If we use the
words counterfeit and
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Christianity in
the same sentence.
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It sounds like an oxymoron,
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like pretty ugly.
They're absolutely
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diametrically
opposed and yet the New
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Age Movement is in
full trading the church
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and it is producing
counterfeit Christianity,
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join us today on
Issues and Answers.
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You know Jesus
said in Matthew 24 and
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I'm gonna begin with verse 4.
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He said, Take heed
that no one deceives you.
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For many shall come in my name,
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claiming these
people claiming themselves
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I am the Christ and
he says and they will
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deceive many.
When we look at what's
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happening with the
New Age Movement today,
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teaching people that
they individually are
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Gods and we see
people who rise up as the
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gurus and the
heads of these different
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religions that all
are these amalgamation
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of religions that
make up the New Age
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Movement. We see
that there is a real
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problem in the
world, but this problem is
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insidiously infiltrating
the church and we want
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to introduce you to
our special guest is gonna
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talk about that
today. She is returning
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again Dr. Yvonne
Lewis. Dr. Lewis, how are
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you. Yes, I'm
doing great. Praise God.
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I thought of that
word insidious. I know.
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We're both sitting here smiling.
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I love it, I
love it. You asked the
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Holy Spirit and he answered.
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And to clear our
viewers I was having a little
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brain fog, but before we begin,
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I knew there was a
word I wanted to use.
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That's it. It is an,
in an insidious manner.
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Yeah. That this is
infiltrating the church,
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but before,
before we begin on this,
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because here we see
before us a beautiful lady
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who is known on
3ABN to have a beautiful
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singing voice. She was
actually a professional
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singer for many
years. A third generation
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Adventist, a
natural path and someone who
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has the utmost
integrity and character.
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Christian, good Christian girl.
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How did someone like
you become involved in
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a minor way in
that insidious way
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with the New Age Movement?
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Insidious is the operative word,
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because it was
a gradual process.
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I started with
nutrition and then Ideology
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and Massage
Therapy and Reflexology and
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Acupuncture and I
just began to study these
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different modalities
feeling that I needed to
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have several
modalities under my belt since I
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was practicing a natural path.
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I wanted to know
about some different
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Therapeutic
modalities that I could use on
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my patients and so
I began to study the
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different ones
and I began to study
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Acupuncture and
Chinese medicine and
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began subsequently
became board certified
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in traditional Chinese medicine.
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What woke you up,
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how did God get your attention.
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You know some interesting things
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happened to me
when I come to 3ABN or
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when I'm ministering for 3ABN.
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The first thing
that was of interest was
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Yolanda
Innocent- Palmer and I were
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ministering
together. We were ministering
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in New York for 3ABN
and we were sharing a
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hotel room. So I was
in school at the time for
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Acupuncture. And so
I always traveled with
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my needles
everywhere I have my needles
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with me. Because
people get headaches and
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back pain and that kind
of thing and I can help,
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so I had given someone
a treatment in the room.
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Because we had
friends that come and visit
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while we were in
town. And Yolanda came back
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to the room and she
saw that I had somebody,
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I have given
someone the treatment and I
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had needles and she
said no, no don't do that.
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And she said oh I'm
gonna sleep in the room.
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Exactly you know
your bringing the demonic
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spirits. I looked
at her, it was friendly
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because this was my life's work.
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This is what I was
studying, this is you know
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something,
everything is okay with it.
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So long story
short, she and I just,
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we just went back
and forth with this and
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she said it was Satan
and I thought where is
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this coming from?
But it did made me think
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Shelley. It really
made me think like am I
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being used by
the enemy, is this,
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am I being an
instrument of the enemy,
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so it kind of
began my questioning some
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things, but still
even with that I still,
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I finished school, I
got board certified and
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I began to practice
it, because I was able
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to rationalize and
say you know this is a
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medical modality
and Yolanda just didn't
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know what she was talking about.
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Love you Yolanda
everything is fine now so.
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She even sent you
a book, didn't she?
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She did, she sent
me a book and the name
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of this book was
Spiritualistic Deceptions
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in Health and Healing
written by an Adventist
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doctor. And I
looked at the book and I
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thought he doesn't
really know what he's
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talking about I mean
no offense to him either,
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but I just felt
like this was a Western
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practitioner who
might not really been,
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appreciated.
That's a very good word,
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thank you, appreciated Eastern,
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Eastern mentally,
the Eastern approach to
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medicine, the
Eastern medical construct.
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So I just put the
book aside and didn't think
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about it. Well fast
forward to April of '09 I
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came to 3ABN
and was interviewed.
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This kind of I got
my life in general and a
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woman saw me and
she sent me a package.
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She must have gone
to my website and she
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saw that I had
information on Acupuncture.
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But you didn't talk about
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Acupuncture when you're on 3ABN.
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No, no I didn't
mentioned it because it
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was controversial
and I thought you know
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people might not
understand then so I just
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let it alone. She
looked at my website,
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she sent me a
packet and in that packet
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there was a picture
of a book and she said
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please carefully consider this.
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It was the same book
that Yolanda had sent
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me. So I said Lord
are you trying to tell me
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something. So I
took the book, out from
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you know obscurity
somewhere and began
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to read the book
with new eyes this time.
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And Shelley as I
read it, I was convicted.
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I knew from when I
was reading that there
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was something to
this. There was something
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to the connection
between astrology and
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Eastern and
Babylonian mystery religions
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and Acupuncture and
as I read I thought oh
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my, I began to feel
so broken and even now
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I mean I just
it's so deep for me,
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because I spent so
many years studying
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it and immersing
myself in it, and then to
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find out that I
had been deceived.
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And that I was
leading others into a kind of
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deception too by
practicing Acupuncture
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it was so heavy on
my heart. I also read an
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internet article. It
was entitled astrology
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with needles and I
recommend that to your
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viewers to just
go online and read,
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and read that article
because it really shows
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the connection
between Astrology and
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Acupuncture. And I
went to prayer meeting
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that we Shelley and I just had,
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I was so broken,
because I felt like I'm down
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and so from then
on that was September
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of '09 and I have not
practiced Acupuncture.
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Well you know, you
were deceived and it's
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because you didn't
know. You want to see
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the full picture
and I think that this is
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something the
tenets of the New Age
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Movement have
really infiltrated holistic
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approach to
medicine, yes, in many ways,
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yes, you can think
of the, is it Reiki?
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Reiki. Reiki
massage and people don't
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understand what the
route of this is and you
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can go. I've had
someone who wanted to
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give me that and try
that on my arm and it
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hurts me. But I didn't
even realized till then
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I looked it up
later. Yes. You know where
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these, had these
spiritual routes if you were
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in the dark side
of the world. Exactly.
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But we kind of
teased our precious viewers
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out there with the
idea that we were going
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to talk about the
New Age Movement and
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how it is coming
into the church as
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Counterfeit Christianity.
So let's talk about
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what you have
seen and what you're
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aware of and I don't
want to, we need to talk
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about things like
kids who are going to
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martial arts,
martial art practices,
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but more than that
we need to talk about
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things that are
actually being brought
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into the
sanctuary types of prayers,
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various things and
how people are being
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significantly impacted
in the Christian church?
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Yes, through
practices like contemplated
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prayer, meditation,
but again the meditation
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idea is emptying of
the mind and the Bible
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and for everything that God has,
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Satan has a counterfeit, amen,
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so we can
consider you know the whole
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Eastern
meditation and this is not
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demonizing
people from the East or
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anything like that.
It's really looking at a
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philosophy that
is, it contradicts the
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Christian
philosophy and that is we empty
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the mind with
meditation, with these prayers
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and mantras that are
being said with prayers
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now. Mantras have to
do with freeing of the
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mind that's
really what it means,
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so liberating
the mind of thought.
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Hypnotism.
Hypnotism, Charmers. Yes,
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Charmers,
Deuteronomy 18, so we have to
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again all these
things that are going on in
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the churches we
have to, don't just take
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the Pastor's word for
it. Be like the Berrians,
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go home, study it for
yourself, make sure that
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everything that you
are learning is in harmony
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with the word of
God, that is our standard
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and that is what
we measure everything
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against and if it's
not you have to discard
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it. You know it's
interesting that you
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said don't the
Pastor's word for it.
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I've heard of
churches where the Pastor is
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actually supporting
the idea of bringing in the
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ancient past, the
Theophostics where we
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have this spiritual,
this is guided imagery.
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Yes. To the max,
and at first what's so
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insidious about
this now that I have
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remembered that
word am I using it a lot.
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That's right,
that's right. But we are
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insidious about this
is that when you first
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start these
practices that they seem to
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have a great
benefit and I've talked with
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people who have went through the
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Theophostics and I
said oh I was really,
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like I was emotionally
being healed and but then
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all of a sudden as
you get a little deeper
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into it there is a
very sinister and dark side
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that pops up and
people left the church
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over it. You know
they have Christianity
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over it and it's
very dangerous, so can
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you speak to
some of those things?
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Satan is so sure,
he doesn't come at you
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right away with
things that are off putting,
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but what he does is
he just introduces a
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little bit at a time
and through experience the
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key word here I
think is experience,
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because our experiences
can really be tricky.
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They can, they can
come other sources that
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are not of God and
mimic God, Satan will
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present himself as an
angel of light the Bible
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says, but the Bible
also tell us that we're
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wrestling
against flesh and blood,
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but against
principalities and powers.
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It's evil and so he
comes, he transforms
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himself as an angel
of light and we think
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that these things
are okay, because we have
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experiences that
transform consciousness
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and that's one of
the goals of the New Age
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Movement. There has
to be a transformation
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of consciousness.
You know this whole idea
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of the, of the
Age of Aquarius. Yes.
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Back in, I don't
even remember what year it
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was, the decade,
the 70s or whatever.
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We used to all sing
this is the dawning of the
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Age of Aquarius,
so I, yeah, without
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thinking what we were saying.
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This whole idea of a
planetary transformation
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where men will find
out that they are God,
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that's what. The
self actualization.
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Self actualization, self
purification it's finding
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out, it's the whole
metaphysical idea is
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getting in touch
with your higher self,
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your inner
wisdom, your inner guide.
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It's transplanting
the Holy Spirit and taking
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away God's role as
created and making the
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creature the
creator and taking away the
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Holy Spirit's role
as out guide and putting
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ourselves in that
position. It's blasphemy.
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And you know even
you think back to,
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just to step back for
a moment to the ancient
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past where you
have a prayer guide,
00:14:01.88\00:14:05.90
a prayer partner
who is your prayer guide
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with all of the
visualization taking
00:14:07.86\00:14:10.54
you back to the
room etc. This is
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something that we
don't need a prayer guide.
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That's right. Our prayer guide,
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the Bible says it is
the Holy Spirit. Amen.
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We know not how
we should prayer,
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but the Holy
Spirit is teaching us,
00:14:24.87\00:14:27.65
interceding for us
and then there is but one
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mediator between us
and God and that is the
00:14:30.37\00:14:33.60
man Christ Jesus.
Yes. Who is also at the
00:14:33.61\00:14:36.55
right hand of the
throne of father interceding
00:14:36.56\00:14:38.76
on our behalf, so
these things though as
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they begin to you
know they're glassed over.
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I always say this. Sin
is never presented to us
00:14:48.04\00:14:52.63
in an ugly paper
bag. That's right.
00:14:52.64\00:14:54.69
You know what the devil does.
00:14:54.70\00:14:55.67
He puts it in a shiny
full package, that's right,
00:14:56.64\00:14:59.12
he puts a big Satan
bow on it and he hands
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it to us and
sometimes we're in the process
00:15:01.96\00:15:05.38
of unwrapping all of
this, just thinking we got
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something excited
and it's not until we get
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into the heart
of the package we've
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released it's nothing,
but gift wrapped garbage.
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That's right. And
that's what happening with
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these things that are
moving into the church.
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That is such a good
point, when you said,
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when you quoted
that scripture on,
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there is one
mediator the man Jesus Christ
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and the New Age Movement.
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The counterfeit for
that is Christ consciousness,
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taking the man
Jesus Christ out of it and
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putting inserting a
Christ consciousness,
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a state of being
that every person can have
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if they tap into
that higher self,
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that thought is
that Christ himself went
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away and became self actualized,
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this is what they
teach that he became self
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actualized during
those 17 years that there
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is no record of what
went on in his ministry.
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But what, that's
what they teach that
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every person can be, can have
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the Christ consciousness.
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You know I'm sitting
and thinking how easily
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deceived someone
could be because Paul says
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you have the mind
of Christ and this is
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something we should
be seeking, but if we
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want to find the mind of Christ.
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We find it right
here in this word.
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This is the mind of
Christ. That's right.
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This is where he
has written his will,
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that's right, and
He says you have it and
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the more the word
that you have in your mind,
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the more you operate
by the mind of Christ.
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But the New Age
Movement has a way
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of trying to teach
you to seek a power within
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you instead of
seeking the power of God,
00:16:44.48\00:16:47.61
the Holy Spirit to
come fill you and then he
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works in you to will and to act
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according to His good purpose.
00:16:54.19\00:16:55.66
That is exactly right,
okay, that is the whole,
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it's the spin, they
put a different spin on the
00:17:00.20\00:17:04.96
whole idea of you
know us being partakers
00:17:04.97\00:17:07.22
of the divine nature
or having the mind of
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Christ, because it's
just a different spin on
00:17:10.96\00:17:13.10
it, just the Bible
says a little bit of leaven
00:17:13.11\00:17:15.68
can poison the
whole loaf and that's
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what, that's what they do.
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You know and Peter
also says that you trust
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the scriptures to
your own destruction,
00:17:22.46\00:17:24.87
because I have seen
that some will take a
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scripture to use as
a foundation and a kind
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of present it like
this, but then would it be
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fair to say because
I'm trying to think how
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can we protect
ourselves and how can we
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share with the
viewers to protect ourselves.
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Anytime the emphasis
is taken off of drawing
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you near to the
Lord and becoming fully
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depended upon our creator God.
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Anytime the emphasis,
that emphasis is taken
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away and it comes
down to where we're
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emphasizing on what we can do.
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Is that a good, I
mean a good check.
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That's a great
check, that's a great check
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because again the
emphasis is placed on
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looking within, God within.
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Swami Muktananda
it's a tongue twister.
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Yeah it is. Said,
worship yourself, bow to
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yourself, kneel to
yourself, worship the God
00:18:21.76\00:18:24.57
that is in you,
because you are God.
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And when I read
that I got a chill. Yes.
00:18:26.82\00:18:29.13
Because it's about,
it makes the creature the
00:18:29.14\00:18:34.12
creator and so that
parameter that, that,
00:18:34.13\00:18:38.23
that emphasis you
have just made on what
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anytime we are told
to look within as opposed
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to looking at the creator
a red flag should come up.
00:18:48.43\00:18:52.05
I remember when I
was very young and had
00:18:52.66\00:18:55.48
kind of gotten away
from the church of my
00:18:56.11\00:18:57.91
rearing and I
wasn't familiar with the
00:18:57.92\00:18:59.88
Old Testament at
all at that time.
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I do recall so
clearly when Shirley MacLaine
00:19:01.96\00:19:06.80
had a movie out
and I was so fascinated
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by this movie.
I was watching it.
00:19:09.77\00:19:11.44
I think it was a mini
series or something if
00:19:11.94\00:19:14.78
I recall, because I
remember I wanna see
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a conclusion of this
and it was the spirit of
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God is within you and
I'm thinking yeah I know
00:19:19.29\00:19:21.71
that scripture
that's what Jesus said the
00:19:21.72\00:19:23.57
spirit of the
kingdom of God. The kingdom
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of God is within
you. And I thought yeah,
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I remember that and I
went to bed that night,
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actually I think I
went and took a shower that
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night, and I'm
thinking about this and
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you know that's
when the Lord reached me.
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I'm thinking about
this movie and have the
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kingdom of God is
within you and the Lord,
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I wasn't even one who knew the
00:19:46.20\00:19:47.58
Old Testament very
well, but the Lord just
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reached me and
opened up my mind to
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the treacherous path
that just from watching
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a movie that was
fascinating to me at the
00:19:56.41\00:19:59.14
time. The treacherous
path that I was about
00:19:59.15\00:20:03.18
to enter and I
mean, I broke down weeping
00:20:03.19\00:20:06.42
and I went to the
Bible and spend an hour in
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my Bible studying
and I thought Lord,
00:20:09.17\00:20:11.52
thank you. So to
avoid this Counterfeit
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Christianity. You
were here before and we
00:20:16.14\00:20:18.99
talked about how
important it is to pray
00:20:19.00\00:20:21.97
to know the word.
What are some other things
00:20:21.98\00:20:24.56
that we can do to not get caught
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up in the tenets of New Age?
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The Bible says to be
sober, to be vigilant,
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because the devil is
like a roaring lion seeking
00:20:35.39\00:20:38.58
whom he might
devour. And so being sober
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is to be mindful, to be aware,
00:20:43.03\00:20:45.12
to be alert, so I'm
not saying to be one of
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those Christians
that is full of fear and
00:20:49.24\00:20:53.02
finding the
devil and everything,
00:20:53.19\00:20:55.63
but certainly be
aware of what's going on and
00:20:55.93\00:20:59.52
use that parameter
that you just gave which
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was just right on
point. If there is emphasis
00:21:02.29\00:21:05.90
on self turn away
from it, because God is,
00:21:05.91\00:21:10.64
He teaches us God
reliance, not self
00:21:11.24\00:21:13.99
reliance. Or even
we're gonna add to this
00:21:14.00\00:21:16.89
even if it is to rely
on someone else to take
00:21:17.12\00:21:20.14
you to God like you
the idea of ancient past
00:21:20.15\00:21:22.98
and Theophostics.
That's right. If its reliance
00:21:22.99\00:21:25.29
on anybody
besides God the Father,
00:21:25.30\00:21:27.63
God the Son or
God the Holy Spirit,
00:21:27.64\00:21:29.67
we need to be aware
of it. That's right,
00:21:29.98\00:21:34.23
that's right and
also know that you know
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when, when the
disciples ask Jesus in
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Matthew 24 verses
3 to 5 tell us when,
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what are the signs of
your coming and of the,
00:21:44.55\00:21:46.82
close of the
age. And Jesus said,
00:21:46.83\00:21:50.03
the first thing He
said was be not deceived,
00:21:50.04\00:21:52.64
yeah, for many
will come in my name and
00:21:52.65\00:21:55.51
when you look at
the Greek words for many
00:21:55.52\00:21:58.22
will come in my
name, its masses, its like
00:21:58.23\00:22:01.64
millions of people
they will come in his name
00:22:01.89\00:22:05.38
and say things that
will try to represent him
00:22:05.39\00:22:09.20
as being having
those authority. Yeah.
00:22:09.21\00:22:12.56
And we have to be
careful, because millions
00:22:12.81\00:22:17.02
and millions and
millions of people will be
00:22:17.03\00:22:19.42
deceived by this. It
is the way that Satan can
00:22:19.43\00:22:23.28
use to get into the
minds of each individual and
00:22:23.29\00:22:28.32
actually possess the
minds of every saint.
00:22:28.66\00:22:32.84
We have to be
careful. It's not just for the
00:22:32.85\00:22:36.17
people out there. It's for us as
00:22:36.18\00:22:38.87
well we are not to be deceived.
00:22:38.88\00:22:41.32
And you know you
have mentioned earlier
00:22:41.65\00:22:43.66
that some people
will go by experience and
00:22:43.67\00:22:45.89
certainly in the
New Age Movement which
00:22:45.90\00:22:48.20
is an umbrella
that covers so much.
00:22:48.21\00:22:51.37
It's like there is
such an amalgamation of
00:22:51.83\00:22:55.04
religions and
various things from Hindu,
00:22:55.05\00:22:58.86
Buddhism, the
Wicca, Witchcraft, you know
00:22:58.87\00:23:02.89
Monotheism,
Polytheism, Pantheism. Right.
00:23:03.22\00:23:06.15
It's all blended
in here. That's right.
00:23:06.80\00:23:08.97
But the point is
that all go for the
00:23:08.98\00:23:12.49
"Experience." That's
right. This experience of
00:23:13.93\00:23:18.02
acceleration and transformation,
00:23:18.03\00:23:20.29
so we have to be
careful, if I understood
00:23:20.84\00:23:23.91
what you were
saying earlier Yvonne.
00:23:23.92\00:23:25.67
We have to be careful
not to trust our experiences?
00:23:26.18\00:23:30.51
Absolutely, okay,
absolutely because it's
00:23:30.52\00:23:33.57
through those
experiences that Satan
00:23:33.58\00:23:36.99
gets a hold of
you because you can't
00:23:37.00\00:23:39.55
question someone's
experience really if you
00:23:39.72\00:23:42.57
have an experience
and when I say that
00:23:42.58\00:23:45.14
I mean if I
experience a being of light that
00:23:45.15\00:23:50.08
comes to me then,
that's your reality.
00:23:50.09\00:23:53.22
That's my reality
and you can't, you can,
00:23:53.38\00:23:56.84
you can question
that from a philosophical
00:23:57.23\00:23:59.37
place, but my reality
is that I just saw this
00:23:59.38\00:24:02.80
being, so how am I
going to know that, that
00:24:02.81\00:24:06.31
being is from the
enemy. The word of God
00:24:06.32\00:24:09.37
is my only standard
against which I can test
00:24:09.63\00:24:14.66
that experience.
You cannot lean on
00:24:15.42\00:24:17.48
experience, because
experience will can take
00:24:17.49\00:24:20.11
you to another
dimension and that is the
00:24:20.12\00:24:22.68
whole idea. That is
what Satan is trying to do,
00:24:22.69\00:24:25.79
use experiences to have people
00:24:26.01\00:24:29.63
validate their new philosophy.
00:24:29.64\00:24:32.18
And that's not to
say there are times,
00:24:32.45\00:24:35.07
I mean as a
Christian that I have had
00:24:35.43\00:24:37.52
beautiful
experiences with the Lord that,
00:24:37.53\00:24:39.89
with the Lord, with
the Lord that's, that's
00:24:40.26\00:24:43.18
the point is that
I was seeking him,
00:24:43.19\00:24:46.02
meditating upon his
word praying honestly,
00:24:46.18\00:24:48.86
pressing into his
presence and God has
00:24:48.87\00:24:52.64
blessed with
something and it's not to say
00:24:53.02\00:24:55.17
that you should not
trust all the experiences,
00:24:55.18\00:24:58.30
but we should test the spirits.
00:24:58.31\00:24:59.98
Test the spirits.
Examine ourselves,
00:25:00.30\00:25:01.69
examine what's
going on according to the
00:25:01.83\00:25:04.16
word of God.
Absolutely, right. What would
00:25:04.17\00:25:06.31
you say to the
young people who maybe
00:25:06.32\00:25:09.34
watching. Who I think
that our youth live in
00:25:09.35\00:25:12.99
a day where it's
much more difficult.
00:25:13.00\00:25:15.65
We thought we had
problems growing up,
00:25:15.66\00:25:17.35
but it's much more
difficult. There's more
00:25:17.36\00:25:19.24
of an identity
crisis, the culture has become
00:25:19.25\00:25:22.73
a very lose moral
culture if you want to say
00:25:23.93\00:25:29.73
the moralities are
loose. Yes. What we just
00:25:29.74\00:25:31.83
say to young people
who are seeking power,
00:25:31.84\00:25:34.64
seeking something
that, that sometimes
00:25:35.32\00:25:37.77
attracts them to
thinks like Wicca
00:25:37.89\00:25:40.45
and moves them
away from the Bible.
00:25:41.34\00:25:43.51
I would say that it's
so important to be careful,
00:25:44.48\00:25:47.83
to be careful
because you can think that
00:25:48.22\00:25:51.15
you're doing
something that is fun like
00:25:51.16\00:25:54.24
playing with ouija
board. Some of these
00:25:54.25\00:25:56.03
kids are playing with
ouija boards and they're
00:25:56.04\00:25:58.53
experimenting with
the dark side not knowing
00:25:58.54\00:26:01.22
that they are
opening themselves up to, to,
00:26:01.23\00:26:06.49
to the dark side.
Demonic influence and
00:26:07.26\00:26:09.89
ultimately demonic
possession, so it is so
00:26:09.90\00:26:12.86
important to stay
away from that even when
00:26:12.87\00:26:15.81
you're trying to
find out what this is.
00:26:15.82\00:26:19.08
There are some
things that you just don't
00:26:19.09\00:26:20.84
need to try. If I
say that there is rat
00:26:20.85\00:26:24.46
poisoning in
that glass of water.
00:26:24.47\00:26:27.36
I'm not drinking
it. You're not want to
00:26:27.62\00:26:29.12
drinking it and
testing and find out,
00:26:29.13\00:26:31.04
so it is with the
dark side. Don't play with
00:26:31.12\00:26:33.99
the dark side. It's
way beyond what you could
00:26:34.00\00:26:37.33
imagine. It's so,
it's so insidious,
00:26:37.34\00:26:40.55
but it's so, it's
scary for our young people
00:26:40.56\00:26:45.07
it's scary and they
would be entering into
00:26:45.08\00:26:47.87
an area that they
just couldn't control.
00:26:48.23\00:26:50.40
It becomes out of
their control. Absolutely.
00:26:50.41\00:26:53.35
You know that's so
interesting that when
00:26:53.36\00:26:55.16
we think of hypnotism
and the various things,
00:26:55.17\00:26:57.67
anytime someone
takes control over you.
00:26:58.41\00:27:01.49
You know that I mean
that's what the devil
00:27:01.95\00:27:05.54
does and all that he
does is kind of takes
00:27:05.55\00:27:08.12
control, that's
right, we have to yield
00:27:08.13\00:27:10.43
ourselves to the
Lord, we have to submit
00:27:10.44\00:27:12.86
ourselves to God,
absolutely, surrender if
00:27:12.87\00:27:14.99
you will. He never
comes in and takes over,
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he is not a God who
controls, he is the God
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who gave us the power of choice.
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Yes, yes and that's,
isn't it interesting that
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the very thing,
and this is so good,
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the very thing that Satan does.
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Satan takes control,
he first tells you that
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you're God and
you're in control of your
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own faith, but the
reality is he is taking control.
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Yeah, amen. I cannot
believe I just looked up
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at the clock.
We've got to say goodbye
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Dr. Yvonne Lewis,
oh no it's so quick,
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thank you so much
for being here today.
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And for all of
you at home who are
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watching or
listening on the radio,
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be vigilant because
your enemy is prowling
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around and he wants
to get you and he will
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come to you in sheep's clothing.
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Now may the God of grace bless
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you richly in all
that you do and say.
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