Participants: J. D. Quinn (Host), Gregory L. Jackson
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000411
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00:01 In Matthew 19:6, it tells us,
00:04 "Therefore what God has joined together, 00:06 let no man put asunder." 00:09 Today, we're gonna be talking about surrender and divorce. 00:12 Stay with us, we'll be right back. 00:39 Welcome to Issues and Answers. My name is J.D. Quinn. 00:43 I want to read to you from Matthew 11 verses 28 to 30. 00:48 "Come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, 00:51 I will give you rest. 00:53 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, 00:55 for I am gentle and lowly in heart, 00:59 and you will find rest for your souls. 01:01 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." 01:06 Today, we have a special guest, 01:08 his name is Pastor Greg Jackson. 01:11 Welcome, Pastor Jackson. Thank you. 01:12 It's good to see you. It's good to be here. 01:14 Tell our audience a little bit about yourself. 01:16 Well, I am a pastor in the Allegheny West Conference, 01:20 and I now pastor the Bethel Seventh-day Adventist Church 01:23 in Cleveland, Ohio. 01:24 I've been a minister for 31 years 01:26 and married to Marilyn Jackson, for 14 years, 01:31 we have five children, five grandchildren. 01:35 Amen. And that's basically it. 01:39 We're talking about a topic today 01:40 that's gonna grab a lot of people's attention. 01:43 And divorce a blessing? 01:46 In your book, "How surrender makes marriage happier, 01:49 divorce a blessing, the simple life fulfilling." 01:52 You have a chapter on divorce a blessing? 01:57 Please, explain that. 01:58 Yeah, that's the title that does generate 02:02 debate or inquiry and sometimes confusion, 02:07 divorce a blessing those seem to be two conflicting ideas, 02:11 but my purpose in writing the book is to show that, 02:14 when we deal with surrender in any situation, 02:19 we can find the blessings of God in that situation 02:22 There are many people that I've gone through divorce 02:25 and divorce has just ravaged them emotionally, 02:27 spiritually, and every other kind of way, 02:30 but it doesn't have to be that way, 02:32 if they're dealing with surrender, 02:33 they can find the peace and the blessings of God 02:36 even in that negative situation. 02:38 I also noticed here, Greg, 02:40 how to turn your pain into peace, why divorce? 02:44 Yes, yes. There is, that's the whole focus of it 02:51 really as well as showing how you can even find peace 02:59 after the divorce has happened, 03:01 but there is something that very few people understand 03:04 and I think that, if they understood it 03:08 and dealt with surrender, 03:10 it would stem a lot of problems. 03:12 If both married partners did it, 03:15 it would save the marriage. Amen. 03:17 If one does it, it may not save the marriage 03:20 because in order to save a marriage, it takes two. 03:23 But it can give them peace in the midst of the problem, 03:27 in the midst of the situation, and that's why I deal with it. 03:30 So, and that, that is this. 03:33 In every situation before you come to the decision 03:38 to divorce, there is a process that takes place. 03:41 Now let me put it like this. 03:43 When you get married, you either going through 03:45 one or two processes, either going through 03:49 the process of God joining you together 03:51 because that's a process. 03:52 When you first say, "I do." 03:54 You're not fully joined at that point, 03:56 you're announced as husband and wife. 03:59 But, only God can join you more and more, 04:02 and that's the process. 04:03 The marriage is a process of God joining two individuals, 04:09 two different individuals and joining them and molding them 04:13 in more and more into oneness, that's a process. 04:16 So we're either going through that process of being made 04:19 one by Jesus or we're going through the process 04:24 of what I call the process of divorce. 04:28 Now, it may not end in divorce, 04:32 two people can still stay married, 04:34 but they don't have too much love for one another, 04:36 and that too they're not one. 04:38 They're like two different individuals 04:40 living two ships passing in the night. 04:44 But, in order for it to be a true marriage, 04:47 you have to be going through the process 04:48 of being joined together. 04:51 There is the other process of being -- process of divorce 04:55 if you recognize the symptoms, you can avert it. 05:00 And that is this, you see, 05:02 when we get married, 05:03 again this goes back to an early interview 05:07 we had about the purpose for getting married. 05:10 And remind our audience 05:13 what the purpose of getting married is. 05:14 The purpose for getting married is, 05:17 is because you are convinced 05:19 that's God's will for your life, amen. 05:21 And God's purpose which becomes your ultimate purpose, 05:25 it's develop His image in you, which is His agape love. 05:30 And so, in marriage it's more about giving 05:33 than it is receiving. Amen. 05:34 Now, so when if our purpose is other than that, 05:40 what happens is, we are joining to the other person, 05:45 when we say, I do, 05:46 like I did in my first marriage, 05:49 I was a Christian individual, my wife was the same, 05:53 we both loved the Lord and both were sincere, 05:55 when I said I do, I meant for life 05:58 and I'm quite sure she did too. 06:00 But what I didn't understand is that, 06:04 I had the wrong purpose and it was depending 06:07 on the wrong source, 06:08 and relating with the wrong kind of love. 06:10 And so, when I said I do, 06:12 I'm thinking that this woman God has given her to me 06:16 and she's gonna meet all my needs 06:17 and she's probably thinking the same thing. 06:20 Well, what happened was, she was human 06:25 and I'm human and so I didn't meet all of her needs 06:27 and she didn't meet all of mine. 06:28 And when that happens your needs are not getting met 06:32 what happens is every time 06:34 your needs are not getting met there's hurt, 06:37 there's pain, there's a scar. 06:41 And the more the person doesn't meet the needs 06:46 and the less needs they meet, the more you feel that pain 06:50 and what happens is you began, 06:53 at first it doesn't effect you too much 'cause 06:54 you still have hope that the person is gonna do. 06:57 But after a while if it continues, 06:59 you began to feel, wait a minute, 07:02 I don't know if they can ever make me happy 07:04 and meet those needs. 07:05 Now what starts happening is a process of divorce. 07:09 Because when you come to the conclusion that this person, 07:11 I made a mistake or this marriage 07:14 is not gonna make me happy 07:15 or this person can never meet my needs 07:17 or somebody out there better, or whatever. 07:20 You're beginning the process of divorce I don't care 07:23 if you're married, you're beginning that purpose. 07:26 If you don't stop that process and start the other process 07:31 of being joined together, 07:33 it's going to either come to physical divorce 07:36 or emotional divorce, where you're still 07:38 in the same house, but you're not divorced 07:40 or the best scenario, the best scenario, 07:44 you're still married, you have a degree of happiness. 07:47 But, you know, a lot of it is just, you know, 07:51 I'm used to this, we've been married and so, 07:53 you know, I've put a lot of time into this 07:55 and we're gonna stay married, you know. 07:59 But, and even I'm pretty happy in it. 08:04 That's why I said, makes marriage happier, 08:08 because the best marriage will be enhanced 08:13 when the two understand surrender, 08:15 have the right purpose for being married, 08:18 are depending on the right source 08:19 and relating to the right kind of love. 08:22 So, whenever divorce is happening 08:24 it's because the worse scenario is happening. 08:27 It's the same thing, you know, 08:28 you had the wrong purpose 08:31 and maybe with the wrong kind of love. 08:33 Just the fact that you're so radically 08:35 different in personality that the needs not being met 08:43 or the conflicts that you run into are much more frequent. 08:47 And the needs being met are much less, 08:50 because the person is so radically different 08:53 from who you are. 08:54 And that process begins to happen 08:58 and it happens in ways that we don't know 09:02 and don't even recognize until we get to that point 09:04 where we say, "I'm ready to end this thing. 09:07 " But there was a process that happened way before then 09:10 and if we realize and when we began to see 09:12 just a little tell-tell signs of, 09:14 you know, that I make a mistake, 09:17 I don't know if I can ever be happy, 09:19 you know, those little kinds of things. 09:21 Any kind of doubt or whatever, 09:23 it lets you know you're in that process 09:25 and you need to understand 09:27 the process of being joined together, 09:29 which comes from understanding surrender. 09:35 Again, the reason we go through the process of divorce 09:40 is because we're not going through the process of being 09:41 joined together, the reason we're not being 09:44 joined together by God is because 09:46 we're not surrendering fully to God 09:49 and depending on Him to supply our needs, 09:52 that's why that text that you opened up with, 09:56 "Come unto me all ye that labor." 09:59 "And are heavy-laden and I will give you rest." 10:03 You know, "take my yoke upon you, 10:06 learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart 10:09 and you will find rest." 10:12 That's the only way we can turn this around, 10:14 but we have to, we have to come to grips 10:18 with the truth that in Christ dwells 10:25 all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. 10:28 And in Him, we are made complete. 10:32 Let me just say this quickly, you know, 10:35 one of the biggest errors of our, 10:40 of our not only our time throughout time 10:43 concerning marriage is -- and the church helps perpetuate 10:48 this error in many ways. 10:49 I mean, we say, "You're not complete 10:53 until you have the other half." 10:58 And we, and we and now, you know, 10:59 that sounds good and we, I've heard it many pastor 11:03 I've done it myself, we feel sorry for single people. 11:07 And we, we pity them and feel that they are, 11:11 they can't find happiness until we find them a mate. 11:15 And it is true that God came up 11:18 with the institute of marriage is a beautiful thing, 11:21 but He never instituted it for the reasons that we give. 11:26 For instance, we use this text and I've used it like this, 11:29 I hear it, use it like this all the time. 11:31 It is not good for man to be alone. 11:36 Now, we interpret that text from a sinful perspective. 11:43 What do I mean by that? I mean by that is this. 11:46 We interpret that from our sin experience. 11:50 When God did it, there was no sin. 11:53 We are born in sin that means we're born separated from God. 12:00 We're not born with God in His rightful place, 12:03 ruling our lives, intimately connected to Him, 12:07 knowing His power in our lives. 12:09 We're not born like that, we're born separated from God. 12:11 Therefore, we're born with a hole in our center, 12:16 that is crying out to be met by whatever 12:20 and whoever we can see, touch, feel, whatever. 12:24 And we use people, places and things to fill that hole, 12:28 well, until we come to grips with Jesus Christ. 12:32 But, what happens is we are spoiled 12:35 by the philosophies of this world 12:38 and the rudiments of this world 12:39 in our own human, faulty human nature that says, 12:43 we need someone other than Christ to fill this gap. 12:47 Because in Colossians 2:8, it says, 12:48 "Don't be spoiled by the philosophies 12:52 and the traditions and the rulers of this world 12:55 as if you can find it in other than Christ, 12:57 for in Him who has all the fullness." 12:59 But we don't feel that, 13:01 that's not -- we're not born with that, 13:04 because we're born separated. 13:05 That is an act of faith until we get to know God. 13:08 And so we don't know until we interpret that text 13:15 it's not good to be alone to say this. 13:20 You need to be married to someone 13:22 because it's not good to be alone, 13:23 so they can give, so you can receive from them. 13:28 It's not good for you to be alone so 13:29 you need somebody else to make you whole, 13:31 to deal with your loneliness. 13:33 So with some more receiving, 13:35 I need for you to receive. 13:36 So when we get married, we get married 13:38 for the whole purpose of self and that's sin. 13:42 Our whole focus, when I married I said, 13:44 I do, this woman's going to make me happy, 13:48 fulfilled, complete, this is the one 13:51 and for the rest of my life, 13:53 I'm gonna stay with her. 13:54 She is saying, this is my knight 13:55 in shining armor, he's going to be my deliver, 13:59 that's Jesus, not me. 14:03 He's going to be for all and so we get it in 14:05 and that doesn't happen. 14:07 And we perpetuate that, it's not good, 14:09 the Bible says, it's not good to be alone. 14:12 Now, when Jesus said that, when God said that, 14:15 He said, "I have made you in my image." 14:20 God is love and His love is the kind 14:24 that doesn't receive it gives, 14:26 and the more He gives the happier He is. 14:29 He said, it's not good for you to be alone 14:31 because you're my image, 14:32 you have the kind of love I have, 14:33 you in order for you to go grow in that image, 14:36 you must give of yourself selflessly to others. 14:41 Therefore, it's not good for you to be alone, 14:43 you have to have someone else that -- 14:45 and soI'm gonna give you equation, 14:47 I'm gonna give you a mate that's made like you, 14:48 and I'll get into that in depth in the book. 14:50 How that the one that's like us requires of, 14:54 requires us to give more selflessly 14:57 than even the inanimate, 14:58 the nature, inanimate nature. 15:00 So, when God did that, 15:02 He did that for His ultimate purpose, 15:05 which is to develop us in His image. 15:07 The more we grow in that image, 15:10 the happier we are, because I've learned 15:13 as I am dealing with God, 15:15 His love is beginning to complete me. 15:19 And the more I am used of God to spread that love selflessly 15:24 I am blessed. 15:26 I tell people, you know, when I'm ministering, 15:28 the Lord's working through me, 15:30 it's more of a blessing to me than it is to you. 15:32 You know, and so God, you know, 15:35 and when He said that, that's what He was saying. 15:38 He wasn't saying it's not good for you 15:40 to be alone because you're gonna be lonely. 15:43 Because Adam didn't even know he was lonely 15:46 when God created him, he said, you know, 15:47 now name the animals, he started naming the animals. 15:49 He said, wait a minute, I noticed something, 15:52 there's two of them and only one of me. 15:54 And then, you know, once he realized, 15:57 he said, my Lord, he said, you know, the Lord, 15:58 I put it like this. 16:01 The Lord says, you know, okay, okay, 16:02 now that you realize that, 16:03 now that you know that you have your wholeness 16:06 and completeness without your companion,right. 16:10 You're ready for her, 'cause if you try, if you, 16:13 so I'm gonna put you to sleep, 16:15 why he had to put Adam to sleep? 16:17 It didn't hurt him for God to take the rib, 16:20 God can do without the-- he put Adam to sleep 16:22 because he wanted time alone with Eve. 16:25 The first man Eve saw was not Adam, it was God. 16:30 I don't know how much time they had together, 16:31 but I'm quite sure she realized 16:33 and that time together that my wholeness is in him. 16:36 God wanted her to realize that. 16:38 The reason sin came is because Adam either forgot that 16:43 or ignored it, because when Adam realized 16:48 that he was not going to have Eve, 16:50 he wasn't willing to do that. 16:53 And there's a quote in Patriarchs and Prophets, 16:57 it said that, you know, Adam, 16:59 he forget all, he knew the love, 17:02 but he turned away from all that for the love of her 17:05 not realizing or not thinking and remembering that God 17:09 could be all that he need and supply her place. 17:12 See, he put too much and then immediately after he did it, 17:18 all that love he had for her was gone, 17:20 because when God came, He said, this is that woman, 17:23 she did it, you know, don't get me God, get her. 17:26 And then she said, oh, no. 17:27 It was, you see that that's the result of self law, 17:32 that's the result of it. 17:33 And we get married for that very reason. 17:39 And, you know, like I say, 17:40 the church puts its stamp on it, 17:41 because we say, isn't not good for man 17:43 to be alone, you need somebody. 17:45 Well, you do need somebody, 17:46 but not for the reason you say. 17:48 When you have God right in your life 17:50 that's what John could, you know, 17:51 be on the Island of Patmos and be complete wherever, 17:54 and be imprisoned. 17:56 And because we need Jesus and we have Him. 18:00 Now, we do need others because 18:02 we need to give ourselves selflessly, 18:04 single people need others for that reason 18:07 and they can find the joy of the Lord in this singleness, 18:09 if that's God's will for them, 18:12 they can find just as much joy in that as a married couple 18:16 can find in their marriage. 18:17 Because the source of their happiness is the very same, 18:21 it's the relationship with Jesus Christ 18:22 and God has ways of fulfilling 18:24 even the human aspects of our needs through others 18:28 in legitimate ways when we have the right connection. 18:31 What do you think about going through Christian counseling? 18:37 I think you do what you have to do 18:41 and wherever you are, so I have no problem. 18:43 So then your relationship spiraling downward, yes. 18:46 Okay, and now you're beginning to, 18:48 you certainly sense that hey, 18:50 this is not my knight in shining armor. 18:52 Yes. And vice versa... Yes. 18:54 And so now you reach out. 18:57 Yes, yes, I have no, I have no problem with counseling. 19:02 The care that I have in that to make sure that 19:06 you pray about it and ask God to lead you 19:07 through right kind of council. Amen. 19:09 Because the counselor can either be good or bad 19:12 and I don't say this, very few counselors, 19:15 even Christian counselors will lead you to the right source, 19:21 more often than not. 19:23 We try to altar the people to fit the situation 19:29 rather than point them to Jesus who only... 19:34 Can first of all meet their need, amen. 19:36 We're trying to tell needy people 19:39 what they need to do in order to solve the situation. 19:46 If they had all of that capacity, 19:49 it wouldn't be a problem, they need something, 19:53 you know, for it to happen. 19:55 And even when they do those things, 19:58 they're not gonna work, like you say, 19:59 "Well, you need to fix yourself up most, 20:01 so when he comes home, you know, 20:04 well it doesn't matter, 20:05 I mean it may work for a day or two, 20:08 but after a while okay." 20:10 Because what causes us to go through, 20:13 what we go through us inside of us, 20:15 there is a need and that need is the Lord. 20:18 So the counseling, yes, but pray about it and let it, 20:23 and make sure they're leading you 20:24 to have a closer walk with the Lord. 20:27 So, is it possible for a married couple 20:29 who's going through the process of divorce 20:31 to start a process of regeneration? 20:34 Very much so, It requires surrender them, 20:37 It requires surrender, Becuase... 20:39 And that's what you're talking about here 20:41 how surrender makes divorce a blessing. 20:43 Yes, yes. Then go ahead. 20:44 And let me just say this, 20:47 and I'll say this at this point because any, 20:52 we think when we're going through the process of divorce 20:55 and we get to the point where we're ready to divorce, 20:57 that divorce is the answer. 21:02 My thing is always this, I've talked I had, 21:07 and I've had this happened before, 21:10 a couple that they're vibrant in their ministry now, 21:14 they're wonderful together, 21:15 they had me to do their renewal of vows and things. 21:18 But, when they came, they had heard about 21:23 one of my books it leads in and the husband said, 21:25 I want us to go here to talk with him, 21:27 because that was in their city at the time 21:28 I'm going to tell you what that city was. 21:31 But, they came to me and he had talked he say, 21:34 "If you just go with me this one time," 21:35 and she came and she take that in my living room said, 21:37 "look, pastor, I'm tell you this right now. 21:39 We've been to all kind of counselors, 21:41 we've been through all kinds of seminars, 21:44 I'm done, I'm done. 21:46 I'm only here because I, he agreed with me 21:50 if I came with him to this meeting, 21:52 he would leave me alone and give me my divorce." 21:55 And I said, and I told her this, 21:57 I say look, "I'm not gonna tell you 21:59 that things will work on your marriage, 22:02 you know, I'm not gonna tell you to go home and do this, 22:04 what I'm saying to you is this, 22:06 is that right now you're hurting 22:09 and you need some healing. 22:11 And you're about to make one of the most important 22:13 decisions in your life, 22:16 when you're not well, you're hurting. 22:19 And all I'm saying to you is this, 22:20 I'm not saying go home and try to patch up the marriage, 22:23 as a matter of fact, I'm gonna tell the both of you 22:25 don't even focus on saving your marriage." 22:27 You know, I told him I said, 22:29 "you need to stop pressuring her, let her alone. 22:31 What you need to is get your healing too 22:34 and that means that both of you need to go home 22:37 and start relating to the Lord in ways," 22:40 and I'm, I didn't have, I don't have time to go into 22:44 'cause I'm telling them how to, but start relating 22:47 and then gave them one of my books 22:48 on how to really start dealing with the Lord. 22:51 I'm saying, I'm just, I'm telling you not, 22:53 I'm not telling you not to do it, 22:55 I'm just saying before you do it, 22:58 let God give you some healing. 23:00 You know, you have time I mean it's, there's no hurry, 23:03 I mean it's not gonna change you don't have to work. 23:06 So just work on that right now, 23:09 I'm not telling you and even told her husband, 23:11 back off, leave her alone. 23:13 Matter of fact, if you always, you know, 23:15 if you're living in separate places, 23:16 leave that alone, you know, give her some space. 23:19 You take your time because you need some space, 23:22 work on your relationship not your marriage, 23:25 work on your relationship. With the Lord. 23:28 That's right. Work on that, 23:29 because and I told where her need was, 23:31 her need was not to work on your relationships 23:34 that you can stay married, because that's her pain. 23:37 She's saying, no, no, and I've been 23:40 through all kind of counseling, no. 23:43 But her need was, I need, I'm in pain, 23:47 and if I get this divorced, it may not stop my pain, 23:49 but it's gone ease it some. 23:51 And my thing was, go to Jesus 23:54 and let Him deal with your pain, 23:56 because He can bring you some healing. 23:57 Now she started hearing that because 23:58 that's what her need was, I'm in pain 24:00 and all I'm hearing from people are these words 24:02 of what I need to do and all that's, 24:05 what the Bible says, what the Spirit of prophecy says, 24:07 but that's, you know, all that's going 24:08 just bring more pain to me, 24:09 I've been trying to do, it doesn't work. 24:12 But, when you start here, here don't worry about it, 24:15 deal with your pain, and if you feel 24:17 you need to do it, go ahead and do it. 24:19 But deal with God first, 24:21 in the way of seeking your healing. 24:24 Long story short, she called me about a month later, 24:29 and she said, "Pastor, guess where I'm?" 24:31 I said,"Where are you?" She said,"I'm in Florida." 24:32 So that's nice and guess who I have standing beside me. 24:35 I said, who? She said, "My husband." 24:37 She says, "Oh I'll tell you, really, 24:38 I just have to tell you, when I came down here, 24:40 I was coming down here to get away from him 24:42 and meet a old friend we, you know, 24:44 going to another man, she said, 24:46 but when I was on the plane, 24:47 the Lord started speaking to me about that 24:49 and so and so, now when I got here, 24:51 I called him up and say, you know, 24:52 did you want to join talk about it, 24:54 he came down and I tell you the Lord has worked 24:57 some miraculous things and we want to try it again. 25:00 Long story short about a year later, 25:02 they called me they've been vibrant in ministry together, 25:05 and they say they wanted to me to do the renewal. 25:07 The Lord brought that marriage back together. 25:10 One of the things that, you know, 25:11 when I say and I'll say this, and when people come to me 25:17 hurting about marriage, I don't even deal with 25:20 how to make your marriage better, 25:22 I deal with how to make your relationship better. 25:25 Relationship with the Lord. 25:26 That's right, because when you make your relationship 25:29 with the Lord better, if God wants to save that marriage 25:31 and more often than not He will, 25:33 you know, He wants to. 25:34 The only way He doesn't to is neither one of us, 25:36 if both of you are surrendering, 25:38 you know, He'll do that. 25:40 I have another part which says, 25:41 if God wanted a divorce and be surprised, 25:44 I don't have time to begin to that, 25:45 maybe we'll have some other time for that. 25:47 But, you know, is if more often than not, 25:51 if both of you're doing, He's gonna save that marriage. 25:54 So don't focus on try to save the marriage. 25:56 So you're getting yourself out of the way. 25:58 That's right, and God's will 26:00 is for the marriage to be whole. 26:02 So you both start dealing with God, 26:04 start surrendering to God, let him start healing you, 26:06 start fixing you and molding you, 26:09 He'll work in you both to will 26:10 and do of His good pleasure, His good pleasure,amen. 26:14 And He'll bring you together, so don't work on that, 26:17 work on your relationship people can hear that. 26:19 And when you meet where they are, 26:20 they're hurting, God's going to heal they're motivated. 26:23 Amen, and when you say for His good purpose, 26:26 what do you think that means, God's good purpose? 26:29 When I say for His good purpose, 26:31 I don't know, quite sure what... Okay. 26:33 God's purpose for the-- Yes. 26:34 Okay, well His purpose ultimately is to develop you 26:37 in his image, to make you in his character, 26:40 in his character of love, agape love, selfless love. 26:43 That you're giving of -- and when he has two people 26:47 like that, that's a little bit of heaven on earth. 26:49 And you don't have to be married too, 26:50 to have that for a single person, 26:52 as they're like that, near around people like that. 26:55 There is still heaven on earth. 26:58 And what is our role as being brothers and sisters 27:00 in Christ for those that need love? 27:02 Our role as brother and sister in Christ is to first of all, 27:07 beyond giving them a counsel is to reflect 27:11 the loving character of God. Amen. 27:13 And the only way you can reflect the care 27:15 and loving care 'cause, you know, 27:17 we try to reflect love and we do it either to one extreme 27:21 or the other, we've two pains and that too not enough. 27:23 But reflecting now that means surrendering to God 27:26 and let God use us to go there to be used of God. 27:29 Not to try to correct them well I'm not telling 27:31 what the Bible says about this, 27:32 what the Spirit of Prophecy says about this, 27:34 but spiritually, that's why I love this, 27:35 let those who are spiritual, 27:36 that means you're gonna surrender to the spirit. 27:38 Lord, show me how if I can be used. 27:40 And it might be don't say anything right now, 27:42 just put your arms around them, whatever, 27:45 but you have to let the spirit of God work through 27:47 you to reach out to them to love them. 27:49 Amen, amen, what a good topic, 27:54 divorce a blessing, but yet we know that 27:57 God is what it's all about. Yes. 27:58 You know, ultimately. 28:00 Just thank you for being with us today 28:02 on Issues and Answers. Yes. 28:04 I want to thank our audience for being with us. 28:06 You know, that our desire for you is that 28:09 He just blesses you abundantly, God bless. |
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