Today books, movies and TV
programs are invading society
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promoting
vampirism, romanticizing evil.
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Is this just harmless
fiction or is this a demonically
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inspired plan that is going
to lead our youth into evil?
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Stay tuned for Issues and
Answers and we will give you
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some surprising answers.
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Music being played.
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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
and we're so glad that you could
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join us today because this
is a topic that we need some
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information on. You know,
the Bible says in Psalm 34:14:
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Depart from evil and do
good, seek peace and pursue it.
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But this vampire craze that
has captured the hearts of teens
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around the world is something
that we as Christians need to be
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aware of and that we
need to know how to address.
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Our very special guest today
is Pastor Steve Wohlberg and he
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is the speaker/director
for White Horse Medias.
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Steve, you've written, what,
24 or 25 books now haven't you?
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Something like that. Yes
and the Lord has blessed.
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We're so glad that
you're back on 3ABN.
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Thank you, Shelley. It's great
to be with you and to be here.
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Well you know you've got a small
book out called The Darkness of
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Twilight. This is just one
of those little pocket books and
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you've addressed this issue. It
seems to me Steve... I know that
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you were one of the first in
our church to address the Harry
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Potter issue. Seems like God
has called you to a ministry of
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identifying things that
are happening out in our world
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and this is a craze, this
vampirism and this Twilight
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series, is a craze that is even
becoming more popular than the
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Harry Potter series. What
is spawning, if you will, the
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vampire craze. Right,
you're right. It is more
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popular than Harry Potter right
now. Potter is kind of on the
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downslide and Twilight is on the
rise. I think as I look at the
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phenomenon I think that the
reason why Twilight... there are
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many reasons. It's a
multifaceted subject but a
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couple of main reasons why
Twilight has become so popular
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is because... Now
let's explain first what
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is, because some
people may not even know.
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Sure, sure. The Twilight series
is a four-part series of books,
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of novels, fictitious novels,
somewhat comparable to the
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Harry Potter novels, but instead
of the hero being a wizard like
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Harry Potter, in Twilight the
hero is a vampire and the hero
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falls in love with an average
normal teenage girl, a regular
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human and it's basically what
they are calling a series of
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vampire romances between
this boy, who is a vampire, and
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this girl, who is normal, and
the drama that surrounds their
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relationship. What's happened
is that the books have become so
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popular. They were authored
by Stepnenie Meyer, who is a
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Mormon woman from the Phoenix
area. These books have become
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so popular that a production
company decided to make the
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first book into a movie to see
if it would fly and the results
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were about 70 million dollars
that rolled in opening weekend
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when the first Twilight
movie hit the theater. Then they
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decided well this is so great
we've got to make the last three
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into movies. So the second movie
came out and it was 240 million
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dollars that rolled in
during opening weekend, which
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catapulted Twilight to number
three as far as all-time box
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office openers. So there are
more movies to come. They are
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making one based on every novel
and it has really become the
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rage of teenagers, not just
in North America, but around the
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world. So It's a big issue
and the reason why I believe God
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has led me to address topics
like Harry Potter and Twilight
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is because one reason is
that I'm a father, I'm a husband
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and a father. I've got two
little kids and I'm concerned
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about young people and for some
reason the Lord has just led me
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to focus on this because there
are very real dangers that are
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underneath this series that
parents and young people need to
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be aware of and need to avoid.
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When we think about the dangers
and the issues, let's just go
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back for just a second to
the Harry Potter series, we have
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seen across the nation, and I'm
not sure about the statistics
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around the world but I'm very
familiar across the nation, we
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have seen a very high rise
in Wicca, the religion of Wicca.
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I know that in our own area in
a town not too far from us there
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is a university and there
are more youth who are following
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the Wiccan religion that
there are who are Christians.
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so this is something that
sometimes... you know I can
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remember watching many programs
on regular networks, news
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programs where they would talk
about the Harry Potter craze
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and they would say well I don't
know why anyone could be upset,
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it's only fiction. But fiction
has its effect and especially on
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young impressionable minds. What
kind of effect... you know there
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may be someone that's watching
us and saying, Big deal, these
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are fiction novels, fiction
movies... what kind of effect
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is this Twilight series, all
of this... and it's not just the
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Twilight series what
are some of the TV programs?
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There's the Vampire Diaries,
there's True Blood, there's a
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whole series of vampire-related
movies and television shows.
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And, as you mentioned, if you
go back to the Harry Potter days
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when Potter first took off,
it wasn't just Harry Potter that
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helped to fuel the witchcraft
trend, but it was definitely
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a big part of it. As
you've mentioned, witchcraft has
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become increasingly popular
among young people and now
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instead of witchcraft in
Harry Potter, it's vampirism in
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Twilight and I'm prepared
to offer solid evidence that
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vampirism itself is on the rise
among young people and what we
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are seeing, Shelley, is a trend
toward the occult whether it's
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witchcraft, whether it's
vampirism, it's a trend toward
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the occult and the way these
movies and books are packaged
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it seems like it's just fun and
fantasy and fiction and there's
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just nothing to worry about, but
the reality is there are forces
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working behind the scenes that
are luring kids into the occult
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and they're getting involved
in record numbers and the public
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generally doesn't see what's
happening behind the scenes and
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the damage that's being done as
young people open their hearts
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up to being invaded by dark
forces, by Satan and his angels,
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and what's happening with
the occult. It's very real, it's
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very powerful
and it's dangerous.
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Why would you think the Lord
would even be against vampirism?
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Well, in the Bible the ingesting
of blood is strongly forbidden.
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In the book of Genesis, after
the flood, God told Noah and his
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family no blood. If you go
to the book of Leviticus, it was
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very clear when God Israel
out of Egypt and he gave them
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certain restrictions that
the ingesting of blood was to be
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absolutely forbidden.
Because the life is in the blood
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he said. That's
right. Leviticus 19:26
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talks about that. Then in verse
28 right after that it talks
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about staying away from
occultism and God knows that
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if you go back to pagan
societies the ingesting of blood
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the drinking of blood, is often
connected to occult rituals;
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they go together. When you look
at the Twilight series there is
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also blood drinking, there's
vampirism and we'll talk more
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about the kind of blood drinking
that's involved in it, but there
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is also a lot of occultism there
as well, even though it's very
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sanitized in many ways, but it's
still there and it's still very
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dangerous. Twilight itself,
I'm totally convinced, is a very
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pleasant gateway to the occult.
I also want to make something
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plain right here, Shelley, that
I'm sure that there are probably
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people that are watching this
program that are Twilight fans.
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There are a lot of them out
there. There are all kinds of
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teenagers that love Twilight;
they've seen the movies and they
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love the characters. They're
just absorbed in this. I want to
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make it very clear that I am
not on a crusade to take a stake
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and pound it into the hearts
of Twilight lovers. You know, I
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recognize what's going on
and I'm here to sound a sensible
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warning and to try to open
people's eyes to the dangers
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that are lurking behind
the scenes to this whole craze.
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That's why I wrote my
book, that's why our ministry is
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addressing the subject head on.
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In fact, you have a new book
coming out on this and I believe
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that... What is that title?
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Well, it's called the Trouble
With Twilight. This little book
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published by Remnant is a small
book, it's a pocket book, it's
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The Darkness of Twilight,
but there's a bigger book in the
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that will be published shortly
that will be in Christian book
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across the country and it just
expands upon the information
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that's in that little book and
it really hits the issue head-on
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It was even eye opening to
some people who worked in the
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publishing house because there
are even Christians who have
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been caught up in
this Twilight phase.
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There are a lot of them, in fact
yes, it's sort of, I don't how
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to say it, inside information,
but there are people even
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within the publishing house
of the larger book... you know
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they've loved the Twilight
series and so when they looked
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at my manuscript, they critiqued
it very carefully and they gave
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me some very practical
suggestions on how to improve it
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because they're looking at it
from a very sympathetic point of
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view because they like Twilight
and there are lots of people
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that do. Well, and
this is the point is
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that when Satan presents sin he
never puts it out looking like
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it really is. He gift
wraps it, if you will.
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That's exactly
right. He sugar coats it.
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And he puts it in this foil
paper and he puts a shiny bow on
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it and he hands it off to us and
it's so entertaining, but it's
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nothing more than gift wrapped
garbage. What kind of effect
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is this fiction? I mean, why
should parents or grandparents
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who may be watching this program
why should they be concerned
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about their teen if they
are, what do they call them,
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Twihards, Twifans? And
you know it's a franchise
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right now. I mean, there are
Twilight conferences, there are
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movies, there are the books,
there are countless websites,
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the list goes on and on.
There are T-shirts, buttons,
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lunch pails, posters, I mean,
it's just a huge rage among
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teenage. A lot of parents have
never heard of it but if they've
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got kids just ask the young
people, have you heard about
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Twilight and they
all know about it.
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And it doesn't matter
whether they're Christian or non
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Christian, it's so has pervaded
their atmosphere they can't
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help but know.
That's right. I've done all
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kinds of radio interviews, you
know that I do radio interviews
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radio interviews. When the last
Twilight movie came out, we sent
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out a press release and I
was booked on over a dozen shows
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discussing this. A couple
of them were national shows and
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the phone lines opened up,
people called in and it was just
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quite a buzz of different kinds
of responses to our ministry and
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the book that we've dealt with,
but the majority of those, at
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least on the Christian shows
that I've been on, they call in
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and they're very positive.
On some of the news and talk
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secular shows they just
don't quite get it, but on the
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conservative Christian shows
the hosts and the callers know
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that there is a real danger
in the occult world and we're
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trying to help kids to
not get involved in that.
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How do we know that fiction is
really influencing the behavior,
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other than entertainment,
how do we know that fiction is
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influencing the
behavior of our children?
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Sure, that's a great question.
A lot of parents and young
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people too will say, Hey, this
is just fiction, it's just a
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story, what are you worried
about? Well I have an article
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here that came out from the
Canadian Press and the title is
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Twilight Franchise Takes
Bite Out of Bronzer As Youth Get
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Ghostly. Here's a picture of
the lead actress in the Twilight
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series. What happens in the
movies is that the boy, Edward
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Cullen, that's his fictitious
name, and the girl, Isabella
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Swan, they wear very pale
makeup. They're in the Forks,
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Washington area where there's a
lot of rain and it's cloudy and
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their makeup preferences,
especially the Cullen family,
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who are the family of these
vampires, they definitely move
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in the direction of pale white
faces. So this article says that
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because of Twilight you've got
teenagers all across Canada who
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have changed their makeup
preferences and that article
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says that they have adjusted or
adapted to what they're calling
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vampire influenced makeup and
so the bronzed look is out and
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now they want more of the pale
look because these kids who have
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been watching the Twilight
movies want to look more like
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Edward and Bella. So when people
say, Hey, it's just fiction, it
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doesn't really affect their
lives, this is just one simple
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example about how fiction does
influence people's lives. Even
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though it's just a story, you've
got all these teenagers that are
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changing the way they put makeup
on because of Twilight. I'm not
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really that concerned about
makeup, no, I'm just using this
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as an illustration of the fact
that people's lives are being
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influenced and I can guarantee
you there are all kinds of web
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sites out there and chat rooms
where people are discussing
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vampirism as well and that's
one of my concerns for sure.
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There is a Bible principle and
it's really well illustrated in
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2 Corinthians 3:18 that
we become what we behold and
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let me ask you this because
I have heard reports that there
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are real vampires. To me I
always thought a vampire was
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just a fictitious character, but
I've heard reports that there
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are real vampires and vampirism
is on the rise so explain what
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a vampire is because there may
be someone like me that was out
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there who at one point in time
thought this was just something
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from a fiction story
we saw when we were young.
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It used to be that way
predominantly although now it
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has changed and just as Wicca
is a growing religion so real
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vampirism is on the rise. When
the first Twilight movie came
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out Shawn Hannity on Fox news
ran a major story called Night
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Neighbors about the growth of
real vampirism. ABC news ran a
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story. 20/20 has recently
done a story and the title was
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If You Love Twilight, Meet Real
Vampires. The Washington Post
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did a story and so there are all
kinds of media reports that are
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coming out that are looking
at the growth of real vampires.
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I think one of the reasons why
this is happening is because in
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Twilight the typical or the
stereotypical creatures of the
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night, which is what the
vampires used to be like,
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is very different in Twilight.
Edward Cullen is the main
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fictitious hero-boy character
who falls in love with this
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teenage girl. He's a 108-year-
old vampire, he's handsome,
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he drives a flashy car, he lives
in a high vaulted ceiling house
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contemporary home, he can handle
some sunlight, he's very cool,
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he's handsome, he's got
super natural powers and in the
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Twilight saga he's a good
vampire. He's what they call a
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vegetarian vampire, which means
he has overcome his natural
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inclination to drink human blood
and he's resisted that and he
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just subsists on animal blood.
He protects Bella, he uses
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his powers to guard her against
evil vampires and he's the good
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guy and when you portray
the good guy as a vampire still
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what happens is the whole idea
of being a cool vampire, it just
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gets into people and they want
to know more about it and the
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reality is that vampirism is on
the rise. Here's another article
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that I have that came out of
Australia and it came out from
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a publication called the Sunday
Mail. It came out four days
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before the last Twilight movie
hit. I'll just read you a few of
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these quotations here. The title
is called Fangs for Tickets:
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Vampire Film Frenzy and it says
it's bigger than Star Wars, Lord
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of the Rings and Harry Potter.
It's the largest film release in
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Queensland history, it's only
four days away. It talks about
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how big Twilight is and the
incredible hysteria and then
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it says here at the end of the
article: Twilight hysteria is
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also being blamed for a plethora
of clans appearing in Australia.
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Groups of self-professed blood
thirsty vampires conduct rituals
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once a month across Queensland,
New South Wales and Victoria.
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One member, 40-year-old Mark,
who did not want his surname
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published claims to consume
blood on a regular basis. He
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says, We're real, we're alive,
we live, we work in cities, we
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hold jobs, we're your next door
neighbor, we have families, but
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we just have a different
understanding, he said.
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And that's the way this article
finishes and I can document
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all kinds of other reports that
there is a strain of vampirism
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that is becoming popular in
our world. It's just like Wicca.
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Wicca says we only practice
white magic, we're the good
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guys, we're not doing dark magic
just white magic. We're trying
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help people and the main form of
vampirism today, many times they
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refer to it as ethical
vampirism and what happens is
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it may sound bizarre to a lot of
us, but somebody wants to drink
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blood and so they find a
donor, they have a consensual
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relationship where the donor
says it's okay. They sign a
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document. They test the donor's
blood to make sure that she
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doesn't have AIDS or some
disease, he or she, and then
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they sanitize their instruments
and then they poke the skin
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and take a little bit of blood,
maybe an ounce a week and the
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vampire will drink this blood
for the purpose of trying to
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enhance his or her well-being
to feed some kind of a
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deficiency in their diet,
to make themselves healthier
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and happier and more energized.
So you've got ethical vampirism
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that's growing and these
articles say... and there's
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research out there that's
available to the media where
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many of these people are doctors
and lawyers and professionals
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and they're doing this on a
regular basis and they don't see
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anything wrong with it and
they have come out as they say,
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witches came out of the closet,
now vampirism is coming out of
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the coffin and they are trying
to sanitize it and make it
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something that's okay.
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Steve, it occurs to me that
what we have going on here is
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I think part of the reason that
teens were so taken by Harry
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Potter, and youth, they're
looking for a power in their
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lives and the people with the
vampirism who are drinking blood
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they're looking for a power,
something to empower them, and
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the reason we should be as
Christians concerned other than
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it is... they call it ethical,
it sounds unethical to me
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other than the fact that it is
against the scriptures that say
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not to partake of blood,
the reason we should be alarmed
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and recognize that this is
Satan's working in our society
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is it seems that in both cases
the authors of these books have
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been relatively obscure women
who had never published anything
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before and there's almost like
a demonic power. They both got
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them through dreams, I know
you're going to back and we'll
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talk about this, but they both
got them through dreams and they
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just absolutely were catapulted
and the trajectory into the
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public and there's something
supernatural about what happened
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there, but instead of looking
for power from God, the Spirit,
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the Holy Spirit in his power,
it's like the devil has them
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turning toward these end times
looking to someplace else for
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power. It looks so much more
exciting than what we're talking
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about. That's
right. Well, most people
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out there generally they don't
know what the Bible says. We
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live in a society where atheism,
at least among the scientific
00:21:06.15\00:21:09.95
community, is in the majority.
Evolution is the dominant
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belief system in the public
schools and the biology text
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books and in the national parks.
So kids are growing up in this
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environment not knowing. They
don't really know God and they
00:21:20.23\00:21:23.74
are searching for something
and they're searching for
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supernatural power, they're
searching for help in their
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lives and so they read the
Twilight novels, they watch the
00:21:28.80\00:21:31.72
movie, they see Edward Cullen,
this super cool, attractive,
00:21:31.75\00:21:35.57
handsome vampire boy who can
climb trees faster than Spider
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Man, who's got all these super
natural powers, who can read
00:21:38.88\00:21:41.55
minds and they look at that
and they think, Hey, you know,
00:21:41.58\00:21:45.11
that is really cool, and he's
a good guy. Shelley, it is very
00:21:45.15\00:21:48.65
easy to go from a book to
a movie to a website and then
00:21:48.68\00:21:52.90
to checking out real vampirism.
It's happening all the time.
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Kids are being lured into
this thinking, Hey, I'm going to
00:21:55.28\00:21:57.64
check this out. You know, that
looks cool, that looks fun, I
00:21:57.68\00:22:00.22
want spiritual power and what
they don't know is that they're
00:22:00.26\00:22:03.38
stepping into the occult world
and Satan is right there luring
00:22:03.41\00:22:06.50
them on and his goal is to
invade their hearts, invade
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their lives, lead them away from
Jesus Christ entirely and to
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possess their souls and
I'm totally convinced without
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question that Twilight is part
of a Satanic strategy that is
00:22:17.56\00:22:21.68
going on behind the scenes
of an ancient being whose name
00:22:21.71\00:22:25.04
used to be Lucifer, now it's
Satan, and who is working to
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lure kids into the occult and
Twilight is very much a part of
00:22:28.50\00:22:32.20
his plan. Our little book that
I have written and our ministry
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is designed to sound the warning
and that it's to direct young
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people, young and old, away from
this kind of craze and to direct
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them to someone else and
someone else's blood. We can
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talk about this later on in
another program about the blood
00:22:48.61\00:22:51.37
battle, but I think we're
in a blood battle and Satan is
00:22:51.41\00:22:54.10
directing people to the blood
of vampirism when God is trying
00:22:54.14\00:22:57.63
to direct people to the blood
of Jesus Christ his son, because
00:22:57.67\00:23:00.82
that's the only blood that can
cleanse us from sin, that can
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result in a clean conscience and
forgiveness and it's only His
00:23:04.88\00:23:08.15
power that can come into our
hearts and give us real peace
00:23:08.18\00:23:11.42
and joy and love. Behind
the scenes we're in a battle
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between God and the devil and
Twilight is part of that battle.
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Amen. I'm so thankful that
God has raised you up. You know,
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we always need someone
who's going to respond because I
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realize that... I was on
vacation not too long ago for a
00:23:29.03\00:23:35.13
few days off and was in an
area where my eyes were opened.
00:23:35.17\00:23:41.24
Because it was like I had
stepped out of my protected
00:23:41.27\00:23:44.90
bubble into an area that was
very modern and just totally a
00:23:44.93\00:23:50.66
different culture and I realized
Lord don't let me get so
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spiritual minded that I
am of no earthly good because
00:23:55.19\00:23:59.57
it's so easy for us Christians
to spend our time in church, we
00:23:59.61\00:24:04.51
spend our time associating with
one another. It's easy for us to
00:24:04.55\00:24:09.41
forget that there is a
real world out there that really
00:24:09.45\00:24:12.46
needs our help.
That's right. You know, some
00:24:12.50\00:24:15.69
people think well what in
the world are you doing talking
00:24:15.73\00:24:18.46
about vampires. But the reality
is that a lot of kids are
00:24:18.50\00:24:21.16
getting into this and we need
to address it and to try to open
00:24:21.20\00:24:24.78
their eyes and sound a sensible
warning. Like I said, that's why
00:24:24.81\00:24:28.36
we have the book, that's why
we have our website that deals
00:24:28.39\00:24:31.40
with this, that's why I've
been on all these radio and
00:24:31.44\00:24:33.77
television shows, that's why
we are here and we're trying to
00:24:33.80\00:24:36.75
sound a sensible warning to
open people's eyes. I'll just
00:24:36.79\00:24:39.86
tell you one quick story. I
got a phone call from the school
00:24:39.90\00:24:43.53
board chairman of a Christian
school not far from where I live
00:24:43.57\00:24:48.79
and what happened in class
in this school was a 14-year-old
00:24:48.83\00:24:54.27
girl fell down on the floor
in class and went for two hours
00:24:54.30\00:24:59.71
exhibiting signs of demonic
possession. The kids were
00:24:59.75\00:25:03.06
just amazed, they didn't know
what was going on. The teacher
00:25:03.10\00:25:05.32
was amazed. They started praying
for this girl and two hours
00:25:05.36\00:25:08.05
later the spirit left her
and she returned to her sanity.
00:25:08.09\00:25:11.24
Come to find out a lot of the
kids in the school were reading
00:25:11.27\00:25:14.39
Twilight and some were
experimenting in the occult.
00:25:14.42\00:25:16.52
So this school board chairman
called me and said, Steve, can
00:25:16.55\00:25:19.10
you come and talk to our
kids? Because you know about the
00:25:19.13\00:25:21.80
occult and we want you to
talk to them. So I came. We went
00:25:21.83\00:25:24.81
through some Bible scriptures,
talked about Mark 5 about the
00:25:24.84\00:25:28.10
legion of demons that had
entered into this man and how he
00:25:28.13\00:25:31.41
was cutting himself and doing
all kinds of things, which, by
00:25:31.44\00:25:33.97
the way, is another practice
that's growing among teenagers.
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It's called cutting where they
are compelled to cut themselves
00:25:36.80\00:25:39.54
and to draw blood and it was
going on with all these kids.
00:25:39.57\00:25:44.18
You know the one thing I learned
from Sherie Peters was that once
00:25:44.22\00:25:46.51
they begin cutting it really
does release endorphins and
00:25:46.54\00:25:51.85
it becomes an addiction.
That's exactly right, it becomes
00:25:51.88\00:25:53.67
an addiction just like Twilight
has become an addiction. It's an
00:25:53.71\00:25:56.52
obsession, it's a craze. It's
very easy to be fascinated by
00:25:56.56\00:26:01.16
blood and then to be wanting
to check out blood and then to
00:26:01.20\00:26:04.78
eventually try blood and then
to become addicted to blood.
00:26:04.81\00:26:07.87
In my little book, I document
that there's a dark side to
00:26:07.91\00:26:10.86
vampirism, a real dark side.
I mean, the whole thing to me is
00:26:10.90\00:26:13.29
dark, but even when they say
it's kind of sort of like white
00:26:13.32\00:26:16.24
vampirism, it's very easy to go
from the white to the dark and
00:26:16.28\00:26:19.50
to actually get involved in
crimes and there are documented
00:26:19.54\00:26:23.46
of people who have murdered
for blood. They call themselves
00:26:23.49\00:26:26.94
vampires and they kill people.
You know, I don't focus on that
00:26:26.98\00:26:30.43
much in the book but I just
mention it briefly with a little
00:26:30.46\00:26:33.85
bit of documentation to help the
readers know that this is a real
00:26:33.88\00:26:38.99
dangerous trend in our society
and we're trying to help kids
00:26:39.03\00:26:41.95
to get away from it,
as far away as possible.
00:26:41.98\00:26:43.82
If someone wanted to get your
little pocket book, The Darkness
00:26:43.85\00:26:46.36
of Twilight,
what is your website?
00:26:46.39\00:26:50.78
Yes, we have one main website
which is avoidtwilight.com.
00:26:50.81\00:26:54.34
It's easy to
remember: avoidtwilight.com.
00:26:54.38\00:26:58.02
And we have a phone number:
800-78Bible for those who don't
00:26:58.06\00:27:01.49
have internet access. It's just
a little tiny book. When the
00:27:01.53\00:27:04.95
Twilight movie came out people
have been buying this book by
00:27:04.99\00:27:07.55
the hundreds at a time, giving
them out at theaters, giving
00:27:07.59\00:27:10.33
them to their friends, giving
them out at youth groups and it
00:27:10.36\00:27:13.07
is just a little resource
to open people's eyes to the
00:27:13.10\00:27:17.16
dangers of the occult, the
dangers of Twilight and to point
00:27:17.20\00:27:20.10
people ultimately to Jesus
Christ, his shed blood, his
00:27:20.14\00:27:22.85
death on the cross, his
resurrection and his desire to
00:27:22.88\00:27:25.53
come into our lives, into our
hearts and to change us and give
00:27:25.56\00:27:28.53
us the power that the
occult really can't give us.
00:27:28.56\00:27:31.49
Amen. Well you know they try to
differentiate between dark magic
00:27:31.53\00:27:37.43
and white magic
or white vampirism.
00:27:37.46\00:27:40.30
It's a convenient separation.
00:27:40.33\00:27:41.79
There is no separation
as far as God is concerned
00:27:41.82\00:27:44.32
That's right. Not in the Bible.
00:27:44.36\00:27:46.02
Okay. Steve we want you to come
back so that we can kind of go
00:27:46.05\00:27:49.40
into this a little bit further.
Thank you so much for being here
00:27:49.44\00:27:53.69
today. Sure,
you're very welcome.
00:27:53.72\00:27:55.07
You know, the Bible tells us
that we have been bought with
00:27:55.10\00:27:59.86
a price and that price is the
precious blood of Jesus and that
00:27:59.90\00:28:04.04
is the blood that we should put
our focus on because there is
00:28:04.07\00:28:08.15
our salvation. I pray that this
program has been eye-opening
00:28:08.18\00:28:12.22
for you. Thanks for joining us
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