You know, I have a saying: Rules without relationship result in 00:00:01.98\00:00:06.36 rebellion. Religion can be filled with rules but it doesn't 00:00:06.39\00:00:11.39 draw us closer to the Lord. Relationship is full of 00:00:11.42\00:00:16.89 salvation and satisfaction. Stay tuned and learn more. 00:00:16.93\00:00:22.36 Music is playing. 00:00:22.40\00:00:42.90 Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn and we're so glad that you're joining us 00:00:42.94\00:00:47.08 today for Issues and Answers. You are, I believe, really going 00:00:47.12\00:00:51.00 to enjoy this program because we're going to be looking at a 00:00:51.03\00:00:55.24 familiar topic in a different way. What we'll be looking at is 00:00:55.28\00:00:59.84 the Sabbath and how to have a Sabbath that's not dominated 00:00:59.88\00:01:04.80 by rules, but a Sabbath that is dominated by relationship, a 00:01:04.84\00:01:09.24 Sabbath that you will really enjoy, a Sabbath that will bring 00:01:09.27\00:01:13.73 honor to the Lord. Right now it is my distinct pleasure to 00:01:13.77\00:01:18.19 introduce you to our very distinguished guest 00:01:18.23\00:01:21.22 Dr. May-Ellen Colon. Dr. May Ellen, we're so glad that you're 00:01:21.25\00:01:24.95 here with us today. 00:01:24.98\00:01:25.99 It's a real privilege and pleasure. 00:01:26.02\00:01:28.19 Now you are the assistant director for Sabbath School and 00:01:28.22\00:01:32.52 Personal Ministries of the General Conference of the 00:01:32.55\00:01:34.25 Seventh-day Adventist Church, right? Right. That's a mouthful 00:01:34.29\00:01:38.64 but you're also the author of a book From Sundown to Sundown: 00:01:38.68\00:01:43.00 How to Keep the Sabbath and Enjoy It. 00:01:43.03\00:01:47.22 We're going to be talking today and even a few programs more 00:01:47.26\00:01:54.16 about your journey in learning how to get away from just 00:01:54.19\00:01:59.49 ritualistic rules to really finding meaning in the Sabbath. 00:01:59.52\00:02:04.48 But what I wanted to do before we actually begin is let's let 00:02:04.52\00:02:08.83 our audience know a little bit about you. Tell us just a little 00:02:08.87\00:02:13.15 bit about who you are and just kind of encapsulate your 00:02:13.19\00:02:18.89 personal story quickly. 00:02:18.92\00:02:21.19 Well, I grew up in the church in a low income project and so 00:02:21.23\00:02:26.57 the church actually became the center of my happiness. Anything 00:02:26.61\00:02:31.91 that happened in my life happened at the church because 00:02:31.95\00:02:35.27 my neighborhood didn't offer very much. So I grew up rather 00:02:35.31\00:02:39.86 devoted and also to performance. You know, I wanted to show my 00:02:39.89\00:02:44.40 loyalty to the church and so I tried to follow the program, get 00:02:44.44\00:02:49.97 with the program, so to speak and that meant being careful 00:02:50.01\00:02:55.00 that I did observed the rules and the expectations. It wasn't 00:02:55.04\00:03:00.00 until I got to college when I really realized that it's not 00:03:00.03\00:03:05.54 how I look and how well I'm doing, because a person that is 00:03:05.57\00:03:08.43 well organized and self disciplined can be better at 00:03:08.46\00:03:11.73 performing certain rules and expectations than someone who is 00:03:11.76\00:03:14.35 probably more laid back. So when that approach is taken 00:03:14.38\00:03:18.99 it's more about the person. When I really realized I was a 00:03:19.02\00:03:24.04 sophomore in college Morris Venden came to our college and 00:03:24.07\00:03:27.07 he shared this message all week of which the bottom line was 00:03:27.10\00:03:32.28 grapevines don't bear grapes, in order to be grapevines, but 00:03:32.31\00:03:37.11 because they are grapevines and the same with apple trees, the 00:03:37.14\00:03:41.02 same with cherry trees. When it comes to Christians, Christians 00:03:41.05\00:03:45.49 don't do good works in order to be Christians but because they 00:03:45.52\00:03:49.78 are Christians. Exactly. I relate to you so well 00:03:49.81\00:03:53.35 May-Ellen because I grew up also fairly poor after my father 00:03:53.38\00:03:57.59 was killed. We were poor. But I also grew up having no sense of 00:03:57.62\00:04:04.28 identity in a way. I felt that I has to be perfect to be loved 00:04:04.31\00:04:11.20 at home. Perfection was rather much demanded. I was taught 00:04:11.23\00:04:15.52 in a denomination, the church I went to, that God demanded 00:04:15.55\00:04:20.16 perfection. He was going to spew you out of his mouth if you give 00:04:20.19\00:04:23.58 him anything less than and so I was very performance oriented, 00:04:23.61\00:04:28.19 always trying, not outperform others, but trying to do my very 00:04:28.22\00:04:33.40 best to be accepted. I had a love affair with the Lord and 00:04:33.43\00:04:39.55 the church was also my center, but I didn't really have any 00:04:39.58\00:04:46.53 security. So that's kind of where you were till Morris came 00:04:46.56\00:04:49.05 along. Yes, Yes. Now you met your husband at college and tell 00:04:49.08\00:04:55.78 us a little bit about what your experience has been as a married 00:04:55.81\00:04:59.41 couple. Well when we got married by then 00:04:59.44\00:05:03.10 we said we really would like to go overseas someday and be in a 00:05:03.13\00:05:06.89 foreign mission. We thought well, we both feel pretty good 00:05:06.92\00:05:11.74 about cultures that aren't ours, in fact, I basically married 00:05:11.77\00:05:17.39 across a culture because my husband is from Puerto Rico 00:05:17.42\00:05:20.07 and he married across, he married a gringa as they say, 00:05:20.10\00:05:23.58 and so we had already experienced that idea. 00:05:23.61\00:05:27.91 So we put our name in the secretariat at General 00:05:27.94\00:05:31.54 Conference and we got several calls during the several years 00:05:31.57\00:05:34.62 after that. We had calls to various places, but it was never 00:05:34.65\00:05:37.35 the right time; either we had just gotten transferred to 00:05:37.38\00:05:40.62 another church or something. He was pastoring? Yes he was 00:05:40.65\00:05:44.64 pastoring and he went back and forth between departmental work 00:05:44.67\00:05:47.69 and pastoring. But finally in 1988 it was the right time and 00:05:47.72\00:05:53.41 we said, We're going to have to do it now or we may never do it. 00:05:53.44\00:05:56.66 Our children were 4 and 6 and we said, Okay, we're going Lord and 00:05:56.69\00:06:01.68 a call came, well two calls came at the same time, but the 00:06:01.71\00:06:05.02 one we took was in Abidjan, West Africa. It was then called the 00:06:05.05\00:06:10.24 African-Indian Ocean Division. My husband dealt with the health 00:06:10.27\00:06:16.51 ministries and spent some time in the ministerial department, 00:06:16.54\00:06:20.17 too, as one of their associates. We were working together as 00:06:20.20\00:06:24.48 directors of family ministries for the division. 00:06:24.51\00:06:26.90 Now when you were in Africa did you find that they practiced 00:06:26.93\00:06:31.19 certain things about our religion, if you will, I guess 00:06:31.22\00:06:38.62 religion, or doctrinal truths, I believe they have the same 00:06:38.65\00:06:41.45 doctrinal truths but were there different practices specifically 00:06:41.48\00:06:43.75 on the Sabbath? Well I noticed... We had a lot 00:06:43.78\00:06:49.18 of folks from Europe there also as missionaries and some 00:06:49.21\00:06:52.29 from the Philippines and it seemed like there were different 00:06:52.32\00:06:55.91 attitudes and different how-to's in keeping the Sabbath in their 00:06:55.94\00:07:02.13 particular homes and also we'd travel to other countries, too, 00:07:02.16\00:07:06.16 to get from home to Africa and we just noticed different 00:07:06.19\00:07:10.42 patterns in different parts of the world of keeping the 00:07:10.45\00:07:14.65 Sabbath and they be opposite to each other but yet they were 00:07:14.68\00:07:20.09 condoned in that particular culture. It got to be confusing. 00:07:20.12\00:07:22.88 So I said, There's got to be a way to find a guide that cross 00:07:22.91\00:07:28.32 culturally will help straighten this out in my mind at least. 00:07:28.35\00:07:31.96 So I had my antennas up then to look for some way to decide 00:07:31.99\00:07:39.14 cross-culturally how to keep the Sabbath and live it. 00:07:39.17\00:07:43.08 You know, in Mark 2:27- 28, Jesus said this. He said, 00:07:43.11\00:07:50.96 The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. 00:07:50.99\00:07:54.61 So God made the Sabbath as a gift for man, but then he goes 00:07:54.64\00:07:59.22 and he says, Therefore the Son of Man is also the Lord of the 00:07:59.25\00:08:03.88 Sabbath. I think sometime that what we forget is what this 00:08:03.91\00:08:09.65 Sabbath is all about. Your little boy said something to 00:08:09.68\00:08:12.77 you... I know that I interviewed you on the Today program. You 00:08:12.80\00:08:16.65 shared a story that happened actually before you went to 00:08:16.68\00:08:19.81 Africa when you were in church and you were singing a song 00:08:19.84\00:08:23.72 Sabbath is a Happy Day. Your little boy tugged on you as a 00:08:23.75\00:08:27.10 4- year-old and said, No it's not Mama. Now that was the 00:08:27.13\00:08:31.94 beginning of a journey that got your feelers up and now you're 00:08:31.97\00:08:35.60 looking for ways to make the Sabbath more meaningful for 00:08:35.63\00:08:39.44 your children. Because you were a minister and his wife you were 00:08:39.47\00:08:42.75 very busy on Sabbath days. But how did you go from this 00:08:42.78\00:08:47.72 personal search of trying to make it more meaningful for 00:08:47.75\00:08:52.09 your family to writing actually a dissertation for 00:08:52.12\00:08:56.50 your doctorate and then writing the book, From Sundown to 00:08:56.53\00:09:00.26 Sundown: How to Keep the Sabbath and Enjoy It. 00:09:00.29\00:09:02.34 Well after he said that we tried to be more intentional even 00:09:02.37\00:09:06.29 though we had a busy day often of meetings and visiting other 00:09:06.33\00:09:09.77 people. When we went to people's houses one of us tried to sit 00:09:09.81\00:09:14.11 with the children and not just visit with the adults, maybe 00:09:14.14\00:09:17.71 look at a story book or something with them and we tried 00:09:17.74\00:09:21.88 to carve out at least a time slot during the Sabbath even if 00:09:21.92\00:09:25.84 it was a busy one to be with them; just something simple 00:09:25.87\00:09:29.15 even if it meant sitting on a blanket out in the yard or in 00:09:29.18\00:09:32.39 the middle of the field, just to focus on them. Then when we went 00:09:32.43\00:09:36.19 to Africa as we went around the Africa-Indian Ocean Division and 00:09:36.22\00:09:40.17 did seminars on family ministry, we had one series of seminars we 00:09:40.21\00:09:44.13 did on family wellness. One of those wellness features of a 00:09:44.16\00:09:49.36 family that is well is that the family is spiritual. So we were 00:09:49.39\00:09:53.92 doing that particular seminar in Rwanda. As we were talking 00:09:53.95\00:09:57.93 about how to make your family more spiritual and have family 00:09:57.97\00:10:02.85 worship and all of that, this little lady raises her hand and 00:10:02.88\00:10:07.58 says, Sabbath is a very unhappy day for my family with all my 00:10:07.62\00:10:12.06 children. It's just so difficult and it's not happy and I end the 00:10:12.09\00:10:16.50 day more tired than when I started. How can I make it 00:10:16.53\00:10:20.13 better. Do you have some suggestions how to live it 00:10:20.16\00:10:23.97 better? It caught me by surprise. That was not part of 00:10:24.00\00:10:27.73 the script. In fact, the others jumped in and then the seminar 00:10:27.77\00:10:31.78 turned from family worship to how to enjoy Sabbath; that was 00:10:31.81\00:10:35.79 what the rest of the time was used for. 00:10:35.82\00:10:37.84 So what you're saying to me or what I'm picking up is that 00:10:37.87\00:10:42.13 people had lost the meaning of why God gave us the Sabbath. 00:10:42.16\00:10:47.78 It was almost like a day that was taken away from us by a 00:10:47.82\00:10:53.37 demanding God instead of a gift of love given to us by a loving 00:10:53.40\00:10:58.45 God, you know, and the folks were having... 00:10:58.49\00:11:00.45 Oh that's excellent. I cannot tell you how many people that I 00:11:00.49\00:11:05.50 know that fit into that category people who feel like that this 00:11:05.53\00:11:10.25 is a day that a demanding God has stolen out of my schedule 00:11:10.29\00:11:14.36 rather than looking at it as a gift from a loving God saying 00:11:14.40\00:11:17.94 This is the day for you to come vacation with me, right? 00:11:17.98\00:11:21.45 Yes. If we could somehow reframe it, but that's being intentional 00:11:21.49\00:11:26.97 reframing. So that little lady really got my attention, because 00:11:27.00\00:11:32.45 I could have answered to her what was the right day. I was 00:11:32.48\00:11:35.16 pretty good at proving what was the right day and the doctrinal 00:11:35.19\00:11:38.18 theological background, but how in the world do you live it? 00:11:38.21\00:11:41.16 The answers I gave her were, I feel, shallow as I look back, 00:11:41.20\00:11:45.77 and so I said, I'm going to make a seminar to help me. One of my 00:11:45.81\00:11:50.35 classes in my doctoral program was to make some kind of a 00:11:50.38\00:11:54.30 resource for your field, my area was religious education. So I 00:11:54.34\00:11:58.31 said, I'm going to make a seminar for the Sabbath. 00:11:58.35\00:12:01.52 So I did research and interviewed different people and 00:12:01.55\00:12:04.65 came up with a seminar on how to really live the Sabbath. I took 00:12:04.68\00:12:08.73 that all around Russia when we were over there... 00:12:08.76\00:12:10.91 More importantly, you actually put it into practice at home. 00:12:10.94\00:12:14.87 That was my journey and it helped me to put it, I'm glad 00:12:14.90\00:12:18.75 you brought that up, it helped me in my own family to live it. 00:12:18.79\00:12:22.61 I have a double motivation because I can't be out there 00:12:22.65\00:12:26.68 preaching this if I'm not doing it myself. 00:12:26.72\00:12:28.44 May-Ellen, that is so true because this is something... 00:12:28.47\00:12:31.50 I can't really teach anything with any anointing or with any 00:12:31.53\00:12:34.87 conviction if I'm not living it in my own life, right? 00:12:34.90\00:12:37.68 Yes. It has to be something that I love and part of me, not just 00:12:37.71\00:12:41.87 a head thing that I know. 00:12:41.91\00:12:43.75 So through your experience, taking it from the head to the 00:12:43.78\00:12:48.14 heart, not just the head but the heart. 00:12:48.17\00:12:49.94 And then the hand after that. And the hand, that's good, 00:12:49.97\00:12:52.59 the head, the heart to the hand. Your experience, tell us how did 00:12:52.62\00:12:57.16 you determine what things you would practice on the Sabbath? 00:12:57.20\00:13:02.05 You know, as I was teasing to this program I happened to 00:13:02.09\00:13:06.86 comment to you that rules without relationship result in 00:13:06.90\00:13:10.73 rebellion and I know so many people, including my husband 00:13:10.76\00:13:15.23 when he grew up, that the rules about Sabbath were so 00:13:15.26\00:13:19.65 restrictive and it was on the Sabbath you can't do this, you 00:13:19.69\00:13:23.48 can't do this, you can't and Sabbath was a day of don'ts, 00:13:23.52\00:13:27.24 a day of restrictions. So how did you determine what practices 00:13:27.28\00:13:34.45 your family would enjoy on the Sabbath? 00:13:34.48\00:13:37.55 Well, again it was a journey. After I did that seminar well 00:13:37.58\00:13:42.98 it came time to do the dissertation and I realized 00:13:43.01\00:13:48.44 well Sabbath is a very good religious education issue since 00:13:48.48\00:13:51.78 that was what I was working on and it's a very key one I think. 00:13:51.81\00:13:55.08 So I said well I'm going to do a dissertation on this issue. 00:13:55.12\00:13:58.54 So I started. You know, you have to do a review of literature, 00:13:58.57\00:14:02.08 that's chapter two usually in some dissertations, and so I 00:14:02.11\00:14:05.40 said, I'm going to study the scripture with my Sabbath 00:14:05.43\00:14:08.89 how-do-I-live-the-Sabbath eye glasses on. I started doing that 00:14:08.92\00:14:13.81 and I found different patterns of different texts, stories and 00:14:13.84\00:14:19.45 texts and things that give hints on how I could turn this into a 00:14:19.48\00:14:24.19 practice. They helped me to get some principles. For example, 00:14:24.22\00:14:28.90 when I read about Jesus, there were seven healing miracles that 00:14:28.93\00:14:33.76 are recorded in the gospels. Nice number. Yes, seven Sabbath 00:14:33.79\00:14:37.57 healing miracles. So I realized that's a principle. So healing 00:14:37.60\00:14:43.11 has got to be a principle that we live by on Sabbath because 00:14:43.14\00:14:46.45 Jesus healed. I looked at other things. I read about the places 00:14:46.48\00:14:52.47 where it said God rested. I ended up with around 15 00:14:52.50\00:14:56.91 different patterns or principles as I studied the scripture. 00:14:56.94\00:15:02.54 Now some people may find 10, some people may find 12, but 00:15:02.57\00:15:06.64 for this dissertation I ended up with 15. 00:15:06.67\00:15:10.19 So now explain to us what... because different people have 00:15:10.22\00:15:16.41 assigned different values to different words, so what is the 00:15:16.44\00:15:20.94 difference between a principle, define a principle compared to 00:15:20.97\00:15:26.03 say a rule. Well, one of my favorite 00:15:26.06\00:15:30.11 teachers at Andrews, John and Nellie Youngberg, I had both of 00:15:30.14\00:15:33.83 them, John used to say: Rules are many, principles are few, 00:15:33.86\00:15:39.05 rules sometimes change, but principles never do. 00:15:39.08\00:15:44.73 So a principle is a universal, timeless foundation to help 00:15:44.76\00:15:51.75 guide our practices and we can apply these principles. 00:15:51.78\00:15:57.07 You know, there's room within the principles, for example that 00:15:57.10\00:16:02.82 I have delineated about the Sabbath keeping, within each 00:16:02.85\00:16:05.88 culture there's room for individual application within 00:16:05.91\00:16:09.29 that culture. So principles are more foundational and they are 00:16:09.32\00:16:13.11 for all time, for all people, and they are in the scripture 00:16:13.14\00:16:15.96 when we are addressing this subject and then each culture 00:16:15.99\00:16:19.62 that takes that principle; Oh the principles of healing, how 00:16:19.65\00:16:22.31 can I apply that in Spain or how can I apply that in Zambia. 00:16:22.34\00:16:28.28 Or the principle of rest; how can I apply that. You find 00:16:28.31\00:16:32.97 your cultural application of that, but you try to be true to 00:16:33.00\00:16:37.17 the principle. You said to me before we came 00:16:37.20\00:16:39.86 out here that rules are kind of like, what did you compare to, 00:16:39.89\00:16:44.13 a soccer field? Explain that because I liked that. 00:16:44.16\00:16:47.21 Oh, well, if you have a soccer field or a basketball court 00:16:47.24\00:16:52.36 there are lines. You know, you have an option of either 00:16:52.39\00:16:55.62 throwing an old sock in each corner and say that's the 00:16:55.65\00:16:58.79 boundaries or you have some clearly delineated lines that 00:16:58.82\00:17:03.51 are drawn. If you don't have the lines, you know, we can get 00:17:03.54\00:17:09.16 into a real hassle about where the ball went and whose foot 00:17:09.19\00:17:13.83 landed where and who was out of bounds and all this, and then it 00:17:13.86\00:17:17.13 becomes a very legalistic game and it takes the joy. But when 00:17:17.16\00:17:21.90 you have some clear principles to follow then you can play the 00:17:21.93\00:17:27.70 game and enjoy it. In fact, Marva Dawn, one of my 00:17:27.73\00:17:30.72 favorite authors, maybe some of you have heard of it, she wrote 00:17:30.75\00:17:34.02 a book called Keeping the Sabbath Wholly. She is a 00:17:34.05\00:17:40.34 Lutheran writer I believe and she said that if we have 00:17:40.37\00:17:44.45 intentionality on the Sabbath, intentional principles we follow 00:17:44.48\00:17:50.49 it frees us from legalism and we can enjoy the game. 00:17:50.52\00:17:57.49 Amen and hope that the rules aren't so many when you 00:17:57.52\00:18:00.77 understand the principle, you can have the practice of that 00:18:00.80\00:18:10.08 principle, how can I say this? The practice of the principle 00:18:10.11\00:18:13.80 when it's really in your heart, you don't have to have so many 00:18:13.83\00:18:16.56 rules. Yes and you know something, 00:18:16.59\00:18:18.82 if you operate... now we're going to take the principle to 00:18:18.85\00:18:21.96 the next level about reflecting a certain characteristic of God 00:18:21.99\00:18:26.43 through every principle... I'll talk about that in a minute, 00:18:26.46\00:18:28.90 but when you operate above the rule level on the principle 00:18:28.93\00:18:34.16 level and every principle reflects a certain 00:18:34.19\00:18:37.37 characteristic of God, the way I've broken it down in this 00:18:37.40\00:18:40.45 particular book, the standards are higher than ever, they are 00:18:40.48\00:18:45.82 higher than ever! Would you agree it's the 00:18:45.85\00:18:47.61 difference like little children need rules about don't touch 00:18:47.64\00:18:52.53 the stove, it's hot, don't do this, don't do that, but as a 00:18:52.56\00:18:56.47 child becomes more mature they understand these things are hot, 00:18:56.50\00:19:00.40 you don't have to worry about these rules, is that correct? 00:19:00.43\00:19:03.79 It's in their heart and it's theirs and they have the 00:19:03.82\00:19:06.55 motivation and then they go beyond just the bare minimum. 00:19:06.58\00:19:12.87 I like what you said; you mentioned that when you went to 00:19:12.90\00:19:16.65 scriptures this time in preparation for your literary 00:19:16.68\00:19:20.68 review in your dissertation, that you had your, so to speak, 00:19:20.71\00:19:24.73 Sabbath glasses on. You were looking for Sabbath principles. 00:19:24.76\00:19:30.50 Now you actually kind of had, if we could say, three lenses in 00:19:30.53\00:19:35.40 those Sabbath glasses. Why don't you set that up for us. 00:19:35.43\00:19:38.28 Okay, so far we've talked about the rule level or the 00:19:38.31\00:19:42.85 practice level and we talked about the principle. I guess we 00:19:42.88\00:19:45.63 can call those a lens too, and we talked about the principle 00:19:45.66\00:19:49.37 lenses that we looked through to help us decide how to live the 00:19:49.40\00:19:54.67 Sabbath and now there's something even better than that 00:19:54.70\00:20:00.13 to follow, oh well, I shouldn't say better but helpful, 00:20:00.16\00:20:03.11 extremely helpful. Whenever I want to make a decision on how 00:20:03.14\00:20:10.01 to act or how to live sometimes I try to find a hero to emulate 00:20:10.04\00:20:15.03 and that gives me... that's the value of reading biographies and 00:20:15.06\00:20:17.53 so forth of noble people. So as I think of God he has certain 00:20:17.56\00:20:25.54 characteristics, I just love him when I think of these 00:20:25.57\00:20:29.50 characteristics. For example: He is a healer, he is love, he 00:20:29.53\00:20:38.19 wants to relate to us and have an intimate relation with us 00:20:38.22\00:20:43.41 and so forth and so forth. He's affirming and on and on. 00:20:43.44\00:20:48.07 I realized when I thought of God some of these principles 00:20:48.10\00:20:53.02 that I had dug up for my dissertation apply to God. 00:20:53.05\00:20:57.79 You know this is how God is. So these are principles that he 00:20:57.82\00:21:02.89 goes by so that's the third lens; what characteristic of God 00:21:02.92\00:21:06.81 do I want to emulate when I live the Sabbath or any other 00:21:06.84\00:21:11.90 life style? Let me make sure I'm 00:21:11.93\00:21:14.49 understanding you. So the principle reflects some 00:21:14.52\00:21:20.57 characteristic of the person of God. So when you are looking 00:21:20.60\00:21:25.77 at this thing, you can either say, I'm looking at my rule, 00:21:25.80\00:21:30.09 is this really part of the principle, is there a good 00:21:30.12\00:21:34.62 principle to this rule? Does this reflect the person of God? 00:21:34.65\00:21:39.54 Or you can start from the other side and say, I'm looking at my 00:21:39.57\00:21:43.79 God; now what is the principle about the Sabbath that reflects 00:21:43.82\00:21:48.19 his character and knowing that what will be my practice, in 00:21:48.22\00:21:52.64 other words, my rules? Is that correct? 00:21:52.67\00:21:54.70 Yes, and those are three lenses that we can either test the rule 00:21:54.73\00:21:57.56 we already have, you know, what's the principle and what's 00:21:57.59\00:22:01.27 the characteristic of God or we can say, All right, I want to 00:22:01.30\00:22:04.03 keep the Sabbath, where do I start and you think of different 00:22:04.06\00:22:08.42 characteristics that God has. You know, we should have this 00:22:08.45\00:22:12.90 for all of our lifestyle practices, but the Sabbath is 00:22:12.93\00:22:16.16 the day above all days that we should certainly use this model. 00:22:16.19\00:22:21.11 So when you start looking through these lenses, if you 00:22:21.14\00:22:25.15 will, the lens of the person or character of God, the lens of 00:22:25.18\00:22:28.98 the principle and the precepts under that, this helped you to 00:22:29.01\00:22:34.21 see the Sabbath in a new way and we have that graphic on the 00:22:34.24\00:22:38.06 screen right now so our viewers can see those three P's, the 00:22:38.09\00:22:41.30 person, the principle and the precept overlapping there. 00:22:41.33\00:22:44.67 Now May-Ellen, where did you get this concept of these three 00:22:44.70\00:22:50.25 lenses. I just happened to read a book 00:22:50.28\00:22:53.21 by Josh McDowell and Bob Hostetler called Right From 00:22:53.24\00:22:56.66 Wrong and it was a book about how young people can make 00:22:56.69\00:23:02.06 principled choices and some of the struggles that they're up 00:23:02.09\00:23:05.94 against. I thought, Wow, a light bulb went on; this can apply 00:23:05.97\00:23:09.64 to the Sabbath issue that I've been studying and to any 00:23:09.67\00:23:12.33 Christian lifestyle issue. The Sabbath sometimes for some folks 00:23:12.36\00:23:16.99 is among one of the harder ones to live. In the dissertation, I 00:23:17.02\00:23:21.54 was just dealing with principles and rules, you know, living at 00:23:21.57\00:23:25.57 the principle level and I found those principles. Now I said, 00:23:25.61\00:23:29.93 now I can add another dimension to make Sabbath all about him, 00:23:29.96\00:23:33.96 it's really all about him, and principles really don't explain 00:23:33.99\00:23:37.96 it enough to how to really... 00:23:37.99\00:23:39.27 Not until you understand that they are representative of the 00:23:39.30\00:23:43.75 character of God. Yes and this book gave me the 00:23:43.78\00:23:47.59 the idea when you want to make a lifestyle decision, in this 00:23:47.63\00:23:50.94 case it's the Sabbath, what we're talking about, you think 00:23:50.97\00:23:54.28 about a person you love, that you honor, that is one of your 00:23:54.32\00:23:57.59 heroes and what is he or she like? So I started thinking 00:23:57.63\00:24:01.28 about God in relationship to those principles I'd already 00:24:01.31\00:24:04.93 found and I found a characteristic of God that 00:24:04.97\00:24:09.29 matched every one of those principles that I'd found. 00:24:09.32\00:24:11.55 You know, for example, I had the principle of healing. Well God 00:24:11.59\00:24:16.26 is a healer. And the principle of resting on the Sabbath; well 00:24:16.30\00:24:20.47 God rested on the Sabbath and Jesus modeled it when he was on 00:24:20.51\00:24:24.65 earth. And the principle of just 00:24:24.68\00:24:25.88 honoring that rest. You had a story in the book. We have 00:24:25.92\00:24:30.59 just a few minutes. I don't know if you can tell it very quickly, 00:24:30.62\00:24:32.54 but there was a story about a friend who was a realtor and 00:24:32.57\00:24:36.00 whether or not to show a piece of property on the Sabbath. Can 00:24:36.04\00:24:39.43 you set that up for us? 00:24:39.47\00:24:40.44 Yes. A friend of my named Kathy told me this story, it's in the 00:24:40.47\00:24:44.36 book too that I wrote. She was busy arranging some artifacts in 00:24:44.39\00:24:49.02 her house and then her son was on the phone with 00:24:49.05\00:24:51.83 her aunt who was trying so hard 00:24:51.86\00:24:53.84 to sell some property in North Carolina and the realtor had 00:24:53.87\00:24:57.38 just announced to her that she was going to show this property 00:24:57.42\00:25:00.92 on Sabbath. And the aunt said, What can I do, I'm not even 00:25:00.95\00:25:04.36 going to be there. Maybe it's just knit picking. You know, it 00:25:04.39\00:25:08.54 was a rule that she said well I don't want her to show it 00:25:08.58\00:25:12.66 but I'm not going to be there, so what does it matter? So Kathy 00:25:12.70\00:25:16.48 started sharing with her. Apparently she had read the same 00:25:16.51\00:25:20.06 book I had. So you have these three lenses to look through to 00:25:20.10\00:25:23.43 test any decision we're going to make so that you can really 00:25:23.47\00:25:27.65 see what you want to do. So she said, Okay aunt. She took 00:25:27.69\00:25:32.28 the phone. Yes it says and if we have the diagram up here 00:25:32.32\00:25:36.32 you'll see the first thing she mentioned: It says in 00:25:36.35\00:25:40.28 Exodus 20:10, Don't allow your stranger who is within your 00:25:40.31\00:25:44.73 gates to work, and you know that was her work, which was showing 00:25:44.76\00:25:50.02 property. But she said, we can rationalize that away; Oh I'm 00:25:50.05\00:25:54.61 not going to be there and so on and it's just a small thing 00:25:54.64\00:25:58.52 and so there has to be another way to decide what to do. So 00:25:58.56\00:26:02.40 Let's go on to the principle level, the second lens and that 00:26:02.44\00:26:07.15 is, well of course obeying not to let your stranger work within 00:26:07.19\00:26:11.63 your gate, obeying the Lord as a response for our love to him, 00:26:11.66\00:26:16.20 but also trusting him to take care of what I leave undone on 00:26:16.24\00:26:20.25 Sabbath, which in this case would be not show property. 00:26:20.28\00:26:24.26 Trust him in what I leave undone on the Sabbath. 00:26:24.29\00:26:27.30 So there are two principles, two scriptural principles 00:26:27.33\00:26:29.74 How does this reflect the person? 00:26:29.77\00:26:31.97 Well, Jesus was an example of trust and obey. In Gethsemane 00:26:32.00\00:26:38.55 he said, Not my will but thine be done. He modeled that 00:26:38.59\00:26:44.04 trusting God with the outcome even if the decision was 00:26:44.07\00:26:49.46 difficult. So that would be the third lens. So she shared that 00:26:49.49\00:26:54.14 with her aunt. You know, Aunt, this is a decision. You know, 00:26:54.18\00:26:59.40 it's all about God; are you trusting him, can you trust him 00:26:59.44\00:27:04.62 to sell that property. So she didn't show it on the 00:27:04.66\00:27:07.59 Sabbath. She didn't. What happened? Well she sold that 00:27:07.63\00:27:10.53 property plus another one. 00:27:10.57\00:27:12.19 Praise God. So when she reflected the character of Jesus 00:27:12.23\00:27:17.02 obeying and trusting in his Father and God did take care of 00:27:17.06\00:27:21.82 what she left undone on the Sabbath. 00:27:21.85\00:27:23.53 And it made her aunt feel so good that it's about God. 00:27:23.56\00:27:27.30 It's an about God decision, not just a little knit picky rule 00:27:27.34\00:27:31.06 level. You know, this time has flown by 00:27:31.10\00:27:34.02 and we're going to ask you to come back and we're going to 00:27:34.05\00:27:36.65 really delve into some wonderful Sabbath practices and wonderful 00:27:36.68\00:27:43.40 Sabbath traditions. May-Ellen, thank you so much 00:27:43.44\00:27:44.77 for being here today. You're welcome. 00:27:44.80\00:27:46.59 I hope that you have enjoyed this time with May-Ellen Colon. 00:27:46.63\00:27:50.91 She's the author of From Sundown to Sundown: Keeping the Sabbath 00:27:50.94\00:27:55.97 and Enjoying It. We are seeing that the Sabbath is all about 00:27:56.01\00:28:00.81 him. It's a gift, a day that he has given to us and this is a 00:28:00.84\00:28:05.67 day that he wants us to call a delight. Now I pray for you that 00:28:05.70\00:28:10.49 God be with you always. 00:28:10.53\00:28:14.59