trying to say
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when they say we are worthless,
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but I beg the
differ. I think the word
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we should use is
we are undeserving,
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but as far as our
worth to God we were worth
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nothing less than
the price that he paid
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for us, paid his life yeah,
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with his own
precious blood, that's right.
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So, God puts great value on.
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He puts great value
on you and if anybody
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told you, you are
worthless believe me
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that is a lie of
the devil because
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you're worth a
lot to God. Now are we
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undeserving of
everything he has done
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for us? Yes. But
he thinks you're worth
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a lot. Definitely, so
thank you for bringing
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that out here, yes definitely.
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Let's see and if
you have difficulties
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making decisions
and I will just give
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you an example,
sometimes when I am
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so overwhelmed,
you know, I'm packing
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I don't know
exactly where I am going
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but I know someone told me,
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they are picking me
up, they are taking me
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to the airport, I am
going to be somewhere.
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I won't make decisions
because at that moment,
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I am so overwhelmed
with what is going to happen
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in the future. If anyone asks me
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what the date of the
day was at that time,
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I would probably not
give the accurate date.
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So that just
sometimes, you just have
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to sit back and say
I can make a decision
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today, yes. And in this point,
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I want to leave this
one out is criticizing
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yourself or blaming yourself,
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which we see and
even just that type of
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behavior can lead
you into a depression.
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Okay that's the
thoughts and feelings
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on the inventory, the activities
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and personal
relationships. Yeah,
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loss of interest
in family and friends
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or with
colleagues, loneliness because
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we're really
concerned about you are
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not wanting to
isolate yourself because
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when you are
isolating yourself you thinking
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those same thoughts
over and over and over
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again that you are worthless,
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you are
hopeless, I'm not gonna get
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any better, I
must be the way that
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I'm feeling because, you know,
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I am looking so bad
or people are shunning me
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or people like
with teens they have all
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this out on the
internet, you know,
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about me. And
then those thoughts
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all the sudden
that's all you are hearing
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is amplifying. You
know over and over again
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and that's what
could really lead to
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major depression and suicide.
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Loss of interest
in work and activities
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and we're not
just saying you have
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worked an 80
hour a day, you know
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I mean 80 hour a
week and you just
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don't want to go
to one more recital
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or one more church
event. It's not that
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it is the excess that you really
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couldn't get out of
bed even if you wanted to,
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you couldn't just sling that
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one later, just like
no motivation, that's,
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that's what we
are talking about.
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Loss of pleasure or
satisfaction in life
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and that's the one that
I really look at because
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if you have no more satisfaction
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and you can't find
one thing that can really
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make you smile or
get you out of bed
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or make you want
to share something
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with others that
let's me know that
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you are probably
starting to think of
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other things, you
know, other alternatives,
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which would be suicide. Right
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and the physical symptoms.
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Just normal ones
which we have said before
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feeling sad or tired.
Yeah, sleeping too much
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or sleeping too
little and the sleep pattern,
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you know, has a
lot to do with it
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and I just want
to make this point
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because I see it
so frequently in women
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my age that if
you are going through
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the change of
life and of course men
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do as well. Men can suffer a
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sleep disturbance
from loss of testosterone,
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women can suffer
sleep disturbance
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from loss of
estrogen. So you always
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and you pointed this
out when you were here
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before that we
always need to have a
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medical exam,
definitely, to make
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certain that what we
are feeling is not just
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something
that's happening in the
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brain chemistry, but
it could be something
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that is physiological
and affecting mind.
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Yes, okay, you
are absolutely right
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and worried about your health,
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being like the hypochondriac.
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Like if you
watch something on TV,
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I must have it,
something like that,
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alright. And now
we get to the really
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most severe case
and that suicidal urges.
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Do you have the
thoughts of doing it?
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Would you like to end your life?
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Do you have a
plan, which you know
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I had discussed
earlier like if someone
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has just kind of
awaken and said it's
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the bad day, I
don't want to get up,
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I don't want to
live versus someone
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that says oh I have
this cabinet full of
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medication or I have
the shorten in the closet,
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let me clean it or
let me you know see
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what I can do or
someone that has just said
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oh I hurt someone,
you know, cut themselves
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in this manner and you
know blood was released
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and so they kill
themselves or someone
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that has
actually made the attempt.
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I had a patient. She
was only 16-year-old.
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God bless her soul
and she is so depressed,
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she started taking
up cutting and so once
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I was able to really
start working with her
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to see why would
she mutilate her body
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and I mean she has
keloids. So she has,
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I mean huge, huge
black tracks all up and down
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her arm and the
keloids further raised
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and so she wears a long sleeves,
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but when you
look at the sleeves,
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you just asking
why are you handling
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your depression and
your grief in this manner
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and she just says
that her heart hurts
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so bad and she is
so heavy with pain
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that to cut
herself releases the pain
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and that pain helps her heart
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and helps her
process. And actually
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physiologically
they proven that when
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you do that there is
a release of endorphin.
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So it's like
people who had tattoos
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all over them, yes,
they get you can actually
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become addicted to
being tattooed because
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that pain releases endorphin.
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So you often
will see that people
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who have been
on drug addictions,
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well if they
start coming off drugs
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or maybe started
doing a lot of tattoos.
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There is something
if I can, oh I know
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the point I
wanted to make, was that,
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when I was early on in ministry.
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I mean this was
the first few months of
00:17:05.95\00:17:08.56
full-time
ministry. I remember that
00:17:08.59\00:17:10.47
I was leading a, I
was preaching in five
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different cities
each week, oh well,
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and in one place
there were only there
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about 45 women, who were coming
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and there was the
host. The host just asked
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if I would speak
with this one woman
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after we had
finished the meeting and I did
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and found out that
she had saved her pills.
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She was planning
on committing suicide
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and but after the two
hour meeting she said.
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Oh you know it's like
how the Lord has spoken
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to me and I
realize that this is wrong
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and I prayed with her and I said
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now you promise me
you are gonna go home
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and dump those down the toilet,
00:17:48.81\00:17:50.97
which I found
that's not a good idea
00:17:51.00\00:17:52.61
because it puts into the system,
00:17:52.64\00:17:55.35
the water system,
but I said get rid of
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those pills, you
tell your parents.
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She was still
living with her parents,
00:18:00.77\00:18:01.99
she is about 26.
And she said oh yes
00:18:02.02\00:18:05.70
the Lord has
touched me and she was
00:18:05.73\00:18:07.32
so convincing. She
so convinced me that
00:18:07.35\00:18:11.44
this thought that she had,
00:18:11.47\00:18:14.13
this abnormal
thought had gone that God
00:18:14.16\00:18:16.55
had delivered her of this.
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She so convinced me
that I was satisfied,
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we prayed. I
was satisfied in the
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next morning,
they called to tell me
00:18:25.58\00:18:27.10
that she called,
this hostess in the middle
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of the night, she
taken all those pills.
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So I learned a lesson, you know,
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what I would to done
if I had it all to do
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over again I would
have gone home with her.
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I would have
seized the medication,
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informed her
parents, I would have told
00:18:41.51\00:18:44.26
the police even
maybe. The point I'm trying
00:18:44.29\00:18:47.04
to bring up is,
when someone starts
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speaking of suicide,
even if they have been
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talking about it for a
longtime, in a long way
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and you think rather
never going to do it.
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We need to take
this seriously, don't we?
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I really I'm so
glad that you brought
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that up, definitely,
because lots of times
00:19:02.65\00:19:05.78
people even if
they tell you that
00:19:05.81\00:19:08.71
they are going to
be okay. They have been
00:19:08.74\00:19:10.56
thinking about this
for years or for months
00:19:10.59\00:19:12.98
and they just
waiting for the opportunity,
00:19:13.01\00:19:15.41
but praise the Lord
that you were at least
00:19:15.44\00:19:17.27
there to give her
that, that hope for that day,
00:19:17.30\00:19:20.01
because that could
have been the only hope
00:19:20.04\00:19:21.19
that she had in
a while and so that
00:19:21.22\00:19:23.49
she could have
felt normal and received
00:19:23.52\00:19:25.81
the love of God, or
at least she reached out,
00:19:25.84\00:19:28.00
after that taking
them she calls to tell us
00:19:28.03\00:19:30.43
she is making
mistake. A lot times with
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and I don't want
to just genderize it,
00:19:32.60\00:19:34.60
but lots of times
women do a lot of attention
00:19:34.63\00:19:36.81
seeking. So, we
have some that will take
00:19:36.84\00:19:39.13
like a bottle of
medication, but they
00:19:39.16\00:19:40.69
don't take like
a bottle and a half
00:19:40.72\00:19:41.91
or two bottles,
which they know that would
00:19:41.94\00:19:43.53
really end their
lives or they may slit
00:19:43.56\00:19:45.29
their wrist, be in
the tub like 30 minutes
00:19:45.32\00:19:47.49
before they know
someone is coming home
00:19:47.52\00:19:48.68
and you know it
takes a lot to drain
00:19:48.71\00:19:51.24
a whole bottle. You know, yeah,
00:19:51.27\00:19:53.05
you don't want,
you never, never.
00:19:53.08\00:19:54.94
So what I tell
everybody is to, I take every
00:19:54.97\00:20:00.96
suicidal ideation
seriously. Okay. And,
00:20:00.99\00:20:04.73
definitely if they
score a certain level,
00:20:04.76\00:20:08.64
where it's a major depression
00:20:08.67\00:20:10.95
or severe depression definitely
00:20:10.98\00:20:12.85
I will hospitalize because
00:20:12.88\00:20:15.33
and we would do
what we call it 5150,
00:20:15.36\00:20:17.65
which is a 72-hour
whole when you have them
00:20:17.68\00:20:19.84
in-house in a
hospital. And this is when
00:20:19.87\00:20:22.09
they are going
against their will not that
00:20:22.12\00:20:23.72
they are checking themselves,
00:20:23.75\00:20:24.72
feel necessarily
with people. Okay.
00:20:24.73\00:20:25.80
And so they can't
live within the 72-hours
00:20:25.83\00:20:28.85
and that's where
they are being monitored
00:20:28.88\00:20:31.46
24-hours a day and
then they have intense
00:20:31.49\00:20:35.26
psychotherapy, they
have intense interventions,
00:20:35.29\00:20:37.86
that's where
they need medication
00:20:37.89\00:20:39.39
then you can start
the medication regime.
00:20:39.42\00:20:42.68
Also the one thing
I just wanted to add
00:20:42.71\00:20:45.08
sometimes we have to be careful
00:20:45.11\00:20:46.42
even once we put
people on medication
00:20:46.45\00:20:47.90
because sometimes
it actually gives them
00:20:47.93\00:20:49.58
the energy to actually fulfill
00:20:49.61\00:20:51.66
what they have been dreaming
00:20:51.69\00:20:52.66
and wanting to
do. Now is that way
00:20:52.67\00:20:53.94
suicide rates go up sometimes
00:20:53.97\00:20:55.84
when they take, initially,
00:20:55.87\00:20:57.17
yeah initially. But
now there are inpatient
00:20:57.20\00:21:00.24
treatments, people
can be hospitalized
00:21:00.27\00:21:02.72
against their will for 72 hours,
00:21:02.75\00:21:04.53
while they are
evaluated and see if they need
00:21:04.56\00:21:06.34
further or they
can check themselves
00:21:06.37\00:21:08.63
and go through
some wonderful inpatient
00:21:08.66\00:21:11.51
places too, that's
right, help you begin
00:21:11.54\00:21:14.52
to learn how to
cope with the life to
00:21:14.55\00:21:16.20
go through
cognitive behavioral therapy
00:21:16.23\00:21:18.94
where people are
learning how to take
00:21:18.97\00:21:21.43
those negative
thoughts and turn them around,
00:21:21.46\00:21:23.40
replace them
with positive thoughts
00:21:23.43\00:21:25.00
they're getting
the type of medication
00:21:25.03\00:21:26.60
they need, but
there is also some great
00:21:26.63\00:21:28.43
outpatient
modalities. Let's talk about,
00:21:28.46\00:21:31.19
because we don't
want, I don't know
00:21:31.22\00:21:34.31
how to say this. I
feel like this is such a
00:21:34.34\00:21:36.62
broad topic we
are trying to cover
00:21:36.65\00:21:38.06
in such a short period of time.
00:21:38.09\00:21:39.34
We don't want you to
go away feeling hopeless.
00:21:39.37\00:21:42.41
We also don't
want you to think that.
00:21:42.44\00:21:44.57
It's just a matter of going
00:21:44.60\00:21:46.33
and talking to your pastor.
00:21:46.36\00:21:47.45
You mentioned earlier
that the young people,
00:21:47.48\00:21:49.54
who are being
bullied had talked it out
00:21:49.57\00:21:51.40
with the pastor, the
Sabbath school leader
00:21:51.43\00:21:53.00
and talking it out
processing is really
00:21:53.03\00:21:55.30
wonderful. But
sometimes if it is a
00:21:55.33\00:21:58.55
severe clinical
depression, talking
00:21:58.58\00:22:00.69
something out with
someone who is not a
00:22:00.72\00:22:04.88
professional may not be enough
00:22:04.91\00:22:06.68
you need to seek out
some professional help,
00:22:06.71\00:22:09.34
so talk about what
are some of the treatments
00:22:09.37\00:22:12.33
for this. Well I
usually like to say
00:22:12.36\00:22:14.51
the treatments that I
like to say is a patient
00:22:14.54\00:22:17.20
that always already
had the complete physical,
00:22:17.23\00:22:19.20
the full panel
of the electrolytes
00:22:19.23\00:22:21.72
in the blood
work. So that we know,
00:22:21.75\00:22:24.10
we are not working
with. So we know that
00:22:24.13\00:22:26.37
everything is
okay physiologically
00:22:26.40\00:22:28.62
then I like to
see a patient also
00:22:28.65\00:22:31.09
being involved with medications.
00:22:31.12\00:22:33.91
So they would have
to see a physiatrist
00:22:33.94\00:22:35.25
that could also help
them get the levels up
00:22:35.28\00:22:38.71
you know so that they can start
00:22:38.74\00:22:41.15
being able to be at a replace,
00:22:41.18\00:22:43.58
where they can
actually speak to a clinician
00:22:43.61\00:22:45.78
which would be a psychologist
00:22:45.81\00:22:47.58
or psychiatrist.
Now will you say that
00:22:47.61\00:22:50.08
we're talking
that's kind of a worst case
00:22:50.11\00:22:51.81
scenario right here,
it's where you've got
00:22:51.84\00:22:53.60
people who have
to, because some people
00:22:53.63\00:22:55.09
can have a level
of depression that
00:22:55.12\00:22:56.83
they don't have to
take an antidepressant.
00:22:56.86\00:22:58.62
Actually there
are certain behaviors
00:22:58.65\00:23:00.34
that can pull
them; I mean certain
00:23:00.37\00:23:02.66
treatments that
can pull them out.
00:23:02.69\00:23:04.56
But one should
get to a certain level
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sometimes it's
unavoidable to take
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medication. You're correct.
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To me it's just a
quicker process of
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getting healthier
just like with some
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physiological issues.
It's a quicker process
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if you go to a
location, if you are
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trying the lose weight versus
00:23:21.21\00:23:22.25
trying to you
know you are taking
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medication it is
just the quicker process,
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but there are other
processes that you can
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actually do then you
would go for treatment
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and you have already
mentioned like behavior
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modification,
cognitive or regressive
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type therapy,
where you can actually
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go to the core
what actually caused.
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What was the actual antecedent,
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actually cause the
depression it could be
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something way
back in your childhood.
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Another point that we
really didn't talk about
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which we probably
should is the medications
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that you are
taking. Some of your
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medications, I mean we all hear
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the commercials.
You know, take this
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medication and then
they run past 20 side effects
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you know. Lot of
them are depression,
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depression, yeah
or make us self esteem
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or libido or may; we
have a lot of patients
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that will start
overeating with some
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of the
medications that there are,
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even the good
medication that's taking
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care of your
depression can cause
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other problems. You
know, I want to be sure
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and add something
here because I tried to do
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as many things
naturally as possible.
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Yes. And I take as
many natural supplements
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or things that I
can to try treat myself,
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but one thing that
I have learned is that
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just because
something is 'natural'
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it does not mean
that it is not potent
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and so there can
be interactions among
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natural medications. Yes, yes.
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And particularly
among natural medications
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and even with the pharmaceutical
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medications that
we take. So if you are
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taking say. I'm
trying to think of some that
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people use for St. John's Wort
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and Xanax as
lethal. St John' Wort
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with Xanax is
lethal. It's deadly. Yes,
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so it can
really. I'm really glad
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that you brought that
up. Okay and there are
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other things that
I've heard people will say
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that they are
taking that. Individually
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they are perfect,
but when you put them
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together. Right. So that's why
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it's important
to let the physician
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or your
clinician know everything
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that you are
taking. And it's important
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even to, you know,
we were self-medicating
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when we are
using naturals because
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I remember when I
was not sleeping well
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someone told me
take Melatonin. Yes.
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And I took Melatonin
and I mean I was like
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the mixed up. I
had been overly drugged
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with just so mind
obviously was not,
00:25:40.18\00:25:42.64
my melatonin
level wasn't my problem,
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no, and by taking that melatonin
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I didn't wake up
the whole next day.
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I mean I was walking around.
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It was almost
like sleep walking.
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So we want to be
very careful about that,
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but know let's
talk about. I know as a
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Christian with the
scripture I opened up
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with Psalm 3:3 about
God being the lifter of
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our head. There is
something that is so
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comforting to learn
to turn your problems
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over to the Lord
isn't that? Yes there is.
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And that's
certainly a behavioral therapy
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that you can't
if we learn to quit
00:26:21.91\00:26:23.99
trying to be God in our own life
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and to seek the Lord
in prayer to get into
00:26:25.85\00:26:29.69
his promises to speak
his word over our life.
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This is something
that, that can have
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you know when he
said in Isaiah 61: Arise,
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shine; For your light has come!
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I have found that
often people who will speak
00:26:40.28\00:26:44.90
God's word over
their life and speak
00:26:44.93\00:26:46.74
their promises that
God can do a renewing
00:26:46.77\00:26:50.28
of the mind. He really can.
00:26:50.31\00:26:52.23
He is marvelous in doing that
00:26:52.26\00:26:53.83
and that's why it's
so important to still
00:26:53.86\00:26:55.75
stay focus with
your church and with your
00:26:55.78\00:26:57.90
community. Amen. So our
time is already slipping
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into eternity. I
can't believe how fast
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this has gone.
If you could Cynthia
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just look into
the camera and if you
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want to give a closing thought,
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a word of encouragement
to someone out there
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who is hurting today.
I just want you to know
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that God is able
cast all your cares
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and burdens on him.
He will not forsake you.
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He will be there for
you. He will lead you
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down the right
journey, down the right path.
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He will provide the
right people to assist
00:27:35.58\00:27:39.23
you in all of your
day-to-day activities.
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Amen. Amen. Thank you so much
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Dr. Cynthia
Powell-Hicks for joining us.
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Thank you. And for those of you
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who around the
world, if you have hotlines
00:27:50.63\00:27:54.15
available to you call hotline.
00:27:54.18\00:27:56.21
Reach out for help
or if you have someone
00:27:56.24\00:28:00.21
in your family, who is suffering
00:28:00.24\00:28:01.74
from depression.
Get them some help
00:28:01.77\00:28:04.06
don't just
ignore and don't think
00:28:04.09\00:28:06.66
that they can pull
them out themselves up
00:28:06.69\00:28:09.37
by their own bootstraps.
Thanks for joining us.
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