Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Carol Cannon
Series Code: IAA
Program Code: IAA000403
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00:01 Are you someone who's always putting
00:03 unrealistic expectations on yourself 00:05 or maybe even on someone else. 00:07 Or are you always in a hurry and you're multitasking. 00:10 Stay tuned because we've got 00:13 some good news for you. 00:39 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn and welcome again 00:41 to "Issues And Answers." 00:43 Today we're gonna be talking about 00:45 how to overcome what our -- I guess 00:47 I would say officially approved addictions. 00:50 And I have a scripture that I really want to share 00:53 with you this is Proverbs 14:12, 00:56 and it says, "There is a way that seems 00:59 right to a man, but its end is the way of death." 01:04 And that's what we're talking about today, Carol. Right. 01:06 Let me introduce our special guest to you, 01:08 Carol Cannon from Birmingham, Alabama. 01:12 And we are so glad that you've come back again, Carol. 01:15 Thank you. Now we invited you back because 01:18 you are a certified counselor for drug and alcohol. 01:22 Well, alcohol and drug abuse. 01:24 We invited you back to talk about drugs and alcohol, 01:27 but actually it seems what people wanted to hear most 01:31 and what's needed most is to delve a little deeper 01:34 into something that the last time you were here, 01:37 we talked about. 01:38 And that was perfectionism, 01:40 work alcoholism, religious addictions. 01:43 The addictions that we consider clean 01:47 or proved addictions that are intrinsically good 01:51 but that are causing problems, 01:53 so that's what we're gonna be talking about today? 01:56 But first tell us a little bit about yourself. 01:58 Well-- Personally I'm a mother and a grand mother. 02:03 And the wife of a pastor. Wife of a pastor. 02:06 And I am in the stage of life where I am very focused 02:09 on enjoying those grand kids. That's wonderful. 02:11 Yeah. But I spent the last 35years 02:17 up to eight hours a day, talking with people 02:20 who suffer from every manner of addiction. 02:23 And in the process discovered 02:25 what my own addictive tendencies are 02:28 and been able to get relief through 02:31 various of the resources that I recommend to 02:35 addicts and alcoholics counseling 02:36 and 12 step programs, prayer, 02:41 church, church, and church disciplines and-- 02:45 Word of God, word of God, absolutely, yes. Amen. 02:48 Well, now you have recently moved from Bowling Green, 02:51 Kentucky to Birmingham to be closer 02:54 to those grand babies. I sure have, yes. 02:56 Yeah, we're so glad that your enjoying your life 02:59 and so glad that you're here to share 03:00 some of your experiences with us. 03:03 Explain to us, you had mentioned these 03:06 were officially approved addictions, 03:09 why do you call them so? 03:11 Because I think that our society in general 03:14 and particularly the religious segment of our society 03:20 reinforces and rewards us for doing some of these things. 03:26 For overworking, for overextending ourselves, 03:29 for over-exhausting ourselves, or for being for attempting 03:34 to be impeccable and unimpeachably pious. 03:38 We get accolades for that and that can really 03:42 kind of feed the starving ego, as it were, 03:46 and we find ourselves just - we get a little applause 03:49 so we do it more because we want more of the rewards. 03:54 But the employers, for example, 03:55 love work, workaholic employees. 03:58 Yes. Right. Yes. 04:00 So there are certain of the addictions that those of us 04:02 who are because trying to be right and righteous 04:06 and trying to be good people, good citizens, 04:08 good members of the family of God. 04:11 But we are drawn to those particularly addictions 04:15 because they're not only considered to be good behavior 04:20 in our sub culture but they're very, 04:22 very rewarded and reinforced. 04:24 You wrote a book, I know the subtitle 04:26 was "growing up imperfect in a perfect family," 04:30 what was the title? 04:31 "Never good enough." "Never good enough." 04:33 And so I want to start there 04:36 and talk about the idea of perfectionism, 04:41 because this is something that in particularly 04:45 within the church, we know that we are to do 04:48 all things unto the Lord. 04:50 We know that it's a good thing to do your best, 04:55 but sometimes your best isn't good enough. Right. 04:58 And people who have strived to be perfect 05:03 in and of themselves 05:05 usually end up in some kind of problem. 05:08 So let's talk about perfectionism and how, 05:12 how we delineate, how we decide 05:15 what's acceptable as far as doing a good job 05:17 unto the Lord and what's going over the line 05:20 where it really is an addictive behavior 05:22 that's feeding our adrenaline system 05:28 or ego and all of that. Right, right. 05:30 Well, I look at it this way, so many individuals come out 05:34 of childhood with a sense of not being good enough, 05:41 that they've not been able to win the approval 05:44 of their parents or their peers. 05:48 And so they are, they are inclined then to, 05:51 to try to outperform what a normal person 05:57 would do in order to get approval. 06:00 All right, so a person like that 06:01 for a person like that, 06:03 one accomplishment or one achievement 06:06 is too many in a thousand are never enough. 06:08 You can't give me enough-- as many trophies 06:12 as I would like to get. 06:14 So I can get one 'A', but if it's not the top 'A' 06:17 in the class, it's not enough. 06:18 Yes. You're talking to me. 06:22 That's the bad thing. That's the way I grew up. 06:24 Right. Because. 06:25 There is certainly nothing in the world 06:27 wrong with wanting to do well. 06:29 And with seeking to perform well, 06:31 it's when I become obsessed with it to the point 06:34 that I judge myself without mercy 06:37 if I fall a little bit short of the top score 06:40 and I even measure other people's worth 06:42 based on their performance. 06:44 That it begins to shade over into being pathological. 06:48 You know, I often teach that about 06:51 "being rooted and grounded" 06:53 is Ephesians 3:16 through 20 discusses. 06:56 "Being rooted and grounded in the love of God." 06:59 And I think if that's your taproot 07:02 you're not gonna fall into these things, 07:05 but if your taproot is insecurity as mine was, 07:09 then you have this, you know, you know consistently 07:12 approve trying to prove yourself. 07:14 And that's a very difficult thing. 07:16 So when we look at how does somebody recognize, 07:20 maybe there's someone who's watching right now. 07:22 Who says, you know, I thought it was good to try 07:25 to do my best and we're not saying 07:28 that it's not a good-- I mean. Exactly. 07:30 it is a good thing to do your best. 07:32 But how do they recognize when they've crossed over 07:35 say into an addictive behavior, 07:38 first if you will again explain to us 07:42 what is the definition of an addiction? 07:46 Oh, okay, addiction is anything 07:49 that I may call highest priority in my life. 07:51 Over and above other priorities doing it 07:54 to my own detriment or the detriment of the people 07:56 closest to me and then continuing to do it 07:58 in the phase of obvious negative consequences. 08:01 So that's the defining factor, that's the line. Okay. 08:04 Where I crossover into behaving in a way 08:06 that's harmful to me, to my health, 08:09 to my spirituality, to whatever, 08:11 and or to the people close to me. 08:15 Maybe I'm neglecting my family, 08:16 I'm not present to my children. 08:18 I'm so busy trying to be perfect that my children 08:21 don't even know me, that I heard out of the mouths 08:23 of some-- the children of a perfectionist mother 08:26 on a one occasion when I was involved 08:29 in some family therapy. 08:30 And the children said to this mother who-- in her case 08:34 was overcompensating for an impoverished childhood 08:38 and so on, and they stated to their mother, 08:41 "Mom, you are so busy trying to be perfect that 08:44 we all know who you are. 08:45 You're trying to make sure that 08:46 you don't have a hair out of place, 08:48 the house is impeccable, you know, 08:51 and you don't have time to show us your human side." 08:54 Now mind you, these were adult children 08:56 saying this to their mother. 08:58 But I think if younger children could speak 09:00 to this they would say much the same thing 09:02 only in a more child like vocabulary. Yes. 09:04 So becoming so obsessed with meeting 09:09 our unrealistically high expectations 09:12 that we literally don't have time to be human. 09:14 Oh, that's bad. 09:15 We find it impossible to lighten up, 09:18 we judge ourselves of other people without mercy, 09:21 we're extremely self critical. 09:24 You know, people even get tired hearing that, 09:26 and if I may, you know. Sure. 09:29 Criticizing myself constantly, and we see the flaws. 09:32 This is, this becomes almost humorous because 09:35 a perfectionist will walk into a room and immediately 09:38 they'll see all the flaws, you know, 09:41 the shades are not all opened, and even, 09:45 or opened in the exactly same way. 09:47 The chairs are not all pushed up to the table 09:49 the way they should be. 09:50 And wouldn't this room look better if we decorate it 09:53 in this way instead of that way. 09:55 They look at people the same way. 09:56 So you're saying that is it possible that maybe 09:59 you can be a perfectionist about your own home 10:01 but not be, not be bothered at all about somebody else's, 10:05 would that still make you a perfectionist? 10:06 Yeah, I think that's remotely possible, but-- 10:10 and if or you may be you just achieved 10:12 some spiritual victory in that regard. 10:15 But typically my perfectionistic mind 10:22 tends to edit everything I see every word I see, 10:29 many of the words that I hear. 10:31 And certainly people and circumstances. 10:35 See, I know that, the reason I ask that question 10:38 because I am accused being a perfectionistic 10:40 about my house, about my housekeeping. Yes. 10:42 And but I can walk into somebody else's house 10:45 that's a total wreck, 10:46 it don't bother me at all. Oh, that's great. 10:48 If I'm not responsible for the dirt, 10:50 it doesn't bother me. 10:52 There's no reflection on you? 10:53 And I'm not a perfectionist about my office 10:55 that's for certain, because out of sight, 10:58 out of mind with me so I've got little piles of things 11:00 here and there, by the time that would drive me nuts. 11:02 Right, right. So okay let's look at. 11:04 So you're a selective perfectionist? 11:06 I guess. I hate to even confess that on the air. 11:11 Okay, so what you're saying is a true perfectionist 11:15 then would be critical of others in there. 11:18 Very possibly, you would be 11:19 the exceptional rule in my mind. 11:21 Okay. But I really consider myself 11:24 a perfectionist other than in that little area. 11:26 You're just a social. 11:28 I just need an impeccable house, you know. 11:32 The point is that a perfectionist 11:34 literally determines value on the basis 11:38 of a high quality performance. 11:40 And if he performs less than up 11:42 to his own expectations he may, 11:46 he may go to the extreme of thinking he needs to go die, 11:49 he's gonna kill himself, you know. 11:52 I've known perfectionists and I've been 11:56 very, very close to this myself where if I, 11:58 if my performance was just average 12:01 I really thought that I didn't deserved to live. 12:04 Oh, mercy. 12:05 And that, that I know that is very, very, very sick. 12:09 Yes. You know. 12:10 Well, and that's, it's wonderful that you had, 12:14 that the Lord opened up this opportunity for you 12:17 and your husband, I mean, your husband was a pastor 12:19 he was at the conference, he taught at Andrews. 12:21 Right. For you to have 35 years to work 12:26 with these people and to workout 12:27 some of these things in your own life, isn't that right? 12:31 I often wonder how I would have ever come to understand 12:35 these things and recognize them in myself 12:39 if I had been privileged to spend so much time talking 12:42 with people who suffer from alcoholism and drug dependency 12:46 and I could see those parallels 12:47 and I had to own them personally. 12:50 I had to get down off the higher rungs of the ladder 12:53 you know, I'm just-- and I didn't have to pretend 12:56 to be come one of them. I was one of them. 12:59 Amen. So you said early that someone that you knew, 13:03 you mentioned to me before the program began, 13:05 that there were someone who inspired a woman 13:08 who was working on her doctorate, 13:09 would you share that? Oh yeah. 13:11 She a friend-- a good friend said that, 13:15 she had been a high performer all of her life, 13:17 pretty much addicted to getting As 13:19 and being the top of the class and so on. 13:21 But she, I would say, was mature enough by the time 13:24 she started working on her doctorate, 13:26 that she decided that she was just gonna do 13:28 as little as possible to get that degree. 13:30 Now I'm sure that was still a good planning. 13:32 You know, but she didn't drive herself to be the top 13:37 of the class anymore and she was determined that 13:40 she would just enjoy her studies 13:42 and get average grades. Amen. 13:45 And be a normal human being for a change. 13:48 I thought that was a extremely, I just, 13:52 I aspire to that kind of change in my own attitude 13:56 when I heard to her speech. 13:57 I've spoken with a lot of employers who said that 14:00 if they get candidates who are looking for jobs there, 14:06 that they will actually overlook the ones 14:10 who make straight As, 14:11 because they figure they're not balanced. 14:13 They'll go for the people 14:14 with the average grades thinking-- 14:15 Actually Bryan Robinson, who's done a lot of research 14:17 on workaholism has been able to satisfy my mind on the fact 14:25 that workaholics do not achieve more 14:28 and perfectionists do not achieve more, 14:30 they actually achieve less than the average person. 14:33 But yet somehow still looks like we're getting a lot done 14:36 and we're doing it so well that, 14:39 you know, employers love. 14:40 But it would seem to me that if you are 14:42 a true perfectionist and have these character flaws, 14:45 it would be difficult to recognize that in your self. 14:49 Oh, absolutely. 14:51 Because you would probably be very defensive 14:53 thinking that you're doing so much. 14:55 So how are some of the ways, 14:56 I think you included in your book, 15:00 how to overcome the perfectionist. 15:05 Oh, do want the tongue and cheek ones that I did? 15:08 Yes. Oh sure. Please give me the tongue and cheek. 15:09 I'll be happy to share that. 15:11 And this comes from your book 15:13 "Hooked On Unhappiness," right? 15:14 Yes. The reason that perfectionism is, 15:18 I focused on that in this book, 15:19 is that it links up with misery addiction, yes. 15:25 I may had, it may be a leap for someone 15:28 so let me explain what I mean. 15:31 If I place unrealistic demands for perfection on myself, 15:34 then whenever I fall short 15:36 I get be self critical and miserable. See. 15:39 So I think that perfectionism 15:41 and misery addiction can go hand in hand. 15:44 Perfectionism and negaholism can go very much hand in hand. 15:47 And how painful it must be to have any, 15:49 not only for you but if you are truly, 15:53 if you're the kind of person who demands perfection 15:56 from someone else. 15:57 How painful for a child to grow up having someone, 16:03 the expectation of their parent, right. 16:05 That they must be perfect. 16:07 You know, I believe. 16:08 I was thinking as you were speaking right now, 16:11 perfectionists are the loneliest people in the world. 16:15 Because it's difficult be in the company of a perfectionist 16:19 who's obsessed with perfection I, 16:22 the average person would feel less than 16:25 and feel inadequate in the presence of a perfectionist. 16:28 And, you know, sometimes your parent 16:30 doesn't have to be, parents can convey 16:32 that to a child or not. That's right. 16:34 I'll share my own personal testimony here 16:36 as that I grow up where there was a very disparaging 16:42 and quite a differentiation between the way my sister 16:45 and I were treated. 16:47 And my family demanded perfection from me. Yes. 16:50 If I got anything less than straight A's, 16:52 they were gonna be totally disappointed. 16:54 If I did anything less than perfect 16:56 it was never good enough. 16:58 I mean, they expected it to be perfect 17:00 so I didn't get accolades when it was perfect, 17:02 if it was less than perfect I got the criticism. 17:04 Absolutely. So you grow up with this, 17:07 and it's a very confusing thing because you just don't 17:10 feel like you're accepted for yourself, 17:12 you're afraid to be less than perfect, that's right. 17:14 So it makes you kind of-- for my own situation 17:20 it made me afraid of relationships because 17:23 I was so afraid somebody was gonna 17:25 find out it wasn't perfect. 17:26 Oh, yes. Well, I think that in our early recovery 17:30 from perfectionism. 17:35 We strived for some kind of abstinence, 17:40 and that's where I am coming from in this passage in 17:43 "Hooked On Unhappiness" where I'm talking about 17:45 pursuit of imperfection. Okay. 17:47 And that would constitute abstinence. 17:50 So some of other things that I have done 17:52 and actually enjoyed doing at a given point, 17:55 in pursuing imperfection, is to stop managing my image. 18:00 What the, what the abstinence from perfectionism 18:04 requires that we kind of drop our phony facade 18:07 and accept the fact that we are perfectly imperfect. 18:10 In our lives we need to learn to celebrate 18:12 progress not perfection. 18:15 Occasionally it's good do the minimum 18:18 put less than the usual amount of effort 18:20 into achieving a goal. 18:22 Now this one would be hard for me. 18:23 That's I was gonna say, that's gonna be. Yeah. 18:24 Easier as you get older. Oh, yeah, yeah. 18:28 And then just for fun, "Wear mismatched 18:30 or stained clothing without apologizing or explaining." 18:33 That would be the most difficult for me, I think. 18:35 Yeah. And that gets easier as you get older too. 18:38 Now, you know, drop a little something on your shirt. 18:41 Well, I can wear, and I do wear. 18:43 I mean, sometimes I show up 18:45 in some interesting things to social events, 18:47 but I will apologize. 18:49 Right, yeah. To do it without apology. 18:52 We have to, in our recovery, in our abstinence 18:57 "Drop the take-charge persona 18:59 and let someone else be in charge. 19:03 Ask for and accept help frequently. 19:06 If at first you see don't succeed, don't try again." 19:10 And that's when someone is trying to abstain 19:12 from being a perfectionist, this is the advice. 19:14 Right, yeah. 19:15 Because we're certainly not telling you-- 19:17 everyone if you don't succeed the first time, 19:19 don't try again. Right, right. 19:21 And for most of us perfectionists, 19:23 it's music to people's ears when we say, 19:27 I don't know, I'm not sure, or I'd rather not. 19:31 That's music to their ears. 19:33 And above all, in the words of Veronique Vienne, 19:35 author of the little book called, 19:36 The Art of Imperfection. 19:38 "If you fail to do well in something, 19:42 don't act surprised." 19:45 That's cute, that's cute. 19:47 So the perfectionist is somebody 19:51 who really is bound, aren't they? 19:53 Oh, they are prisoners to their addiction, okay. 20:00 Let's talk about workaholism because that's another one 20:03 of those that we briefly touched on last time 20:07 and we didn't get into enough detail 20:09 and people wanted to know, am I really a workaholic. 20:12 Right, right. So what are some of the defining 20:15 characteristics of being workaholic? 20:18 First of all using your work 20:19 as your sole source of meaning identity, and value. Right. 20:24 In workaholics anonymous, we also talk about the fact 20:28 that workaholics tend to think about their work 20:30 when they're not at work. 20:35 They find in their work their main source of satisfaction, 20:39 they tend to take work with them on vacations, 20:42 they are-- in their daily lives they focus on projects 20:47 instead of people. 20:50 What I often confessed to my clients is that 20:52 if I'm working on a project 20:54 and somebody comes to my office door, 20:58 it's kind like they like, if you were to try to-- 21:01 if you were to come between an alcoholic and his bottle, 21:04 you know, If you were to come between 21:06 an alcoholic and his bottle, he would mow you down 21:08 to get to his bottle. 21:10 Well, if somebody comes between me and a project 21:12 that I'm working on, I'll unconsciously be rude, 21:17 I'll get that, you know, 21:18 that forbidding look on my face 21:20 I think they'll knock on my office door 21:22 and I'll say yes and invite them to come in. 21:24 But I'm sure they can tell that I'm poised 21:27 to get back to my work, 21:28 to get back to my computer or whatever. 21:31 I can identify with that to some degree. 21:34 How do you, how do you know if that's 21:37 a healthy or an unhealthy thing, 21:38 because if you are on a deadline and, 21:41 you know, if you have constant interruption 21:45 you're not gonna meet that deadline. 21:48 How do you know when you're being, 21:52 like I consider myself very people oriented, 21:55 but when it's time to be project oriented 21:57 I become project oriented. 21:59 How do you know where you're crossing a line 22:02 or if it's really a problem? 22:07 That's a great question. 22:08 I don't know that I can fully answer it, 22:11 but I suspect that it has a great deal to do with 22:15 am I willing to disregard a person 22:19 in order to get a project done. 22:21 Now it maybe that I need to set 22:22 a certain boundary and say, I am so glad you are here 22:25 I would love to be able to talk with you 22:27 I can't take the time right now let's do lunch tomorrow. 22:31 But surely no matter 22:33 how driven we are to accomplish a goal 22:36 we can take a moment out to be gentle 22:38 and courteous, you know-- Okay. 22:40 And outgoing to a person, instead of all that, 22:43 being so up tight, you know. All right. 22:45 I think that's the best I can do for you. 22:47 That's a good answer. 22:48 Okay, so what are some of other characteristics 22:51 of workaholics? 22:53 Multitasking. Okay. 22:55 You know, workaholics love it when they've got 22:58 all kinds of engines running at the same time. 23:02 You know, a workaholic housekeeper for example 23:04 if she's got the washer and the dryer and the dishwasher 23:06 and the vacuum cleaner, all humming at the same time. 23:10 Or a workaholic office. Isn't that just deficiency. 23:12 Well, but the whole thing of multitasking, okay. 23:17 Doing two things at once, you know, 23:20 when I really hit bottom in my workaholism 23:22 I would actually read while I was driving a car 23:25 not listen to tapes, not listen to tapes, read. 23:29 How dangerous you were. Right, yeah. 23:31 I recently read a study on multitasking, 23:35 that's why they didn't call it workaholism 23:36 but on multitasking, and they this was a lengthy study, 23:41 was about a four year study. 23:43 And they had determined that multitaskers 23:46 get less done than those who don't multitask. 23:49 Right, right-- 23:51 And, you know, I think the whole harried, 23:54 hurried aura of workaholic 23:57 is very felt by the people around them. Yes, yes. 24:00 And we don't enjoy being in the company people like that, 24:03 and of course I can speak to this 24:04 because I am one, you know, I am one. 24:07 So that's people who are, it's kind of lead, 24:09 follow or get out of the way, right? 24:11 Okay yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. 24:13 And other characteristics? 24:15 Workaholics bottom-line are jammed at full throttle, 24:18 they're addicted to their own adrenaline 24:21 and if you try to slow them down they actually will go 24:23 into sort of a physiological crisis of identity. Okay. 24:27 You know, if I don't have anything to do, 24:29 then who am I? 24:31 You know, I am what I do and if I don't have 24:33 anything to do then I become no one and I become nothing. 24:37 Oh, I can think of people I know who are like that. 24:40 Right, right. Very much so. 24:42 So now how this a workaholic you know, 24:45 when we-- you've worked in a Self-supporting Ministry. 24:48 And of course 3ABN is a Self-supporting Ministry, 24:51 we have a 150 people doing the work of 400. 24:54 And so everyone here has to be pretty driven 24:58 because we're always working on deadlines, 25:01 we've got more than, you know, it's just by God's grace 25:06 that we get thing everything done that we do get done. 25:09 How do you take someone who is that workaholic personality 25:16 and put them in an environment like this and then say, 25:19 now it's time for you to be healed. 25:22 Right. I think the only thing we can do, 25:25 if we want to recover from workaholism is began 25:28 with abstinence and that means setting boundaries 25:31 to contain ourselves within a normal work hour. 25:35 For example, I had to make the commitment 25:39 to work only eight hours a day. I see. 25:41 You know, so we-- and then 25:43 we have to get support for that we'll do-- 25:45 I think get something other interest 25:47 outside of work right. Yes, yes. 25:49 Now we're almost out of time 25:51 I can't believe it has gonna by so rapidly, Carol. 25:54 But what are some appropriate interventions, 25:56 if someone is watching and says, 25:58 it's not me but I see this is my wife or this is my husband. 26:02 How do you intervene in this? 26:07 It's almost impossible to intervene 26:11 without some kind of professional help. Okay. 26:14 So a professional assessment is highly recommended 26:17 and then following that up with recommendations 26:22 for pursuing the appropriate kind of therapy 26:25 or treatment and so on. 26:28 Okay, so basically you want to if you have particularly say 26:33 a family history of alcoholism or drug addiction 26:38 that would be a big exclamation mark 26:42 a red flag is what I'm looking for-- 26:43 Big red flag? A big red flag, 26:45 and then you probably it almost people listen 26:49 to what others are saying about you. Absolutely. 26:51 You know, because sometimes people 26:53 we just don't see in ourselves, that's right. 26:55 They can go get professional assessment 26:57 you don't have to may be somebody 26:58 is just being critical, 26:59 but go get the professional assessment. 27:01 Yeah, an objective opinion. 27:02 And when if it is diagnose, then usually the professionals 27:06 going to give you a list of things to do 27:10 and you should try to follow that list 27:11 and may be even get into a support group. Amen. 27:14 Right, right Workaholics Anonymous. 27:16 Okay. Was a big help to me. 27:18 Wonderful, you know, you would been 27:19 such a delightful guest. 27:20 We're so glad that you came to 3ABN to share 27:23 your the life experiences and what the Lord has taught 27:28 you through others that you have helped. 27:30 So thank you so much for being with us again, Carol. 27:32 My pleasure. Okay. 27:34 Now for those of you at home I hope that 27:37 this has filled that need that you were requesting 27:40 and that you see more clearly the detrimental parts 27:44 or areas of being a workaholic or being that perfectionist 27:49 that you actually hurting yourself usually 27:52 you're hurting your relationship with the Lord, 27:54 and you are can be hurting those who are closest to you. 27:58 So we pray that God will, 28:01 as He says in Psalm 129 verse 4, 28:04 "cut you free from the cord of the wicked 28:06 that's binding you." 28:07 Thanks for tuning in today. Bye-bye. |
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