If you were to take
atheism, monotheism,
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polytheism, pantheism,
Universalism, spiritualism
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and eastern religions
and a few more ingredients
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and if you were to
blend them all together
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in the blender
what would you get?
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You would get
the New Age Movement.
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Please join us today
on Issues and Answers
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as we face the
New Age Deception.
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Hi, I am Shelley
Quinn and we're so glad
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that you're
joining us today no matter
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where you're tuning
in from around the world.
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We're going to be
looking at a very popular
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but difficult
subject today and I wanted
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to begin with a
scripture that would kind of set
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as up for this in
the appropriate way.
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Today, we're
gonna be looking at the
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New Age
Deception but in the Bible,
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in Isaiah 43 in
verse 10, this is what
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the Lord says, You are
my witnesses, says the Lord,
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and my servant
whom I have chosen,
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that you may know and
believe me and understand
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that I am he. Before Me
there was no God formed,
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Nor shall there be
after Me. God is the only God
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and yet today in our
society, in societies
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in the cultures
around the world,
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there are people who are
trying to make men as Gods
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and today we have with
us a very special guest
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it's my privilege
to introduce her to you
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and she is not a
stranger to 3ABN,
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Dr. Yvonne Lewis,
Yvonne we are so glad
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that you've come from
Dallas to join us today.
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Thank you Shelley,
it's my pleasure to be here.
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Yvonne, you have such
a fascinating life story
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and although we
don't have time to go
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into it in a deep
way. I would like for you
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to share with our
viewers just a little bit
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about who Yvonne
Lewis is, what your doctor,
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your degree is in
and how did you become
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interested in this
topic of the New Age?
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Well, okay I am
board certified in
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Traditional
Chinese medicine I am
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an Naturopathic
doctor and I also have a
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music ministry and I was
a singer for about 20 years
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in the jingle
business and while I was
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in the music business,
I started pursuing health
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and it was just it
became a passion of mine
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I started, I had been
singing at a camp meeting
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and someone came
and gave me a book
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and a tape and I
thought okay that's really nice
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and I put it
somewhere you know how people
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give you things
and I took it out
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and I listened to the
tape and I read the booklet
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and it was about
health and sugar.
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And how sugar
can destroy the body
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and that kind of thing I thought
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this is really
interesting and that began
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my quest for health information
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and alternative health and so,
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I started with
iridology and started studying
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iridology and I always
had had this panic and,
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can you explain what iridoloy
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be used for
those, that's a good plan
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iridology is
actually the study of the iris
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or the eye and the
theory behind it is that
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the eye is a micro
system much like they feed
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the ears, it's a small
map of the entire body,
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okay, so you can
kind of get a picture
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what's going on
in the whole body
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by looking into
the iris of the eye.
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Now, we're not still
saying that, we're saying
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that's what the belief was and,
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that's what the
belief was and that's what I,
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I started studying
that and then I started,
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I went into massage
therapy and so I began
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this path of learning
about alternative medicine
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and that kind of
thing. And I do want you
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emphasize you were a
Christian at this point?
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Yes. Were you an
Adventist Christian? Yes.
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You were already
an Adventist Christian
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and as you were
studying these things
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there were any red flags
that came up immediately?
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No, not really,
no, no with iridology,
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no. Massage therapy,
a couple of red flags
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but I just, I had this
way of kind of sweeping
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something's under
the ragging thinking,
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well, I'll hold on
to what is consistent
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with my world view
and then kind of discarded
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all the rest and then
while I was doing massage
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therapy, I had
met someone that said
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you need to check out my school,
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it was the Dallas
College of Oriental Medicine.
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So, I thought let me,
let me see what that's about.
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So, I went over there
and I prayed about it first
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then I asked God if it
was his will for me to do it,
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then to make a
way for me to do it.
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And somehow, in
retrospect I kind of understand
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now why I was allowed
to do it because now I can
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really look at it
with a different eye
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but from the inside
but I went to the school
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and the gentleman that
was doing the open house
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for the school was
talking about acupuncture
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and I asked him, I
remember asking him
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is it associated with
any particular religion
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and he said well
there are some Taoist
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kinds of associations
but you don't have to be
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a Taoist and
it's not, you're not
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learning religious
principles. So, I thought,
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okay, well it may be its okay.
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So, I started taking
the classes and learning
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about acupuncture
and all the different
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eastern medical
modalities that are under
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that umbrella of
traditional Chinese
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medicine and I
studied it and praise the Lord
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I did well in studying
it, but I learned some things
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that again that
were inconsistent
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with my world view but
yet I just kind of swept them
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under the rug
thinking that well,
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I don't have to
embrace this in order
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to practice it. Okay
Yvonne, let me stop you
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just a second, you
have said a couple of times
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inconsistent
with your world view.
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Through what lens
do you see the world?
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Through a Biblical,
from a Biblical prospective,
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realizing that there are certain
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especially in the
end times spiritualism
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is going to be a
part of what's going on
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and they were some
spiritualistic teachings
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that were given but it was just,
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it was just a little
bit in the beginning.
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And I thought well I
don't have to embrace
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that in order to
practice acupuncture.
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Okay, so you
just tried to divorce
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the spiritualistic
principles from the
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practice itself
Yvonne, yes, okay.
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I don't have to
pay attention to this
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but I can go forward with
these different modalities
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and exactly, perhaps
help people, exactly, okay.
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And that was my, that
was my burden to help people,
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I know you well
enough to know that here,
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yes, thank you. And
I would, I would pray
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before all of my, I
know that people in school
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thought I was just
over the top because
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I would pray before my
sessions and everything,
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thinking that I was bringing God
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into whole thing
because I knew that
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I am not the healer that
God is a divine physician.
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Yes, so I would see
tremendous things happen
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as a result of my
therapy, my treatments.
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So, that's how I
kind of got into the whole
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acupuncture and
traditional Chinese
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medical realm.
Just by this path,
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this health path that
started with just learning
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about nutrition and
then learning about Iridology
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and then going into
naturopathic medicine
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and then oriental medicine.
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In fact at one point you
were doing extremely well
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as a practitioner of
acupuncture this was about
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95 percent of your income, yes,
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and I gonna save this
story for a little later
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in the program that you
have actually got to open
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your eyes, yes, and
you completely divorced
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yourself from the practice, yes,
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and then now you
have I mean you've lost
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95 percent of your
income because of this,
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but which says that
speaks something to,
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that speaks to me
about your loyalty and your,
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to God and your
integrity as a Christian
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when you did
finally have that awakening
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that you would
actually depart from that.
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Now of course the
Lord, but let's get into
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our topic on hand
we'll blend your story
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then as we go
along, sure. What is the
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New Age Movement?
How would you define
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because this is something that
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I think a lot of
people don't realize
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how broad the
definition is? Yes. Yes,
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and therefore they are
at risk of being deceived
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if you will?
Yes, okay, absolutely
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the New Age Movement
is really an umbrella
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it's kind of a catch
all for a western social
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decentralized kind
of spiritual movement
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that has its route,
pantheism, the isms that
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you have named.
Pantheism, panentheism,
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neopaganism,
astrology, all of these things
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are under one umbrella.
There's no central figure,
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there is no one set
of believes necessarily.
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It's really catch
all, there are a lot of
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different
spiritual paths if you will.
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That are, kind of
all under this umbrella.
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So, it's a very wide
broad kind of movement
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that affects
everybody in western culture
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really has been
affected by the movement.
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Oh! It's pervasive.
Yes, yes, it's pervasive.
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So, what are some of the, I mean
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kind of give us a
definition if you can
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or who is practicing
this? Again it has touched,
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it's really touched all of us,
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if you really look at it
through books, magazines,
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movies, through yoga
and through acupuncture
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and holistic healing and all,
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contact with the
dead, contact with the dead
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absolutely, absolutely,
they are all meditation,
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I mean it's, it's,
it's penetrating business
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you know the whole
idea of the human potential
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movement and
creativity. It's so broad
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and it's so wide and
we don't really realize
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how it's creeping
into our lives but it is.
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We know it's more
than creeping in some ways,
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I mean it's
creeping into the church.
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Yes, as far as
for many corporate
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and in corporate environments
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its almost being force
fed because many corporations
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are hiring
these guru type people
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they don't call them
gurus but they come in
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for self improvement classes
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and they're teaching
a lot of this you know
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we think of yoga I
mean some people see yoga
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as being something
that is totally benign
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and yet there is a
very definite route
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that's bitter and
dangerous when we would
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route to that,
absolutely, then there is,
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there is this whole
practice of mediation
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and this self what's
the word? Self defecation,
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self defecation, self
realization is the word
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they usually, they
don't go so far to say
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self defecation which
that is the principle,
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but it's the self
realization and corporate
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administrators are
seeing this as a way to may be
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enhance the productivity of
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their people and
they're breaking the men.
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That's exactly right,
you see with metaphysics
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you have to change the wording.
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If you change the wording
it becomes more palatable
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to people, so you
change the wording
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for co-operations and you
make it self actualization
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You know
creativity, production enhancing
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and productivity
enhancing and that becomes
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attractive to business people,
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if you're in schools
you might call it centering
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or getting
children to be more centered
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or to calm down and
bringing in mediation
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practices into schools
or you know with television
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that's, they're just
doing straight up psychic things
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and mediums and there
is a show called medium.
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And we're looking
at a total invasion
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of our society by
these kinds of ideas
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and even don't you think
Wicca the witchcraft tend
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to falls in
under this absolutely,
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as well,
absolutely, that's again
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a great popularity, absolutely
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and that's it's,
we are not as afraid
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of the
supernatural as we once were,
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we've been
desensitized to it and in fact
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some people crave experiences
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with the
supernatural and you cannot,
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you cannot deny
experience and that's where
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the Christian really has to take
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Biblical
principles and the Bible says
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try the spirits you know
because experience is what
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meta-physicians
will really focus on,
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you experience
something that is transforming,
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it is a way to
alter your consciousness
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and that is the whole
aim of mediation to alter
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your consciousness.
And I'm gonna come back
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to mediation in just a second
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but I want to share
this, in some ways our fear
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of the other side
of the spiritual realm
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in some ways has been
something that has held
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Christians back or
held the western population,
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I'll say that we're glad,
but the western population
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back in some ways
because they almost didn't want
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to believe in the devil
or in demons like you know
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you go to Africa and
when people become Christians
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there and understand
about the Holy Spirit
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they are so willing
to accept his working
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in your life. God
working in you through
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the Holy Spirit,
'cause they've dabbled,
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they more than
dabbled, they have lived
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their lives by these
other spirit beings, yes,
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evil beings so they
understand the good,
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the difference between
the evil and the goodness
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of God, but now
in the United States,
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we were afraid
of the spirit realm
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so we just kind
of denied it existed
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and Satan did something
that was so surreptitious
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and so he's a wily
person, he brought it in under
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the guise of something positive,
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so now all of a
sudden the fear is gone
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but we're looking
at it as a positive
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and it's
drawing us away from God
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where as the people in Africa
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look at these
practices and say, yes,
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you know this
is, these are things
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that will lead
you into dark places
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and into trouble. Yes, so
let's pick up on mediation
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because the Bible
clearly says God says
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frequently
meditate upon these things,
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meditate upon my word,
there's a big difference
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between what God is
saying for meditation
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and the type of
meditation that is done in the
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New Age Movement,
talk to us about that.
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Absolutely and that
is such a great point,
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we always, there is
always the counterfeit,
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yes, there is the
real which is God's way
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and then there's the counterfeit
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which is the enemy's
way. God says to meditate
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as you just said,
mediate on my word,
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fill your mind with scripture,
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fill your mind with my
word. Eastern mediation
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says empty the mind,
rid yourself of thought,
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subdue thought so that your mind
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is open and free.
Now, what does that do,
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the emptying of the mind allows
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another
spiritual force to fill it.
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You know that sounds
almost to some people who
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some of you may
be and saying oh yes
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you're gonna
demonize everything,
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but I remember
when Pastor Rick Howard
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was on 3ABN and
I interviewed him
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and he used to be very strongly
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involved in Hinduism.
The religion of Hinduism
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and he said that when you empty
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the mind you're
doing the mantras,
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you're doing the you
know chanting, chanting
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and things he said it
actually scientifically
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has been proven
this puts the mind
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in the alpha
states that marijuana
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does chemical
induces this alpha stage.
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And he said that is
the only stage in which
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people can
channel spirit beings,
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interesting from the other side,
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yeah from God's side
that's the, yes, yes.
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But it is opening
your mind to be taken over
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by other spiritual
forces other than God
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because when we
know that it's absolutely
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against God's word to
this type, absolutely,
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and we're told to you
know relax, to breathe,
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this is an eastern
mediation its through
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breathing and
mantras that you are,
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you become you
end that Alpha state
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and you become susceptible
to demonic influences
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and then ultimately
demonic position, yes,
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and it is just it is,
mediation is the activity
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through which this is
done, through which one
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is connected to the higher self
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and the higher self
is the whole idea of the,
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it's the defecation
of man, you become God,
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you become your own
God. You know, it's scary,
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it is very scary, but I
am gonna share something
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I have never
shared in public before,
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when I was just first in college
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I worked part-time
for a car dealership.
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An automobile
dealership in their accounting
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department and the
office manager there invited me,
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she said hey the car dealership,
00:19:02.43\00:19:04.76
the auto dealership
is going to pay for us
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to go to a mind control class,
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I won't give the name of it
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but it's quite
well known and she said
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and I said a mind
control I don't think
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that sounds too
interested oh yeah
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look at the
brochure, it'll teach you
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how to disciple
yourself to get up
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at a certain hour, do
all of these different things
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you know without an alarm clock
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that you could get up.
And it sounded so positive,
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even so good that
way you can sleep better
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and so I went
for several classes
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and it was this
emptying thought that
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it was also getting in
touch with the inner me
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like you visualization that,
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that's new
technique, and then I saw
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some manifestations that
were extremely frightening
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and I realized I was,
you know, a young teenager
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and I had studied
much in the Old Testament
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I considered myself a
New Testament Christian
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and I started
looking to the Old Testament
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and I realized this
is against God's word,
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but it was very at
first it seemed so benign,
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yes, it seemed helpful,
yes, until then suddenly
00:20:13.06\00:20:17.49
you got into a
little bit deeper level.
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So, the idea of visualization,
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you're seeing
some of this techniques
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actually began to
infiltrate the church
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aren't we? Yes, we are
through again mediation
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you know we are, we're
in contemplative prayer
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mediation and we're
seeing and visualization.
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Satan is so shrewd and
you know use the term wily
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or he is so wily and
shrewd. He makes things
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seem innocuous
and harmless and once
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he reels you in
you realize there is
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something else going on here.
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This, the
visualization and the whole idea
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of the mediation is a
way for Satan to come in
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and to impact the
church too through individuals
00:21:14.47\00:21:19.37
and transform our
consciousness about
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what he's doing, we think
it's harmless and its not,
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we think that
practices like yoga are harmless
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it's just
stretching its not the word
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yoga means union.
We are, you know anyone
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that is
seriously involved in yoga
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will tell you it is
a spiritual activity
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as well, its not
just a physical activity,
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the breathing and the
stretching apart of Hindu,
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the Hindu religion.
So, when we practice that
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and I know that some
of the viewers are gonna,
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you're gonna get a lot of emails
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about the show
probably, but when we practice
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these things we
are actually practicing
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aspects of Hinduism and
it is we really have to look
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at as
Christians what we're doing
00:22:09.13\00:22:11.24
and not be deceived,
these are the last days
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that we are living
in, amen. Deuteronomy 18:
00:22:15.34\00:22:19.81
we're told these
practices that God told
00:22:19.82\00:22:23.53
the children of
Israel to abandon,
00:22:23.54\00:22:26.31
to not deal with, to
not associate with people
00:22:26.32\00:22:29.34
who are doing these
things and we have to look
00:22:29.35\00:22:32.18
at spirit
guides, familiar spirits
00:22:32.19\00:22:35.97
that are
discussed in Deuteronomy 18
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that spirit guides
and there are people
00:22:39.20\00:22:42.42
who are unashamedly
saying well you know,
00:22:42.43\00:22:46.25
you can get in touch
with your inner self,
00:22:46.26\00:22:49.68
your spirit guide
your inner wisdom,
00:22:49.69\00:22:54.18
all of these are euphemisms
00:22:54.19\00:22:55.77
for demonic invasion.
Absolutely, that's exactly
00:22:55.78\00:23:00.04
what I experienced as
been trying to get in touch
00:23:00.05\00:23:02.60
with this, 'cause I
didn't realize I was inviting
00:23:02.61\00:23:04.54
one into, yes, yes and
it was not the Holy Spirit,
00:23:04.55\00:23:07.14
exactly. So, we
are seeing that because
00:23:07.15\00:23:12.18
it has been painted
with such a board stroke
00:23:12.19\00:23:15.81
is as you know some
times, especially the youth
00:23:15.82\00:23:19.85
they'll say you
demonize everything
00:23:19.86\00:23:22.06
but when we look
at things like oh
00:23:22.07\00:23:27.75
the Harry Potter
films, which are popularizing
00:23:27.76\00:23:31.35
the wiccan movement,
yes, or the vampire, yes,
00:23:31.36\00:23:34.73
you know these
trouble was twilight things,
00:23:34.74\00:23:36.82
which all of this seems
so make believe its like,
00:23:36.83\00:23:44.64
yes, just for fun,
one of the fantasy, yes,
00:23:44.65\00:23:46.43
this is fun. But what
we don't realize is that
00:23:46.44\00:23:49.63
we are actually
programming our minds
00:23:49.64\00:23:51.97
to follow the path of Satan.
00:23:51.98\00:23:54.37
You've heard of ancient
paths Theophostics, yes,
00:23:54.38\00:23:58.69
where you have this
okay, this has even had
00:23:58.70\00:24:02.95
its infiltration
into the Christian Church,
00:24:02.96\00:24:06.31
I think the, whether you
want to say contemplative
00:24:06.32\00:24:09.54
or contemplative
prayer, this is something
00:24:09.55\00:24:12.44
that has
infiltrated the Christian Church
00:24:12.45\00:24:14.59
and it's being actually
such that there's people
00:24:14.60\00:24:20.32
who are actually looked
upon as Christian leaders,
00:24:20.33\00:24:24.23
yes, authors of big books, yes,
00:24:24.24\00:24:28.04
and very popular
authors who are propagating
00:24:28.05\00:24:31.48
this whole idea of
contemplative prayer
00:24:31.49\00:24:34.86
where you have the,
the mantras and the visions
00:24:34.87\00:24:37.49
and the you know the
mediation type thing,
00:24:37.50\00:24:40.43
so we're just running
out of time so fast but,
00:24:40.44\00:24:44.27
what do you think as Christians
00:24:44.28\00:24:48.21
that we can do to guard
ourselves, because, yes,
00:24:48.22\00:24:52.86
when it comes under the
guise that something seems
00:24:52.87\00:24:56.78
very simple and it
seems like it could do no harm
00:24:56.79\00:25:00.44
and yet we're opening our
self to demonic influence.
00:25:00.45\00:25:04.19
How can we as Christians
take heed not to become
00:25:04.20\00:25:10.45
involved in something like this.
00:25:10.46\00:25:11.89
Well, the first thing
we have to do is to pray
00:25:11.90\00:25:15.38
and ask God to
renew our minds we have to
00:25:15.39\00:25:21.13
have our minds
renewed, we cannot be conformed
00:25:21.14\00:25:24.00
to this world as we
know but transformed
00:25:24.01\00:25:27.00
by the renewing of
our minds, so we pray
00:25:27.01\00:25:29.33
and ask God for enlightenment,
00:25:29.34\00:25:31.79
not the enlightenment
of the new age movement,
00:25:31.80\00:25:34.97
but he's an illumination
on, yes, on what it says,
00:25:34.98\00:25:40.09
because the word says
try the spirits to the law
00:25:40.10\00:25:42.75
and to the testimony if
they speak not according
00:25:42.76\00:25:45.26
to these words,
there is no light in them.
00:25:45.27\00:25:47.60
So, we have to try the spirits
00:25:47.61\00:25:50.04
and we have to
read the word of God,
00:25:50.05\00:25:52.35
that's how we renew
our minds, many times,
00:25:52.36\00:25:53.88
that's how we
renew our minds, okay,
00:25:53.89\00:25:55.95
and if we don't, if
we are not doing that
00:25:55.96\00:25:59.22
we can be subject
to the great deception
00:25:59.23\00:26:02.45
that is going on right
now. So, we have to pray
00:26:02.46\00:26:05.10
and read and you
know I have to interject
00:26:05.11\00:26:07.32
because you can't
just stop praying,
00:26:07.33\00:26:09.53
that's right. He
right, that's right,
00:26:09.54\00:26:11.95
just as you felt led
to our God didn't stop you
00:26:11.96\00:26:14.57
or the doors were
open for you to study this
00:26:14.58\00:26:16.95
and God's made
something good of it,
00:26:16.96\00:26:19.05
but sometimes if we
pray I think sometimes
00:26:19.06\00:26:23.12
the devil is
trying to setting its up
00:26:23.13\00:26:25.20
almost to say here
I will help you answer
00:26:25.21\00:26:27.99
that prayer, yeah,
yeah, exactly, but we pray,
00:26:28.00\00:26:32.33
but we go the word of
God, yes, and I always pray
00:26:32.34\00:26:35.32
for leading in
his word study out
00:26:35.33\00:26:37.99
whatever the topic
is, because God will speak
00:26:38.00\00:26:41.49
to us through his
word, yes. And I don't trust
00:26:41.50\00:26:44.50
you know sometimes the
Lord's taught me to press
00:26:44.51\00:26:47.81
into his presences
and listen for his still
00:26:47.82\00:26:49.76
small voice, yet he
sends me back to the word.
00:26:49.77\00:26:52.95
That's right, he
will tell me something
00:26:52.96\00:26:54.06
and say look it
up, that's right,
00:26:54.07\00:26:56.23
we don't trust
just what we're feeling
00:26:56.24\00:26:58.43
or think we're hearing,
we can't, you cannot trust
00:26:58.44\00:27:01.71
experiences because the enemy,
00:27:01.72\00:27:05.25
if the enemy transforms himself
00:27:05.26\00:27:08.17
into an angel of
light, so we know that
00:27:08.18\00:27:11.35
he is darkness and we
cannot trust what we see,
00:27:11.36\00:27:15.45
we have to read the
word and we have to ask God
00:27:15.46\00:27:18.82
for his spirit
which is going to convict,
00:27:18.83\00:27:21.82
which is going to
you know help bring back
00:27:21.83\00:27:25.30
to our memories, the
things that we studied,
00:27:25.31\00:27:27.42
He the Holy Spirit
is our guide, Amen.
00:27:27.43\00:27:30.65
And that's what we
have to hold on to.
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Dr. Yvonne Lewis,
our times has flown by,
00:27:32.59\00:27:35.71
it has been fun,
it's been such a pleasure.
00:27:35.72\00:27:37.75
Well, please come
back because I feel like
00:27:37.76\00:27:39.37
we have just barely touched God.
00:27:39.38\00:27:41.44
I would love to, okay thank you.
00:27:41.45\00:27:43.70
Well, thank you so
much for being here
00:27:43.71\00:27:45.51
and I wanted to
close with a scripture,
00:27:45.52\00:27:48.20
if I got time to look
it look it up, Acts 4:12,
00:27:48.21\00:27:50.53
I'll just tell you what it says,
00:27:50.54\00:27:52.37
oh yes, Act 4:12 says
there is no other name
00:27:52.38\00:27:54.89
under heaven by
which men can be saved
00:27:54.90\00:27:58.08
and that is by Christ Jesus.
00:27:58.09\00:28:00.44
Please look to the
Lord and keep your eyes
00:28:00.45\00:28:03.29
focused on Him, trusting in Him
00:28:03.30\00:28:05.12
and be vary of going outside of
00:28:05.13\00:28:09.65
His will. May God bless you.
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